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 VR/AR HMD Club - Oculus Rift, HTC Vive, PS VR, HoloLens, Magic Leap, Windows MR

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post Jul 20 2018, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(hpares @ Jul 20 2018, 01:18 PM)
I tried vive before. Kinda able to see pixel and no too clear for me. Maybe is because using  gtx 1060. I heard rift have better resolution while oddysey have the highest resolution for now.
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It's actually same resolution for both vive and oculus. I think Oculus is just better software side making it nicer. I tried both, i just care more about tracking than resolution. Better tracking just means better gameplay experience. I play on PSVR which doesn't look as good but still enjoy it so no issues for me.

Might just wait for a newer hmd to be out, seems more worth it for the long run.
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post Jul 20 2018, 02:16 PM

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HTC Vive and Oculus both have same resolution, not sure about Vive, but Oculus you have option to increase image sharpness by increasing supersampling in Oculus Debug tool, this is possible as long you have enough juice from your GPU.

In terms of tracking, Vive uses laser tracking system while Oculus uses camera tracking system. On paper, laser is more accurate.
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post Jul 20 2018, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(FluffyTee @ Jul 20 2018, 10:45 AM)
As much i love my vive, watching HTC as a company losing money every year is scary. their poor customer service makes it worst.
On the better side, vive is very establish with alot of customization (soft ware and hardware accessories). tracking was said to be slightly better for the hands. partly because its inside out (in contrast to outside-in for rift, hence data from each camera needs to be sent to the PC and calculated).
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Remember HTC is only the marketing bit, the actual engineering is coming from Valve and Valve is doing reasonably well at least from whatever you can imply via Steam sales and news reports. Nobody knows for sure since it's a private company but development money is not what I worry about on the Vive.

Still I can't expect everything to stay the same, the VR/AR market is still new and realistically, very small with no killer app so I think there will be some consolidation and major changes in the future. Enjoying the Vive while I still can biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tishaban @ Jul 20 2018, 03:34 PM)

Still I can't expect everything to stay the same, the VR/AR market is still new and realistically, very small with no killer app so I think there will be some consolidation and major changes in the future. Enjoying the Vive while I still can  biggrin.gif
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yup, other than price, another key reason is no killer app yet. Or I should say, hard to market VR without getting people to try it.

So far I think only Beat Saber gameplay video manage to grab people's attention.

Others gameplay video didn't get to translate the actual level of immersion the actual gameplay so people can't really get hooked until they put the HMD on.

Because gameplay videos only manage to show 2D video, the sense of immersion is not there.
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Main reason is still the price point. No one wants to dump like 2k-3k for a vr hmd. That doesn't even include the rig yet. So yeah until it gets very affordable then a lot more will jump in.
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hmm what define as killer app? I know some ppl who have a VR HMD rarely go on their desktop anymore unless needed. Once u see the degree of spatial depth, u wont like flat models anymore.

In my honest opinion, there is a lack of awareness and exposure and misconception. Many have not tried VR has assume they know what it is based on looking at demos on a flat panel/screen. Some even assume 360 videos as VR. Im not sure if u have tried VR but there is no way to describe it and compare it with a flat screen.

Another issue is the cost of getting a VR head set, as others have mentioned. Its unfortunate some people compares VR HMD as a gaming controller, therefore the assumption of it being expensive.
VR HMD is not a gaming controller, it follows and classifies as a desktop monitor category in most manufacturers, customs and warranty policies.
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post Jul 23 2018, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(FluffyTee @ Jul 21 2018, 11:38 AM)

In my honest opinion, there is a lack of awareness and exposure and misconception. Many have not tried VR has assume they know what it is based on looking at demos on a flat panel/screen.  Some even assume 360 videos as VR. Im not sure if u have tried VR but there is no way to describe it and compare it with a flat screen.

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yup exactly, and its hard to tell people how real VR feels like unless they really experience it themselves, because no videos or gameplay recording can translate the 3D VR environment that player feels when being in VR.

Being a CV1 seller, people often compare or ask me is it as good as Samsung Gear VR sweat.gif . I tell them, this is so much more than Samsung Gear VR.
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The other alternative that VR/AR will take off is when there is super strong sales and backing from businesses/industry. Think VR/AR for all training in oil and gas or VR required for driving classes before you actually drive on the road etc. With that level of sales supporting development of the hardware by Valve/Oculus, the trickle down effect is that consumer level VR/AR will continue to flourish despite low sales from the general public.

Anyway, I'm thinking of selling off my HTC Vive and getting the Vive Pro biggrin.gif Bought in November 2016, asking maybe RM1,800? Anyone interested?
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QUOTE(tishaban @ Jul 23 2018, 10:43 PM)
The other alternative that VR/AR will take off is when there is super strong sales and backing from businesses/industry. Think VR/AR for all training in oil and gas or VR required for driving classes before you actually drive on the road etc. With that level of sales supporting development of the hardware by Valve/Oculus, the trickle down effect is that consumer level VR/AR will continue to flourish despite low sales from the general public.
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Hopefully we start to see more of it in commercial use. Here there's already some companies I've met adopting it, selling large size medical equipment using VR to showcase the equipment, bringing property buyer to go through virtual show unit, etc.
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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Jul 23 2018, 09:06 AM)
yup exactly, and its hard to tell people how real VR feels like unless they really experience it themselves, because no videos or gameplay recording can translate the 3D VR environment that player feels when being in VR.

