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 2013 New Teana 2.5L v6 or Madza 6 2.0 L, Which is worth to buy ?

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post May 19 2013, 12:42 AM

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Why 2.5ltr compared to 2.0ltr? Should compare those of the same engine size.
If compared like this, surely I'd pick the Teana 2.5ltr no matter how uncle it looks cause in the end it will still smoke the Mazda 6 2.0! Any sedan this size is hopeless/underpowered if just driven by 2.0 N/A.
If compared the same engine size then I'd pick the Mazda 6 cause it looks better and gives better performance too, just need to downsize that oversized 19' rims!
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post May 19 2013, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ May 19 2013, 08:28 AM)
I will take Mazda 6 anyday. Teana is a failed product in Japan. Even Japanese don't wanna buy.
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In what sense/area does it fail? Any well known defects of it?

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post May 22 2013, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 22 2013, 07:29 AM)
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Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.
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Not necessarily. A small engine forced to push a heavy weight may actually consume more fuel.

QUOTE(MTB_King @ May 22 2013, 07:06 PM)
I think TS should not worry about the FC on the new Teana. I am familiar with V6 engines and I can tell you...they drink fuel like a thirsty horse in a desert.
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Hmm based on your experience, how many kms/ltr on average? I'd like to get some comparison as well since I'm now driving a 2.5ltr V6.
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post May 22 2013, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(gcoolw @ May 22 2013, 10:09 PM)
Hi there... what is your current Fc now ? are you always drive in city ??
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So far my best is about 10.7kms/ltr combined city/highway on RON95 with daily route thru Tun Razak during evening rush hour. Not so bad for a 2.5ltr V6 with >210HP RWD car...I think. I'm now measuring it again after changing to the correct spark plug (last time was using wrong plug type) and decarbonizing.
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post May 22 2013, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 22 2013, 10:20 PM)
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I am comparing FC between Teana 2.0 vs Mazda 6 2.0 and Teana 2.5 V6 vs Mazda 6 2.5L. Mazda won in both due to new dual SVT & GDi tech + stronger gearbox > 3.6 first gear yet lighter due to hot stamping technique. Teana gearbox tiny first gear 2,3 while reverse 1.7 are too weak to push the car from idle. Teana design put too much weight to the head with its heavy 2.5L V6 is just wasting fuel yet can't beat Sonata YF 2.4L in whatever thrill. FC only 6km/L in city driving just wanted to hear V6 sound?
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What's the real (not Mazda factory claim) FC of Mazda 6 2.5ltr measured combined average city/highway from 100% full tank to at least 25% tank left? Just curious for comparison, thx.
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post May 26 2013, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 26 2013, 12:07 AM)
6UE5T,

Since there's no way we can get FC result here due to too new. Results from Aussies and Americans rated the Mazda 6 has slightly better FC than new Camry 2.5L dual VVTi. In down under, they rated Teana 2.5 V6 as most fuel guzzling in city driving, losing to Sonata/K5 2.4L, Camry 2.5L, older Camry 2.4L, Accord 2.4L, older Mazda 6 2.5L (rated great FC).
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I thought you have the means to test it out yourself, only needs a couple of weeks to do it actually. smile.gif
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post May 26 2013, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(gcoolw @ May 26 2013, 11:30 AM)
What i scare is the maintenance cost after 3 years  sweat.gif 

Hear from SA ... madza part mostly don't have so called "OEM" much. So if all use original.

i think the price won't be low. Thats my concern.
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Aiyo, have enough money to consider buying such expensive cars but still thinking to buy cheaper non-ori parts?
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post May 29 2013, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 29 2013, 10:21 PM)
WHere to get new Mazda 6? I am not with the press anyway. Those cars results I got were from my own cars or by babysitting colleagues' cars who went offshore or outstation site work.

Unlike infected journalist cincai result, they could even get FC results before testing the car. My way is to drive the few cars in city traffic at similar traffic and driving style few times to get average FC reading. Rather than believing the drive plate, I prefer keeping watch on the RPM meter instead as some Japanese cars come with sensitive accelerator plate to make it feel like it's powerful to hide its underpowered flaws. Conti cars usually have less sensitive or harder accelerator pedal as it is strong enough to propel forward and they wanted you to drive safe and more towards FC.

I find cars that are really strong prefers to be humble despite it has the power. Cars that have weak torque and weak inferior smaller gears gearbox tend to have sensitive plate like having inferiority complex. Teana and Accord are actually weaker than Camry but the 2 came with more sensitive drive plate to give driver the impression that they are stronger than Camry. In real road acceleration test and torque test, the Camry actually won both tests. Anyway, the Camry 1AZ engine with 190Nm@4000rpm is getting old, time to make way for dual VVTi 3ZR-FE that is even more impressive with 194Nm@4000rpm yet save fuel.
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Yeah, that's how I measure mine as well, the problem is my daily routes pass thru the Tun Razak jams, hence my FC avg might not be as good.

As for the throttle sensitivity, well that's the advantage/disadvantage of the drive-by-wire system, can be set with variability, some got more lags and some too sensitive. Can easily alter with those add-on throttle controller module anyway, so no big deal IMHO. Many cars now also already have those eco, normal, sport, even race mode settings that function to adjust the throttle input among other things.
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post Jun 2 2013, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jun 1 2013, 10:56 PM)
I am trying to wake that kimsim up. N16 and Cefiro were the last quality cars from N-brand. When Japan phased out N-16 and Cefiro, N-brand marketing bunch here gained more freedom over the 2 products and they get to choose which part to remove.

