None both suck

I own neither but if given the choice, m6 for sure. It's overall package appeals to me alot more.

Teana looks more suited for 'seniors' aka uncles.

Having said this, don't compare between 2.5 and 2.0L guys... not logical baseline for comparison.

Canno afford D segment don't buy D segment loh, like u buy a Forte EX pay 9 years loan somemore want to refinancing, now end up need to keep the car for 10 years.

I am not buying BMW bicycle for my kid, BMX maybe

Why don't u PM me i'll give u special offer for Navara Truck if not enough UD Lorry sure can fit in Furniture, LOL... why u intend to buy ? Bed ?

Why should they pay another 10K extra for a smaller Vios & Fiesta ?? Almera is cheaper & bigger.

No lah i think ur brain (if u happen to have one) is about to blown.

The facts that I've posted left you speechless? Therefore you try to divert to C-segment and brought up unrelated car into this thread? Another diversion technique used by losers.

My comment clearly stating comparing D-segment vs D-segment. If I go for Mazda 6, Sonata/Optima, Camry or Accord, they all return around 9km/L light driving while in heavier city traffic at worst is 8km/L. Present day standard D-segment 8-9km/L city driving, those who buy D-segment still care about FC. Those who don't care about FC are rich tycoon that buy BMW, Merc, Lambo cash. Understand?

Whereas if you go for Teana 2.5L V6, you are getting only 6km/L, then what for you pay so much for the fuel. You talk about handling OUT, talk about build quality overall not just the insulation OUT, talk about RV sure out, talk about maintenance expensive, talk about practicality, OUT. Talk about strength, OUT also despite so big engine yet heavier than those D-segments I mentioned. Unless it's Skyline G25, then no point buying this fuel guzzling, high maintenance and narrowest cost cutting, scored lowest on safety rating and failed handling Teana. RV could end up worse than Cefiro A32/33 anytime due to less conventional car design.


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Since you bought the Sylphy with CRA2Y discount at RM107k, tell me what do you get out of it? Did you buy it because you can't afford proper Japanese C-segment such as Altis, Mazda 3, Civic, Lancer or conti VW, therefore you bought the Sylphy 2.0 with high overtrade willing to accept your poor RV N16 Sentra more than you can sell outside? If you bought Sylphy instead of Altis, therefore you get more of these cons than pros:
- Narrower than N16 Sentra inside, can't even fit 3 full size adults.
- Straight right rear seats with poor thigh support, part of your thighs are left dangling outside the oyster seats despite got legroom
- Outside also narrow, you go next to any C-segment, you are dwarfed.
- Not fuel saving after all, 8.9km/L
- Maintenance high, every 20,000km later you tell me. RM600 oops! ATF fluid change. CVT gearbox if steelbelt dislocated or moveable face worn out, you'll cry
- Handling failed, can't even perform defensive driving while cruising within safety speed limit, example on that straight highway is either 80, 90, 100 or 100km/h.
- Low practicality, any household item that is slightly bigger, you'll have to pay for transportation due to no split fold.
- First year RV drop to less than RM75k, 2 more years lower than cheaper Forte 2.0L. You can put asking price RM85k but end up no caller.

The list could go further down if you wanted to. These won't happen if you gone for Altis dual VVTi. Forte 2.0L also give you more happiness despite no effort placed by NASA.




This post has been edited by jayraptor: May 31 2013, 09:20 PM

Hey.. cool down man, what makes you so pissed off, everybody can voice up their thoughts.
Indeed your earlier reply implying that all nissan car on road should have all engine overheated/blown, while i don't think so.

My n16, pretty reliable, except the changing the crankshaft position sensor after ~12 years, still serve me well currently in 280k km mileage (no need overhaul yet.. touch wood). Run over a spare tire ~60km/h, but drive shaft still ok, just change absorber + alignment.

Nissan is targeting different league of customer, even up to the high range nissan fuga, the suspension setting focus on shock absorption/comfort, softer than other contender. For handling focus driver, they may choose other car. You miss the part that defensive driving including how well you know/control your car, e.g. keeping proper distance your car can handle/brake/speed. That is the reason why a vios turned turtle on penang bridge.
I really appreciate the n16 original soft suspension when going over bumpy/patching road, compare to forte/elentra (the damp rate is very fast), because my heart feels less shocking. I don't prefer forte because of my own preference, but i won't say forte/elantra is no good.

The curve of the body (Teana) is different from honda/camry/lexus/hyundai/kia, i feel could be a little touch from french (e.g. citroen c6), elegant.

Nissan also has different direction in engine setting (passenger car), compromise peak power to achieve better torque at lower rpm (QG series, and also current slyphy), at conservative compression ratio (lower than 10:1), only post 2004/2005 mr/hr series engine having compression ratio 10:1 and above. Lower compression ratio may translate to less sensitivity to fuel quality and less prone to reliability problem.

CVT has its advantage and I haven't heard sylphy cvt gearbox break down yet. Even torque converter auto box has its life span.

So what's the conclusion huh, TS? After reading all the moments , don't tell me u go get Camry hor.

Under Consideration .... hahahaha

I am trying to wake that kimsim up. N16 and Cefiro were the last quality cars from N-brand. When Japan phased out N-16 and Cefiro, N-brand marketing bunch here gained more freedom over the 2 products and they get to choose which part to remove.

