I think u already wanted the Campro Waja so badly.. hehe
so wats the point asking question d... since u already made up ur decision, they will juz spoilt the image of a so call "good waja campro" in ur mind.

Btw, Reverb to 4000rpm .. means .. u know the RPM meter?? the one with scale 0 ~ 8 or 9 ... x 1000 one ... for campro engine .. means when the RPM reaches 4000 (that is quite high .. almost mid of the reverb) ..there u get ur maximum torque... for the normal waja .. u get the max torque at 2750 rpm .. which is good for average driving .. becoz u wont pedal all the way when u are driving slow..

You *might* save more repair costs with a new waja vs used honda city ~03 year...

but you will definitely use more petrol.

Most likely you might spend more repair cost on new Waja than a used City iDSI.


Anyway, with Waja body and Campro characteristic, anybody try that before? How zippy it goes?

Honda City has max torque 131Nm at 2700rpm,
Campro has its torque 107Nm at 3000rpm, max torque 129Nm at 4600rpm (from chart).


This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 9 2006, 06:43 PM

City -> 2700rpm -> 131Nm
Cam -> 3000rpm -> 107Nm
-> 4000rpm -> 129Nm

darn, thats weak... IdSi .. runs much smoother for city drive ..

Eh dun let the perception that the Campro is slow to respond lah, it's really over exaggerated. Take it from me who has been driving that engine for 2 years.

Also to compare the IDSI and Campro bring out the IDSI chart too please, honda's figures i can almost gurantee are not accurate, it's either inflated or measured at the flywheel not on wheel.

This post has been edited by rcracer: Jun 9 2006, 07:09 PM

campro in gen2 is sufficient for normal driving, at least that what i felt in a gen2, in real life...but proton should have put in VVT into campro engine to improve efficiency and low-end torque

I wonder whats the torque curve for my Wira 1.6~~~XD

But seriously, max torque at 4000rpm is too high.....

Would be better if Campro engine with VVT or VTC... suitable for all condition...

This post has been edited by zeustronic: Jun 10 2006, 12:06 AM

Go Dyno and let us know ..

I'm back. about the VIM thing, I do aware that there's an misleading info. I will get in touch with the mechs who told me all these things and ask him to explain this VIM stuff.

As far as I know, I do understand that the VIM works by it's practical design. but honestly I never acknowledged by the mechs where is it located, and that's why I would like to ask anyone qho knows the PDT and how the campro is tuned to explain. and why is the flat torque curve shown after tuning. but you guys never corrent all these but instead keep on said that i'm a plain cheater, con man blah blah, which makes me really upset and annoyed. Some even keep on forcing me by showing the chart which I promised to post up ONLY after i get my streamyx. What's the point again?

I'm still seeking an answer of how does an engine with no CPS & VIM achieve a flat torque curve and the 80% torque margin is maintain on a wide band. and do not saying some stupid thing like have to tune blah blah. there's a lot of cars out there can't even alter their ECU settings.

I do hope when I'm sharing something, ppl can reply with their honest and not emotionally.

Anyone are welcome to pay me a visit and there's some other owner acknowledged the mishap over here and do willing to show their joy for owning a GEN2.

Navigator, its not that they 'Do Not Wanna Correct all these'. is not that they 'Do Not Wanna Tell u why ur engine can achieve a flat torque curve after tune'....

The main point is .. no one will believe ur engine can achieve flat torque curve until ur Dyno chart is shown to us..

Basically, not one of us here believe that Cam pro can do that.. like u say, u dun have a fast line to upload ur dyno chart, its just like u telling someone u won a lottery but u dunno where the ticket is. you dont have anything to prove to us.. so u cant blame them bashing ur Cam Pro.

Well, i do agree with most of them, its juz marketing strategy by Proton... and its a plain vanila 1.6 DOHC engine.. .. find a way .. go cc pay RM2 lar.. then upload ur Dyno chart... and prove us wrong the...

i did ask him to go cc
and he dowan...
so what else we can do then ?

come on, i have heard people say campro can tapao vtec and all...
when i ask them to go up against my i-vtec, they all like no noise liao...

so ?

he is not the one who says campro is better than Vtec ..

The one who said it ... 1 word for him .. Genius.

Wah got so kua chiong bor Campro better VTEC.... I would like to see a 400m Drag test...

Dyno test not cheap leh

4G92 MIVEC also lose to Vtec in drag, and you're talking about Campro beating Vtec?? XD

This post has been edited by shinjite: Jun 10 2006, 11:25 PM

I think you're not getting my point after so many posts. You are the one who insisted that VIM exist on the Campro, and you were so sure of it that you are willing to again and again disprove claims by those who know better, even to the extend of ignoring an official reply from Proton itself.

Our point had always been simple - PROOF US WRONG. We know 100% that VIM does not exist on the campro, because unlike some of the people in FnF, we actually know where the intake manifold is, how it looks like, and how a VIM should look like. And from our observations there is nothing new on the intake manifold, just plain vanilla 1.6 DOHC EFI manifold, nothing more, nothing less. So we're extremely eager to allow you to proof us wrong (which would be a rude shock and some of us would be taking engine 101 class again), and show exactly where the VIM is hidden.

But up until now you have not replied to that matter, and kept insisting that the flat torque curve is due to campro having a VIM mechanism. So you better clear up that fact before more noobies fall prey to your misinformation (if its false) and decide to promote campro to other people as having VIM, and quoting you for that fact, thus humiliating both you and them.

So let us reduce the scope of this debate to clear up on these two things:

1) Does VIM exist in Campro?

2) Can Campro be tuned to have a flat torque curve?

Until you can answer those two questions satisfactorily and with facts and proof, I don't think anybody will take you seriously here.

its not him.... but somewhere in this forum, i swear i read before....

its some where in FnF a while back... i am searching through... there is a forumer that says campro can beat v-tec.

i think that guy who says campro is better than Vtec is just being sarcastic

no ler....
i remember the forumer say something like this....
a campro if driven by a good driver, can tapao v-tec without problem....

something like that la... exact words i not sure...

Campro can tapao VTEC.... Never heard of that b4... what bout B16B vs Campro?


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