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Sky_Q
post May 30 2013, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 28 2013, 11:34 PM)
Only applies if you buy HDB, not private. There's still a lot of doubt how they will check that you don't have or sold your property overseas. No sovereign govt will release govt information on its citizens to a foreign govt (ie. information from Land Office). Especially if it's not criminal in nature.

The only possibility is if someone tips off HDB that you own a particular property in Malaysia, and HDB gets a Malaysian lawyer to do a title search for that particular property and the results show that you own the property. Using that info, HDB could then instruct you to dispose of that property and present proof.

http://www.pemudah.gov.my/documents/10124/...in+Malaysia.pdf
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what a headache..i plan to buy hdb resale but i cant do so cos i am not allowed to hold any foreign property....this strict rule is killing a lot of people..in the event if hdb found out, ur hdb may risk of being repossessed.
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QUOTE(Sky_Q @ May 30 2013, 10:50 AM)
what a headache..i plan to buy hdb resale but i cant do so cos i am not allowed to hold any foreign property....this strict rule is killing a lot of people..in the event if hdb found out, ur hdb may risk of being repossessed.

Sell off everything in Malaysia, or just risk it lor. Same thing as how PR's are not allowed to rent out whole HDB, or Singaporeans can't rent out whole unit before MOP, but so many people do that "lock one room" wayang anyway.
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ May 30 2013, 08:36 AM)
that's y all these things, said verbally must request to put them in black n white somewhere.
then u will have some proof to demand when the time comes.
else, that's the response you are gonna get

i face the same situation before, so i got them to confirm the increment stuff via email although it's not written in the offer letter
it is also stated that it's not a company policy, but they will review
fair enough, my company kept to their side of the bargain and gave me the requested increment

if you feel that the company has short changed you, it's best to leave early
if they can go back on their word on things like this, what makes you think they won't do anything worse?
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all the thing i do it in black and white only the non company policy, but when come to the not company policy issue, they can easily say after review and feel that no necessary increment needed. so far, only the initial increment issue bugged me, the rest still ok.
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post May 30 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ May 30 2013, 11:13 AM)
Sell off everything in Malaysia, or just risk it lor. Same thing as how PR's are not allowed to rent out whole HDB, or Singaporeans can't rent out whole unit before MOP, but so many people do that "lock one room" wayang anyway.
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One can always transfer the name to a family member.
I know my friends do it that way.
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post May 30 2013, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(yhoong12 @ May 30 2013, 11:19 AM)
all the thing i do it in black and white only the non company policy, but when come to the not company policy issue, they can easily say after review and feel that no necessary increment needed. so far, only the initial increment issue bugged me, the rest still ok.
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if they say so, then it's your choice to stay or to leave
you have the option too
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post May 30 2013, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ May 30 2013, 11:23 AM)
if they say so, then it's your choice to stay or to leave
you have the option too
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Ya, you are right, but i choose to stay then i shall live with my choice and move on. rclxms.gif
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post May 30 2013, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ May 30 2013, 11:20 AM)
One can always transfer the name to a family member.
I know my friends do it that way.
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That's an option... but not 100% foolproof.

If your family member happens to be not very wise with their financial management, gambler etc... then you might one day find that there's nothing left of your house except for an apology.

It may also be not so drama... but let say you transfer to your sibling, and he/she unfortunately passes without leaving a will, then that property goes to his/her spouse... who may or may not be as straightforward as your sibling. Attitude of in-laws notwithstanding, without a will, the property will be stuck for quite a while the courts work out the details. Worse is your in-law also passes (car accident etc), then the property will be shared amongst the parents and siblings of both your sibling and your in-law. Then good luck trying to get it back.

If it were me... I'd set up a Sdn Bhd, sell the property to the company, and issue the shares back to me. Then I technically own a property company, not a property. If you want to be ultra safe... (maybe HDB's lawyer in Malaysia is conscientious enough to do both a title search AND a company search), then issue the shares to your parents or siblings and amend the M&A and AA that upon the death of a shareholder, the shares will be automatically distributed to the remaining shareholders.

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post May 30 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 11:39 AM)
That's an option... but not 100% foolproof.

If your family member happens to be not very wise with their financial management, gambler etc... then you might one day find that there's nothing left of your house except for an apology.

It may also be not so drama... but let say you transfer to your sibling, and he/she unfortunately passes without leaving a will, then that property goes to his/her spouse... who may or may not be as straightforward as your sibling. Attitude of in-laws notwithstanding, without a will, the property will be stuck for quite a while the courts work out the details. Worse is your in-law also passes (car accident etc), then the property will be shared amongst the parents and siblings of both your sibling and your in-law. Then good luck trying to get it back.