If yours is the SG-L or earlier Sentra N16, fine as they still have ABS. Those idiots pandai2 removed the ABS from the '08 Sentra Sport SG. Want to give strong brake grip but remove ABS end up easily get wheel lock even at just 60km/h? Keeping proper distance is a must but fact is, emergency braking is required sometimes to evade unexpected obstacle such as boulder that can be spotted on middle of dark road at very last minute, etc.
- If it's old Iswara without ABS, it does not come with strong grip. The same goes to many older 80's Japanese cars. 
- To prove this, you remove the ABS from Lancer fitted with 15" brake caliper, 1 slightly harder force by accident at just 60km/h could send it into wheel lock where it'll skid 5 cars distance due to strong grip.

Wonder why they stated Sentra Sport when they removed ABS in the first place? 2007 onwards, they bring in cost cutting substandard alternative Sylphy and Teana that are meant for poorer nation. Some cars are sold in Japan suited for the tax rate for the not so rich Japanese. It is not because it is good. US Altima and Sentra '07 are the actual global models that replaced our Cefiro and Sentra N16. As long as the car is made reliable, tuning to 10.5 also won't give problem.

You have only solved 1 out of the 3 things that'll cause overheat issue. However, that happens to every 1 out of 10 owners that SC always have previous victim blown engine block that was restored on standby for next victim. If N16 engine blown, they'll change the blown engine with earlier victim's engine restored and they could get the engine refitted in less than 1 week. Cost for inline4 engine RM4k+ N16 cheaper, followed by X-Trail 2.0 then X-Trail 2.5. Cefiro A33 not exceeding RM6k. Sylphy and Teana don't have temperature gauge therefore if such thing happen, they'll have to stop immediately when they see yellow warning indicator before turning red.
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I have to agree with you on the non-ABS of the later Sentra Sport. Very surprised that it was removed from the previous versions, like suddenly going back to the late 80s-early 90s where none of the cars in this class had any ABS! doh.gif

As for not having temp gauge/indicator, that's also what I hate about many recent cars! This is not just Nissan but also others like Toyota Vios & Honda City!
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post Jun 5 2013, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(obs5279 @ Jun 5 2013, 03:00 PM)
Wah, this jayraptor jump forum from autoworld to lowyat fnf? If you really wan to know what he commented previously in autoworld, you can refer to autoworld forum especially nissan owners forum. Every nissan car let him criticized till no value. Dunno why XD
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Hmm, Nissan actually makes many great cars: the Silvias, Fairlady Zs, and of course the mighty GTRs which is still the top dog of Japanese performance cars and technical marvel in every sense of the word, despite those geabox problems due to abuse. Those are cars that I still dream of owning one day.
Every car brand will make lemon ones and good ones, none is perfect.
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post Jun 7 2013, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 7 2013, 06:25 PM)
Ford was founded 1903... Toyota 1937. Ford is one of the biggest car makers in the world, and has had a few firsts that other brands then copied. It may have had the most influential car ever. If there is a brand that has great prestige, it's Mercedes Benz, Citroen and Ford. IMHO. Those were the big ones, the innovators.

Oh, and just in my opinion the outgoing Mondeo may be one of the sexiest and best looking D segment car, period. Not just in Malaysia.
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Prestige in Ford & Citroen??
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post Jun 7 2013, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Jun 7 2013, 02:38 PM)
subaru nice, but a little too cold in our market, maybe in a couple of years it will warm up. but at that 250 to 280 region, plenty of great choices out there.

All these are just way below 200K. Subaru legacy, i am sure it is one hell of a car.

But no matter how, in a Malaysian Mindset. it is always dream car Mercedes, BMW and Audi. As for Subaru, volvo, ford, and so on are just something where most Malaysians 90 % of them try to avoid. At 200 K and Above they wont risk their hard earn money to buy a Legacy and being shy away by the majority of Merc and BMW owners. Its a psychology thing. And some Ego as well.
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Maybe later when the new WRX come, it might warm up more for Subaru.
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post Jun 8 2013, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 8 2013, 02:04 AM)
Ford Model T? Citroen Traction Avant, DS?

Absolutely groundbreaking cars. If Citroen were to release a car today that was as far ahead of its time as the DS was when launched, it would have to be electric and have the ability to fly at mach speed. It was ridiculously advanced. Not even the Tesla Model S can get close in terms of being ahead of its time.
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Maybe groundbreaking but not prestige. smile.gif Ferrari, Bentley etc. are prestige.
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post Jun 27 2013, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(kongbingleek @ Jun 27 2013, 01:01 AM)
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Obsolete engine..so what? It's a V6. Still better than 4 cyl minus fc. The sound of it creamy smooth. Your Camry K5 can fight?  whistling.gif
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Yeah, old does not mean bad. Back then many engines and cars might actually made stronger/more durable and already well proven to be almost bullet proof, compared to newer stuff nowadays which are manufactured with cost constraints/savings very much in mind.

 

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