Being a CV1 seller, people often compare or ask me is it as good as Samsung Gear VR  sweat.gif . I tell them, this is so much more than Samsung Gear VR.
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compare with Gear VR still ok lagi la.. last time when i plan to buy the Rift my friend offer me his RM10 VR Box..he got pening after 5 minute playing it sweat.gif
many people were spoiled by this google cardboard vr standard
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post Aug 11 2018, 04:41 AM

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QUOTE(HaHeHo @ Aug 13 2018, 10:52 PM)
just curious. how expensive is building a rig (PC specs +VR accessories) currently?
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hard to give an accurate estimate. the entry price is gradually dropping, this is due to,
newer hardware /old hardware being cheaper
Better software optimization
new competitive priced VR headsets.

if ur looking at the most minimum,
a GTX 1050TI and latest intel i5 processor with Acer WMR would be bare minimum.


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post Aug 14 2018, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(HaHeHo @ Aug 14 2018, 10:29 PM)
well... ah got Zotac GTX1050 ti OC up mah rig. Just need ta upgrade G4560 and git da Acer WMR thingy. I5 6500 is fine, rite?  Btw, wat's up with forcing C-type USB as standard cable for VR? Saw sumtin 'bout it a few days ago on9 but TLDR.
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If ur buying now, a better processor is reccomended. Vr just entered consumer level in 2016, when hardware barely make it possible.. And i expect requirement to be always high for next couple of years?
But if budget is the issue, then i5 6500 is enugh. May wanna topup ram to 16gb.
Note: u ll also need original windows 10 and bluetooth adapter for any WMR to work.

The type c thingy is just guess. Its not gonna happen for now as pc and laptops all use usb 3.0 and hdmi 2.0. So generally it would be unpractical for any vr manifacturer to use type c usb.

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QUOTE(HaHeHo @ Aug 14 2018, 11:17 PM)
-16gb RAM? Done. bought b4 price hike last year.
-Original Win10? Done. Bought off ebay. cheaply.
-Bluetooth adaptor? is built-in asrock h270m itx/ac ok?
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Built in should work. But based on reddit, alot of users complaint of frequent hand tracking problem. Wmr controllers relies highly on bluetooth for tracking.
I bought a usb 2.0 extender and bluetooth dongle. And hang it up head level to improve tracking.
But thats bcoz i cant tolerate random stutters.

I suggest u dont need to buy one first. Test wif ur build in ones. If controllers keeps losig tracking, then u can go ahead and buy a bt dongle+extender
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anywhere possible to try out Samsung Odyssey or Acer WMR?
Or any user here own it and willing to let me try? tongue.gif
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post Aug 15 2018, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Aug 15 2018, 12:21 AM)
anywhere possible to try out Samsung Odyssey or Acer WMR?
Or any user here own it and willing to let me try?  tongue.gif
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why Acer WMR instead of Oculus Rift? Amazon deliver to your doorstep around 2K

from my experience, 8GB RAM and GTX1060 6GB already deliver a smooth VR gaming with Rift
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If getting a new graphics card wait till end of this month. New Nvidia cards on the way, since they announced Turing already for non-consumers. Next is consumer a week or two from now
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QUOTE(WingZero @ Aug 15 2018, 09:25 AM)
why Acer WMR instead of Oculus Rift? Amazon deliver to your doorstep around 2K

from my experience, 8GB RAM and GTX1060 6GB already deliver a smooth VR gaming with Rift
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Amazon also deliveres both headsets to doorstep. The cost between oculus rift and and acer wmr is about 399(+ 70 for 360 degree tracking)usd vs 250 usd.
He ask for the cheapest hmd and he has gtx 1050ti
Although both headsets and further lower their minimum spec to gtx 1050TI now, i would expect oculus to perform slightly better bcoz it has less pixel to deliver, at cost of resolution and sde.

But now to think of it, he dint say to exclude those lower cost vr hmd without positional tracking. Do u have suggestions?
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Wow didnt realized WMR dropped so much as previously its not 250 USD. Now even I am tempted to try lol.

So far I only manage to play with PSVR, Gear VR, Oculus Go and Oculus Rift.

Out of these my choice will be Rift as it's a complete VR set to me especially on the software end.
Unfortunately cant get Vive to be delivered to Malaysia directly.

Btw I tried 1050ti with rift previously in 2017. There's lag. Dont recommend it.

QUOTE(FluffyTee @ Aug 15 2018, 07:10 PM)
Amazon also deliveres both headsets to doorstep. The cost between oculus rift and and acer wmr is about 399(+ 70 for 360 degree tracking)usd vs 250 usd.
He ask for the cheapest hmd and he has gtx 1050ti
Although both headsets and further lower their minimum spec to gtx 1050TI now, i would expect oculus to perform slightly better bcoz it has less pixel to deliver, at cost of resolution and sde.

But now to think of it, he dint say to exclude those lower cost vr hmd without positional tracking. Do u have suggestions?
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