Teana only relies on thicker sound insulation, more soft touch material and leather seats to make people think its outdated engine & CVT feels refine. Also, to fit more sensitive drive plate on its drive by wire pedal to hide the sluggish feel due to smaller first few gears in its slow response obsolete CVT gearbox.

Looks wise, the vote goes to Mazda 6 inside and outside. Elegance wise, luxury wise, they all go to Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling, Mazda 6 wins. Performance and handling aren't for reckless driving but instead they are part of passive safety allowing you to swerve away from unexpected obstacles safely without losing control.

Practicality, reliability & durability all goes to Mazda 6. It's still using handbrake rather than less practical on the floor parking brake. In terms of emergency, passenger can help to pull the handbrake example, driver passed out.

Teana is narrowest D-segment, at 1795mm that is only 20mm wider than Forte and 10mm wider than Cruze? Other D-segments are all over 1820mm. They are wider outside but inside only comparable or slightly bigger than Teana because they are made with thicker frame/pillars to pass US/EU safety rating especially on side impact. Mazda needless to say in reality, they are 1 of the best in safety rating.

Maintenance wise, the CVT gearbox in Teana is expensive at RM600 with relatively short service interval of approximately 20,000km. Change ATF fluid also they have to use diagnostic tools (RM80 per use) to check gearbox condition. If go for Teana 2.5 V6, more higher maintenance as there are always 2 sets of additional item for the extra 2 cylinders. That is 2 spark plugs, 2 HT cables, 2 distributorless ports, 2 piston rings, 2 valves, etc.

FC wise, Teana lost to Mazda 6 be it 2.0L or 2.5L. Anything measurable is never subjective.

What do you know about the word "refined" in the first place? Taking the 2.0L engine, minus the excessive soundproof insulation in Teana, it is not queiter than Mazda 6. The word refined, you only use it when comparing and old 80's or 90's tech car against a newer tech car. Teana homely or not, fact is it has narrowest width of 1795mm using boxy flat sides design with thinner pillars and frames in order to get you the similar interior width of Camry inside. This is called cost cutting and forgo the safety measure.

If you took the older Mazda 6 2008 to compare, its chassis is designed as sports sedan and its inside is much narrower due to thicker pillar/frame and more aerodyanmic side design. The newer Mazda 6 gives you interior space and also thicker pillars/frame and more aerodynamic sides. Also, less flat sides would absorb less impact from side collision.

Handling is 1 of major factor in evading accident allowing you to avoid object safely without losing control. Teana suspension setup stance is like almost flat angle and it's no better than Camry, Accord and any other D-segment without VSC and with VSC categories. Since most would go for D-segment low spec that has no VSC, that Teana handling is considered bad.

Maintenance wise, Teana CVT gearbox is high as it is the same gearbox in Sylphy. RM600 at 20,000km interval. Toyota is most reliable & durable, made simple and easy repair. Why bother to send to SC for service after warranty. Ori parts outside not expensive anyway, I could easily buy them and fix it at any trustworthy workshops run by certified engineers. Mazda is actually much more reliable than N-brand that has history of engine blown due to excessive overheating issues. When there are more and more Mazda on the road, spare part suppliers would import bulk spare parts and if Mazda SC doesn't do things well, you can still send it to proper workshops outside for normal service. Only major issues send to SC after warranty ended.

I am comparing FC between Teana 2.0 vs Mazda 6 2.0 and Teana 2.5 V6 vs Mazda 6 2.5L. Mazda won in both due to new dual SVT & GDi tech + stronger gearbox > 3.6 first gear yet lighter due to hot stamping technique. Teana gearbox tiny first gear 2,3 while reverse 1.7 are too weak to push the car from idle. Teana design put too much weight to the head with its heavy 2.5L V6 is just wasting fuel yet can't beat Sonata YF 2.4L in whatever thrill. FC only 6km/L in city driving just wanted to hear V6 sound?

