Hi i am thinking to get one of this car. Since the price is close for this 2 model.

Any sifu can give some opinion ??

For my points of view .

Teana is larger inside but interior so so only and exterior no need to say . lol

but i am thinking of RV , FC and long term maintenance cost.

Exterior and Interior definitely madza 6 win.

but i scare of madza 6 RV and maintenance cost.

Which should i pick ?

BTW from your opinion who tested both car before which is more Comfortable ??

Thank you

Huh since you can afford in D Segment still mind the FC and RV?

If you ask us about comfort ride & quiet cabin.
I would prefer on Teana only

This post has been edited by kimsim: May 18 2013, 08:49 PM

well, concerning FC means he cares about green environment

If only can choose Between this 2, I'll take m6

Teana looks too uncle.

Both resale value are not good anyway

i dont mind about FC but i wish to have low FC on my car too.

but for TS, you should go test drive both first before asking here.

D segment RV all down very fast. so please deduct RV factor.

but comfort, nissan wins. no competition

ride and comfort i don't think M6 is comparable at all...

Exterior and Interior styling M6 is better though...

U wan the looks. mazda 6. Comfort and fc are not dat bad. But teana will be more on creature comfort and nvh. i have a mazda 6, never regretted my choice.

most of the owner wont regret with their choice. even tho they bought myvi. yeah, comfort lvl, teana will trump all its competitor (camry might be close). mazda 6 more to handling performance.

Mazda6 comes with 3 years of FREE maintenance, which includes engine oil, service parts (oil filters, etc..) & labor. 3 years, not a single cent is needed for scheduled maintenance.

Also comes with 3 years Warranty

ok..i think rv both will be around the same.

in term of FC .. i believe M6 +1

How about maintenance and spare parts cost -.- ?

how much different will be ??

for nissan u can check the service cost at their website. but mazda 3 years free maintenance sounds good.
i bet u wont regret by getting either one.
each car serve it purpose.
got one Pug 508 @my hse. one moment i love the punchy engine..one moment i was hoping that the car is comfortable as teana or camry..(508 suspension a bit firm). so cant get all in one car.

Mazda 6 will be my choice.

Why 2.5ltr compared to 2.0ltr? Should compare those of the same engine size.
If compared like this, surely I'd pick the Teana 2.5ltr no matter how uncle it looks cause in the end it will still smoke the Mazda 6 2.0! Any sedan this size is hopeless/underpowered if just driven by 2.0 N/A.
If compared the same engine size then I'd pick the Mazda 6 cause it looks better and gives better performance too, just need to downsize that oversized 19' rims!

no competition, of course the Nissan wins if u pick the correct color. The gun metal grey looks just great.

for long term reliability, both cars also known for it, so both also good

for 2nd hand value, both also the same shxtty when u wanna sell them, but the Nissan wins a bit in this department, the Mazda just doesn't cut it, u'll loose half it's value when the warranty runs out

for comfort and power, Nissan wins. if u care about comfort, there just isn't any competition.

I will take Mazda 6 anyday. Teana is a failed product in Japan. Even Japanese don't wanna buy.

but some service center's skill is damn bad, wondering are those ppl fresh grads... no experience at all.

In what sense/area does it fail? Any well known defects of it?

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: May 19 2013, 07:51 PM

Just tested the Teana 2.5L and accord 2.4 just now ..

Teana handling feel a bit heavy but very comfort and quiet inside . Honda shaggy a bit and more noise .. -.-

Wonder Teana 2.0L will be better or not in term of handling. Love the comfort and quiet.

Any trainee or freshie is supervised by a senior.

Have you tried any Mazda service center?

try Ford Mondeo 2.0 ecoboost aka turbo hehe

too bad we dun have a real mazda service center in kota kinabalu, its sharing with hyundai one. not so satisfied.

Mazda Co. can't compare with Nissan Motor Co, no matter in terms of R&D capability and engineering level (Eg: GT-R35 vs Rotary Engine). Nissan Teana wons!

cant say anything bad related to skyactive engine..still new. but yep, nissan VQ series had won best engine award for number of years.

Any Teana 2.5L V6 owner ....May i know what is the FC for City Drive 100% ??

