one thing to clear it off, the engine maned as CAMPRO is because the cam profile they used is different from the normal engine (and i don't mean performance engine over here).

The engine did some very impressive figure on prototype GEN2, which is 165BHP stock and without CPS. but same as the production, the engine do equipped with VIM system. and thisfigure achieved without violating Euro 4 emmission standard.

but due to the cost problem (plotong alwaysliked to cut cost for profit...) the engine used some rather cheaper material and the horsepower is reduced to the figure shown today......

and to fully boost the ability of the campro, you need some very skilled engineer to tune the ECU up. which none exist in any Klang valley service centers.... but there's one at batu pahat.

for my Gen2, i can have my 0 to 100 kph with near to 9 sec. and this is achieved without the need to fully depress the acceletor.

CAMPRO is a good anddecent engine. for mine, the torque is maintained from range of 2000rpm to 5500rpm. I don't think any of the "normal" japanese car seen in malaysian market have the same capability.

This statement is valid for my 2005 DEC Lennox black HL manual GEN2. i do not sure the previous batch, but I have a friend with 1st batch GEN2 mentioned the same thing.

The car still exist. if I'm not mistaken, one in Lotus UK, one in Tg Malim & one in shah alam. built cost is more than RM100k if i'm not mistaken. however, the condition of the car is unknown, rumour says that the car is now used solely on technical training purposes. so i presume that they're dismantled.....

i do not know figures with CPS, but according to enginnering, the gain is 30% with CPS, you do the math.....

it's maintained "in a 80~100% margin" and it's proven on dyno.

and dear all, Campro do have the VIM.

and one more, the campro maned as campro becaouse the cam profile is different from conventional "normal" engine. although there's no CPS in there.

the same campro system is used to build lotus APX. but in 3.2 litre turbocharged. just for your info

This post has been edited by navigator: May 15 2006, 09:57 AM

yes, it revs all the way to 7200rpm. and i did it often. so?

so dude, explain to me why i got a near flat power curve on the latest batch of Gen2????

you don't see the mechanical there, you can only get it when you turn a PDT 2000 on. or a overhaul, dude.

Too much bashers and these ppl filtered out all the necessary infos for the new comer. can't you all just answer the question? why da hell must all the bashers add all the unnecessary statement? this is unethical!

This post has been edited by navigator: May 16 2006, 01:40 PM

by only reply with the necessary and neutral answer. that's the best support you can provide. not idiotic bashing to the sky.

This post has been edited by navigator: May 16 2006, 01:50 PM

oh, i do wish to, but currently i got limited access to internet since i'm at my new home and I cannot upload the chart yet. once my internet connection is restored, I'm more than willing to post it up.

so it might be a while for me to get my streamyx....

Oh, the flat curve is after a proper tuning somewhere outside the Klang valley, and I do sure I seen something on PDT2000 which resembles the VIM setting. prove me wrong my explain all the content in PDT.

Will post the chart in near future. but not now.

Why should I trade my engine out? I can't keep it myself? Your statement doesn't make any sense to me.

Oh dude, if u don't even know what PDT is, you don't even have any right to comment on the Campro.

PDT stands for Proton Diagnostic Tool which is used to check all the error logged in the ECU (and yes, Gen2 logged all the error to the ECU, including the Door Ajar sensor)

Until I have a proper conenction to internet from my house, I can hardly have any access to internet. My access to internet is very restricted and it's impossible for me to upload any attachment currently.

VTEC? oh pal, B16x series engine is designed as a performance engine in mind, while campro S4PH found in GEN2 & WAJA is designed to be a Thermal efficient, cost efficient and Green engine which exceed Euro 4 emmission standard in mind. I won't mind to tell you that Campro series design can be modified to a more powerful engine without deploying any CPS technology.

The near flat torque curve i mentioned is between 2500 to 5500rpm before the torque started to drop below 80% peak. From what I understand from proton, The result is achieved by deploying VIM and electronic throttle body control which work similar way in the Civic 2006.

I'm not bashing City, but after tried most of the cars in similar price range from 50k to 100k (as those car actually same class in terms of engine capacity and type) for nearly 2 weeks, the Gen2 wins for me for superb handing and good power on wider rpm range. the City VTEC maybe better, but the i-DSi cannot even match with the Gen2 on all these. the only thing that City surpass the Gen2 for both i-DSi and VTEC is the smooth gearbox (but again, I liked manual transmission more...) and the great turning raduis. the cabin? for me Gen2 better, as mine is dual tone colored (black & beige) quality is almost the same.