This post has been edited by jayraptor: May 22 2013, 10:23 PM

6UE5T,

Since there's no way we can get FC result here due to too new. Results from Aussies and Americans rated the Mazda 6 has slightly better FC than new Camry 2.5L dual VVTi. In down under, they rated Teana 2.5 V6 as most fuel guzzling in city driving, losing to Sonata/K5 2.4L, Camry 2.5L, older Camry 2.4L, Accord 2.4L, older Mazda 6 2.5L (rated great FC).


kimsim,

I don't stick to any brand. Which car good, I support. That's all. I never support K5 since the beginning, dislike its retro dashboard that reminds me of imported old Passat 1991 that is rarely available here back then. I prefer Sonata YF over K5. The Mazda 6 is most impressive in terms of tech and design, I give it higher practical score than Sonata/K5. Good thing about Mazda 6, Sonata and K5 is they all have split fold rear seats where I can use in case I buy something big such as from IKEA.

Teana, Sylphy, Almera all no split fold. These cars are meant for commoners (lower to mid income group) yet they don't seems to fit the requirements.

WHere to get new Mazda 6? I am not with the press anyway. Those cars results I got were from my own cars or by babysitting colleagues' cars who went offshore or outstation site work.

Unlike infected journalist cincai result, they could even get FC results before testing the car. My way is to drive the few cars in city traffic at similar traffic and driving style few times to get average FC reading. Rather than believing the drive plate, I prefer keeping watch on the RPM meter instead as some Japanese cars come with sensitive accelerator plate to make it feel like it's powerful to hide its underpowered flaws. Conti cars usually have less sensitive or harder accelerator pedal as it is strong enough to propel forward and they wanted you to drive safe and more towards FC.

I find cars that are really strong prefers to be humble despite it has the power. Cars that have weak torque and weak inferior smaller gears gearbox tend to have sensitive plate like having inferiority complex. Teana and Accord are actually weaker than Camry but the 2 came with more sensitive drive plate to give driver the impression that they are stronger than Camry. In real road acceleration test and torque test, the Camry actually won both tests. Anyway, the Camry 1AZ engine with 190Nm@4000rpm is getting old, time to make way for dual VVTi 3ZR-FE that is even more impressive with 194Nm@4000rpm yet save fuel.

You don't represent carbuyers and car owners, therefore you can say FC is not priority. People are comparing D-segment vs D-segment here. Are you saying those who could barely afford Japanese/Korean D-segment have lots of cash to throw around? They too are tied to loan, forking out own hard earned cash and they too need to reserve extra cash for something else. FC is indeed a concern, that is why when comes to D-segment, they have to choose the most reliable, durable, practical with proper FC.

Larger household item such as folding mattress can't fit into Teana's boot and without splitfold. However, my Forte also can fit. Your kid buy BMW bicycle, you can't fit in Teana. However, I could do so with Forte thanks to split fold. Sonata, Optima and Mazda 6 have splitfolds too, no problem with these sized household items. At least that saves us the additional shipping cost that is not even necessary.

So you are saying, these common income group people can waste cash by paying delivery service over items that are just slightly bigger but not that big? By right could fit in the car with just splitfolds.

Almera can be sold at Preve price range because P1 finds it as lower level substandard quality product that is not threatening P1 sales. Those who buy Almera are mostly those who could only afford P1 therefore, the most they push could only go for Almera. Those who could fork out 10k more would choose either Vios, Forte, Fiesta already. Mind you, when your budget at max at RM70k only, pushing further even just few thousands could drive you dry.

Have you rectify the old engine blown issue due to abnormal overheat in previous models N16, Teana, Cefiro A33? Teana, Almera, Sylphy are all missing EGR sensor that in US said to prevent engine backfire. Could it be the cause that cause engine blown issues after warranty ended from 5years onwards?

Only you bunch said baseless. You don't even know what is EGR and where it is located. Hello, your technical department staff are related to me. Your products don't have the EGR sensor in order to cut cost, what else. You are not N-brand owners by the way, you can't even say a word right about your products.