Hi there,

Looks is subjective. To you, Mazda 6 looks better than Teana. To me, the Teana looks better than the Mazda 6. Subjective. Though it is suffice to say that the Mazda 6 looks more sporty with its fierce stance. I prefer the more elegant, composed and sedated looks of the Teana than the more sporty looks of the Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling. I think most here have said it pretty well. NIssan vehicles, Sylphy upwards, particularly the Teana, has one of the most refined, quiet and comfortable drive in comparison to the equivalent Japanese counterparts such as HOnda Accord, Mazda 6 or even Toyota Camry. Try to drive and compare yourself. If you want quiet, refined and comfortable, the Teana wins.

If you want sporty, take bends fast and furious style, 0-100km/h acceleration etc. then I would think the Mazda 6 wins. However, the Teana is no slouch, just not aimed at a more spirited driving style like the Mazda 6.

Personally it depends on what you want. A more comfortable or quiet drive, a more spirited, dynamic or sporty drive. Looks is another thing, which is subjective.

Personally I take the Teana. I dont' like the Mazda looks. To each his own.

must ask TS, which one you like better?

mazda 6 looks sexy

teana...no comments but really nice car

but mazda sc how?

cx5 is very nice

Teana only relies on thicker sound insulation, more soft touch material and leather seats to make people think its outdated engine & CVT feels refine. Also, to fit more sensitive drive plate on its drive by wire pedal to hide the sluggish feel due to smaller first few gears in its slow response obsolete CVT gearbox.

Looks wise, the vote goes to Mazda 6 inside and outside. Elegance wise, luxury wise, they all go to Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling, Mazda 6 wins. Performance and handling aren't for reckless driving but instead they are part of passive safety allowing you to swerve away from unexpected obstacles safely without losing control.

Practicality, reliability & durability all goes to Mazda 6. It's still using handbrake rather than less practical on the floor parking brake. In terms of emergency, passenger can help to pull the handbrake example, driver passed out.

Teana is narrowest D-segment, at 1795mm that is only 20mm wider than Forte and 10mm wider than Cruze? Other D-segments are all over 1820mm. They are wider outside but inside only comparable or slightly bigger than Teana because they are made with thicker frame/pillars to pass US/EU safety rating especially on side impact. Mazda needless to say in reality, they are 1 of the best in safety rating.

Maintenance wise, the CVT gearbox in Teana is expensive at RM600 with relatively short service interval of approximately 20,000km. Change ATF fluid also they have to use diagnostic tools (RM80 per use) to check gearbox condition. If go for Teana 2.5 V6, more higher maintenance as there are always 2 sets of additional item for the extra 2 cylinders. That is 2 spark plugs, 2 HT cables, 2 distributorless ports, 2 piston rings, 2 valves, etc.

FC wise, Teana lost to Mazda 6 be it 2.0L or 2.5L. Anything measurable is never subjective.

Not too sure where you got the outdated engine and slow response CVT gearbox from. At the end of the day, the Teana is still more comfortable, quiet and refined than the Mazda 6. And yes, the sound insulation on the Teana is better than the Mazda 6. The interior of the Teana is more "homely" than the one in the Mazda 6.

Yet again, I am not sure on your comment about the vote of looks going to Mazda 6 inside out, whether it's solely your own opinion or the majority of the people. For what it's worth, although the looks of the Mazda 6 is more desirable than the Teana, or it is more elegant and luxurious than the Teana, the sales of the Teana exceed the Mazda 6 by quite a margin.

Ride and handling, the Mazda 6 may have an edge, though any sane driver wouldn't rely on the passive safety features to prevent the car from losing control which results in accidents.

May I ask where did you get the idea of the Mazda 6 being more practical, reliable and durable than the Teana? Would appreciate some information to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just pure drivel on your part.

Not too sure about maintenance and FC of the Mazda 6 having and edge over the Teana, though I do think overall maintenance of the Teana may be slightly cheaper than the Mazda. Maintenance of Nissan vehicles are among the cheapest if compared to other Japanese makes. Perhaps you are referring to maintenance at specific intervals.

FC wise, don't think this would matter too much for those considering a vehicle in this class, a 2.0 or 2.5, since they won't be registering good FC anyway in comparison to a 1.6 or 1.8. Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.

I think TS should not worry about the FC on the new Teana. I am familiar with V6 engines and I can tell you...they drink fuel like a thirsty horse in a desert.

The TS may be interested to know that the next generation Teana could be launching soon. The best part, it looks much much better the the current version, a bit more like Infiniti and it will be available with 4 pot 2.0 and 2.5 engines.

Cool eh?...coool!

here's a pic for u to enjoy...



more pics at the source - 2014 Nissan Teana

Having tested the Mazda 6 and the Teana earlier, i can say that where ride and handling are concerned, Teana offers more comfort compared to the Mazda 6. I personally felt that the Mazda 6 has a more sporty feel at the expense of comfort.

