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 2013 New Teana 2.5L v6 or Madza 6 2.0 L, Which is worth to buy ?

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jayraptor
post Jul 13 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jul 7 2013, 10:35 PM)
The worst handling must be Forte since it cock screw & turn turtle in Singapore road, in Malaysia I understand, but in Singapore where most drive defensively & law obedient, as the summons cost a bomb, something dead wrong with Forte.
Leg room are very crucial particularly elder passenger get in & out, more comfort for long distance ride, long wheelbase car also more stanble on straight road,
If your laoya KIAsu car come with long wheelbase sure u talk differently one, why you hyundai openly admit it's use Nissan Sylphy as benchmark in create a cost down version Sonata exclusively for China market.
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Late reply, just came back from site. Any car that went up the ramp would end up with all sorts of flips depends on your approach angle and heading. If Singapore driving is that obedient, there won't be any accident in Singapore involving speeding in the first place. Fact is, there are many accident cases in SIngapore with some involving fatality in crash of over 160km/h, 200km/h and faster as they have many Ferrari and Lambo there.

hondafan,
Taking things personal and left out your brain?

Honda width:
C-segment - Honda Civic 1755mm
B-segment - Honda City 1715mm

Toyota width:
C-segment - Altis 1760mm
B-segment Vios 1700mm

N-brand:
C-segment Sylphy 1695mm
B-segment Latio 1695mm
cheaper alternative B-segment Almera 1695mm


Spot the BIG difference? There is serious issue here.
gangnamboleh
post Jul 25 2013, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(hondafan @ Jul 11 2013, 01:49 PM)
I don't agree about the sensitive plate at all because normal NA engine is used to behalf this way, just like most of the Japanese or even the conti also the same, but if turbo charged and super charged, then the pedal will also be different. But please don't use a NA engine compare to the Turbo charged engine and then said the Japanese give a much sensitive accelerator to make it like more power, this is not true at all.
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Ok the later is not correct then.
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post Jul 25 2013, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 01:45 PM)
Late reply, just came back from site. Any car that went up the ramp would end up with all sorts of flips depends on your approach angle and heading. If Singapore driving is that obedient, there won't be any accident in Singapore involving speeding in the first place. Fact is, there are many accident cases in SIngapore with some involving fatality in crash of over 160km/h, 200km/h and faster as they have many Ferrari and Lambo there.

hondafan,
Taking things personal and left out your brain?

Honda width:
C-segment - Honda Civic 1755mm
B-segment - Honda City 1715mm

Toyota width:
C-segment - Altis  1760mm
B-segment Vios 1700mm

N-brand:
C-segment Sylphy 1695mm
B-segment Latio 1695mm
cheaper alternative B-segment Almera 1695mm


Spot the BIG difference? There is serious issue here.
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This Cleary show ur ignorant in car design.

1.) Longer wheelbase would give better stability in straight road.
2.) Sylphy is a JDM model, it need to folow Japan road regulation, even the JDM Corrola is below 1700mm in term of width.
3.) New Sylphy already design with much wider like US Sentra.
4.) Almera which shared the same body with US Versa Sedan had already pass US crash test with flying color, listed as top safety pick of 2012 in US.
5.) Sylphy despite been older car pass Japan NCAP with 6 star, if u says Japan with give better mark for their car, r u saying Europe will cheat their own car in Euro NCAP.

U just can't take it that N brand currently at 2nd best selling non national brand, accept the fact ur K brand would never beat N brand, now ur greedy NASA try to hike their price, expect ur sales to deteriorate.
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post Jul 25 2013, 01:16 PM

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He compare from Honda, Toyota, but he didn't mention on Nissan has the most bigger legroom brows.gif

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jayraptor
post Jul 26 2013, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jul 25 2013, 12:29 PM)
This Cleary show ur ignorant in car design.

1.) Longer wheelbase would give better stability in straight road.
2.) Sylphy is a JDM model, it need to folow Japan road regulation, even the JDM Corrola is below 1700mm in term of width.
3.) New Sylphy already design with much wider like US Sentra.
4.) Almera which shared the same body with US Versa Sedan had already pass US crash test with flying color, listed as top safety pick of 2012 in US.
5.) Sylphy despite been older car pass Japan NCAP with 6 star, if u says Japan with give better mark for their car, r u saying Europe will cheat their own car in Euro NCAP.

U just can't take it that N brand currently at 2nd best selling non national brand, accept the fact ur K brand would never beat N brand, now ur greedy NASA try to hike their price, expect ur sales to deteriorate.
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Correction to your comments.

1) Longer wheelbase better stability can be found in your standard guide for salesman. To be exact, not just wheelbase alone but the width & the suspension stance together determines stability in straight road. Narrow stance/width, high ground clearance & sits higher is giving the Sylphy unstable ride.

