I'm no sifu but I'll try to answer hehe...

Never used WB before so unable to comment on the dilution. It is very strong and should not be used on paint. That's the job for APC or degreaser.

As for APC, I use 1:3 for heavy duty cleaning on rims and neglected paint. Dirty tyres may require full strength. For lighter exterior jobs, 1:5 should be sufficient. On the interior I use 1:8, maybe slightly stronger if the stain is not coming out.

much thanks for the info.

reason i want to know on the dilution is also because KrisMas demonstrated that WB can be used on paint too, for really damn good cleaning strength. of course, a lot of dilution and have to be quickly wiped/rinsed off.

things like these cut down a LOT of time in cleaning off stubborn stains should the need arises

I use both WB & APC at 1:10. For general maintenance, I'm with the thinking that better do more passes or spray more product at weaker dilution than using stronger dilution....not taking any unnessesary risks. Megs reco dilution for both is between 1:4 ~ 1:10. When APC at 1:10 doesn't work I change to Megs Super Degreaser, also at 1:10. I only use WB at max dilution 1:4 to clean wheels with lots of accumulated brake dust. For cleaning interiors (plastic, vinyl, leather&fabric) I use APC at 1:20~25...good enough already for most job.

Don't use the WB for wipe down or like IPA. WB contain surfectants that need to be rinse/clean off. Else if it dries, it could leave some whitish haze on the surface that would need to be polished off. Much like what happened to MyWifeCar when using the OPC.

For WB on paint (to remove water spots - yes, I found that WB also works great for decontamination of light water spots), I also normally use 1:10 on WET surface after normal shampoo wash, and follow up again with another shampoo wash afterwards. Redo at same strength if/when required.

And arj, I think maybe you've mistaken the dilution...sounds like those are for OPC instead for Megs APC.

thanks for the info.

so just a recap, both APC/WB also you'll NEVER use at full strength, and no matter what they will require dilution of 1:4 at the minimum? (which is also the recommended maximum strength of the products?)

Oh...and Quazacolt, I think I also need to explain a little more regarding Megs All Purpose Cleaner, Super Degreaser & Wheel Brightener. Each product in Megs Detailers range are designed for specific job, namely APC for removal of natural soiling, SD for oil or petrolium based contaminant and WB for brake dust. They work great (at least for me) if used for what they are intended for. Use it for something else...well...they might not work as good or as fast. For example, WB don't work as good against mud or soiling on wheels as that would be the job for APC. But APC won't be able to clean those stubborn brake dust as good or as fast as WB.

I haven't tried any of the two NEAT, if that's what you mean. I had tried them at recommended full strength (1:4) but I found that it's just a waste as they have, so far, performed quite satisfactorily (in my case) at 1:10.

that's EXACTLY what i need, much thanks bro

i'll give it a go on 1:10 with both APC and WB, if it does the job, all the better on saving product (less potential harm too not to mention! )

will definitely do a bit of self experience/experiment on the APC/WB on wheels as with Sonax's WCE. if anything, i think my wheels are 100% solved or as some people would probably (in fact my work colleagues are already doing it when i show them what i've gotten/getting rofl) criticize me for over-killing the hell out of the whole wheel cleaning business

Yeah I mainly use OPC but with Duragloss APC also I belasah the same ratio

I am officially shocked at the prices of Meguiar's products in ACE Hardware.

Big price gap between their products and Turtle Wax!

You might want to check Amazon.us for bigger shocks then.

Yeah....that's why some shifted to Duragloss when they were made available locally, which gives more value for money...but still can't beat TW's price though...

Still....you'd need to think of it another way. For example, DG's shampoo is more expensive than TW but it is also more concentrated. You're actually using lesser product and, in the long run, the DG might just cost around the same price or could even be cheaper than TW.....just a thought....

This post has been edited by KrisMas: Jun 4 2013, 09:26 PM

Even more expensive huh?

Well, I just got my car and I'm looking to stock up once and for all the following month. Looking to wash my car by myself as much as possible and also do some detailing. I'll put Duragloss in the list.

I was at ACE just now and was just blur, didn't know what to buy so ended up just buying some Perma Glass microfibre cloths.

I also actually wanted to buy RainX but upon reading it, it says to use on interior glass? Isn't it supposed to be used on windscreens to repel and make water bead?

How about Osren? You can get their stuff at Jalan Ipoh - I'm currently using only their Bubble and Wax shampoo, good bang for buck item IMO. Was previously using TW's F21 Car Shampoo, just loved the citrus scent though

You can wipe rain x inside?

Well.. Price difference of Meg's in the US between brands is considered minimal, it's the local pricing of Meg's that has the huge difference.

I don't see why not though - the proper question would be, what for?

This post has been edited by colinwong89: Jun 4 2013, 10:56 PM

you're probably confused with another product of rain-x, their anti fog, which yes you DO wipe it on your glass interior to prevent fogging.

otherwise, regular rain-x is for exterior only for rain repelling/water beading

Finally gotten my megs professional WB and APC, Just a few more items and my detailing tools will be compete http://twitpic.com/cv8vnc

haha i'm still on f21, currently on their 2nd bottle ever since i started taking up detailing as my hobby (prior that, either months of no wash, or lol bangla)
still a long way to go on finishing them (and i still got a LOT of TW zip wash and wax, like 2 big bottles + 1 small one free, 1 of which i bought cuz on promotion, buy 1 free 1 smaller LOL) so yea, not looking forward to shampoos for a VERY long time.
http://twitpic.com/cj92ft

same goes for my polishing as my TW polish compound is still full ish as i rarely polish my car.
only TW wheel cleaner/paste wax finishing soon, so i can move on to megs WB/sonax WCE/APC combo

oh and for rims, tentatively aiming dodo irongloss sealant, pricing not too steep, and provides decent durability for at least 5-6 months

Tesco Extra sells F21 car wash for cheaper, about RM28 or less the last time I was there. Ace goes for around RM32 I think? It was my first bottle since my foray into detailing as well so the scent has a bit of nostalgia

Currently on Osren's Bubble and Wax. Not bad stuff, about RM33 for 4 litres but you come out smelling like an apricot. Osren recommends a 1:50 dilution ratio, and mixed in with 4 litres of water, it's about 66 cents per wash