One-two-Juice!

This post has been edited by MTB_King: May 22 2013, 07:11 PM

Not necessarily. A small engine forced to push a heavy weight may actually consume more fuel.

Hmm based on your experience, how many kms/ltr on average? I'd like to get some comparison as well since I'm now driving a 2.5ltr V6.

Mondeo 2.0 Ecoboost sold out liao, kena sapu habis. Fusion coming soon...

TS concern abt RV, Ford is not in his list.... but if u compare performance, driving dynamic/handling & safety features with spaces cabin...Mondeo is the way to go...

Mazda 6, need NO explanation.

sold out? u sure bro?

Hi there... what is your current Fc now ? are you always drive in city ??

So far my best is about 10.7kms/ltr combined city/highway on RON95 with daily route thru Tun Razak during evening rush hour. Not so bad for a 2.5ltr V6 with >210HP RWD car...I think. I'm now measuring it again after changing to the correct spark plug (last time was using wrong plug type) and decarbonizing.

What do you know about the word "refined" in the first place? Taking the 2.0L engine, minus the excessive soundproof insulation in Teana, it is not queiter than Mazda 6. The word refined, you only use it when comparing and old 80's or 90's tech car against a newer tech car. Teana homely or not, fact is it has narrowest width of 1795mm using boxy flat sides design with thinner pillars and frames in order to get you the similar interior width of Camry inside. This is called cost cutting and forgo the safety measure.

If you took the older Mazda 6 2008 to compare, its chassis is designed as sports sedan and its inside is much narrower due to thicker pillar/frame and more aerodyanmic side design. The newer Mazda 6 gives you interior space and also thicker pillars/frame and more aerodynamic sides. Also, less flat sides would absorb less impact from side collision.

Handling is 1 of major factor in evading accident allowing you to avoid object safely without losing control. Teana suspension setup stance is like almost flat angle and it's no better than Camry, Accord and any other D-segment without VSC and with VSC categories. Since most would go for D-segment low spec that has no VSC, that Teana handling is considered bad.

Maintenance wise, Teana CVT gearbox is high as it is the same gearbox in Sylphy. RM600 at 20,000km interval. Toyota is most reliable & durable, made simple and easy repair. Why bother to send to SC for service after warranty. Ori parts outside not expensive anyway, I could easily buy them and fix it at any trustworthy workshops run by certified engineers. Mazda is actually much more reliable than N-brand that has history of engine blown due to excessive overheating issues. When there are more and more Mazda on the road, spare part suppliers would import bulk spare parts and if Mazda SC doesn't do things well, you can still send it to proper workshops outside for normal service. Only major issues send to SC after warranty ended.

I am comparing FC between Teana 2.0 vs Mazda 6 2.0 and Teana 2.5 V6 vs Mazda 6 2.5L. Mazda won in both due to new dual SVT & GDi tech + stronger gearbox > 3.6 first gear yet lighter due to hot stamping technique. Teana gearbox tiny first gear 2,3 while reverse 1.7 are too weak to push the car from idle. Teana design put too much weight to the head with its heavy 2.5L V6 is just wasting fuel yet can't beat Sonata YF 2.4L in whatever thrill. FC only 6km/L in city driving just wanted to hear V6 sound?

This post has been edited by jayraptor: May 22 2013, 10:23 PM

What's the real (not Mazda factory claim) FC of Mazda 6 2.5ltr measured combined average city/highway from 100% full tank to at least 25% tank left? Just curious for comparison, thx.

thats what my SA told me lor, my friend wanna get one and went to my SA & that is what he was told.

@jayraptor

You stay out and support which brand of company now??

I'd though you support K5 at all.

This post has been edited by kimsim: May 23 2013, 07:42 AM

6UE5T,

Since there's no way we can get FC result here due to too new. Results from Aussies and Americans rated the Mazda 6 has slightly better FC than new Camry 2.5L dual VVTi. In down under, they rated Teana 2.5 V6 as most fuel guzzling in city driving, losing to Sonata/K5 2.4L, Camry 2.5L, older Camry 2.4L, Accord 2.4L, older Mazda 6 2.5L (rated great FC).


kimsim,

I don't stick to any brand. Which car good, I support. That's all. I never support K5 since the beginning, dislike its retro dashboard that reminds me of imported old Passat 1991 that is rarely available here back then. I prefer Sonata YF over K5. The Mazda 6 is most impressive in terms of tech and design, I give it higher practical score than Sonata/K5. Good thing about Mazda 6, Sonata and K5 is they all have split fold rear seats where I can use in case I buy something big such as from IKEA.

