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K3nnYkl82
post Jun 11 2006, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jun 11 2006, 01:55 AM)
Campro can tapao VTEC.... Never heard of that b4... what bout B16B vs Campro?
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B16B also got VTEC ler..
the picture u post one .. VTEC + Turbo somemore ..

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post Jun 11 2006, 07:19 AM

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I think no need MIVEC ler, compare it with 4G93P NA first and see tongue.gif
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post Jun 11 2006, 08:00 AM

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i think lotus elise should dump the old k-rover engine.
it should change to 1.6campro supercharge + turbocharge.
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post Jun 11 2006, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(ulet @ Jun 11 2006, 09:00 AM)
i think lotus elise should dump the old k-rover engine.
it should change to 1.6campro supercharge + turbocharge.
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I think Proton WAJA & SRM will have Supercharge by Klemann... I would like see some Campro fans mod their engine with turbo or supercharge...

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post Jun 11 2006, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(ulet @ Jun 11 2006, 08:00 AM)
i think lotus elise should dump the old k-rover engine.
it should change to 1.6campro supercharge + turbocharge.
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Lotus already dumped the old rover engine and used a Toyota unit.
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post Jun 11 2006, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 10 2006, 03:36 PM)
Navigator, its not that they 'Do Not Wanna Correct all these'. is not that they 'Do Not Wanna Tell u why ur engine can achieve a flat torque curve after tune'....

The main point is .. no one will believe ur engine can achieve flat torque curve until ur Dyno chart is shown to us..  laugh.gif

Basically, not one of us here believe that Cam pro can do that.. like u say, u dun have a fast line to upload ur dyno chart, its just like u telling someone u won a lottery but u dunno where the ticket is. you dont have anything to prove to us.. so u cant blame them bashing ur Cam Pro.

Well, i do agree with most of them, its juz marketing strategy by Proton... and its a plain vanila 1.6 DOHC engine..  biggrin.gif .. find a way .. go cc pay RM2 lar.. then upload ur Dyno chart... and prove us wrong the...  tongue.gif
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but pal, someone DID shown that the tuned Campro with nearly 2000rpm flat torque curve! Even without mine?

So why still not believe?
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post Jun 11 2006, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Jun 10 2006, 07:37 PM)
i did ask him to go cc
and he dowan...
so what else we can do then ?

come on, i have heard people say campro can tapao vtec and all...
when i ask them to go up against my i-vtec, they all like no noise liao...

so ?
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Dude, did you ask me to go TT? PM me plz. I never see your any post asking me for TT.

I will try to arrange as many tuned Gen2 as possible and also some Savvy. if you all are curiuos.
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post Jun 11 2006, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 10 2006, 08:02 PM)
he is not the one who says campro is better than Vtec ..

The one who said it ... 1 word for him .. Genius.  notworthy.gif  rclxms.gif

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.........I won't say that. as I understand that VTEC is a matured technology, even new Campro with CPS will not have the same achieve as it does. Look at F22C on S-2000.....
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post Jun 11 2006, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jun 10 2006, 11:23 PM)
Dyno test not cheap leh tongue.gif

4G92 MIVEC also lose to Vtec in drag, and you're talking about Campro beating Vtec?? XD
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Dyno not expensive lah......RM90 only. it will be expensive when u use Stupid AFC to tune from Dyno..... I see Most of the P2 cars did it.
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post Jun 11 2006, 10:14 AM

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navigator, can u pls use the EDIT button instead of doin multiple posting like this??
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post Jun 11 2006, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(soggie @ Jun 10 2006, 11:31 PM)
I think you're not getting my point after so many posts. You are the one who insisted that VIM exist on the Campro, and you were so sure of it that you are willing to again and again disprove claims by those who know better, even to the extend of ignoring an official reply from Proton itself.

Our point had always been simple - PROOF US WRONG. We know 100% that VIM does not exist on the campro, because unlike some of the people in FnF, we actually know where the intake manifold is, how it looks like, and how a VIM should look like. And from our observations there is nothing new on the intake manifold, just plain vanilla 1.6 DOHC EFI manifold, nothing more, nothing less. So we're extremely eager to allow you to proof us wrong (which would be a rude shock and some of us would be taking engine 101 class again), and show exactly where the VIM is hidden.

But up until now you have not replied to that matter, and kept insisting that the flat torque curve is due to campro having a VIM mechanism. So you better clear up that fact before more noobies fall prey to your misinformation (if its false) and decide to promote campro to other people as having VIM, and quoting you for that fact, thus humiliating both you and them.

So let us reduce the scope of this debate to clear up on these two things:

1) Does VIM exist in Campro?

2) Can Campro be tuned to have a flat torque curve?

