trained properly means driving like "ah pek" and "ah poh" which i doubt 70% of the driving population is fond off when they are still asking to raise expressway speedlimits

furthermore, if everyone bikes... not accounting the money a certain someone makes from the automotive industry... many would be out of a job if this were to happen, imagine p1 and p2 cutting jobs up and dowb... bad for rakyat as well...

in theory, yes... it is up to who has the bigger balls to take in more banned substance and endanger themselves... but until the day that the sport itself find ways to effectively police the use of drugs short of invading one's privacy...no one will ever know if everyone is racing clean...

same situation as F1 years ago when they got fed up with teams hiding traction and launch control software within their ECU softwares... they could not tell or find who has it and who hasn't and the best they could do is "not to ban it" as it causes some teams to be furious when they suspect rival teams of having it while they have not (or have it but still wanted to complain) by analyzing off the grid launch videos and engine noises during corner entry and exits...only until recent years that they have found a brilliant way to standardized ECU units across all teams did they re-ban it again...

not an argument to say let riders dope as they like as that is not the very healthiest thing to do... but, there isn't much point to get unsatisfied (from a spectator's POV, unless i am andy riis) at who's who is suspected of doping because this is solely the reasons this guys exist in the first place...because of some humanly impossible feats we choose to believe in, or in other words feats that catches the our attention as we ourselves could not do it...

would i say over the years i have not cast doubts over alberto contador's 2009 verbier ascent? lance's comeback 2.0 at the age of 38? efforts of team astana controlling the 2009 tour peloton almost day in day out (which i think is a harder act than team sky in 2012 for the fact that other big threat teams exists and a more jagged parcours)? lance's attack on pantani at hautacam (with the shaking of the il pirata's bald head when he realizes he could not follow the accelerations) having drawn him into a crazy mano-a-mano combat over 100K's away from the finishing line (yes, proven to be drugs. but still made you question his performance during those days),  not to mention how le doper manage to ride everyone off his wheels after giving "the look" and many other le doper incidences, lemond (even) during his final TT against hinault to win his grand tour title by a measly few seconds (can an aerobar really prove that much difference?), "the cannibal" which we can't leave out come doping? winning many multiple races in the same year while winning the tour or even the triple crown of cycling of double grand tours in a single year (not once, but 3 times in his career... it must have come down to some magic potions)? almost unheard of nowadays when winning the giro-tour combo is admitted to be almost impossible...

yes, wiggins tone on the doping stance might have change from years back like kimmage states, but he has also came into the limelight since 2009 along with the increase of pressure as team captain... but i think to be fair, anyone is gonna get offended being asked the same question repeatedly year in year out... would anyone say mark doped because he too went berserk at some journos when they kept asking lance related or doping questions at press conferences...

if come 2013 team sky can repeat the same act with saxo and radioshack in the play, then it would arouse my curiosity...

having the media manipulating how the spectators think by throwing proven / unproven and facts/theories around and working yourself up is not the best way to enjoy the sport... if you are against wiggins because you were rooting for cadel in 2012... i would have understood a whole lot more the reasons behind it... but just because of some nut jobs trying to prove themselves right and show that they have been abused by armstrong publicly over years of tormented media life is just no reason to... which is why i treat it as an entertainment or else i would have flown to france, camp by the road side for days waiting for the peloton to pass which ends in mere minutes year after year...

having all the bikes at the same weight is also not really making every bike the same... one bike might have a lighter set of wheels with all the ceramic bearings and techno whistles and a chunky frame while the other might be saving watts with an aero shaped wheel at the expense of lightweight while still staying within the same weight limitations... the bikes have already grown to the point that it could be so light that mechanics have to start adding leads to their bikes or use heavier parts just to meet the UCI weight limits... it's a matter of throwing weight around nowadays...

aster bike is taiwan brands?

Anyway what's the best way to lose weight by cycling? Interval? I need to shave off 5kgs!

well, I voluntarily practice 5 feet rule or slow down and I drive pedal to the metal 60-80% of the time. One word, awareness. That's all.

I dont think it would impact the the automotive industry that badly. There is this mechanism that God has put on us, which is called the adjustment period option not to do so is probably long term suffering and imminent death.

To add, if such a massive move would occur.......it would create new jobs and encourage more (low income) investments at a lower level to create a more level income group. I can go on forever, but close la    my 'sifu' ( Iwas an understudy and he didnt receive any formal education what soever) said, 'eat less'

veer off topic but still relevant.

Reminds of a time when I went into a club by accident (real) and girls I dont know suddenly started dancing around me. When I took a closer look, they looked too happy. Oh, the bar served only two things. the first being watered down beer and small bottles of mineral water.

On the contrary, I checked out a halal club co-owned by someone I used to call a friend . The party goers didnt look as happy as the people in the other club I mentioned.   

The choice is yours, on what is considered fun. I dont even want to talk about what happened in Amsterdam  .

