yup, lotus dont create engine because they r niche market. they tried once but it is a failure becoz their market is so little and it is not worth it to pay all the r&d.
BUT their technology in engine is being bought by other car company like volvo, porsche and summore tht i dunno.
variocam in porsche is technology from lotus same with cps n vim in latest volvo 3.0 engine. this cps n vim is the same proton wanna put in their campro.

the reason of not applying CPS n VIM in campro it simple. proton just cannot produce enough engine to cover up the cost back ! if they put the CPS n VIM in campro, they will be losing money every single campro engine they produce with the tech.
example,at the moment only gen 2 n waja using campro engine.
based on february report waja 1.6 is 2258 and gen2 1.6 is 1064.
roughly we take combine of waja n gen2 is 4000 unit a month.
4000 X 12 months is only 48 000 units a year.
tht simply not enough and at the moment, proton will take a long time just to recover the campro R&D money.
so do u think they will put CPS n VIM n lose more money ? unless they can put all the cars with campro. then i guess enough to recover the money back.

options... it something that proton wont do in the future for us.
they dont give us options to put airbags in the car even though oversea like UK got the options to install side airbags.
UK proton cars also got abs, ebd, traction controls. here in msia, for it to be options is also dont have. from all the talk i get from the engineers, it is all becoz of the stupid proton marketing department. they the 1 decide it.

btw, for CPS n VIM to be an options, is not a choice.
becoz in manufacturing world, there is no such thing as options coz to do some n not to do is actually losing money bigger than implement it to all the engines. and summore u must guarantee the order constant all the times.
thts y, even though proton is not selling very good, the factory still produce the car like normal becoz they will keep receiving supply. it is in the contract.

ok, for campro to be implement 1st in WAJA, im not sure about the truthfulness of this news coz there is no black n white news about it. to implement in the waja, they have to do R&D all over again.
btw, do u know why waja campro dont have airbags ? is becoz they need to do crash test again becoz the characteristic of the impact already change. n to do it need money.

ur last statement, even though if they add campro in gen2 n selling for 60k they will still lose money coz the figures of gen2 + waja campro is just not enough in the manufacturing world !!! i forgot aedi where i read but they need to sell around 200,000 cars a year with the same engine for how many years(forgot) just to recover the R&D for the engine !(i totally forgot where i got the figures but this topic hot during 1st proton implement the campro)
thats y u see the same engine is being used for a few generation of cars.

huh ?????
btw, the 5 valves per cylinder design is pioneer by bugatti.
then followed by others.

im not a basher. i can says im a proud supporter of proton but for u to says u get a flat power curve in latest gen2 engine.... is either ur engine is special made from proton or the dyno machine got something wrong.

our current campro engine doesnt come with CPS or VIM. is just a normal 4-valves DOHC engine with aggrasive camshaft. u can email proton n ask about it but if ur engine really can get flat power curve across the RPM.... u better sell back ur engine to proton with much much higher price so they can dissect it back n learn how the hell it can get flat power curve across the RPM without sumthing like CPS, VIM, VVTI, I-VTEC, Vario-Cam, Double vanos.. etc etc.

sorry if the sentence sell it back to proton at much much higher price doesnt make sense to u. let me make it simple.

to develop a technology like CPS, VIM, VVTI, I-VTEC, Double Vanos n etc etc... u need millions of RM/dollars/EURO/(billions of YEN).

so basically if u really can get flat power curve across the rpm without those technology, u have a goldmine... diamond mine more correct in ur engine !

so meaning u can sell back to proton n show the flat power curve without the techs n they willing to buy for millions also coz they can skip the R&D time and no need to add manufacturing cost.

does it make common sense now ?

fight until dunnow hen also not finish.
wait ar, i send email to proton today n they should reply to me by monday.
monday i will post the email here.
then we can know whether latest gen2 engine got VIM or CPS or got BOTH.
but highly doubt they have VIM or CPS.

i've been waiting for navigator to post his dyno chart.
where r u navigator ?

navigator been missing
hmm.....

ok guys, honest here.
i want to know who kidnap navigator ? he been missing since 19th may.
who kidnap him for the purpose of getting his Gen2 Flat Power Curve Equip With VIM ??
i know u wanna make big buck from his engine but wait for him to post his Gen2 engine flat power curve dynochart 1st lahh
hehehehehehe

where is the photo navigator ?

where is mr navigator with his VIM equip CAMPRO engine. im not here to bash to clarify with him. there is no VIM in current CAMPRO engine.
this my e-mail i sent n received from proton itself.



n Proton replied

Lameeeeee.....

see it in Proton engine... maybe some time but VIM and CPS is already in engine. in Volvo engine though, in their latest S80 3200cc engine.

no apologize for gave other wrong info that Campro engine is equip with VIM and can achieve flat power curve ??
btw, that is not the words from basher, it is the words from proton itself.

i think lotus elise should dump the old k-rover engine.
it should change to 1.6campro supercharge + turbocharge.

i think they still used the old rover engine for UK market but for US makret, they change it to toyota engine.
not right ka ?

dude, that chart we dont know what he did to the car. he might already change straight pipe, 4-2-1, extractor, better flow air filter and bla bla.
but for u, u said is just by tuning it and can achieve that.
that we cannot believe !
if u can achieve tht by tuning only, why proton dont use it ? all this time their campro engine is get bash by people in msia market or oversea market for their lack of low end torque.

supercharger is much more easier in maintanence.
summore campro engine lack of low end torque and they try to eliminate it by putting supercharger. if put turbocharger, it need time before the turbocharger kick in and usually start at 2000rpm and above. supercharger start from the lowest RPM but end early.

Dude, filter element (open pod + enclose heat shield + CAI) already can give extra 5-8HP lah ! yes, we never says campro cannot achieve high figure or flat power curve without modification but what we TOTALLY DISAGREE is u can achieve FLAT POWER CURVE by just tuning it(play with the standard ECU) !