Until you can answer those two questions satisfactorily and with facts and proof, I don't think anybody will take you seriously here.
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1)I do understand the Current S4PH does not have the VIM mechanisam. But My mech assures me that By manipulating the Throttle body, it can achieve the VIM effect..... I will say it has the VIM because that dude shows me something in PDT(Proton Diagnostic tools for who don't know) that convinced me that it can do something like VIM. Which has effect on Pneumatic drag and resonance effect. I will confirm with him. But not now because he's not in KL. So, can you just let me confirm with my mech when I have the time and just halt this on comment??

2) Dude, I tot someone had shown the Dyno Chart before me?
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What the hell is this?????

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post Jun 11 2006, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jun 11 2006, 10:07 AM)
Lotus already dumped the old rover engine and used a Toyota unit.
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i think they still used the old rover engine for UK market but for US makret, they change it to toyota engine.
not right ka ?
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post Jun 11 2006, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(navigator @ Jun 11 2006, 10:16 AM)
2) Dude, I tot someone had shown the Dyno Chart before me?
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What the hell is this?????
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dude, that chart we dont know what he did to the car. he might already change straight pipe, 4-2-1, extractor, better flow air filter and bla bla.
but for u, u said is just by tuning it and can achieve that.
that we cannot believe !
if u can achieve tht by tuning only, why proton dont use it ? all this time their campro engine is get bash by people in msia market or oversea market for their lack of low end torque.
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post Jun 11 2006, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(ulet @ Jun 11 2006, 11:24 AM)
i think they still used the old rover engine for UK market but for US makret, they change it to toyota engine.
not right ka ?
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they change it already.. now with toyota's 1.8L engine..

New Models: Lotus launches lead-in Elise
09 Jun 06 15:37

Lotus is fitting the Toyota 1.8-litre engine in the Elise for the European market, replacing the previous entry-level models with the Rover K-series engine.

The Elise S features a 136bhp version of the 1.8 VVTi unit, good for 128mph and 0-60mph in 5.8 seconds. Specification is the same as for the rest of the range, though a limited-slip differential will not be on offer as an option. Prices start from just 23,995.

The Elise S goes on sale in the UK and other European countries in July, with sales in Japan following in September. It will not go to the US, however, where the 190bhp 'federal' Elise with the same engine is already available.

source: 4car

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post Jun 11 2006, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(navigator @ Jun 11 2006, 10:16 AM)
1)I do understand the Current S4PH does not have the VIM mechanisam. But My mech assures me that By manipulating the Throttle body, it can achieve the VIM effect..... I will say it has the VIM because that dude shows me something in PDT(Proton Diagnostic tools for who don't know) that convinced me that it can do something like VIM. Which has effect on Pneumatic drag and resonance effect. I will confirm with him. But not now because he's not in KL. So, can you just let me confirm with my mech when I have the time and just halt this on comment??

2) Dude, I tot someone had shown the Dyno Chart before me?
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What the hell is this?????
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My answers:

1) Firstly, if you have any faint idea about what a throttle body is, you'll understand what utterly bullcrap your mechanic just told you. And if you understand how a VIM works, you'll be even more sure of what utterly crap you've just gotten from your mechanic. A PDT is a diagnostic tool - but what does it show? Torque/HP figures? How does it get all those figures? But calculation or by real dyno runs? Please make sure of all these factors before you even begin to claim on how a throttle body can simulate a VIM effect. Because if your claim is true, then ur mechanic deserves a nobel prize for being smarter than the guys in porsche, BMW, Merz, Ferrari and other famous car makers who spend billions upon billions to create such an effect with complex mechanisms only to be pwned by a under-the-tree mechanic who can achieve it with a simple throttle body tune.

2) The dyno chart isn't yours, and who knows what other items had the person mod onto his Gen2? Please take some time, show your dyno, before you attempt to continue the debate. As I've said earlier, no matter what you attempt to proof here, if you don't have your dyno chart to back you up, its just wild claims. We'll wait for you, don't worry.
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post Jun 11 2006, 02:55 PM

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Throttle body is totally control by mechanisem ..non electronic .. except for the servo. VIM effect ... <b>WOW</b> ... ur mechanic... Genius... rclxms.gif
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post Jun 11 2006, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(navigator @ Jun 11 2006, 11:11 AM)
Dude, did you ask me to go TT? PM me plz. I never see your any post asking me for TT.

I will try to arrange as many tuned Gen2 as possible and also some Savvy. if you all are curiuos.
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i did not say it was you.... but some one else in this forum some time ago....
until now that forumer has not reply to my pm to meet up and see his almighty campro engine....
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post Jun 12 2006, 11:28 PM

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Quiet already one ?

where is the dyno chart ?
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post Jun 14 2006, 07:08 AM

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We are still waiting for the dyno chart....
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post Jun 14 2006, 09:02 AM

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Give him some time ler.

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