QUOTE(CooShyRee @ May 15 2006, 07:01 PM)
proton juz wanna show off.. they wanna tell us that they can make stuff like that.. but the prob is, y dont they, rite???
They are not patient enough.But I can wait for the real one to come,
Campro Engine Good or Not?
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May 15 2006, 07:09 PM
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May 15 2006, 07:11 PM
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Anyone, what is the meaning of KONG ?
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May 15 2006, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ May 15 2006, 06:58 PM) CamPro engine got potential, I really do think so. potential is 1 story .. the ability to build it is another story..The only problem is Proton advertised the technology too early. If they say earier that the engine was still in R&D, we wouldn't be bashing them like hell now. for me.. any 1.6 Twin cam .. engine will have a very good potential for modding .. juz that is the modded able to mod it!.. for instance... the infamous old 4AGE.. its producing 130bhp without any cam profiling or wat so ever... but for CAMpro.. the engine has been repeatedly discuss and discuss for the pass 7 years.. and yes .. we dont see any Cam profiling ability in it .. and we dont see any VIM technology in it.. |
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May 15 2006, 07:27 PM
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I really do want Proton to use Lotus very intelligently, now is the time!
They made 190 HP easily from a 1.8 Toyota unit. What if Campro have 5 valves per cylinder? When I grow up, I want to beat Proton in their game, tune the CamPro according to my taste. This post has been edited by tunertoobe: May 15 2006, 07:30 PM |
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May 15 2006, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ May 15 2006, 07:27 PM) I really do want Proton to use Lotus very intelligently, now is the time! wait till their CAMPRO really have CAm profilling then only says others ...They made 190 HP easily from a 1.8 Toyota unit. What if Campro have 5 valves per cylinder? btw, 5 valves per cylinder was develop by toyota!. hehe ..nothing to do with the lotus... lotus use toyota engine to tune and do other stuff only. |
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May 15 2006, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ May 15 2006, 07:30 PM) wait till their CAMPRO really have CAm profilling then only says others ... Ya I know but it is possbile, if not expensive. btw, 5 valves per cylinder was develop by toyota!. hehe ..nothing to do with the lotus... lotus use toyota engine to tune and do other stuff only. Imagine the free flowing air, imagine the fuel savings, imagine, the POWER!! Cam profiling initiate! |
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May 15 2006, 09:47 PM
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2 be honest, i really wanna see proton do it.. i really really wanna see proton making this engine, n i really really wanna see that it'll turn out a good engine.. despite me being not a supporter of malaysian cars, i am still a malaysian.. as a malaysian, i wanna see a malaysian car maker succeed at building cars.. i dont expect them 2 rival the germans or japans 4 that matter, i juz wanna see that we can make good cars.. its really sad actually being a car enthusiast whos a malaysian.. coz truth be told, we havent contributed anything significant in the world of motoring, apart from rebadging n coming out wit stupid stuff..
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May 15 2006, 10:01 PM
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Right on.
So stop bashing and give support! |
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May 15 2006, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ May 15 2006, 09:47 PM) 2 be honest, i really wanna see proton do it.. i really really wanna see proton making this engine, n i really really wanna see that it'll turn out a good engine.. despite me being not a supporter of malaysian cars, i am still a malaysian.. as a malaysian, i wanna see a malaysian car maker succeed at building cars.. i dont expect them 2 rival the germans or japans 4 that matter, i juz wanna see that we can make good cars.. its really sad actually being a car enthusiast whos a malaysian.. coz truth be told, we havent contributed anything significant in the world of motoring, apart from rebadging n coming out wit stupid stuff.. not that we wanna bash the protons... i myself driving 1 .. not much complaint.. its juz tat.. its okie if u admit that u can't make the camprofiling system.. and stop cheating our citizen with ur marketing strategy (i mean proton) ...well, for proton 1st ever build engine.. if they didnt name it CAMPRO.. they didnt says it will be implemented with VIM system.. if they juz name it .. proton first ever build engine.. with a 110bhp, a DOHC .. i think many ppl will appreaciate it.. the point im trying to pointout here is that.. dun think of flying when u still can't walk .. get wat i mean.. Honda didnt come out with a VTEC engine for its first engine.. so as toyota or wat so ever company... To me, proton is aiming to high .. yet .. they wanna keep their FACEs.. so they name the engine CAMPRO .. instead of the technology .. so consumer are tricked.. its a marketing strategy .. more like dishonest.. |
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May 15 2006, 10:22 PM
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hmm..at first i really dont know what is campro and vim system at all...after doing some research then i realise that this tech is indeed very good and very high potential..
