5-valve per cylinder isn't from Toyota, it was joint develop mainly with Yamaha.

Btw, 5-valve per cylinder already in racing engine some time ago before 4AGE using it. But the pros for 5-valve cylinder doesn't give much advantage over 4-valve relative to the complexity introduced to the engine. That's why most racing engine now still settle for 4-valve cylinder.

Not really. You buy foreign cars which already imposed some hefty amount of taxes to the Government. And the government supported Proton do get benefits from it. But no one in public knows how much help do they received from the Government.



Did you dyno it? Or just simply said it out just like the Proton brochures shown to us. Scan your dyno page and show to all of us if you dare and prove us dead wrong. Otherwise it is just another baseless assumption.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: May 16 2006, 02:16 PM

That good. I'm eager on that chart. I found it weird since that engine were able to tune towards near flat torque curve (an advantage), I wonder why Proton not doing that as factory default, instead of the less practicle setting (or is it they already did that on newer batches?)

Without the graph, from the time being, the flat torque curve remains a myth. And I think it shouldn't be used as fact for the moment.

Regardlessly, should Proton slap on a supercharger on Gen2, I think it might reach some sweet spot and bring in some more enthusiasts, an interesting scenario (Gen2 vs GTi) in our local motorsport.

Here's the torque/power graph from Gen2. Source: http://www.geocities.com/robyndigital/charts.htm






The red line is claimed to be the stock before modding.
The green line is after modded to have better performance and wider torque curve.



From the chart, the stock Gen2 torque curve is terribly in the wrong range.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: May 19 2006, 01:12 PM

Please refer to the source. I'm not the owner of the charts and car.

I won't be owning any Proton unless there won't be any more comment on cheap plastic, power window, door knob and its overal quality as a comfortable reliable practical car. And I don't need any high-revving engine or racing kind of turning corner.

So the engine generate more heat and need careful cooling. Btw, how much is the total cost for all the changes, tuning and flushing?


You mean this only for the Hi-Line version? I mean, is the Campro engine differs with the Hi-Line and standard version?

As of your claim, I think every engine do have VIM afterall.

So Campro engine looks like a plain vanilla 16-valve DOHC but with high water temperature.

One word - dangerous.

You need a 2nd hand Honda City iDSI

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 9 2006, 11:22 AM

1.5L vs 1.6L but 1.6L win the 1.5L?

Most likely you might spend more repair cost on new Waja than a used City iDSI.


Anyway, with Waja body and Campro characteristic, anybody try that before? How zippy it goes?

Honda City has max torque 131Nm at 2700rpm,
Campro has its torque 107Nm at 3000rpm, max torque 129Nm at 4600rpm (from chart).


This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 9 2006, 06:43 PM

CPS are suppose to be like VTEC, the cam profiling as in cam lifting. VVTi are cam phasing, but still absent in current Campro. There are report saying Volvo used it (the Lotus Campro engine with Campro)? But I really have hard time googling for it. Anyone have links?

And VIM are suppose to be like TVIS of 4AGE in which Toyota later get rid of it on its latest generations.




Reality is that all the real-life Proton Campro engine (fitted in Gen2 and Waja) shows mediocre torque in the low-end which is entire against the claim in the Proton site. Until Proton does have it, it is just brochure grade information.

*repeated post*

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 16 2006, 02:02 PM

Maybe your lil bro rev cut or limit cut that evo7 just in case you just don't know how to control and trash his baby.


As a lil bro, maybe he also give face to you, "cheh this challenge is unfair everybody already know waja cannot win dc5 so i giv my bro hi little bit let him win".

You try going 20km/h. And I do 80km/h. See who have better FC.



That's not the point here. The point is, given the same driving pattern, which one having lower FC.