From maintaining Sylphy bought in end 2008 and early 2009. Babysitting them and at the same time keep track with their owners as I intended to buy 1 back then because of their CRA2Y ad stating bravely 16km/L city driving. Technical staff said, Sylphy gearbox ATF fluid change depends on the diagnostic status reading. If it stated change, then we change ATF fluid. At that time, SC told to change ATF fluid every 20,000km so we change ATF fluid at 20,000km interval.

Both owners already disposed the crappy Sylphy due to:
- nothing close to the claim FC, can't even beat non-FL Altis 1.8 old engine despite being lighter. 8.9km/L normal city driving, 9.3km/L mild city traffic. 12km/L highway with traffic and 14km/L on smooth highway while 16km/L is never exceed highway FC.
- Handling failed, can't do basic swerve safely and stable when cruising within speed limit on that highway be it 80km/h, 100Km/h especially near the site when driving at night, might spot boulder on middle of the road and need to do emergency swerve. Sylphy has worst handling ever.
- Practicality failed big time, it's not even a C-segment in the first place. Nothing more than a B-segment with long wheelbase 2700mm. No splitfold some more. They would have bought Altis, Civic or Lancer had it not be that fake FC Claim 16km/L backed by gimmick lightfoot contest result. 

Forte FC heavy bumper to bumper crawl all time 9km/L. Normal city driving 100% get 10km/L, mild city driving traffic 11.2km/L. Mixed city 60% highway 40% 12km/L. Highway only FC could get over 14km/L.

So you mean posting exterior width of cars are rubbish? Since you claimed to know so much to call measurement from specs rubbish, here's your topic to start with. Don't try to divert elsewhere or give excuse like wasting time to reply and answer your challenge.

Attention to all genuine forumners,
Please do not assist him or considered Volkswagen2 disqualified and lost admitting he's wrongfully judge my comment with much bias. Only these guys are allowed to help him, but if their comment resembles mine, they too are considered bias:
>>feelfree, jolokia, stix and 19 Degree South 

The rule is simple. Since Volkswagen2 talk like he's a pro pretend to be pro-VW but instead he's been siding with the N-brand bunch, I am hereby challenging him to post facts on Teana vs Passat sedan comparison. If any of his answers have similarity to mine that he called rubbish, considered Volkswagen2 lost and he must admit that he has been biased against my comment out of personal reason. If any of them posted foul language or offensive words rather than sticking to car talk, considered them lost

Here's the challenge for Volkswagen 2, you must answer by giving explaination:

1) Width Passat 1820mm vs Teana 1795mm, why Teana inside wider? Give 3 explanations.
>> My answer : Passat used the space on thicker door, chassis frame/pillars and angled body for safety/protection. Whereas Teana focus on flat straight sides with thiner pillars/frames to maximise interior space.

2) Kerb weight Passat 1.8L at 1517kg vs Teana 2.0 at 1455kg and 2.5 V6 at 1540kg. How come Passat 1.8 weighs heavier than Teana 2.0 and close to Teana 2.5 V6? Give 3 explanations.
>>My answer : Passat has the bigger heavier Multilink rear suspension, more metal materials from the chassis and also has the intercooler + turbocharger. Chassis that is wider would require more materials especially the metal and solid steel to hold the structure from the front all the way to the back. * Teana is not made of hot stamping technique using hot tensile strength by the way. It is still traditional much, it shows how much cost cutting there. Mazda 6 or Sonata, they are using newer lightweight yet stronger material to be light.

Fyi, Dimension (mm):
Passat 1.8 - length 4769, width 1820, height 1470, wheelbase 2712
Teana 2.0/2.5 - length 4850, witdh 1795, height 1480, wheelbase 2775

1. Actually compared the thickness of Teana doors, pillars and frame with other D-segment. It is thinner. Bottle holders? I didn't even include that in thickness measurement for other cars. People looking at the safety feature frame thickness.

2. No point having much space inside only by forgoing the present day required safety chassis compartment design. Others have smaller interior space because they have to build angled frames and chassis so that they don't absorb force of impact entirely. Also, the thickness is required to pass crash test safety rating in US/EU. If like that, Passat, Mondeo, Pug508, BMW, etc, why bother to use up much space on frame thickness safety? They can just cut cost with flat straight thin frame and get full size sedan interior.

3. & 4. If lightweight due to use of new hot stamping technique high tensile strength like Mazda 6 Takeri bigger but lighter than older Mazda 6 '08 is fine. But if light by cost cutting using cheap materials, that is not nice at all. Does Teana has tensile strength in the first place? Sorry, it has only tiny bits of that material but no hot stamping technique compared to competitors. There is no new technology found in Teana, everything traditional and cheap. In return, they give extra soundproof insulation.

5. The X-CVT (gear 2.349~0.394) in Teana is obsolete gearbox that was phased out by JATCO. The better ones with bigger stronger gears are fitted in Infiniti and also found in Mitsubishi Mirage (gear 4.007~0.55). Technical SC has confirmed the ATF NS2 fluid change in Teana/Sylphy depends on its density condition as diagnosed by diagnostic tool reading. If condition is not good, they'll advise you to change.
Looks like 19 Degree South, kcng, Volkswagen2 & feelfree confirmed have nothing to say in Passat vs Teana chassis design explanation. So where are the facts since you can call others measurement comment rubbish? There's nothing you can back up with? Only posted unrelated info? So declare you all eyesore and wanted to prevent owners & carbuyers from sharing info?

Korean cars are much stable and because you don't feel fast, you think it's underpowered. Teana/Sylphy, they came up with more sensitive accelerator plate to give you the impression that it is very powerful in which, it is not. Meaning that you press 1/4 on Sylphy/Teana accelerator equals 1/3 pedals on Korean and conti cars already.

You want to be frog under the shade and shun knowledge especially safety, up to you. But don't go and prevent others from sharing info. Exora & Innova, both are not proper MPV for global market, therefore no comment. You want to talk about midi-MPV, kindly refer Toyota Wish/Verso, Kia Carens 2013, Mazda 5, Ford C-Max. Ok?

Altis '08/10 is about to phase out. At their time, they are qualified to be C-segment though legroom is less than Lancer. By overall, its width, length, wheelbase and height are qualified to be C-segment. Sylphy width 1695mm is B-segment, not qualified to be C-segment in the first place. Teana only 1795mm and not even a sports sedan is not qualified to be D-segment neither. Some C-segment are as wide as that and even wider also got. Sylphy can't even swerve safely cruising on highway. Does it mean you are willing to pay RM120k for C-segment that is so narrow at 1695mm and drive on left lane at 60km/h on 110km/h speed limit wide 3-lane highway?

Honda City '03 has poor legroom. If yours is Honda City '08, that legroom is just average but headroom is terribly low at the back. Civic rear headroom also bad as they wanted to focus on aerodynamic.