Vios? Aveo? they're all not satisfactory to me. at least the test drive unit they provide is poorly built. and I have had enough with the Toyota Fiasco previously.

yeah, FC definately i-DSi win. but.....there's better one from honda..... I've heard honda brought in Civic Hybrid which the FC is almost a kapchai's standard.

if u want good FC, Gen2 is not your choice. as the FC is not impressive enough. at least for me. But City cannot provide you a joy-of-ride like Gen2

R3 does not have the CPS ver. Campro YET. and this statement valid by the time is posted.

but 130bhp Campro with VVT might be installed on SRM. and they're planning a 1.8 Campro Turbo for SRM.

it's weird then. you're commenting on normal Ver? and um....i would have to agree that the steering feels fragile..... but the wholedashboard, door trim are well decorated. and it feels better and mode solid that the City. The city, got once i seen the panel moving when the window is winding up........

Mine is HL, using leather seat and so far anyone hoped into my ride on it also commenting the improvement made by proton.

maybe normal very is still bad?>????

This post has been edited by navigator: May 19 2006, 12:22 PM

i'm back.....as stated before.....I have limited access to internet...however i would not have anymore comment on all the bashers anymore....they just upsetting me....

Okey, for all Gen2 owners that willing to improve the engine performance via tuning (like the one shown in chart, which is somewhat similar to mine..) there's 2 place to go.

1st one is WJS Hijawan which belongs to Proton Edar, the map is shown in the website http://www.protonhijawan.com This one is FOC for tuning as long as you register as G2C member when you're there. but it's located at T.maju, near Batu pahat summit.

another one is Trend Point at pekeliling which ALSO belongs to Proton Edar. this one you need to pay RM150. Go there look for a guy named Ah Loong(except tuesday), he's the only one knows the thing. others will not know. this one need to pay more, but save the hassle to go to Bt. Pahat if you're in Klang valley.

and finally, to help the campro perform better, I recommened FULL COOLANT FLUSH which means u need to pay some RM1xx to pay all 7bottles of coolant, and you cannot add any water to radiator. coz the heat generated after tuning is incredibly hot if u use normal water + coolant solution.

and I also recommend Either Syntium 5000 or Shell Helix Ultra for each 10k service.

AND, I also recommend for a full X1-R treatment (approved and selling in all Proton Edar Service center for every service. by using X-1R, you can buy a 4ltr Engine oil and top up with it. and it's right on the optimal oil level.

if you miss any of this, you won't get the curve like the one you seen on the page before. This rule does apply to all campro engines.it might come out a bill of a Volvo service, but If you don't do it...your campro engine will not soar.

This is what Idid on my Gen2. if you all interested, can have a meet up, I got more tuned Gen2 owner which is more willing to share their joy after a proper tuning.

and I just confirmed one more thing about VIM. the VIM function is actually emulated by the electronic throttle valve. that means it's a variable intake control rather than like the Myvi's VIM, like the photo above. the part with gold color.....

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 6 2006, 08:45 PM

as i said, limited access. means i cannot upload or create data burst over here. hope you understand.

they're not premix. i've seen the coolant substance in Hijawan as I mentioned before. they have a tools to measure how mucu water is contained in the coolant. and the result from the proton coolant is "No readings".

So, your statement is not true at all. dude.

it doas not run leaner. although it's leaner from stoich burning. in fact the fuel is tuned to be richer from the original settings. they have a formula to tune which must be adhere to. not many ppl knows the formula. So, most of the forman don't know it.

I've mentioned at my previous post for where and who to look at for Campro tuning.

bashers, I sincerely hope that you can attend our gathering of Chinese Cari Gen2 Club.

all of our member's car are tuned. some even over a year. and no data loss whatsoever.

Bashers, stop posting nuts or I'll call the moderator.

No, all campro engine include Waja are the same

after tuning, 4th manual gear can hit 200kph at batu pahat summit road. tested by Hijawan's towkey..... My legs are shakin that time.... only that tiem i realized that my car is a beast.

refering to "i'm not the one driving recklessly to test my car" that's all