If yours is the SG-L or earlier Sentra N16, fine as they still have ABS. Those idiots pandai2 removed the ABS from the '08 Sentra Sport SG. Want to give strong brake grip but remove ABS end up easily get wheel lock even at just 60km/h? Keeping proper distance is a must but fact is, emergency braking is required sometimes to evade unexpected obstacle such as boulder that can be spotted on middle of dark road at very last minute, etc.
- If it's old Iswara without ABS, it does not come with strong grip. The same goes to many older 80's Japanese cars.
- To prove this, you remove the ABS from Lancer fitted with 15" brake caliper, 1 slightly harder force by accident at just 60km/h could send it into wheel lock where it'll skid 5 cars distance due to strong grip.

Wonder why they stated Sentra Sport when they removed ABS in the first place? 2007 onwards, they bring in cost cutting substandard alternative Sylphy and Teana that are meant for poorer nation. Some cars are sold in Japan suited for the tax rate for the not so rich Japanese. It is not because it is good. US Altima and Sentra '07 are the actual global models that replaced our Cefiro and Sentra N16. As long as the car is made reliable, tuning to 10.5 also won't give problem.

You have only solved 1 out of the 3 things that'll cause overheat issue. However, that happens to every 1 out of 10 owners that SC always have previous victim blown engine block that was restored on standby for next victim. If N16 engine blown, they'll change the blown engine with earlier victim's engine restored and they could get the engine refitted in less than 1 week. Cost for inline4 engine RM4k+ N16 cheaper, followed by X-Trail 2.0 then X-Trail 2.5. Cefiro A33 not exceeding RM6k. Sylphy and Teana don't have temperature gauge therefore if such thing happen, they'll have to stop immediately when they see yellow warning indicator before turning red.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 1 2013, 10:58 PM

I have to agree with you on the non-ABS of the later Sentra Sport. Very surprised that it was removed from the previous versions, like suddenly going back to the late 80s-early 90s where none of the cars in this class had any ABS!

As for not having temp gauge/indicator, that's also what I hate about many recent cars! This is not just Nissan but also others like Toyota Vios & Honda City!

Come on, the name is marketing strategy. E.g. some base trim call comfort/elegance, sure not calling it cheapest trim.

Most people knows abs, but it is still depends on the driver, every system has the limit. U expect car with vcs/abs/ebd will not involve in accident? They help to control better only. By the way, by keeping proper distance, u wont need to brake so hard that activating abs/ebd. Driving beyond the car capability is problem.

Sylphy is capable of achieving good fuel consumption around 1.6 NA region (under less jam condition), not bad for a 2.0. Of course the figure is less catchy as mazda aggressive skyactiv 13:1 compression ratio. Indeed the mazda detune it for ron95 fuel.

Sylphy is comfort oriented, that some people do appreciate, tired after work, especially some bumpy part of ns highway or trunk road. And it is ok for normal drive/cruise, not doing stunt anyway.

What tcsc do is fine. As owner can opt to buy new engine and wait longer, but how many willing to spend that much?

Please keep those judgmental phrase to yourself.

@Jayraptor

How come simple simple add me in? Don't pull me into water... I am not driving Teana.. In the old timer you really can't appreciate of Cefiro that kind of comfort D-Segment car... No wonder you still stick with a little chick as name Forte.

Wanna be enjoy for ride as boss then still worry about claim as high FC Lol..

If I am you just jump into river or sea.. Human life's got how many years can be going the end..

Got money sure you will be Teana lah.. Or keep as Kia Optima that stupid suck fuel car.

How came you never offer about Optima at all & stick with a little Forte ha ha..

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 2 2013, 01:43 AM

Lets focus back to thread. No more flame.

Teana 2.5 for comfort, Mazda 6 2.0 for handling, both good car depends what buyer want, there is no absolute superior car, simple as that.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jun 2 2013, 10:33 PM

That's why if you believe him, all the road has been replace with Forte at all.

He has been repeating this nonsensical comments in AW for hundreds of times (No jokes really in hundreds), no one listen to him anymore over there, thats why he shift his craps over here in LYF.
He is indeed king of repeating, didn't he talk about this over & over again in AW, really "Sam Tok Pei". Lol...
The road r full of Forte EX only, since he said he worry the SX model push start might failed, that why he settled for cheaper EX kosong, can't tahan this joker.

Forte EX kosong comes with 16 inch stock rims still clock very poor in FC and can't imaging if he bought the SX comes with 17 inch lagi worst and maybe the history to be forte of Kia an not Nissan anymore... Lol

I think his one is the 15" steel rim

Check check dunno is 4AT or not?

Jeez guys, always when coming to comparo.. sure got fire.

Nobody should be forced or needs to agree with everyone. So just let it be. Agree to disagree k.

Hi 6UE5T,
What to do? Those local N-brand employed non-technical useless bunch to handle technical parts. So they think ABS not that important compared to Airbags so they pandai2 removed the ABS for its N16 Sports variant. That explains why you can find 1 whole stretch of crashed N16 at SC for insurance claim under certain season. It sounds weirdly coincidence but true. They all happen to hit on the front left fender/mudguard all due to wheel lock. Accident is more important than prevention is their Sports definition?

Yes, I find it CRA2Y to remove the temp gauge/indicator. Seems like carmakers hoping for more owners to blow their car engines due to late warning so that they could earn more from overhauling.


jolokia & kimsim,
My Forte EX 1.6L 4AT 2010 model came with free bodykit and 15" sports rim bought at RM75k no discount at all. Only SA giving full tank fuel + 2 bottles of mineral water. In comparison with my N16 Sentra, my colleagues' Sylphy and Latio>> the Forte has comparable FC and cheaper maintenance, so good that it is equivalent to Altis 1.6L.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 3 2013, 09:47 PM