If it were me... I'd set up a Sdn Bhd, sell the property to the company, and issue the shares back to me. Then I technically own a property company, not a property. If you want to be ultra safe... (maybe HDB's lawyer in Malaysia is conscientious enough to do both a title search AND a company search), then issue the shares to your parents or siblings and amend the M&A and AA that upon the death of a shareholder, the shares will be automatically distributed to the remaining shareholders.
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ok...that nvr came into my mind at all. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post May 30 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Sky_Q @ May 30 2013, 10:50 AM)
what a headache..i plan to buy hdb resale but i cant do so cos i am not allowed to hold any foreign property....this strict rule is killing a lot of people..in the event if hdb found out, ur hdb may risk of being repossessed.
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The government is seeing that rule to help those people who intend to settle down in SG to get a HDB. If not the price will go up more with more demand in the market.

QUOTE(crazy25kid @ May 30 2013, 11:20 AM)
One can always transfer the name to a family member.
I know my friends do it that way.
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You want to fight over the house with your family members until become enemies if they suddenly turn against you because of a HDB flat? If me I will only pass it to my children or parents, then only husband and siblings.

QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 11:39 AM)
If it were me... I'd set up a Sdn Bhd, sell the property to the company, and issue the shares back to me. Then I technically own a property company, not a property. If you want to be ultra safe... (maybe HDB's lawyer in Malaysia is conscientious enough to do both a title search AND a company search), then issue the shares to your parents or siblings and amend the M&A and AA that upon the death of a shareholder, the shares will be automatically distributed to the remaining shareholders.
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This tip sounds very familiar hehehe...
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post May 30 2013, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Sky_Q @ May 30 2013, 10:50 AM)
what a headache..i plan to buy hdb resale but i cant do so cos i am not allowed to hold any foreign property....this strict rule is killing a lot of people..in the event if hdb found out, ur hdb may risk of being repossessed.
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Kekeke, must read the rules properly.. Residential property.. U still can have "commercial" properties rclxms.gif so buy residential unit with commercial title..

QUOTE(crazy25kid @ May 30 2013, 11:20 AM)
One can always transfer the name to a family member.
I know my friends do it that way.
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1 is trust.. 2nd is cost of transfer.. Rpgt?

QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 11:39 AM)
That's an option... but not 100% foolproof.

If your family member happens to be not very wise with their financial management, gambler etc... then you might one day find that there's nothing left of your house except for an apology.

It may also be not so drama... but let say you transfer to your sibling, and he/she unfortunately passes without leaving a will, then that property goes to his/her spouse... who may or may not be as straightforward as your sibling. Attitude of in-laws notwithstanding, without a will, the property will be stuck for quite a while the courts work out the details. Worse is your in-law also passes (car accident etc), then the property will be shared amongst the parents and siblings of both your sibling and your in-law. Then good luck trying to get it back.

If it were me... I'd set up a Sdn Bhd, sell the property to the company, and issue the shares back to me. Then I technically own a property company, not a property. If you want to be ultra safe... (maybe HDB's lawyer in Malaysia is conscientious enough to do both a title search AND a company search), then issue the shares to your parents or siblings and amend the M&A and AA that upon the death of a shareholder, the shares will be automatically distributed to the remaining shareholders.
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You're very right on the top part.. But as for d coy.. D cost of maintaining a coy, esp sdn bhd can be very high.. Which sometimes is more than your yield.. If u have multiple properties then it is worth it

Don't forget financing too.. Will bank finance a shell coy?
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post May 30 2013, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(RabbitS @ May 30 2013, 01:12 PM)
But as for d coy.. D cost of maintaining a coy, esp sdn bhd can be very high.. Which sometimes is more than your yield.. If u have multiple properties then it is worth it
Just annual financial statements and audit for the ROS annual return. Besides that an annual tax return. Maybe because I was from the industry... will take me about 2-3 hours to do everything except the audit (which I can get any number of friends to sign off).

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Don't forget financing too.. Will bank finance a shell coy?
With you as the personal guarantor, yes.
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post May 30 2013, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 11:39 AM)
That's an option... but not 100% foolproof.

If your family member happens to be not very wise with their financial management, gambler etc... then you might one day find that there's nothing left of your house except for an apology.

It may also be not so drama... but let say you transfer to your sibling, and he/she unfortunately passes without leaving a will, then that property goes to his/her spouse... who may or may not be as straightforward as your sibling. Attitude of in-laws notwithstanding, without a will, the property will be stuck for quite a while the courts work out the details. Worse is your in-law also passes (car accident etc), then the property will be shared amongst the parents and siblings of both your sibling and your in-law. Then good luck trying to get it back.

