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 2013 New Teana 2.5L v6 or Madza 6 2.0 L, Which is worth to buy ?

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tonychua
post May 19 2013, 10:51 PM

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try Ford Mondeo 2.0 ecoboost aka turbo hehe
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post May 19 2013, 11:19 PM

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too bad we dun have a real mazda service center in kota kinabalu, its sharing with hyundai one. not so satisfied.
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post May 19 2013, 11:43 PM

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Mazda Co. can't compare with Nissan Motor Co, no matter in terms of R&D capability and engineering level (Eg: GT-R35 vs Rotary Engine). Nissan Teana wons!
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post May 19 2013, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(weisun @ May 19 2013, 11:43 PM)
Mazda Co. can't compare with Nissan Motor Co, no matter in terms of R&D capability and engineering level (Eg: GT-R35 vs Rotary Engine). Nissan Teana wons!
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cant say anything bad related to skyactive engine..still new. but yep, nissan VQ series had won best engine award for number of years. smile.gif
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post May 20 2013, 08:47 PM

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Any Teana 2.5L V6 owner ....May i know what is the FC for City Drive 100% ??
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post May 21 2013, 10:18 AM

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Hi there,

Looks is subjective. To you, Mazda 6 looks better than Teana. To me, the Teana looks better than the Mazda 6. Subjective. Though it is suffice to say that the Mazda 6 looks more sporty with its fierce stance. I prefer the more elegant, composed and sedated looks of the Teana than the more sporty looks of the Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling. I think most here have said it pretty well. NIssan vehicles, Sylphy upwards, particularly the Teana, has one of the most refined, quiet and comfortable drive in comparison to the equivalent Japanese counterparts such as HOnda Accord, Mazda 6 or even Toyota Camry. Try to drive and compare yourself. If you want quiet, refined and comfortable, the Teana wins.

If you want sporty, take bends fast and furious style, 0-100km/h acceleration etc. then I would think the Mazda 6 wins. However, the Teana is no slouch, just not aimed at a more spirited driving style like the Mazda 6.

Personally it depends on what you want. A more comfortable or quiet drive, a more spirited, dynamic or sporty drive. Looks is another thing, which is subjective.

Personally I take the Teana. I dont' like the Mazda looks. To each his own.


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post May 21 2013, 10:42 PM

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must ask TS, which one you like better?
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post May 21 2013, 10:44 PM

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mazda 6 looks sexy

teana...no comments but really nice car

but mazda sc how?

cx5 is very nice
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post May 21 2013, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 21 2013, 10:18 AM)
Hi there,

Looks is subjective. To you, Mazda 6 looks better than Teana. To me, the Teana looks better than the Mazda 6. Subjective. Though it is suffice to say that the Mazda 6 looks more sporty with its fierce stance. I prefer the more elegant, composed and sedated looks of the Teana than the more sporty looks of the Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling. I think most here have said it pretty well. NIssan vehicles, Sylphy upwards, particularly the Teana, has one of the most refined, quiet and comfortable drive in comparison to the equivalent Japanese counterparts such as HOnda Accord, Mazda 6 or even Toyota Camry. Try to drive and compare yourself. If you want quiet, refined and comfortable, the Teana wins.

If you want sporty, take bends fast and furious style, 0-100km/h acceleration etc. then I would think the Mazda 6 wins. However, the Teana is no slouch, just not aimed at a more spirited driving style like the Mazda 6.

Personally it depends on what you want. A more comfortable or quiet drive, a more spirited, dynamic or sporty drive. Looks is another thing, which is subjective.

Personally I take the Teana. I dont' like the Mazda looks. To each his own.
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Teana only relies on thicker sound insulation, more soft touch material and leather seats to make people think its outdated engine & CVT feels refine. Also, to fit more sensitive drive plate on its drive by wire pedal to hide the sluggish feel due to smaller first few gears in its slow response obsolete CVT gearbox.

Looks wise, the vote goes to Mazda 6 inside and outside. Elegance wise, luxury wise, they all go to Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling, Mazda 6 wins. Performance and handling aren't for reckless driving but instead they are part of passive safety allowing you to swerve away from unexpected obstacles safely without losing control.