Teana, Sylphy, Almera all no split fold. These cars are meant for commoners (lower to mid income group) yet they don't seems to fit the requirements.

I thought you have the means to test it out yourself, only needs a couple of weeks to do it actually.

As an m6 owner, ur concern is also my concern. I choose m6 at the end. But comparing a 2.5 teana and 2.0 m6 is abit absurd. M6 will definitely win the fc. Check my siggy about the fc for my 2.0 m6

Why worried about maintainance cost. U got a free 3 yrs or 60k free service

What i scare is the maintenance cost after 3 years

Hear from SA ... madza part mostly don't have so called "OEM" much. So if all use original.

i think the price won't be low. Thats my concern.

Teana 2.5 v6 is the most fuel guzzler is expected due to low compression ratio of the engine, the theme is smooth and comfort cruiser car.

You should consider M6 2.5 since it's a bit cheaper compared to Teana, has more new technologies than Teana, and it's way better looking. Teana may have a V6 but it has a CVT tranny.

Aiyo, have enough money to consider buying such expensive cars but still thinking to buy cheaper non-ori parts?

Hahaha ..sure wat.... those r still dollars and cents ..bro ...every cents count ><

Tested the passat TSI just now ...handling damm nice ...engine very quiet also .. . Still got promotion 160+k ...

If U think of FC as ur main priority buy Viva or even better ride a kapchai, best of all Bicycle.

What is so big from IKEA that can't be fitted into Teana boot ? Anything bigger u should use the delivery service.

Wow lower income group can afford Almera, does that mean Forte EX Kosong which is at the same price category meant for lower income group like U as well ?? What do u mean commoners ? R U a Superman ?

Teana, Sylphy Almera are good car which is comfort, reliable.

But why bother now. Ckd will come in the near future. Parts will be available easily then

WHere to get new Mazda 6? I am not with the press anyway. Those cars results I got were from my own cars or by babysitting colleagues' cars who went offshore or outstation site work.

Unlike infected journalist cincai result, they could even get FC results before testing the car. My way is to drive the few cars in city traffic at similar traffic and driving style few times to get average FC reading. Rather than believing the drive plate, I prefer keeping watch on the RPM meter instead as some Japanese cars come with sensitive accelerator plate to make it feel like it's powerful to hide its underpowered flaws. Conti cars usually have less sensitive or harder accelerator pedal as it is strong enough to propel forward and they wanted you to drive safe and more towards FC.

I find cars that are really strong prefers to be humble despite it has the power. Cars that have weak torque and weak inferior smaller gears gearbox tend to have sensitive plate like having inferiority complex. Teana and Accord are actually weaker than Camry but the 2 came with more sensitive drive plate to give driver the impression that they are stronger than Camry. In real road acceleration test and torque test, the Camry actually won both tests. Anyway, the Camry 1AZ engine with 190Nm@4000rpm is getting old, time to make way for dual VVTi 3ZR-FE that is even more impressive with 194Nm@4000rpm yet save fuel.

Yeah, that's how I measure mine as well, the problem is my daily routes pass thru the Tun Razak jams, hence my FC avg might not be as good.

As for the throttle sensitivity, well that's the advantage/disadvantage of the drive-by-wire system, can be set with variability, some got more lags and some too sensitive. Can easily alter with those add-on throttle controller module anyway, so no big deal IMHO. Many cars now also already have those eco, normal, sport, even race mode settings that function to adjust the throttle input among other things.

You don't represent carbuyers and car owners, therefore you can say FC is not priority. People are comparing D-segment vs D-segment here. Are you saying those who could barely afford Japanese/Korean D-segment have lots of cash to throw around? They too are tied to loan, forking out own hard earned cash and they too need to reserve extra cash for something else. FC is indeed a concern, that is why when comes to D-segment, they have to choose the most reliable, durable, practical with proper FC.

Larger household item such as folding mattress can't fit into Teana's boot and without splitfold. However, my Forte also can fit. Your kid buy BMW bicycle, you can't fit in Teana. However, I could do so with Forte thanks to split fold. Sonata, Optima and Mazda 6 have splitfolds too, no problem with these sized household items. At least that saves us the additional shipping cost that is not even necessary.

So you are saying, these common income group people can waste cash by paying delivery service over items that are just slightly bigger but not that big? By right could fit in the car with just splitfolds.