If you read few threads here on Low Yat forum, you can find dozens of N-brand owners that mentioned abnormal overheating cases if they did not turn off the engine on time, it'll blow up the engine. You didn't know, in US, they set all their N-brand equipped with EGR ever since the many backfire incidents in Sentra '01? Ah yes, despite the many technical guides in your department, you don't even know what are those guides about.

Fyi, some car companies are starting to hire technical background veterans to become management and marketing staff. You bunch too could be next when this new trend spreads to all car companies here.

The facts that I've posted left you speechless? Therefore you try to divert to C-segment and brought up unrelated car into this thread? Another diversion technique used by losers.

My comment clearly stating comparing D-segment vs D-segment. If I go for Mazda 6, Sonata/Optima, Camry or Accord, they all return around 9km/L light driving while in heavier city traffic at worst is 8km/L. Present day standard D-segment 8-9km/L city driving, those who buy D-segment still care about FC. Those who don't care about FC are rich tycoon that buy BMW, Merc, Lambo cash. Understand?

Whereas if you go for Teana 2.5L V6, you are getting only 6km/L, then what for you pay so much for the fuel. You talk about handling OUT, talk about build quality overall not just the insulation OUT, talk about RV sure out, talk about maintenance expensive, talk about practicality, OUT. Talk about strength, OUT also despite so big engine yet heavier than those D-segments I mentioned. Unless it's Skyline G25, then no point buying this fuel guzzling, high maintenance and narrowest cost cutting, scored lowest on safety rating and failed handling Teana. RV could end up worse than Cefiro A32/33 anytime due to less conventional car design.


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Since you bought the Sylphy with CRA2Y discount at RM107k, tell me what do you get out of it? Did you buy it because you can't afford proper Japanese C-segment such as Altis, Mazda 3, Civic, Lancer or conti VW, therefore you bought the Sylphy 2.0 with high overtrade willing to accept your poor RV N16 Sentra more than you can sell outside? If you bought Sylphy instead of Altis, therefore you get more of these cons than pros:
- Narrower than N16 Sentra inside, can't even fit 3 full size adults.
- Straight right rear seats with poor thigh support, part of your thighs are left dangling outside the oyster seats despite got legroom
- Outside also narrow, you go next to any C-segment, you are dwarfed.
- Not fuel saving after all, 8.9km/L
- Maintenance high, every 20,000km later you tell me. RM600 oops! ATF fluid change. CVT gearbox if steelbelt dislocated or moveable face worn out, you'll cry
- Handling failed, can't even perform defensive driving while cruising within safety speed limit, example on that straight highway is either 80, 90, 100 or 100km/h.
- Low practicality, any household item that is slightly bigger, you'll have to pay for transportation due to no split fold.
- First year RV drop to less than RM75k, 2 more years lower than cheaper Forte 2.0L. You can put asking price RM85k but end up no caller.

The list could go further down if you wanted to. These won't happen if you gone for Altis dual VVTi. Forte 2.0L also give you more happiness despite no effort placed by NASA.




This post has been edited by jayraptor: May 31 2013, 09:20 PM

I am trying to wake that kimsim up. N16 and Cefiro were the last quality cars from N-brand. When Japan phased out N-16 and Cefiro, N-brand marketing bunch here gained more freedom over the 2 products and they get to choose which part to remove.

If yours is the SG-L or earlier Sentra N16, fine as they still have ABS. Those idiots pandai2 removed the ABS from the '08 Sentra Sport SG. Want to give strong brake grip but remove ABS end up easily get wheel lock even at just 60km/h? Keeping proper distance is a must but fact is, emergency braking is required sometimes to evade unexpected obstacle such as boulder that can be spotted on middle of dark road at very last minute, etc.
- If it's old Iswara without ABS, it does not come with strong grip. The same goes to many older 80's Japanese cars.
- To prove this, you remove the ABS from Lancer fitted with 15" brake caliper, 1 slightly harder force by accident at just 60km/h could send it into wheel lock where it'll skid 5 cars distance due to strong grip.