Practicality, reliability & durability all goes to Mazda 6. It's still using handbrake rather than less practical on the floor parking brake. In terms of emergency, passenger can help to pull the handbrake example, driver passed out.

Teana is narrowest D-segment, at 1795mm that is only 20mm wider than Forte and 10mm wider than Cruze? Other D-segments are all over 1820mm. They are wider outside but inside only comparable or slightly bigger than Teana because they are made with thicker frame/pillars to pass US/EU safety rating especially on side impact. Mazda needless to say in reality, they are 1 of the best in safety rating.

Maintenance wise, the CVT gearbox in Teana is expensive at RM600 with relatively short service interval of approximately 20,000km. Change ATF fluid also they have to use diagnostic tools (RM80 per use) to check gearbox condition. If go for Teana 2.5 V6, more higher maintenance as there are always 2 sets of additional item for the extra 2 cylinders. That is 2 spark plugs, 2 HT cables, 2 distributorless ports, 2 piston rings, 2 valves, etc.

FC wise, Teana lost to Mazda 6 be it 2.0L or 2.5L. Anything measurable is never subjective.
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post May 22 2013, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 21 2013, 11:02 PM)
Teana only relies on thicker sound insulation, more soft touch material and leather seats to make people think its outdated engine & CVT feels refine. Also, to fit more sensitive drive plate on its drive by wire pedal to hide the sluggish feel due to smaller first few gears in its slow response obsolete CVT gearbox.

Looks wise, the vote goes to Mazda 6 inside and outside. Elegance wise, luxury wise, they all go to Mazda 6.

Performance, ride and handling, Mazda 6 wins. Performance and handling aren't for reckless driving but instead they are part of passive safety allowing you to swerve away from unexpected obstacles safely without losing control.

Practicality, reliability & durability all goes to Mazda 6. It's still using handbrake rather than less practical on the floor parking brake. In terms of emergency, passenger can help to pull the handbrake example, driver passed out.

Teana is narrowest D-segment, at 1795mm that is only 20mm wider than Forte and 10mm wider than Cruze? Other D-segments are all over 1820mm. They are wider outside but inside only comparable or slightly bigger than Teana because they are made with thicker frame/pillars to pass US/EU safety rating especially on side impact. Mazda needless to say in reality, they are 1 of the best in safety rating.

Maintenance wise, the CVT gearbox in Teana is expensive at RM600 with relatively short service interval of approximately 20,000km. Change ATF fluid also they have to use diagnostic tools (RM80 per use) to check gearbox condition. If go for Teana 2.5 V6, more higher maintenance as there are always 2 sets of additional item for the extra 2 cylinders. That is 2 spark plugs, 2 HT cables, 2 distributorless ports, 2 piston rings, 2 valves, etc.

FC wise, Teana lost to Mazda 6 be it 2.0L or 2.5L. Anything measurable is never subjective.
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Not too sure where you got the outdated engine and slow response CVT gearbox from. At the end of the day, the Teana is still more comfortable, quiet and refined than the Mazda 6. And yes, the sound insulation on the Teana is better than the Mazda 6. The interior of the Teana is more "homely" than the one in the Mazda 6.

Yet again, I am not sure on your comment about the vote of looks going to Mazda 6 inside out, whether it's solely your own opinion or the majority of the people. For what it's worth, although the looks of the Mazda 6 is more desirable than the Teana, or it is more elegant and luxurious than the Teana, the sales of the Teana exceed the Mazda 6 by quite a margin.

Ride and handling, the Mazda 6 may have an edge, though any sane driver wouldn't rely on the passive safety features to prevent the car from losing control which results in accidents.

May I ask where did you get the idea of the Mazda 6 being more practical, reliable and durable than the Teana? Would appreciate some information to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just pure drivel on your part.

Not too sure about maintenance and FC of the Mazda 6 having and edge over the Teana, though I do think overall maintenance of the Teana may be slightly cheaper than the Mazda. Maintenance of Nissan vehicles are among the cheapest if compared to other Japanese makes. Perhaps you are referring to maintenance at specific intervals.