Almera can be sold at Preve price range because P1 finds it as lower level substandard quality product that is not threatening P1 sales. Those who buy Almera are mostly those who could only afford P1 therefore, the most they push could only go for Almera. Those who could fork out 10k more would choose either Vios, Forte, Fiesta already. Mind you, when your budget at max at RM70k only, pushing further even just few thousands could drive you dry.

Have you rectify the old engine blown issue due to abnormal overheat in previous models N16, Teana, Cefiro A33? Teana, Almera, Sylphy are all missing EGR sensor that in US said to prevent engine backfire. Could it be the cause that cause engine blown issues after warranty ended from 5years onwards?

LOL, wah, really know how to bullshit lar you, from autoworld to lowyat, EGR sensor, you better get more info before bullshit at here, LOL backfire pulak LOL, N16, Teana, Cefiro abnormal overheat, hahahahaha, you better check back the topic regarding to the Cefiro and N16, there got plenty of real owner there sharing their opinion, and when is the Teana, Almera and Sylphy don't have the EGR sensor, LOL, what the hell is fellow belong to......... please him!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only you bunch said baseless. You don't even know what is EGR and where it is located. Hello, your technical department staff are related to me. Your products don't have the EGR sensor in order to cut cost, what else. You are not N-brand owners by the way, you can't even say a word right about your products.

If you read few threads here on Low Yat forum, you can find dozens of N-brand owners that mentioned abnormal overheating cases if they did not turn off the engine on time, it'll blow up the engine. You didn't know, in US, they set all their N-brand equipped with EGR ever since the many backfire incidents in Sentra '01? Ah yes, despite the many technical guides in your department, you don't even know what are those guides about.

Fyi, some car companies are starting to hire technical background veterans to become management and marketing staff. You bunch too could be next when this new trend spreads to all car companies here.

Ha ha this thread from D-Segment and now become buy "Forte" is good enought..

I think you would be consider a forte to instead of d-segment?

For most of ppls can afford in D-Segment then still care about RV & High FC...

Unless you can afford in 2nd hand older D-Segment car only...

Just funny about now become another autoworld again.

I have a hard time trying to make sense of those numbers you posted on Fuelly. The only thing I can conclude is that those numbers are good for highway. Some of the other Mazda 6 owners who have much heavier city driving has got much higher L/100km which is closer to around 10 to 11L/100km.

yawn...even potong saga 's FC s bad. Wonder bemmer and Merc owner concerned on FC and rv? Yawn.....

lol.. its hard to believe right? u are right, the fc really good at highway..
as far as im concern, 2.0s owner have good FC. i can achieve 5.xl/100km at 100% highway with max speed of 110km/hr. 100% city JB driving around 8.7l/100km.
but for 2.5, majority have average fc around 9~11l/100km for city driving but ive seen some 2.5 m6 owner do have good fc at city driving.. but not much.. STKM manage to get 6.3l/100km at 20% highway 80% trunk road

None both suck

I own neither but if given the choice, m6 for sure. It's overall package appeals to me alot more.

Teana looks more suited for 'seniors' aka uncles.

Having said this, don't compare between 2.5 and 2.0L guys... not logical baseline for comparison.

Canno afford D segment don't buy D segment loh, like u buy a Forte EX pay 9 years loan somemore want to refinancing, now end up need to keep the car for 10 years.

I am not buying BMW bicycle for my kid, BMX maybe

Why don't u PM me i'll give u special offer for Navara Truck if not enough UD Lorry sure can fit in Furniture, LOL... why u intend to buy ? Bed ?

Why should they pay another 10K extra for a smaller Vios & Fiesta ?? Almera is cheaper & bigger.

No lah i think ur brain (if u happen to have one) is about to blown.

The facts that I've posted left you speechless? Therefore you try to divert to C-segment and brought up unrelated car into this thread? Another diversion technique used by losers.

My comment clearly stating comparing D-segment vs D-segment. If I go for Mazda 6, Sonata/Optima, Camry or Accord, they all return around 9km/L light driving while in heavier city traffic at worst is 8km/L. Present day standard D-segment 8-9km/L city driving, those who buy D-segment still care about FC. Those who don't care about FC are rich tycoon that buy BMW, Merc, Lambo cash. Understand?