Wonder why they stated Sentra Sport when they removed ABS in the first place? 2007 onwards, they bring in cost cutting substandard alternative Sylphy and Teana that are meant for poorer nation. Some cars are sold in Japan suited for the tax rate for the not so rich Japanese. It is not because it is good. US Altima and Sentra '07 are the actual global models that replaced our Cefiro and Sentra N16. As long as the car is made reliable, tuning to 10.5 also won't give problem.

You have only solved 1 out of the 3 things that'll cause overheat issue. However, that happens to every 1 out of 10 owners that SC always have previous victim blown engine block that was restored on standby for next victim. If N16 engine blown, they'll change the blown engine with earlier victim's engine restored and they could get the engine refitted in less than 1 week. Cost for inline4 engine RM4k+ N16 cheaper, followed by X-Trail 2.0 then X-Trail 2.5. Cefiro A33 not exceeding RM6k. Sylphy and Teana don't have temperature gauge therefore if such thing happen, they'll have to stop immediately when they see yellow warning indicator before turning red.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 1 2013, 10:58 PM

Hi 6UE5T,
What to do? Those local N-brand employed non-technical useless bunch to handle technical parts. So they think ABS not that important compared to Airbags so they pandai2 removed the ABS for its N16 Sports variant. That explains why you can find 1 whole stretch of crashed N16 at SC for insurance claim under certain season. It sounds weirdly coincidence but true. They all happen to hit on the front left fender/mudguard all due to wheel lock. Accident is more important than prevention is their Sports definition?

Yes, I find it CRA2Y to remove the temp gauge/indicator. Seems like carmakers hoping for more owners to blow their car engines due to late warning so that they could earn more from overhauling.


jolokia & kimsim,
My Forte EX 1.6L 4AT 2010 model came with free bodykit and 15" sports rim bought at RM75k no discount at all. Only SA giving full tank fuel + 2 bottles of mineral water. In comparison with my N16 Sentra, my colleagues' Sylphy and Latio>> the Forte has comparable FC and cheaper maintenance, so good that it is equivalent to Altis 1.6L.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 3 2013, 09:47 PM

From maintaining Sylphy bought in end 2008 and early 2009. Babysitting them and at the same time keep track with their owners as I intended to buy 1 back then because of their CRA2Y ad stating bravely 16km/L city driving. Technical staff said, Sylphy gearbox ATF fluid change depends on the diagnostic status reading. If it stated change, then we change ATF fluid. At that time, SC told to change ATF fluid every 20,000km so we change ATF fluid at 20,000km interval.

Both owners already disposed the crappy Sylphy due to:
- nothing close to the claim FC, can't even beat non-FL Altis 1.8 old engine despite being lighter. 8.9km/L normal city driving, 9.3km/L mild city traffic. 12km/L highway with traffic and 14km/L on smooth highway while 16km/L is never exceed highway FC.
- Handling failed, can't do basic swerve safely and stable when cruising within speed limit on that highway be it 80km/h, 100Km/h especially near the site when driving at night, might spot boulder on middle of the road and need to do emergency swerve. Sylphy has worst handling ever.
- Practicality failed big time, it's not even a C-segment in the first place. Nothing more than a B-segment with long wheelbase 2700mm. No splitfold some more. They would have bought Altis, Civic or Lancer had it not be that fake FC Claim 16km/L backed by gimmick lightfoot contest result.

Forte FC heavy bumper to bumper crawl all time 9km/L. Normal city driving 100% get 10km/L, mild city driving traffic 11.2km/L. Mixed city 60% highway 40% 12km/L. Highway only FC could get over 14km/L.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 4 2013, 08:48 PM

zeus2005,
Probably due to City CVT dislocated issue scare at that time, the SC required Sylphy owners to change ATF every 20,000km. By right, the CVT gearbox ATF fluid change depends on ATF condition in the gearbox when diagnosed by Consult-2 diagnostic tool. You change at 100,00km interval, you are risking of having the steel belt or reels of moveable faces dislocated. Mind you, fixing/overhauling CVT gearbox cost way much more than conventional gearbox with gears and not any engineering firm can fix for you. Unlike conventional gearbox, the NS2 ATF fluid has higher density and the CVT gearbox requires ATF too be debris free & density unchanged at all time. Once there's changes on density and pressure, you must change to prevent trouble. Conventional gearbox is mostly mechanical and reliable gearbox could still run well as long as there's ATF.


