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 2013 New Teana 2.5L v6 or Madza 6 2.0 L, Which is worth to buy ?

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Volkswagen2
post May 21 2013, 10:18 AM

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Hi there,

Looks is subjective. To you, Mazda 6 looks better than Teana. To me, the Teana looks better than the Mazda 6. Subjective. Though it is suffice to say that the Mazda 6 looks more sporty with its fierce stance. I prefer the more elegant, composed and sedated looks of the Teana than the more sporty looks of the Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling. I think most here have said it pretty well. NIssan vehicles, Sylphy upwards, particularly the Teana, has one of the most refined, quiet and comfortable drive in comparison to the equivalent Japanese counterparts such as HOnda Accord, Mazda 6 or even Toyota Camry. Try to drive and compare yourself. If you want quiet, refined and comfortable, the Teana wins.

If you want sporty, take bends fast and furious style, 0-100km/h acceleration etc. then I would think the Mazda 6 wins. However, the Teana is no slouch, just not aimed at a more spirited driving style like the Mazda 6.

Personally it depends on what you want. A more comfortable or quiet drive, a more spirited, dynamic or sporty drive. Looks is another thing, which is subjective.

Personally I take the Teana. I dont' like the Mazda looks. To each his own.


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post May 22 2013, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 21 2013, 11:02 PM)
Teana only relies on thicker sound insulation, more soft touch material and leather seats to make people think its outdated engine & CVT feels refine. Also, to fit more sensitive drive plate on its drive by wire pedal to hide the sluggish feel due to smaller first few gears in its slow response obsolete CVT gearbox.

Looks wise, the vote goes to Mazda 6 inside and outside. Elegance wise, luxury wise, they all go to Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling, Mazda 6 wins. Performance and handling aren't for reckless driving but instead they are part of passive safety allowing you to swerve away from unexpected obstacles safely without losing control.

Practicality, reliability & durability all goes to Mazda 6. It's still using handbrake rather than less practical on the floor parking brake. In terms of emergency, passenger can help to pull the handbrake example, driver passed out.

Teana is narrowest D-segment, at 1795mm that is only 20mm wider than Forte and 10mm wider than Cruze? Other D-segments are all over 1820mm. They are wider outside but inside only comparable or slightly bigger than Teana because they are made with thicker frame/pillars to pass US/EU safety rating especially on side impact. Mazda needless to say in reality, they are 1 of the best in safety rating.

Maintenance wise, the CVT gearbox in Teana is expensive at RM600 with relatively short service interval of approximately 20,000km. Change ATF fluid also they have to use diagnostic tools (RM80 per use) to check gearbox condition. If go for Teana 2.5 V6, more higher maintenance as there are always 2 sets of additional item for the extra 2 cylinders. That is 2 spark plugs, 2 HT cables, 2 distributorless ports, 2 piston rings, 2 valves, etc.

FC wise, Teana lost to Mazda 6 be it 2.0L or 2.5L. Anything measurable is never subjective.
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Not too sure where you got the outdated engine and slow response CVT gearbox from. At the end of the day, the Teana is still more comfortable, quiet and refined than the Mazda 6. And yes, the sound insulation on the Teana is better than the Mazda 6. The interior of the Teana is more "homely" than the one in the Mazda 6.

Yet again, I am not sure on your comment about the vote of looks going to Mazda 6 inside out, whether it's solely your own opinion or the majority of the people. For what it's worth, although the looks of the Mazda 6 is more desirable than the Teana, or it is more elegant and luxurious than the Teana, the sales of the Teana exceed the Mazda 6 by quite a margin.

Ride and handling, the Mazda 6 may have an edge, though any sane driver wouldn't rely on the passive safety features to prevent the car from losing control which results in accidents.

May I ask where did you get the idea of the Mazda 6 being more practical, reliable and durable than the Teana? Would appreciate some information to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just pure drivel on your part.

Not too sure about maintenance and FC of the Mazda 6 having and edge over the Teana, though I do think overall maintenance of the Teana may be slightly cheaper than the Mazda. Maintenance of Nissan vehicles are among the cheapest if compared to other Japanese makes. Perhaps you are referring to maintenance at specific intervals.