Whereas if you go for Teana 2.5L V6, you are getting only 6km/L, then what for you pay so much for the fuel. You talk about handling OUT, talk about build quality overall not just the insulation OUT, talk about RV sure out, talk about maintenance expensive, talk about practicality, OUT. Talk about strength, OUT also despite so big engine yet heavier than those D-segments I mentioned. Unless it's Skyline G25, then no point buying this fuel guzzling, high maintenance and narrowest cost cutting, scored lowest on safety rating and failed handling Teana. RV could end up worse than Cefiro A32/33 anytime due to less conventional car design.


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Since you bought the Sylphy with CRA2Y discount at RM107k, tell me what do you get out of it? Did you buy it because you can't afford proper Japanese C-segment such as Altis, Mazda 3, Civic, Lancer or conti VW, therefore you bought the Sylphy 2.0 with high overtrade willing to accept your poor RV N16 Sentra more than you can sell outside? If you bought Sylphy instead of Altis, therefore you get more of these cons than pros:
- Narrower than N16 Sentra inside, can't even fit 3 full size adults.
- Straight right rear seats with poor thigh support, part of your thighs are left dangling outside the oyster seats despite got legroom
- Outside also narrow, you go next to any C-segment, you are dwarfed.
- Not fuel saving after all, 8.9km/L
- Maintenance high, every 20,000km later you tell me. RM600 oops! ATF fluid change. CVT gearbox if steelbelt dislocated or moveable face worn out, you'll cry
- Handling failed, can't even perform defensive driving while cruising within safety speed limit, example on that straight highway is either 80, 90, 100 or 100km/h.
- Low practicality, any household item that is slightly bigger, you'll have to pay for transportation due to no split fold.
- First year RV drop to less than RM75k, 2 more years lower than cheaper Forte 2.0L. You can put asking price RM85k but end up no caller.

The list could go further down if you wanted to. These won't happen if you gone for Altis dual VVTi. Forte 2.0L also give you more happiness despite no effort placed by NASA.




This post has been edited by jayraptor: May 31 2013, 09:20 PM

Hey.. cool down man, what makes you so pissed off, everybody can voice up their thoughts.
Indeed your earlier reply implying that all nissan car on road should have all engine overheated/blown, while i don't think so.

My n16, pretty reliable, except the changing the crankshaft position sensor after ~12 years, still serve me well currently in 280k km mileage (no need overhaul yet.. touch wood). Run over a spare tire ~60km/h, but drive shaft still ok, just change absorber + alignment.

Nissan is targeting different league of customer, even up to the high range nissan fuga, the suspension setting focus on shock absorption/comfort, softer than other contender. For handling focus driver, they may choose other car. You miss the part that defensive driving including how well you know/control your car, e.g. keeping proper distance your car can handle/brake/speed. That is the reason why a vios turned turtle on penang bridge.
I really appreciate the n16 original soft suspension when going over bumpy/patching road, compare to forte/elentra (the damp rate is very fast), because my heart feels less shocking. I don't prefer forte because of my own preference, but i won't say forte/elantra is no good.

The curve of the body (Teana) is different from honda/camry/lexus/hyundai/kia, i feel could be a little touch from french (e.g. citroen c6), elegant.

Nissan also has different direction in engine setting (passenger car), compromise peak power to achieve better torque at lower rpm (QG series, and also current slyphy), at conservative compression ratio (lower than 10:1), only post 2004/2005 mr/hr series engine having compression ratio 10:1 and above. Lower compression ratio may translate to less sensitivity to fuel quality and less prone to reliability problem.

CVT has its advantage and I haven't heard sylphy cvt gearbox break down yet. Even torque converter auto box has its life span.

So what's the conclusion huh, TS? After reading all the moments , don't tell me u go get Camry hor.

Under Consideration .... hahahaha

I am trying to wake that kimsim up. N16 and Cefiro were the last quality cars from N-brand. When Japan phased out N-16 and Cefiro, N-brand marketing bunch here gained more freedom over the 2 products and they get to choose which part to remove.

If yours is the SG-L or earlier Sentra N16, fine as they still have ABS. Those idiots pandai2 removed the ABS from the '08 Sentra Sport SG. Want to give strong brake grip but remove ABS end up easily get wheel lock even at just 60km/h? Keeping proper distance is a must but fact is, emergency braking is required sometimes to evade unexpected obstacle such as boulder that can be spotted on middle of dark road at very last minute, etc.
- If it's old Iswara without ABS, it does not come with strong grip. The same goes to many older 80's Japanese cars.
- To prove this, you remove the ABS from Lancer fitted with 15" brake caliper, 1 slightly harder force by accident at just 60km/h could send it into wheel lock where it'll skid 5 cars distance due to strong grip.