" u must be a very free person to track FC like that. Life is short la... Just enjoy your drive. Why make life so difficult?"
>> Ofcourse I keep track as I intended to buy Sylphy at that time. Luckily I did not or else, would join the 2 colleagues regret list. You don't do research on car that you want to buy? Bought wrong car get much headache, what do you enjoy from there?


obs5279
"Wah, this jayraptor jump forum from autoworld to lowyat fnf? If you really wan to know what he commented previously in autoworld, you can refer to autoworld forum especially nissan owners forum. Every nissan car let him criticized till no value. Dunno why XD"
>> Many forumners here used to be with AW. Since Low Yat doing better, people switched to LY, what is your problem? You are 1 of Sylphy owner and trying to save its RV? Once the wrong car being brought in by car companies, those who suffer are owners. Also, whatever you do, it won't save the RV as people aren't blind and good owners will tell the truth rather than cover up so that others don't fall into the trap.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 5 2013, 09:24 PM

Yes, agree Nissan makes great cars such as Skyline G25 sedan/coupe, US Sentra B16 and Altima L31/32. All the problem appears due with these local N-brand bunch garbage that brought in substandard alternative instead of the actual global market quality model wanted to get lowest cost and maximum revenue attempting to fool local buyers here with cheats and lies. No overheat issue in Nissan but under the hand of those bunch, there is jinx abnormal overheating issue happen to every 1 out of 10 owners in earlier certain models.

Sylphy is designed for Japan local market suited for their tax exemption and overpopulated city/housing roads. It is not a better car and not meant for export designed for lower income Japanese group that could not afford C-segment due to very high cost of ownership. Toyota Axio is designed for the same purpose and that is why they don't really export this model. We get Altis whereas European get Auris, both are quality car for global market regardless of which you choose.

Our local bunch seized this opportunity to bring in Sylphy instead of Sentra B16 that replaced our Sentra N16. C-segment in 2006 onwards have upsized from 1690mm width to >1750mm and wheelbase extended from 2500mm to >2600mm.

Because of very low assembly cost similar to quality Japanese B-segment only, they decided to bring in Sylphy and think they could sell at quality Japanese made pricing RM112k-116k in 2008 where Lancer GL cost RM110k and GT at RM115k, Altis 1.8L at RM112k-118k while Civic 1.8 RM112k, 2.0L at RM120k+. They think people will buy Sylphy because it's Japanese made but sales didn't turn out well, this is where they came up with Lightfoot gimmick to back its 16km/L city FC claim and gave CRA2Y result getting over 20km/L in Sylphy. Many cheated by the ad and Lightfoot result, went for Sylphy instead of Altis, Lancer and Civic and their sales beaten Altis off the chart for few months. When got the car, FC 16km/L can't achieve unless on highway 100% without jam. Normal city driving 8.9km/L and highway with traffic 12-14km/L. Interior so narrow, can't fit 3 adults behind. Even B-segment Vios and Latio can give more interior width space.

After they done with Sylphy then came Teana J32 instead of Altima L32. Another cost cutting car with width of just 1795mm and it's not even sports sedan. Older Mazda 6 has 1795mm because it is a sports sedan, same goes to US Altima L32 with similar width where their interior are not as big as Camry as they do not forgo safety standard with thicker pillars, frames and aerodynamic meant for sporty drive rather than family car. Even Japanese phased out the Teana early despite being designed for Japan local market. You could figure why those N-brand bunch bring this in.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 5 2013, 11:00 PM

BMW 328i is performance oriented car luxury car. People bought them are either rich or for business status or to convince bank/customers. It is totally out of topic if you are talking about non-luxury Japanese/Korean D-segment price range where we could barely afford. If you are not rich and don't care about FC at all, sounds like you are those who depend on your wife or parents' money to buy the car and to feed on. Even new BMW F10/30, etc, they are great at FC nowadays compared to rivals. BMW 320D could even challenge 1.5L B-segment in FC. Is this not good FC?