To close, I will still have fun revelling in Pantani's or Armstrong's efforts. Ah Wiggins cai, maybe not so much since UCI and whatnots went on a witch hunt. LA did more within and beyond the sport then the lot of them piled up together.

There is a long list of dopers on 'wiki'. Look under 'List of Doping Cases in Cycling', you guys can cross reference with whatever list at hand for the sake of validity.

yes. i bet you have visited Velocipede Works bike shop right?

diet.

strength workout... and ride harder...

no calories intake diet... with just protein based.

in theory, yes... it is up to who has the bigger balls to take in more banned substance and endanger themselves... but until the day that the sport itself find ways to effectively police the use of drugs short of invading one's privacy...no one will ever know if everyone is racing clean...

same situation as F1 years ago when they got fed up with teams hiding traction and launch control software within their ECU softwares... they could not tell or find who has it and who hasn't and the best they could do is "not to ban it" as it causes some teams to be furious when they suspect rival teams of having it while they have not (or have it but still wanted to complain) by analyzing off the grid launch videos and engine noises during corner entry and exits...only until recent years that they have found a brilliant way to standardized ECU units across all teams did they re-ban it again...

not an argument to say let riders dope as they like as that is not the very healthiest thing to do... but, there isn't much point to get unsatisfied (from a spectator's POV, unless i am andy riis) at who's who is suspected of doping because this is solely the reasons this guys exist in the first place...because of some humanly impossible feats we choose to believe in, or in other words feats that catches the our attention as we ourselves could not do it...

would i say over the years i have not cast doubts over alberto contador's 2009 verbier ascent? lance's comeback 2.0 at the age of 38? efforts of team astana controlling the 2009 tour peloton almost day in day out (which i think is a harder act than team sky in 2012 for the fact that other big threat teams exists and a more jagged parcours)? lance's attack on pantani at hautacam (with the shaking of the il pirata's bald head when he realizes he could not follow the accelerations) having drawn him into a crazy mano-a-mano combat over 100K's away from the finishing line (yes, proven to be drugs. but still made you question his performance during those days),  not to mention how le doper manage to ride everyone off his wheels after giving "the look" and many other le doper incidences, lemond (even) during his final TT against hinault to win his grand tour title by a measly few seconds (can an aerobar really prove that much difference?), "the cannibal" which we can't leave out come doping? winning many multiple races in the same year while winning the tour or even the triple crown of cycling of double grand tours in a single year (not once, but 3 times in his career... it must have come down to some magic potions)? almost unheard of nowadays when winning the giro-tour combo is admitted to be almost impossible...

yes, wiggins tone on the doping stance might have change from years back like kimmage states, but he has also came into the limelight since 2009 along with the increase of pressure as team captain... but i think to be fair, anyone is gonna get offended being asked the same question repeatedly year in year out... would anyone say mark doped because he too went berserk at some journos when they kept asking lance related or doping questions at press conferences...

if come 2013 team sky can repeat the same act with saxo and radioshack in the play, then it would arouse my curiosity...

having the media manipulating how the spectators think by throwing proven / unproven and facts/theories around and working yourself up is not the best way to enjoy the sport... if you are against wiggins because you were rooting for cadel in 2012... i would have understood a whole lot more the reasons behind it... but just because of some nut jobs trying to prove themselves right and show that they have been abused by armstrong publicly over years of tormented media life is just no reason to... which is why i treat it as an entertainment or else i would have flown to france, camp by the road side for days waiting for the peloton to pass which ends in mere minutes year after year...

having all the bikes at the same weight is also not really making every bike the same... one bike might have a lighter set of wheels with all the ceramic bearings and techno whistles and a chunky frame while the other might be saving watts with an aero shaped wheel at the expense of lightweight while still staying within the same weight limitations... the bikes have already grown to the point that it could be so light that mechanics have to start adding leads to their bikes or use heavier parts just to meet the UCI weight limits... it's a matter of throwing weight around nowadays...

Good reply. Conclusion is we have to treat this as entertainment. But is it acceptable if you cheered on for a rider, being in awe with his prowess winning stages and idolized him, only to be revealed later that the win is contributed from cheating / doping? We are in no way affected by their action but...it just doesn't sounds right to me 

And yes I agree with you until the day UCI can truly implement a mechanism to ensure the cleanliness of this sports, there will be few journalists or fans that will always questioning the riders.