Wonder why they stated Sentra Sport when they removed ABS in the first place? 2007 onwards, they bring in cost cutting substandard alternative Sylphy and Teana that are meant for poorer nation. Some cars are sold in Japan suited for the tax rate for the not so rich Japanese. It is not because it is good. US Altima and Sentra '07 are the actual global models that replaced our Cefiro and Sentra N16. As long as the car is made reliable, tuning to 10.5 also won't give problem.

You have only solved 1 out of the 3 things that'll cause overheat issue. However, that happens to every 1 out of 10 owners that SC always have previous victim blown engine block that was restored on standby for next victim. If N16 engine blown, they'll change the blown engine with earlier victim's engine restored and they could get the engine refitted in less than 1 week. Cost for inline4 engine RM4k+ N16 cheaper, followed by X-Trail 2.0 then X-Trail 2.5. Cefiro A33 not exceeding RM6k. Sylphy and Teana don't have temperature gauge therefore if such thing happen, they'll have to stop immediately when they see yellow warning indicator before turning red.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 1 2013, 10:58 PM

I have to agree with you on the non-ABS of the later Sentra Sport. Very surprised that it was removed from the previous versions, like suddenly going back to the late 80s-early 90s where none of the cars in this class had any ABS!

As for not having temp gauge/indicator, that's also what I hate about many recent cars! This is not just Nissan but also others like Toyota Vios & Honda City!

Come on, the name is marketing strategy. E.g. some base trim call comfort/elegance, sure not calling it cheapest trim.

Most people knows abs, but it is still depends on the driver, every system has the limit. U expect car with vcs/abs/ebd will not involve in accident? They help to control better only. By the way, by keeping proper distance, u wont need to brake so hard that activating abs/ebd. Driving beyond the car capability is problem.

Sylphy is capable of achieving good fuel consumption around 1.6 NA region (under less jam condition), not bad for a 2.0. Of course the figure is less catchy as mazda aggressive skyactiv 13:1 compression ratio. Indeed the mazda detune it for ron95 fuel.

Sylphy is comfort oriented, that some people do appreciate, tired after work, especially some bumpy part of ns highway or trunk road. And it is ok for normal drive/cruise, not doing stunt anyway.

What tcsc do is fine. As owner can opt to buy new engine and wait longer, but how many willing to spend that much?

Please keep those judgmental phrase to yourself.

@Jayraptor

How come simple simple add me in? Don't pull me into water... I am not driving Teana.. In the old timer you really can't appreciate of Cefiro that kind of comfort D-Segment car... No wonder you still stick with a little chick as name Forte.

Wanna be enjoy for ride as boss then still worry about claim as high FC Lol..

If I am you just jump into river or sea.. Human life's got how many years can be going the end..

Got money sure you will be Teana lah.. Or keep as Kia Optima that stupid suck fuel car.

How came you never offer about Optima at all & stick with a little Forte ha ha..

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 2 2013, 01:43 AM

Lets focus back to thread. No more flame.

Teana 2.5 for comfort, Mazda 6 2.0 for handling, both good car depends what buyer want, there is no absolute superior car, simple as that.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jun 2 2013, 10:33 PM

That's why if you believe him, all the road has been replace with Forte at all.

He has been repeating this nonsensical comments in AW for hundreds of times (No jokes really in hundreds), no one listen to him anymore over there, thats why he shift his craps over here in LYF.
He is indeed king of repeating, didn't he talk about this over & over again in AW, really "Sam Tok Pei". Lol...
The road r full of Forte EX only, since he said he worry the SX model push start might failed, that why he settled for cheaper EX kosong, can't tahan this joker.

Forte EX kosong comes with 16 inch stock rims still clock very poor in FC and can't imaging if he bought the SX comes with 17 inch lagi worst and maybe the history to be forte of Kia an not Nissan anymore... Lol

I think his one is the 15" steel rim

Check check dunno is 4AT or not?

Jeez guys, always when coming to comparo.. sure got fire.

Nobody should be forced or needs to agree with everyone. So just let it be. Agree to disagree k.

Hi 6UE5T,
What to do? Those local N-brand employed non-technical useless bunch to handle technical parts. So they think ABS not that important compared to Airbags so they pandai2 removed the ABS for its N16 Sports variant. That explains why you can find 1 whole stretch of crashed N16 at SC for insurance claim under certain season. It sounds weirdly coincidence but true. They all happen to hit on the front left fender/mudguard all due to wheel lock. Accident is more important than prevention is their Sports definition?