If you wanted to talk about Pug or VW, they are higher end category, back then people buy them because of their performance, handling and high build quality. Today, even these cars come with proper FC. Your metaphor horse doesn't eat grass means the car doesn't use fuel at all. Mind you, the best horse does not mean it eats the most grass. The fattest man eats the most but he is not healthiest and could not do most of the things. Understand?

If you are a buyer, want to talk about Teana vs Mazda 6. Teana is not performance car, it has worst handling in D-segment category, worst FC, weakest gearbox, it has thinnest pillars, frames and flat straight sides that doubt it pass US/EU safety rating (never screened), then why would you bother buying this car when there are Camry, Accord, Sonata/Optima that could offer more? Want to talk about comfort, it only relies heavily on its thick soundproof insulation to make you think it's the quietest. By right you could easily add sound insulation to other brands here. Technical, safety, aerodynamic and the extra side chassis frame/body protection, you don't get to add this as they come in the car itself.


zeus2005,
Sources got from several different Japanese/Korean brands SC & taxi fleet, taking into consideration problem that could cause breakdown and severe issues only. Also counting the numbers of cars being towed back to SC:
Toyota proven most reliable/durable followed by Mazda and Hyundai-Kia then Honda. Ofcourse, I only look at proper Toyota make/model Vios, Altis and Camry. Forgo the Innova, Avanza and Rush meant for substandard 3rd nation category.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 6 2013, 09:34 PM

Hi kadajawi,
Toyota Vios dugong, Altis '08 or Camry '07, they don't give much but they still pass the requirement to be in the segment they are in. The length x width x height qualified to be in the segment they are in example Vios B-segment, Altis C-segment and Camry D-segment. Reliability & durability, they are the best whereas their FC are acceptable, not the best but still belong under good category. We buy Toyota, it is nothing more than safebuy where you can keep for long term with ease of maintenance. We buy Mazda 6, its because of its reliability/durability, quality, FC, performance, handling.

Sylphy is B-segment limo for Japan local domestic market meant for enjoying tax exemption and due to very high cost of ownership, it is designed as cheap and affordable cars for Japanese in overcrowded Japan that could not afford C-segment. The Teana serves the same purpose but it was not entitled to tax exemption therefore the local Japanese find it irrelevant and went for other makes including Skyline 250GT. Therefore Teana was phased out early in Japan. The actual Nissan models for global market are Altima L32 D-segment and Sentra B16 C-segment. Altima L32 is sports sedan on same league as Mazda 6 '08 with main focus on sporty theme rather than large interior space therefore they are smaller than Camry inside. Teana at the other hand is made flat straight boxy inside just to be bigger than Camry and forgo the thick pillars and frames required for safety.

Altis FL '10 did give something that Toyota would not give. They were generous enough to give new engine, new gearbox, proper suspension that gives proper handling. Vios by right wanted to come up with replacement and give dual VVTi engine upgrade but was withdrawn as the sales of Dugong unaffected by competitor. Same goes with Camry FL '09 that by right they should give new dual VVTi engine as in other Asia country, but withdrawn as Camry sales were doing well. Toyota to give you goodies only when they get desperate and losing badly in sales.


jolokia,
The difference between Toyota Aurion and Camry are just the fenders, bonnets, lights and grills. The chassis, frame, structure and pillars are entirely the same. Are you trying to say having different fenders and lights would get much difference on result whereas these parts will only be destroyed in crash test rather than stopping impact.

You compare Altima vs Teana, the Teana whole structure and chassis frame are totally different. These are the crucial part in determining safety rating.