FC wise, don't think this would matter too much for those considering a vehicle in this class, a 2.0 or 2.5, since they won't be registering good FC anyway in comparison to a 1.6 or 1.8. Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.
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post May 22 2013, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 22 2013, 07:29 AM)
FC wise, don't think this would matter too much for those considering a vehicle in this class, a 2.0 or 2.5, since they won't be registering good FC anyway in comparison to a 1.6 or 1.8. Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.
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I think TS should not worry about the FC on the new Teana. I am familiar with V6 engines and I can tell you...they drink fuel like a thirsty horse in a desert.

The TS may be interested to know that the next generation Teana could be launching soon. The best part, it looks much much better the the current version, a bit more like Infiniti and it will be available with 4 pot 2.0 and 2.5 engines.

Cool eh?...coool!

here's a pic for u to enjoy...

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more pics at the source - 2014 Nissan Teana

Having tested the Mazda 6 and the Teana earlier, i can say that where ride and handling are concerned, Teana offers more comfort compared to the Mazda 6. I personally felt that the Mazda 6 has a more sporty feel at the expense of comfort.

One-two-Juice! thumbup.gif

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post May 22 2013, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 22 2013, 07:29 AM)
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Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.
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Not necessarily. A small engine forced to push a heavy weight may actually consume more fuel.

QUOTE(MTB_King @ May 22 2013, 07:06 PM)
I think TS should not worry about the FC on the new Teana. I am familiar with V6 engines and I can tell you...they drink fuel like a thirsty horse in a desert.
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Hmm based on your experience, how many kms/ltr on average? I'd like to get some comparison as well since I'm now driving a 2.5ltr V6.
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QUOTE(tonychua @ May 19 2013, 10:51 PM)
try Ford Mondeo 2.0 ecoboost aka turbo hehe
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Mondeo 2.0 Ecoboost sold out liao, kena sapu habis. Fusion coming soon... biggrin.gif

TS concern abt RV, Ford is not in his list.... but if u compare performance, driving dynamic/handling & safety features with spaces cabin...Mondeo is the way to go... brows.gif


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Mazda 6, need NO explanation.
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post May 22 2013, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(klaatu08 @ May 22 2013, 07:40 PM)
Mondeo 2.0 Ecoboost sold out liao, kena sapu habis.  Fusion coming soon...  biggrin.gif

TS concern abt RV, Ford is not in his list.... but if u compare performance, driving dynamic/handling & safety features with spaces cabin...Mondeo is the way to go...  brows.gif
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sold out? u sure bro?
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post May 22 2013, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ May 22 2013, 07:20 PM)
Not necessarily. A small engine forced to push a heavy weight may actually consume more fuel.
Hmm based on your experience, how many kms/ltr on average? I'd like to get some comparison as well since I'm now driving a 2.5ltr V6.
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Hi there... what is your current Fc now ? are you always drive in city ??
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QUOTE(gcoolw @ May 22 2013, 10:09 PM)
Hi there... what is your current Fc now ? are you always drive in city ??
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So far my best is about 10.7kms/ltr combined city/highway on RON95 with daily route thru Tun Razak during evening rush hour. Not so bad for a 2.5ltr V6 with >210HP RWD car...I think. I'm now measuring it again after changing to the correct spark plug (last time was using wrong plug type) and decarbonizing.
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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 22 2013, 07:29 AM)
Not too sure where you got the outdated engine and slow response CVT gearbox from. At the end of the day, the Teana is still more comfortable, quiet and refined than the Mazda 6. And yes, the sound insulation on the Teana is better than the Mazda 6. The interior of the Teana is more "homely" than the one in the Mazda 6.

Yet again, I am not sure on your comment about the vote of looks going to Mazda 6 inside out, whether it's solely your own opinion or the majority of the people. For what it's worth, although the looks of the Mazda 6 is more desirable than the Teana, or it is more elegant and luxurious than the Teana, the sales of the Teana exceed the Mazda 6 by quite a margin.

