okay, I'm not trying to argue with the CPS thingie. but if a dude (and remember that this dude is not from Hijawan) which can really prove to me that by tuning the ECU, the car can achieve a far more better performance. Who do i believe? you ppl from an IT FORUM or an ECU engineer?

and i've ask extensively this time about the CPS and VIM. he said while the VIM is controlled the Electronic throttle body and there's some special intake routings which is hidden behind the engine and can't show to me, The CPS system he showed me how does it works by showing a valve tappet extracted from a faulty campro engine.

The basic concept of the CPS is from the Lotus and the system is currently used in The Porsche's VarioCam Plus. one of the plus on this CPS system is it's simplicity compared to japanese design. The CPS engaging mechanism is just a additional ring with tappet to lock the ring into the valve when the high cam lobe is needed. and The profile is switched at between 4000rpm to 5000rpm whenever the ECU seems fit. I've done some research before i typed these in and indeed the Porsche variocam is same as the campro CPS and it's used under license of Proton/Lotus.

unfortunately, the stock ECU is not properly configured and sadly, not many techies out there knows how to deal with this because they simply do not think much about this campro engine. but some of the senior Service Advisor which attended the campro ECU Training will realized that there's some settings to properly activate the system and fine tune the throttle body settings. Some of the ECU even had a totally wrong software inside such as manual car but fitted with auto settings or vice versa. chich caused the majority critics of the underpower.

i called up the i-care center for conformation and as ulet said, they deny the CPS and VIM thing on Campro. but further interrogation on the phone prove that they do not have the necessary technical skill to answer my problem and just said: "I will get back with you on this" which I still yet to wait for an answer.

if you still think i'm bluffing, laugh your socks off and just ignore whatever i said. i will not trying to prove anything else as most of the ppl here just acted like i'm ignorant.

and I'm still waiting the PM that asking me for a ride. My fellow gen2 Clan and I am more than willing to prove that Stock Standard ECU tuned Gen2 can really shine.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 18 2006, 07:35 PM

i also just read these 18 pages and my mind is also starting to get bashed up too

This post has been edited by Da Wei: Jun 18 2006, 07:56 PM

to prove u r right or wrong is dynochart before and after hijawan tuning, thats all we ask. nothing more

First, he says he is right .. and will prove it if he got an internet line
now, he says he dun wanna prove coz everyone think he is ignorent..

Proton damn good la guys... they cant even fix a power window but then they are able to hide the VIM route from the user till cannot show them where it is!!.. Hooray!!!.. Bravo proton!! .. seems like they (proton) spend all the time R&D how to hide the VIM rather than fixing those faulty Power Windows.

I will be more than willing to show you when I had the line, but what do u guys responded? you guys just thought that I'm a mere joker?!

After numerous thread around the F&F, I've seen you all does not favour that the gen2 is in fact better than you think. I forseen that even I shown the dyno, you all will still think that it's photo chopped and whatsoever.

if you all upsetted me, why should I care for the demand anymore? Just wait until i had the line and mood to post it up. dude

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 19 2006, 09:02 PM

Case close? Potong Stim

This is interesting... Navigator, c'mon mate, show us some proof!

u thunderbird, no work to do ka? dig a very very old thread. tht fella "malu" gone aedi now u going to make him malu again... ish ish ish

today MC at home, so nothing to do. Plan to buy Waja, so looking around for campro and found this thread.

I think that guy lost his navigation, so couldn't come back here...

ehehehehe

I feel the performance for Campro is sluggish.... Tested drived a Auto 1... Still prefer Mitsu Engine...

ah the legendary navigator...
lol
until now still nothing to back his words

His last active date is 2006. I guess he is not dare to come here anymore

or maybe register a new id?

eeheheehe

kesian the fella.... he got the "semangat patriotik" in him lar...

test drive one before, manual sommore..... the power really kicks in only when it hits 3800rpm....

proton should think that the petrol price in Malaysia is cheap...

Well, the Campro engine is good.
The original question to this thread was,"is Campro engine good or not?"
Well, it gets the car moving and is decently reliable with proper maintenance.
With cam-profiling, and better low-end torque and better reliability(not saying its bad now), it will be a GREAT engine.

It is a decent engine as it is.
The 1.3 in particular is quite impressive. 94hp from 1.3. That's mighty close to Honda's 110 hp 1.5 VTEC. I'm talking about specific horsepower output BTW.

It's a good engine, but it can be better.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Mar 16 2007, 10:19 PM

that i dunno la.....

lol bro, quite a number of cars torque also around 3k - 4k range la


so u say leh?


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my torque max also at 4.88K rpm only

navigator KOed liao ah? Sad....after a lot of trash talking

Too lazy to go through 19 pages, sory.

Bt my honest opinion is Campro is nt the kind of engine for Toyota-type of ppl ie ppl who are nt into driving experience and pleasure at all. Those kind of ppl will complain "it's thirsty", "it's sluggish at low speed", "blablabla....". Sure, it's a bit slow at lower gear, bt at higher speed, it shines. My experience wit my fren's Gen2 was a nice one, for a basic engine w/o CPS/VTEC/whatever, it definitely is better than the Altis, Sentra and the old Civic 1.7 engine.

Bt bcuz my fren is an idiot, he dunno how to take care of his car. Baru 15k on the mileage, edi broke the timing belt, hv to send to shop for over a month, and by this time, as u'd expect, he's a Proton basher.

How about a challenge with 4g92 4g92mivec? or maybe B16A?

Same 1.6 group. I know Mit has Mivec and Honda has VTEC tech,

but who cares, as long as in 1.6 and u have ur own tech to boost

the engine horse power and ppl will respect.

Toyota is the most successful car company in the world. Logic would lead one to believe that they would include driving pleasure into their products, otherwise they would go bust.

If Gen2 gives a better driving experience than Toyota, then it should have even quicker throttle response at low gears, more torque, yet still shines at higher speeds. Because most driving done is city driving, who would appreciate "sluggish" performance at each junction or traffic light?

Even my friend who thrash his 10yr old car at the Sepang circuit hasn't broken his timing belt. What exactly did your friend do to break his timing belt?

An Idiot driver can break the timing belt? Totally disagree with a new car somemore. My bet would go to the "high tech" engine itself.