FC wise, don't think this would matter too much for those considering a vehicle in this class, a 2.0 or 2.5, since they won't be registering good FC anyway in comparison to a 1.6 or 1.8. Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.
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post Jun 5 2013, 09:28 AM

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That explains about this Jayraptor. His responses seemed shallow albeit long-winded, but the facts are crap. Below are my response to him, and he followed up with more drivel which I don't bother to respond anymore. Sometimes people do tend to post rubbish on the forums. For amusement.

QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 22 2013, 07:29 AM)
Not too sure where you got the outdated engine and slow response CVT gearbox from. At the end of the day, the Teana is still more comfortable, quiet and refined than the Mazda 6. And yes, the sound insulation on the Teana is better than the Mazda 6. The interior of the Teana is more "homely" than the one in the Mazda 6.

Yet again, I am not sure on your comment about the vote of looks going to Mazda 6 inside out, whether it's solely your own opinion or the majority of the people. For what it's worth, although the looks of the Mazda 6 is more desirable than the Teana, or it is more elegant and luxurious than the Teana, the sales of the Teana exceed the Mazda 6 by quite a margin.

Ride and handling, the Mazda 6 may have an edge, though any sane driver wouldn't rely on the passive safety features to prevent the car from losing control which results in accidents.

May I ask where did you get the idea of the Mazda 6 being more practical, reliable and durable than the Teana? Would appreciate some information to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just pure drivel on your part.

Not too sure about maintenance and FC of the Mazda 6 having and edge over the Teana, though I do think overall maintenance of the Teana may be slightly cheaper than the Mazda. Maintenance of Nissan vehicles are among the cheapest if compared to other Japanese makes. Perhaps you are referring to maintenance at specific intervals.

FC wise, don't think this would matter too much for those considering a vehicle in this class, a 2.0 or 2.5, since they won't be registering good FC anyway in comparison to a 1.6 or 1.8. Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.
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post Jun 12 2013, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 11 2013, 10:24 PM)
Yes, cows do have digestion system. That is fact.

Teana 1795mm
Camry1825mm
Accord 1845mm
Sonata 1835mm
Optima 1830mm
Mondeo 1886mm
Mazda 6 1840mm

These are facts too. You open the door and check thickness pillars and frames, they aren't the same with Teana the thinnest with straightest flat sides is also facts. Teana is not qualified to be in global D-segment from 2007 onwards standard is also fact.

Your comment instead is more bullshit instead if you wanted to say others. You should look at mirror to look at yourself first before you judge others. If you want to stay dumb and get cheated or brainwashed by car companies, your choice but don't force others to be dumb like you. This is what we call consumer rights.
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Dude, can you please stop posting rubbish. You should just refrain your silliness on Autoworld forum instead of acting like a clown here. You are surely an embarassment to yourself, posting more drivel and making yourself look like a fool when you don't realise it.
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post Jun 14 2013, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 13 2013, 09:01 PM)
Would like you to help monitor these guys who attacked bias reply on this thread.
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So far, none of them have replied anything related to Teana vs Passat questions I threw at them. Since they said my comments are false, so where are their remarks so far? I'll give them few more days. If they kept saying it is not answerable, then wonder how Jeremy Clarkson Top Gear, Tiff Needle's Fifth Gear, Singapore Motoring magazine, US Motor Trend, Australia's Car Advice, and those professional journalist performing true and accurate evaluation and measurement on reading, results, etc could even have the results in the first place. How come each car score different score on safety rating, etc? Fact is, every factors count in the car for the result. 

More and more consumers have more knowledge on cars, carmakers and car companies will not treat us as third nation and won't be able to cheat in giving us products. Healthy competition and comparison will ensure we'll get more and more quality products rather than backward products with way too much cost cutting. It is time for Malaysian to wake up.
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Please grow up and stop showing your immaturity here. You still don't realize you look like a fool with your postings.
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post Jun 19 2013, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 17 2013, 04:19 PM)
1. Actually compared the thickness of Teana doors, pillars and frame with other D-segment. It is thinner. Bottle holders? I didn't even include that in thickness measurement for other cars. People looking at the safety feature frame thickness.

2. No point having much space inside only by forgoing the present day required safety chassis compartment design. Others have smaller interior space because they have to build angled frames and chassis so that they don't absorb force of impact entirely. Also, the thickness is required to pass crash test safety rating in US/EU. If like that, Passat, Mondeo, Pug508, BMW, etc, why bother to use up much space on frame thickness safety? They can just cut cost with flat straight thin frame and get full size sedan interior.