Ride and handling, the Mazda 6 may have an edge, though any sane driver wouldn't rely on the passive safety features to prevent the car from losing control which results in accidents.

May I ask where did you get the idea of the Mazda 6 being more practical, reliable and durable than the Teana? Would appreciate some information to back up your claims. Otherwise, it's just pure drivel on your part.

Not too sure about maintenance and FC of the Mazda 6 having and edge over the Teana, though I do think overall maintenance of the Teana may be slightly cheaper than the Mazda. Maintenance of Nissan vehicles are among the cheapest if compared to other Japanese makes. Perhaps you are referring to maintenance at specific intervals.

FC wise, don't think this would matter too much for those considering a vehicle in this class, a 2.0 or 2.5, since they won't be registering good FC anyway in comparison to a 1.6 or 1.8. Realistically, a 2.5 V6 will use up more fuel than a 2.0, but will come with the thrill of more power on tap.
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What do you know about the word "refined" in the first place? Taking the 2.0L engine, minus the excessive soundproof insulation in Teana, it is not queiter than Mazda 6. The word refined, you only use it when comparing and old 80's or 90's tech car against a newer tech car. Teana homely or not, fact is it has narrowest width of 1795mm using boxy flat sides design with thinner pillars and frames in order to get you the similar interior width of Camry inside. This is called cost cutting and forgo the safety measure.

If you took the older Mazda 6 2008 to compare, its chassis is designed as sports sedan and its inside is much narrower due to thicker pillar/frame and more aerodyanmic side design. The newer Mazda 6 gives you interior space and also thicker pillars/frame and more aerodynamic sides. Also, less flat sides would absorb less impact from side collision.

Handling is 1 of major factor in evading accident allowing you to avoid object safely without losing control. Teana suspension setup stance is like almost flat angle and it's no better than Camry, Accord and any other D-segment without VSC and with VSC categories. Since most would go for D-segment low spec that has no VSC, that Teana handling is considered bad.

Maintenance wise, Teana CVT gearbox is high as it is the same gearbox in Sylphy. RM600 at 20,000km interval. Toyota is most reliable & durable, made simple and easy repair. Why bother to send to SC for service after warranty. Ori parts outside not expensive anyway, I could easily buy them and fix it at any trustworthy workshops run by certified engineers. Mazda is actually much more reliable than N-brand that has history of engine blown due to excessive overheating issues. When there are more and more Mazda on the road, spare part suppliers would import bulk spare parts and if Mazda SC doesn't do things well, you can still send it to proper workshops outside for normal service. Only major issues send to SC after warranty ended.

I am comparing FC between Teana 2.0 vs Mazda 6 2.0 and Teana 2.5 V6 vs Mazda 6 2.5L. Mazda won in both due to new dual SVT & GDi tech + stronger gearbox > 3.6 first gear yet lighter due to hot stamping technique. Teana gearbox tiny first gear 2,3 while reverse 1.7 are too weak to push the car from idle. Teana design put too much weight to the head with its heavy 2.5L V6 is just wasting fuel yet can't beat Sonata YF 2.4L in whatever thrill. FC only 6km/L in city driving just wanted to hear V6 sound?

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 22 2013, 10:20 PM)
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I am comparing FC between Teana 2.0 vs Mazda 6 2.0 and Teana 2.5 V6 vs Mazda 6 2.5L. Mazda won in both due to new dual SVT & GDi tech + stronger gearbox > 3.6 first gear yet lighter due to hot stamping technique. Teana gearbox tiny first gear 2,3 while reverse 1.7 are too weak to push the car from idle. Teana design put too much weight to the head with its heavy 2.5L V6 is just wasting fuel yet can't beat Sonata YF 2.4L in whatever thrill. FC only 6km/L in city driving just wanted to hear V6 sound?
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What's the real (not Mazda factory claim) FC of Mazda 6 2.5ltr measured combined average city/highway from 100% full tank to at least 25% tank left? Just curious for comparison, thx.
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QUOTE(tonychua @ May 22 2013, 09:56 PM)
sold out? u sure bro?
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thats what my SA told me lor, my friend wanna get one and went to my SA & that is what he was told.

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