To put it in a simple explanation, we have to take the sport as entertainment similar to WWE. You know the wrestlers are faking and putting all the drama according to scripts but heck we are still enjoying it. And if we were to take a serious sports such as cycling the same way as watching a WWE match for entertainment purposes, then let them dope all they want and enjoy the fun.

guys any opinion on polygon bikes?
http://www.polygonbikes.com/index.php?pgid...keid=478&par=11
i kinda like this helios A8.0

for slightly over 8k
can get ultegra groupset and also a decent wheelset compare to other brands with similar price.
specs/price ratio is high if wanna evaluate... but still aint popular
is it because of brand? or the carbon frame is not as good?

hey guys ... was thinking of upgrading wheels and budget doesn't cover exotic stuff such as enve or zipps 

So far I've been looking at fulcrum racing 3, mavic ksyrium sl/elite, campy zonda, dura ace 7850/7900 c24,easton ea90 sl. These wheels are within my budget and i've spent the weekend trying to read reviews about them. From what I've gathered, it's expensive to repair/replace spokes on the fulcrum. Mavic ksyrium, depends on luck .. some are bombproof some are lemons  the zonda is basically like the fulcrum with different rear spoke design ? and so far there's been little or no complaints about the dura ace and apparently good value for money.

Does anyone have any experience with any of these wheelsets or any other recommendation ? Basically want a lighter wheelset for climbing and lower rolling resistance compared to my stock alex dc19 rims. Also with the current wheels I really have to fight crosswinds and it's scary especially if there's a vehicle that comes between me and the crosswind while descending   Will changing rims help with this or make this situation even worse ? 

budget limit?

hey guys ... was thinking of upgrading wheels and budget doesn't cover exotic stuff such as enve or zipps 

So far I've been looking at fulcrum racing 3, mavic ksyrium sl/elite, campy zonda, dura ace 7850/7900 c24,easton ea90 sl. These wheels are within my budget and i've spent the weekend trying to read reviews about them. From what I've gathered, it's expensive to repair/replace spokes on the fulcrum. Mavic ksyrium, depends on luck .. some are bombproof some are lemons  the zonda is basically like the fulcrum with different rear spoke design ? and so far there's been little or no complaints about the dura ace and apparently good value for money.

Does anyone have any experience with any of these wheelsets or any other recommendation ? Basically want a lighter wheelset for climbing and lower rolling resistance compared to my stock alex dc19 rims. Also with the current wheels I really have to fight crosswinds and it's scary especially if there's a vehicle that comes between me and the crosswind while descending   Will changing rims help with this or make this situation even worse ? 

or you can look into SRAM S30 wheels as it has torroidal shape copied from old zipps... if it is still around...

fulcrum racing 3 - spokes are not as expensive as R1 or R0... but at local price here of almost RM1.8k... i might be thinking of upping my limit to fit the R1 in as the R1 is stiffer with the broad aluminum spokes, not necessarily a whole lot lighter but the stiffness makes a difference if you need it.. replacement spokes on the R3 are more expensive than conventional spokes but not as bad as R1 and R0 which is over RM50 per piece...

mavic ksyrium elite - would be the most sensible wheel for the price paid, spoke replacement might be a worry if you don't have a mavic shop nearby and it might not be as cheap as normal spoke although not exorbitant in price. I think price of SLS (SL is no longer available in 2013 range i believe) might be out of question unless you are willing to increase until beyond RM2k...

campy zonda - problem of having to invest in an extra shimano freehub if your shop does not have one already built with shimano freehub (which they are mostly not) due to it being built for riders running campy components, quite light but not worth price paid

shimano c24 -  don't think a new set is within your budget... the ones we see sold at RM1k - RM1.5k on BBS are stolen sets from shimano factory in johor. New ones especially C24 is much more than that....straight pull spokes reportedly weak with bulky riders and a pain to replace... not sure because of availability or price... for KL, it is both...

ea 90sl - reportedly a very tough wheel with 28r/24f spoking and quite feathery, heard of problems with the hub end cap tension adjustment... but not sure if it is true... and for the price of over 700 USD... makes you consider alternative options

the best is to know if the wheelset is well supported nearby or the shop you visit since lightweight wheelset tend to be less durable and you might want to be mentally prepared when shit happens... spoke breakages are more common in people who don't take care of their wheels... dented rims would mean immediate death, unless your shop stock up on replacement parts.. bearings would be the last to go and mostly due to natural reasons...

i think it is safe to say any of your listed wheels are confirmed a better than your alex wheels... in terms of both rolling resistance and also spin up rate...aero characteristics i would not demand much since no alloy wheels have more than 30 mm of height or it will be massively heavy and negate the purpose of the upgrade in the first place... and 30mm might not make much difference compared to a 24mm model...crosswind wise, unless you have some 404 or 808 type of height, i don't think it's a worry or safe to say you won't become another andy schleck...you might have to put some thoughts on what you prioritize...lightweight or aero? the unfortunate thing is alloy wheels will always not be aero...

or you can look into SRAM S30 wheels as it has torroidal shape copied from old zipps... if it is still around...

ooo i sudah outdated la info...

eh if in oz, get some nicely built custom wheels la..

soon I will be burnt......

I hope you recover from whatever is clouding over your good self because your last few post are PUN free X_X  that is un-ButtHead like.

wheelset = custom build      any ideas of reliable unfussy builders in Malaysia ?