2) Sylphy is meant for Japan local domestic market with width 1695mm to enjoy tax exemption in Japan. By right, it is not meant for export market in the first place. Toyota too has narrow 1695mm version Altis but they don't sell it outside Japan. US Sentra B16 & the Altis we have here are meant for global market passed the C-segment category.

3) New Sentra 2013 you meant is for global market. Since you don't sell it here, shut up.

4) Nissan Versa US only passed the safety rating, not scoring full star. Only some C-segment and mostly D-segment get to earn full star score on the rating as only they have the excess space for additional thickness & length to absorb the impact before reaching passenger compartment.

5) Japan NCAP, there is no strict consumer rights group that carmakers that monitor and prevent carmakers in Japan from cheating. US & EU safety rating is monitored by strict consumer rights group with legal power.

You already said the same thing when Sonata & Optima were priced on Japanese quality car price range. You can still find many on the road today. Sonata YF F/L also many. Ends up you N-brand giving huge discount that end up 10-20% cheaper than Korean & Japanese made.
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post Jul 26 2013, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2013, 09:40 PM)
Correction to your comments.

1) Longer wheelbase better stability can be found in your standard guide for salesman. To be exact, not just wheelbase alone but the width & the suspension stance together determines stability in straight road. Narrow stance/width, high ground clearance & sits higher is giving the Sylphy unstable ride.

2) Sylphy is meant for Japan local domestic market with width 1695mm to enjoy tax exemption in Japan. By right, it is not meant for export market in the first place. Toyota too has narrow 1695mm version Altis but they don't sell it outside Japan. US Sentra B16 & the Altis we have here are meant for global market passed the C-segment category.

3) New Sentra 2013 you meant is for global market. Since you don't sell it here, shut up.

4) Nissan Versa US only passed the safety rating, not scoring full star. Only some C-segment and mostly D-segment get to earn full star score on the rating as only they have the excess space for additional thickness & length to absorb the impact before reaching passenger compartment.

5) Japan NCAP, there is no strict consumer rights group that carmakers that monitor and prevent carmakers in Japan from cheating. US & EU safety rating is monitored by strict consumer rights group with legal power.

You already said the same thing when Sonata & Optima were priced on Japanese quality car price range. You can still find many on the road today. Sonata YF F/L also many. Ends up you N-brand giving huge discount that end up 10-20% cheaper than Korean & Japanese made.
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Longer wheelbase give both comfort & stabilities, something ur laoya Forte EX kosong wouldn't understand.
Isn't many JDM car available in Malaysia ? If fact many don't mind paying for recond JDM car, I seen many Toyota Axio & Mark X on the road.
Sentra is already on the way in the market & Altima too.
What a joke first u said US crash test ultra reliable then pusing said Versa Sedan aka Almera BEST SAFETY PICK OF 2012 not reliable, hahaha shots ur own foot.
Ur K5 & Sonata still need to sell below our Teana price, yet nowadays hardly see many new K5 & Facelift Sonata, nobody buy even dirt cheap.

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post Jul 26 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jul 26 2013, 09:58 PM)
Longer wheelbase give both comfort & stabilities, something ur laoya Forte EX kosong wouldn't understand.
Isn't many JDM car available in Malaysia ? If fact many don't mind paying for recond JDM car, I seen many Toyota Axio & Mark X on the road.
Sentra is already on the way in the market & Altima too.
What a joke first u said US crash test ultra reliable then pusing said Versa Sedan aka Almera BEST SAFETY PICK OF 2012 not reliable, hahaha shots ur own foot.
Ur K5 & Sonata still need to sell below our Teana price, yet nowadays hardly see many new K5 & Facelift Sonata, nobody buy even dirt cheap.
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Don't twist the fact. Do you see the Urvan has very good stability at high speed? Stability at high speed is determined by suspension stance, aerodynamic, height + adequate wheelbase length. That explains why your Sylphy floaty when crusing at 110km/h on the highway to Sepang & airport as adhered to that area speed limit.

Best pick your head. It stated that it passed but not scoring full stars. That is not flying colour fyi. FYI means maximum full stars in overall.

K5 & Sonata didn't get discount like your Teana. Teana after the RM6k-10k discount, selling price reduced from RM142k/172k down to RM132k/162k. Cheapese Sonata 2.0 low spec also need to fork out RM139k. Optima/Sonata 2.0 high spec at RM142k. So who is selling dirt cheap now? Isn't that your product? Hard to see facelift Sonata? I see many already. K5 facelift, could hardly differentiate as there is almost no change, is there even a facelift?

The new Altima 2013 & Sentra 2013, I only see them in Thailand. Over here, you bunch still refused to bring in from Thai? Why, can't earn max profit don't want to bring in? Or the production cost is too high for you due to new engine + new gearbox? Or you intended to persuade Japanese principal to let you carry forward old obsolete engine + gearbox from Sylphy?

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 26 2013, 11:35 PM

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