seeing that proton came up with this campro engine definitly give me some kind of felling that proton has hope and chances to compete globally.. without my expectation, recently about last week i only know that there were no camshaft profiling system or VIM system in the campro engine...i felt that i was trick and i bet most people doesnt even know about this campro thingy, even some gen2 owners.. when i ask them "gen 2 engine good?" they replied "of coz la, got campro technology from lotus one what" .... seems that proton really done a good job marketing this campro..thumbs up!! |
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May 15 2006, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ May 15 2006, 10:01 PM) Right on. nope.. ill stop bashing only after its certain that they come up wit sumthin good..So stop bashing and give support! QUOTE(ntlc87 @ May 15 2006, 10:22 PM) seems that proton really done a good job marketing this campro..thumbs up!! hahahahaha.. nicely said dude, n i agree wit u totally..it seems that the only good thing they have done wit the campro is marketing it.. This post has been edited by CooShyRee: May 15 2006, 10:28 PM |
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QUOTE(ntlc87 @ May 15 2006, 10:22 PM) hmm..at first i really dont know what is campro and vim system at all...after doing some research then i realise that this tech is indeed very good and very high potential.. You'll be surprised that even the salesperson also didn't know that campro is nothing more than just a name.seeing that proton came up with this campro engine definitly give me some kind of felling that proton has hope and chances to compete globally.. without my expectation, recently about last week i only know that there were no camshaft profiling system or VIM system in the campro engine...i felt that i was trick and i bet most people doesnt even know about this campro thingy, even some gen2 owners.. when i ask them "gen 2 engine good?" they replied "of coz la, got campro technology from lotus one what" .... seems that proton really done a good job marketing this campro..thumbs up!! |
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May 15 2006, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(ntlc87 @ May 15 2006, 10:22 PM) hmm..at first i really dont know what is campro and vim system at all...after doing some research then i realise that this tech is indeed very good and very high potential.. another consumer whom felt cheated by proton's so called CAMPRO engine seeing that proton came up with this campro engine definitly give me some kind of felling that proton has hope and chances to compete globally.. without my expectation, recently about last week i only know that there were no camshaft profiling system or VIM system in the campro engine...i felt that i was trick and i bet most people doesnt even know about this campro thingy, even some gen2 owners.. when i ask them "gen 2 engine good?" they replied "of coz la, got campro technology from lotus one what" .... seems that proton really done a good job marketing this campro..thumbs up!! |
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May 15 2006, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ May 15 2006, 09:47 PM) 2 be honest, i really wanna see proton do it.. i really really wanna see proton making this engine, n i really really wanna see that it'll turn out a good engine.. despite me being not a supporter of malaysian cars, i am still a malaysian.. as a malaysian, i wanna see a malaysian car maker succeed at building cars.. i dont expect them 2 rival the germans or japans 4 that matter, i juz wanna see that we can make good cars.. its really sad actually being a car enthusiast whos a malaysian.. coz truth be told, we havent contributed anything significant in the world of motoring, apart from rebadging n coming out wit stupid stuff.. Believe me, let the current CEO Syed Zainal to do the job. I have a feeling he will deliver and not only saves proton but bringing it into a new correct direction. It's hard to reduce and repair the damage done by the ex CEO TM but, from what i see on recent Proton developments, things like looking positive. Just let Syed Zainal do his job, and we will be the judge in moments to come. |
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ May 15 2006, 11:56 PM) Believe me, let the current CEO Syed Zainal to do the job. I have a feeling he will deliver and not only saves proton but bringing it into a new correct direction. It's hard to reduce and repair the damage done by the ex CEO TM but, from what i see on recent Proton developments, things like looking positive. Just let Syed Zainal do his job, and we will be the judge in moments to come. Same here. The new CEO really looks promising. Hope he doesn't let Proton down. |
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uhmmm if not mistaken the 5 valve per cylinder head design is also not entirely developed by toyota.
design is by yamaha... that's why u see the yamaha R1 and all also using 5 valve per cylinder in their bikes... |
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QUOTE(nx7010 @ May 16 2006, 03:22 AM) uhmmm if not mistaken the 5 valve per cylinder head design is also not entirely developed by toyota. huh ????? design is by yamaha... that's why u see the yamaha R1 and all also using 5 valve per cylinder in their bikes... btw, the 5 valves per cylinder design is pioneer by bugatti. then followed by others. |
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QUOTE btw, 5 valves per cylinder was develop by toyota!. hehe ..nothing to do with the lotus... lotus use toyota engine to tune and do other stuff only. 5-valve per cylinder isn't from Toyota, it was joint develop mainly with Yamaha. Btw, 5-valve per cylinder already in racing engine some time ago before 4AGE using it. But the pros for 5-valve cylinder doesn't give much advantage over 4-valve relative to the complexity introduced to the engine. That's why most racing engine now still settle for 4-valve cylinder. |
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 15 2006, 12:48 PM) My arse. Tell me what's the "normal" cam profile, and what's the difference between it and the campro's profile. Its just a more aggressive profile, which shows because power is pathetic on the lower ranges and acceptable on the higher ranges. While everybody is targeting more torque for the normal drivers, Proton decides to go for high range powers with not many people will ever use. That's the only "genious" in the campro design. As for VIM, that's for variable intake manifold. I beg you to open the engine hood and point out where the mechanism lie. So far I only see one tube from the air intake to the intake manifold. Show me the second, shorter tube please. so dude, explain to me why i got a near flat power curve on the latest batch of Gen2????And so what if the campro system is in the APX? We'll probably never see that car in malaysia due to its braindead aluminium chassis which Proton does not have the capability to build yet. Building a huge engine is easy. Building an engine that has 100 horses/litre is not. And proton is good at NOT being able to do the second one. you don't see the mechanical there, you can only get it when you turn a PDT 2000 on. or a overhaul, dude. Too much bashers and these ppl filtered out all the necessary infos for the new comer. can't you all just answer the question? why da hell must all the bashers add all the unnecessary statement? this is unethical! This post has been edited by navigator: May 16 2006, 01:40 PM |
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