about 2 days already....
until end of this week and see...

not even need B-series, no offence but it's really disrespect to compare legendary B-series with campro hehe...even D-series sohc vtec produce more hp than campro

just wait for the supercharged CamPro inside Waja Z? that if they supercharged it..

the power window blow faster?

Actually, i think supercharging the 1.6 is a good move. The waja needs more torque to handle its chassis. Not sure the FC increase will be justified tho.

Agreed. But sc doesn't mean higer fc right ? because vw tsi spec look low fc to me.

Well it depends though~~~right foot, driving conditions

I'm still wondering why they didn't opt for turbocharger instead.
cost vs complexity factor ?

supercharger is much more easier in maintanence.
summore campro engine lack of low end torque and they try to eliminate it by putting supercharger. if put turbocharger, it need time before the turbocharger kick in and usually start at 2000rpm and above. supercharger start from the lowest RPM but end early.

Turbo aint suited for campro I guess. It needs more low down torque for daily driving , considering Waja is a normal sedan.

I disagree. Supercharge is a more complex mechanism compared to turbocharger. Generally in maintennance terms, more parts = more hassel, and more failure potential. Therefore a turbo theoratically is much easier on maintennance. Besides, there aren't a lot of SC experts in malaysia. More turbo heads here. But you might be right if the SC is well built - they have very little dependence on other parts (turbo needs engine oil, good oil lines and so on), and thus might potentially run more reliable than conventional turbos.

still got no dyno chart ?

Guess wat ... my fren driving a Gen2 also .. i ask told him someone was debating with us .. can get flat torque . he says . his arse lar.. hahaha..
then i say hij-- dunno wat wan d... then he says .. oh .. tat tuner.. he says very famous.. but blood suckers.. i i believe nothing much he can do ..

dude, if you ever know a campro, you'll know, this chart is not done by modification!

even it is, the figure here shown can only be spark plug and filter element only! If u think I'm bluffing, Plz Visit Speedworks @ J.222 PJ, they have a complete chart on Gen2 Improvement for every modification. Currently their highest stage is Campro Turbo which so far achieved 194BHP and it's not yet fine tuned.

Now this start to question me, whenever you ppl said how expert are you all on campro, but you ppl not even know what is PDT????

If anyone can proof that the campro Throttle body is controlled by cable pulley which is what i meant mechanically, I EAT MY OWN ENGINE! else shut up plz. Mr K
The electronically i meant is Computer controlled Servo on Throttle body like the Civic 2006!!!

Ok, i start to believe this dude is bullcraping, I might go to CoE for a visit. coz this dude start to tell me that the Campro is equipped with CPS, and it's profile are changed at around 5000rpm. he shown me the PDT figure (again.....) so, I keep my word on how the shit of the VIM and SPC is happening. he had too much jargon which I don even understand. I think the best bet is go to CoE or Tg malim for a visit.

And where's the dude said that he wanna TT with me? Plz arrange it. It's not easy to call most of my member out for showdown.

sorry for multi posting, I will use up the edit button next time.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 15 2006, 07:37 AM

i went there coz i made comparison with other PE's service dealer. So far the only dude that the tuning skill is on par with Hijawan is the one i said at pekeliling. I admit he's service is blood sucking coz everytime i went there, there's sure a lot of stuff to change. but after comparison, I can say parts cost are actually almost the same. So, up to u if U wanna go, no harm for me.

Ask that dude to try his car wheel spin on 2nd gear. hahahahahaha

Dude, filter element (open pod + enclose heat shield + CAI) already can give extra 5-8HP lah ! yes, we never says campro cannot achieve high figure or flat power curve without modification but what we TOTALLY DISAGREE is u can achieve FLAT POWER CURVE by just tuning it(play with the standard ECU) !

oh, gosh...plz visit Speedworks for more detail. I'm not pro enough to explain to all the campro pros in Lowyat.net which don't even know the characteristics of modded campro.

and the dude i'm trying to argue with VIM and CPS things show me this:
http://www.proton.com/innovation/rnd/campro.php

Now i do start to think that i shouldn't waste my time here as someone just think that I'm a clown or something and make joke of me?

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 16 2006, 12:00 AM

If there is CPS, the peak power should come in at a higher RPM, as the profiles allow for better torque production at the upper RPMs.

Yes, I saw the turbo Gen2 at Speedworks myself. Not sure about cost tho...IMO they should price it below that of a GSR transplant.

CPS? Cam Profile Shifting? Hahaha, not yet in Campro lah. Not so soon. This tech was developed by Lotus. About same concept as VVTi.

Beating a B-series? Why not match it with a 4AG first? Hehehe...

BTW, the Campro is a re-engineered 4G18P engine. Nothing special but just normal run of the mill engine. Its a long stroke engine which is supposed to deliver good low end torque and fuel economy. But somehow the tuning done by PROTON makes it very good in mid range, and low range suffers. Its the same as in the Waja 4G18P. Somehow, the 4G18 from Lancer shows the same characteristics. Hahaha...

Anyway, I try not to believe figures that comes out from tuning shop. Not to say they are not credible, but I myself have my own doubts...

No need to argue over this one lah... Pointless one I tell you...

Waja's 4G18P is better at low end thus good for city driving

Again, tons of claims but nothing to back it up. I have met mechanics who once insisted that subro works. And "experts" on engines that told me to fill engine oil beyond the max point - when the engine is running. Also, I have seen automotive engineers graduating from Japan "proofing" to me that a simple exhaust tune can releast 30 horse power in my evo engine.

I'm not really surprised that navigator's mechanic is fanatically convinced that a Proton has a CPS and VIM technology within. Lots of idiots and ignorant people around here. I'm more surprised with people who refuse to face the truth and insist that these joker mechanics are right and futilely try to proof their correctness even when faced with overwhelming contradictory evidences.

Nobody here is claiming to be Campro experts. Just so that the Campro does not come with VIM and CPS is a common knowledge in almost all car mod enthusiasts (even Gen2 owners themselves), that we know when a person claim that Gen2 has VIM and CPS, its 100% safe to disproof him.

Finally, any engine can achieve high horsepower figures with mods. Don't have to go to speedworks. Go to ZTH or 4GTuners, and you can see even 4G15 hitting 160-170 horses with various mods. Not to mention 4G15s pulling 190 horses with fully race cam profiles. But then again, with all these mods, certain things are sacrificed. Some engines have terrible fuel efficiency, some have terrible low end power. This brings us back to the original argument - why did the automotive manufacturers not tune it for maximum power when the engine is capable of doing so?

Because from an automotive manufacturer's viewpoint, a good engine is a compromise between FC, Emission, Power, Torque and Reliability. Therefore they try their best to optimize the engine to shine in every area. And an engine's true worth is determined by how they can improve on one of that area without significantly sacrificing another factor. So far, Campro have not proven itself to be popular within the modding circuit (other than within those fanatical Gen2 people who even go as far to claim their Gen2 beats Skylines and Evos on the street), and there must be a reason to it. Gen2's Campro is meant for daily driving, but sucks at it in its factory form. This alone is a mistake, the first chink in its reputation.