Yes, I find it CRA2Y to remove the temp gauge/indicator. Seems like carmakers hoping for more owners to blow their car engines due to late warning so that they could earn more from overhauling.


jolokia & kimsim,
My Forte EX 1.6L 4AT 2010 model came with free bodykit and 15" sports rim bought at RM75k no discount at all. Only SA giving full tank fuel + 2 bottles of mineral water. In comparison with my N16 Sentra, my colleagues' Sylphy and Latio>> the Forte has comparable FC and cheaper maintenance, so good that it is equivalent to Altis 1.6L.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 3 2013, 09:47 PM

Knn... Even saga and myvi got high FC ma! Worry so much go ride a bicycle lah. Some more enviro friendly.

In the 1st place he is very stingy person..

What we will know his forte able to claim 0.0005 cent per km? Who know...

That's why he attack here and talks a lesson for RV & Better FC at all.

From maintaining Sylphy bought in end 2008 and early 2009. Babysitting them and at the same time keep track with their owners as I intended to buy 1 back then because of their CRA2Y ad stating bravely 16km/L city driving. Technical staff said, Sylphy gearbox ATF fluid change depends on the diagnostic status reading. If it stated change, then we change ATF fluid. At that time, SC told to change ATF fluid every 20,000km so we change ATF fluid at 20,000km interval.

Both owners already disposed the crappy Sylphy due to:
- nothing close to the claim FC, can't even beat non-FL Altis 1.8 old engine despite being lighter. 8.9km/L normal city driving, 9.3km/L mild city traffic. 12km/L highway with traffic and 14km/L on smooth highway while 16km/L is never exceed highway FC.
- Handling failed, can't do basic swerve safely and stable when cruising within speed limit on that highway be it 80km/h, 100Km/h especially near the site when driving at night, might spot boulder on middle of the road and need to do emergency swerve. Sylphy has worst handling ever.
- Practicality failed big time, it's not even a C-segment in the first place. Nothing more than a B-segment with long wheelbase 2700mm. No splitfold some more. They would have bought Altis, Civic or Lancer had it not be that fake FC Claim 16km/L backed by gimmick lightfoot contest result.

Forte FC heavy bumper to bumper crawl all time 9km/L. Normal city driving 100% get 10km/L, mild city driving traffic 11.2km/L. Mixed city 60% highway 40% 12km/L. Highway only FC could get over 14km/L.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 4 2013, 08:48 PM

the first gen of honda city with cvt gear box, change fluid every 40k, causing gearbox overheat issue, then change to 20k service interval.
then the current city change to 5 speed normal gearbox......

u must be a very free person to track FC like that. Life is short la... Just enjoy your drive. Why make life so difficult?

I doubt you own a Sylphy. Most of your responses here are pretty childish, as what you've shown yourself as an immature character over on the Autoworld forum.

Maybe he kena cheated by ulu ulu kampong service centre

Luckily he have not started his 2 liters drive till engine stalled FC test, Sand bag at trunk drag test & reverse gear uphill test.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jun 5 2013, 08:48 AM

That explains about this Jayraptor. His responses seemed shallow albeit long-winded, but the facts are crap. Below are my response to him, and he followed up with more drivel which I don't bother to respond anymore. Sometimes people do tend to post rubbish on the forums. For amusement.

Wah, this jayraptor jump forum from autoworld to lowyat fnf? If you really wan to know what he commented previously in autoworld, you can refer to autoworld forum especially nissan owners forum. Every nissan car let him criticized till no value. Dunno why XD

Better keep changing on every 60k km to protect the CVT gearbox.

Hmm, Nissan actually makes many great cars: the Silvias, Fairlady Zs, and of course the mighty GTRs which is still the top dog of Japanese performance cars and technical marvel in every sense of the word, despite those geabox problems due to abuse. Those are cars that I still dream of owning one day.
Every car brand will make lemon ones and good ones, none is perfect.

Exactly, some car main purpose for family drive and leisure, no point to hard press for top speed especially those traditional CVT transmission system. If really wanted a performance CVT transmission system, may be the guy should look for those mature sport car using performance cvt like audi and porche.

always in the end TS also never comment, probably he bought a camry instead, because we all keep fighting MAzda vs Nissan. So he buy Camry no one will say anything.

If he happen to choose Camry then it's OK as Jayraptor love Camry, but if it is Accord he sure bising-bising, if Teana or the upcoming Altima then he will go