Toyota has been always scoring average US/EU safety rating but they still passed the minimum score. In reality accident cases, we have all seen how well Vios, Altis and Camry fared. The most serious we read on paper, blogs, etc, the occupants still survive despite seriously injured. 1 case where a Camry '07 driven reckless flew into the sky landed upside down on a hut. Mazda at the other hand scored high in US/EU safety rating and even in reality, they had the best survival cases ever being rammed head on by lost control semi truck and the Malay owner walked unhurt in his Mazda 5 MPV. The same goes to Ford, started with their first Mondeo in 1992 where a lady and her newborn baby survived he worst crash ever with trailer.

Due to stiff competition from conti, Korean and Japanese D-segment competitors, I think the current Camry might be replaced with total redesign more fully packed replacement soon. Just keep voicing out and the Japanese carmakers will get the feedback.

Ford they started almost everything, even came up with the design that everyone followed in 80's, 90's, 2000's, 2010's but they always don't get the credit due to too slow in coming up with production model. By the time they came out, all their invention and creative design had been copied heavily by competitors when Ford announced and showed the prototype around. Ford always end up being labelled as copycat instead.

sonyman,
I didn't say Korean makes ok ok only, instead I rated them as being reliable/durable and they tried to give us more than most Japanese cars would offer. Check again, I only said Toyota is safe buy, didn't say the best. The best car goes to Mazda. Ford, VW, Pug/Citroen in terms of tech, build quality, performance & handling. Ford could only do well if they go CKD here. Back then, Mazda/Ford known to be less favourable but because of CKD here, they have lots of affordable spare parts around therefore people are convinced to buy them. They are sold in healthy numbers monthly and in around 90's, they even outsold N-brand. You an find more Ford around that time than N-brand.

feelfree,
You are spamming on few threads with same comment. Moderator might monitor your action. You look like having eyesore over other brands success. Who ask you to bring in substandard cheaper alternative products in the first place? Now that your cover blown as people found out the Teana and Sylphy aren't on the same range as other quality Japanese/Korean D-segment and C-segment, therefore you can no longer compete by selling at quality Japanese price range. So, you blame owners who posted their reviews on the cars they bought?

Looks like you are not here to talk about cars or topic related to thread. You get 19 Degree South and jolokia to back your comment won't help as the majority viewers in this forum can see for themselves, who has the facts.

Yes, cows do have digestion system. That is fact.

Teana 1795mm
Camry1825mm
Accord 1845mm
Sonata 1835mm
Optima 1830mm
Mondeo 1886mm
Mazda 6 1840mm

These are facts too. You open the door and check thickness pillars and frames, they aren't the same with Teana the thinnest with straightest flat sides is also facts. Teana is not qualified to be in global D-segment from 2007 onwards standard is also fact.

Your comment instead is more bullshit instead if you wanted to say others. You should look at mirror to look at yourself first before you judge others. If you want to stay dumb and get cheated or brainwashed by car companies, your choice but don't force others to be dumb like you. This is what we call consumer rights.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 11 2013, 10:25 PM

So you mean posting exterior width of cars are rubbish? Since you claimed to know so much to call measurement from specs rubbish, here's your topic to start with. Don't try to divert elsewhere or give excuse like wasting time to reply and answer your challenge.

Attention to all genuine forumners,
Please do not assist him or considered Volkswagen2 disqualified and lost admitting he's wrongfully judge my comment with much bias. Only these guys are allowed to help him, but if their comment resembles mine, they too are considered bias:
>>feelfree, jolokia, stix and 19 Degree South

The rule is simple. Since Volkswagen2 talk like he's a pro pretend to be pro-VW but instead he's been siding with the N-brand bunch, I am hereby challenging him to post facts on Teana vs Passat sedan comparison. If any of his answers have similarity to mine that he called rubbish, considered Volkswagen2 lost and he must admit that he has been biased against my comment out of personal reason. If any of them posted foul language or offensive words rather than sticking to car talk, considered them lost

Here's the challenge for Volkswagen 2, you must answer by giving explaination:

1) Width Passat 1820mm vs Teana 1795mm, why Teana inside wider? Give 3 explanations.
>> My answer : Passat used the space on thicker door, chassis frame/pillars and angled body for safety/protection. Whereas Teana focus on flat straight sides with thiner pillars/frames to maximise interior space.