If it were me... I'd set up a Sdn Bhd, sell the property to the company, and issue the shares back to me. Then I technically own a property company, not a property. If you want to be ultra safe... (maybe HDB's lawyer in Malaysia is conscientious enough to do both a title search AND a company search), then issue the shares to your parents or siblings and amend the M&A and AA that upon the death of a shareholder, the shares will be automatically distributed to the remaining shareholders.
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Good idea. Will explore this. At least I have an option n no need to sell away those investment without a good gain.

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post May 30 2013, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(RabbitS @ May 30 2013, 01:12 PM)
Kekeke, must read the rules properly.. Residential property.. U still can have "commercial" properties rclxms.gif so buy residential unit with commercial title..
1 is trust.. 2nd is cost of transfer.. Rpgt?
You're very right on the top part.. But as for d coy.. D cost of maintaining a coy, esp sdn bhd can be very high.. Which sometimes is more than your yield.. If u have multiple properties then it is worth it

Don't forget financing too.. Will bank finance a shell coy?
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Yes. Residential properties n not commercial. That's also another choice by buying commercial properties instead of residential.
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post May 30 2013, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 02:10 PM)
Just annual financial statements and audit for the ROS annual return. Besides that an annual tax return. Maybe because I was from the industry... will take me about 2-3 hours to do everything except the audit (which I can get any number of friends to sign off).

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Don't forget financing too.. Will bank finance a shell coy?
With you as the personal guarantor, yes.
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Sean, sounds like you are in the financial planning / wealth management industry. I've seen this arrangement done for many HNW families - especially useful in cases where assets are to be vested to a number of beneficiaries.

QUOTE(RabbitS @ May 30 2013, 01:12 PM)
Kekeke, must read the rules properly.. Residential property.. U still can have "commercial" properties rclxms.gif so buy residential unit with commercial title..
1 is trust.. 2nd is cost of transfer.. Rpgt?
You're very right on the top part.. But as for d coy.. D cost of maintaining a coy, esp sdn bhd can be very high.. Which sometimes is more than your yield.. If u have multiple properties then it is worth it

Don't forget financing too.. Will bank finance a shell coy?
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IMHO, the cost is acceptable given the risks that it mitigates.
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QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 02:10 PM)
Just annual financial statements and audit for the ROS annual return. Besides that an annual tax return. Maybe because I was from the industry... will take me about 2-3 hours to do everything except the audit (which I can get any number of friends to sign off).

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Don't forget financing too.. Will bank finance a shell coy?
With you as the personal guarantor, yes.
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Unless it's a singapore company, then you can make it an exempt private company then u don't have to audit..
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post May 30 2013, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ May 30 2013, 02:10 PM)
Just annual financial statements and audit for the ROS annual return. Besides that an annual tax return. Maybe because I was from the industry... will take me about 2-3 hours to do everything except the audit (which I can get any number of friends to sign off).

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Don't forget financing too.. Will bank finance a shell coy?
With you as the personal guarantor, yes.
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well, according to my friend if u have multiple properties then it is worth it, if not then not... also dont forget any rental have to declare for sure.. RPGT? diff between individuals and entity?

http://incometax.my/law/RPGT_Guides.htm long read...

QUOTE(Tigerr @ May 30 2013, 02:29 PM)
Yes. Residential properties n not commercial. That's also another choice by buying commercial properties instead of residential.
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the best is to buy residential with commercial title.. but of course certain cost will be higher.. utilities.. etc etc

QUOTE(Quasi-Suave @ May 30 2013, 02:47 PM)
IMHO, the cost is acceptable given the risks that it mitigates.
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depending on how much is the cost.. sometimes significant.. havent done any research yet... maybe myr1-3k p.a.
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ May 30 2013, 05:52 PM)


Unless it's a singapore company, then you can make it an exempt private company then u don't have to audit..
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corp serv fees? hmm.gif

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Urgent... Please advise on where to collect my EP. Should I go to "Work permit service centre" at Tanjong Pagar Keppel Rd or "Employment pass service centre" at Upper Circuit Rd? HR inform me that MOM has been approved my EP application on today. Is that I must go down to sg and collect my EP within 7 working days start on the aprroved date by MOM?
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QUOTE(RabbitS @ May 30 2013, 07:18 PM)
well, according to my friend if u have multiple properties then it is worth it, if not then not... also dont forget any rental have to declare for sure.. RPGT? diff between individuals and entity?

http://incometax.my/law/RPGT_Guides.htm  long read...
Makes no difference to the decision. All this will apply equally even if you own the property personally as an individual.

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post May 30 2013, 10:02 PM

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ouch ...didnt know that roaming call so expensive ...
charge 30cents from digi per minit
another
charge 80cents from singtel per minit

learn another lesson ...izzit the same for u guys ???

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