3. & 4. If lightweight due to use of new hot stamping technique high tensile strength like Mazda 6 Takeri bigger but lighter than older Mazda 6 '08 is fine. But if light by cost cutting using cheap materials, that is not nice at all. Does Teana has tensile strength in the first place? Sorry, it has only tiny bits of that material but no hot stamping technique compared to competitors. There is no new technology found in Teana, everything traditional and cheap. In return, they give extra soundproof insulation.

5. The X-CVT (gear 2.349~0.394) in Teana is obsolete gearbox that was phased out by JATCO. The better ones with bigger stronger gears are fitted in Infiniti and also found in Mitsubishi Mirage (gear 4.007~0.55). Technical SC has confirmed the ATF NS2 fluid change in Teana/Sylphy depends on its density condition as diagnosed by diagnostic tool reading. If condition is not good, they'll advise you to change.
Looks like 19 Degree South, kcng, Volkswagen2 & feelfree confirmed have nothing to say in Passat vs Teana chassis design explanation. So where are the facts since you can call others measurement comment rubbish? There's nothing you can back up with? Only posted unrelated info? So declare you all eyesore and wanted to prevent owners & carbuyers from sharing info?
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You still don't get it don't you? What is the use of contributing to your responses when all you've posted are rubbish? Your information on dimensions of the car are taken off the website, but your other opinions are rubbish and all cheap talk, unsubstantiated information. So, get your facts right and stop twisting the facts when you are asking for some back-up information, when you yourself failed to provide backup to substantiate all your "subjective" rubbish thoughts. Nobody would care to respond to your posts anymore since nobody would care to respond to an immature individual like yourself. You still dont' realise you look like a fool with all your drivel. Truly an embarrassment to yourself.

The potato representation truly fits you to a tee.
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post Jun 25 2013, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 22 2013, 12:35 AM)
Whatever you say seems more rubbish. You should look in the mirror to evaluate yourself before you attack others' views and comments with nothing.

You can't even tell why carmakers would make angled pillars and frames yet thicker. Sacrifice so much space and left with less interior space for what? All for safety reason. You can try to get hit in Passat and then try again with Teana both at same speed and angle if you wanted to argue further.

You should change your username to other brands rather than disgracing VW and conti makes here. People share and free to talk about cars here so that owners and consumers get smarter. Not to be brainwashed and continue to be cheated by car companies. If you are not siding with carbuyers and consumers, then stay out of the way.
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You are truly an idiot.
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post Jul 9 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 7 2013, 01:39 AM)
Korean cars are much stable and because you don't feel fast, you think it's underpowered. Teana/Sylphy, they came up with more sensitive accelerator plate to give you the impression that it is very powerful in which, it is not. Meaning that you press 1/4 on Sylphy/Teana accelerator equals 1/3 pedals on Korean and conti cars already.

You want to be frog under the shade and shun knowledge especially safety, up to you. But don't go and prevent others from sharing info. Exora & Innova, both are not proper MPV for global market, therefore no comment. You want to talk about midi-MPV, kindly refer Toyota Wish/Verso, Kia Carens 2013, Mazda 5, Ford C-Max. Ok?

Altis '08/10 is about to phase out. At their time, they are qualified to be C-segment though legroom is less than Lancer. By overall, its width, length, wheelbase and height are qualified to be C-segment. Sylphy width 1695mm is B-segment, not qualified to be C-segment in the first place. Teana only 1795mm and not even a sports sedan is not qualified to be D-segment neither. Some C-segment are as wide as that and even wider also got. Sylphy can't even swerve safely cruising on highway. Does it mean you are willing to pay RM120k for C-segment that is so narrow at 1695mm and drive on left lane at 60km/h on 110km/h speed limit wide 3-lane highway?

Honda City '03 has poor legroom. If yours is Honda City '08, that legroom is just average but headroom is terribly low at the back. Civic rear headroom also bad as they wanted to focus on aerodynamic.
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Don't know what rubbish are you mumbling about. You are still at it after all this while? Man you sure have high resilience hanging around on this forum after showing much of your stupidity over the Autoworld forum.

 

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