2) Kerb weight Passat 1.8L at 1517kg vs Teana 2.0 at 1455kg and 2.5 V6 at 1540kg. How come Passat 1.8 weighs heavier than Teana 2.0 and close to Teana 2.5 V6? Give 3 explanations.
>>My answer : Passat has the bigger heavier Multilink rear suspension, more metal materials from the chassis and also has the intercooler + turbocharger. Chassis that is wider would require more materials especially the metal and solid steel to hold the structure from the front all the way to the back. * Teana is not made of hot stamping technique using hot tensile strength by the way. It is still traditional much, it shows how much cost cutting there. Mazda 6 or Sonata, they are using newer lightweight yet stronger material to be light.

Fyi, Dimension (mm):
Passat 1.8 - length 4769, width 1820, height 1470, wheelbase 2712
Teana 2.0/2.5 - length 4850, witdh 1795, height 1480, wheelbase 2775

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 12 2013, 09:42 PM

Would like you to help monitor these guys who attacked bias reply on this thread.
19 Degree South
kcng
Volkswagen2
feelfree

So far, none of them have replied anything related to Teana vs Passat questions I threw at them. Since they said my comments are false, so where are their remarks so far? I'll give them few more days. If they kept saying it is not answerable, then wonder how Jeremy Clarkson Top Gear, Tiff Needle's Fifth Gear, Singapore Motoring magazine, US Motor Trend, Australia's Car Advice, and those professional journalist performing true and accurate evaluation and measurement on reading, results, etc could even have the results in the first place. How come each car score different score on safety rating, etc? Fact is, every factors count in the car for the result.

More and more consumers have more knowledge on cars, carmakers and car companies will not treat us as third nation and won't be able to cheat in giving us products. Healthy competition and comparison will ensure we'll get more and more quality products rather than backward products with way too much cost cutting. It is time for Malaysian to wake up.

1. Actually compared the thickness of Teana doors, pillars and frame with other D-segment. It is thinner. Bottle holders? I didn't even include that in thickness measurement for other cars. People looking at the safety feature frame thickness.

2. No point having much space inside only by forgoing the present day required safety chassis compartment design. Others have smaller interior space because they have to build angled frames and chassis so that they don't absorb force of impact entirely. Also, the thickness is required to pass crash test safety rating in US/EU. If like that, Passat, Mondeo, Pug508, BMW, etc, why bother to use up much space on frame thickness safety? They can just cut cost with flat straight thin frame and get full size sedan interior.

3. & 4. If lightweight due to use of new hot stamping technique high tensile strength like Mazda 6 Takeri bigger but lighter than older Mazda 6 '08 is fine. But if light by cost cutting using cheap materials, that is not nice at all. Does Teana has tensile strength in the first place? Sorry, it has only tiny bits of that material but no hot stamping technique compared to competitors. There is no new technology found in Teana, everything traditional and cheap. In return, they give extra soundproof insulation.

5. The X-CVT (gear 2.349~0.394) in Teana is obsolete gearbox that was phased out by JATCO. The better ones with bigger stronger gears are fitted in Infiniti and also found in Mitsubishi Mirage (gear 4.007~0.55). Technical SC has confirmed the ATF NS2 fluid change in Teana/Sylphy depends on its density condition as diagnosed by diagnostic tool reading. If condition is not good, they'll advise you to change.


Looks like 19 Degree South, kcng, Volkswagen2 & feelfree confirmed have nothing to say in Passat vs Teana chassis design explanation. So where are the facts since you can call others measurement comment rubbish? There's nothing you can back up with? Only posted unrelated info? So declare you all eyesore and wanted to prevent owners & carbuyers from sharing info?