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Dont feel so bad, join la charitable work. Malaysia is flooded with such services, just steer clear of politicised ones.

Do you have any idea the price of American Classic 420 wheelset ? Saw a few pre-loved sets being sold on BBS around 1.5K....thank you Oh harnessed one.

guestimation yes... idea no...

won't be cheap.. price is already set at 1k usd msrp...

www.amclassic.com/en/prices.php

un? ultra nincompoop???

me and charity is like oil and water...can never mix

I thought you better then that.....should read...Uber Nympho la

never try never know.....I was helping a friend who recently found out he was HIV+. so I spent my free time there when he had no visitors or the times that are the quietest.

The funniest experience I had there was, the old man next to my friends bed had terminal lung cancer. I chatted with him too because I only saw he had one or two visitors who looked like they were the ones who were dying, and after awhile he told me not to smoke.....I replied that I didnt he gave me a bewildered look and said NVM. All this is in a public hospital.



Wah, 1K USD....must have a lot of fake ones floating around then.

Ok. Finally decided! SL5 is the best and excellent option. in the meantime, A merida will suffice. Actually, the 404..I want it just for the looks I know FR0 to 404 FC Clincher won't be a significant upgrade, perhaps a slight noticeable aero advantage. Desert sidewind is like a gale..even with my bladed FR0 my bike and myself was thrown sideways violently..no kidding. Headwind is when i think i may save a few watts..perhaps 6-9 watts? i dont have any powermeter btw.

Regarding the rotating mass for the 404...I doubt that a similar weight will provide any extra push or maintaining the speed better when you are freewheeling. Reviews say it does. Placebo effect? I had my placebo effect with the carbon hub and ceramic bearing of the FR0, reviews said it's like a tailwind helping you. But a creaking pedal will negate the impression of having a ceramic smoothness every time! I know that from my own experience.

In fact, I can just upgrade to a Red and full carbon cockpits just to be a WW guy, no need a 404 as I already have an FR0 which is similarly weighted. However aesthetically it will be different though. I found an example on the net as shown below . However it isn't slammed and the wheel isn't in Beyond Black colors.



This post has been edited by mrjgx: Feb 19 2013, 02:01 AM

un-applicable because this is not a sex addiction thread...

everyone has that selfless giving moment in their lives however brief it is, it is just a matter of when and who...

i guess the man finally understand that you never really know your regrets until you trully regret it... which is why you can't turn back time...

maybe it is not as expensive here for some weird reasons? american classic wheels has always been expensive... even the one i was interested in was a tad over rm1.8k i remember

wats with you and looks....

the wattage savings is not something you can see on power meters readouts or just too little to notice... it's just a calculation made from calculating the resistance different parts make...

i am not sure if the 404 will carry forward momentum better than the fr0...but i can say that the tub ones are pretty punchy for a tall rim in my opinion when i tried it out sometime end last year, was quite surprised in fact...haven't try 202s before, but plant it next to my wheel...it'll put it to shame definitely without looking at the $$$...

i think spez would be launching the new tarmac models this year since it has been 2 years by the time the tour comes this year... i remember it was launched short of the 2011 tour and alberto chose not to ride the sl4 back then and only gotten in 5th that year coming from an exhaustive giro win...

go for the red then... the crank is the only problem i see migrating it to the tarma if you trully want a stiffer bb30 crank on the tarmac, but then again, not something money can't solve or you end up running sworks fact cranks

SL5 is due to come soon, so does the new garmin stuffs, the ps4 and Xbox 720. Better wait lah like dat..

Well, a quote I found in an article on the net. "Feel is important. We ride for enjoyment, and for many (myself included), part of that enjoyment comes from riding nice things". Sounds legit? I don't buy aero wheels to win some races, but to ride and feel good about it, which I guess applies to the majority of us

Anyway, given a choice between my new plan groupset and a wheelset, which should comes first?

Ey le butthead...wut time do u sleep or u are a sleepless cycling bot?

le ol saying goes "watever yanks your chain, dude"

SL5, possibly... wat garmin stuff... they launched the new x10 models already... it can't be so fast there is another iteration of products....

well, that is a 100 dollar question... both FC and Red 2012 was launched some time not too long ago and i don't see any new versions popping up soon...most likely Zipp will flinch first if it happens as Red historically have lasted a long time before 2012 model came along...

the other thing to keep in mind is the crank... if you get the Red now... you will be stuck with a GXP 24mm spindle external cup BB while you can choose whatever fits your future frame if you get it later...

then to further complicate shit up... you have a very good wheel now... so, it doesn't make much sense to get another wheel while the jump from 105 to Red lets you see some improvements at least....

isn't life complicated?

did i ever say i was a human??? no need sleep...

although i only have limited processing power and memory allocation... i could only focus on certain parts of the internet...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 19 2013, 09:54 AM

heh the idea of the rims/spokes being destroyed while riding/commuting never came across my mind. The only thing that I thought about was getting hit by another vehicle or ramming into a vehicle door when it's suddenly opened

Most of the time I ride on bike paths but yes the possibility of twigs/branches getting to the spokes is highly possible. Dang .. back to the drawing board lol On another note most of these wheelsets are in the AUD 500-600 range which is like saving AUD 20 a day to get it in a month so I wouldn't really consider them very expensive.

Instead of getting new wheelsets I think I should go get a proper bike fit instead of the basic fit that was provided by the LBS. Increasing efficiency and comfort on the bike will pay more in the long run I guess.

This post has been edited by yolk: Feb 19 2013, 12:15 PM

is saving AUD 20 per day not a lot??? sounds like a lot to me... or maybe because in my mind i convert the currency...

if it is a car door... i would have more worries than just the wheel alone..

anyways... get what you can afford... jake gyllenhall would not cringe at destroying a set of zipp because he can afford to stock multiple sets in his home garage.. heck, he might even change it just because of a tiny scratch that damage the zipp stickers....

but, you and me have to think twice on buying expensive gear to abuse....let alone to commute... and maybe leaving it under the sun or to the thieves..

well, i am always a skeptic of bike fit... unless you know certain things that you can pinpoint or want to correct (like a bad back on long riding days)... going to a fitter would be pointless... since you have no objective and you end up just listen to depending on how you view it... advise / BS

yeah it's a lot of you convert but if it's dollar for dollar it's considered affordable I guess; benefit of earning local currency. Come to think of it RM 600 can't buy much back home especially when considering wheelsets but for AUD 500-600 there are more than a handful of selection.

As for bike fit, I've read that poorly fitted cleats/clipless do more harm than good hence why I thought getting a proper fit would be a good idea. Also, I've damaged my knee/ligament/alignment before and don't want to aggravate the condition. There's so many variables in a bike fit including riders flexibility plus the damn bike fit is not cheap either

it's the old saying of "don't fix it if it ain't broken"...

yes, in theory an improperly adjusted cleat can do long term damage and it might not be noticeable until it is too late...but that depends on how you believe... many people ride in strange setups for all their lives and they are still around to brag about it...

i've seen before some bike fitting motion capture software in the past being offered for free...it just offers basic motion tracking with a standard camcorder or a web cam... but can't find it now.... think it is taken offline already...

Replying on my mobile. Hard to quote. About the new garmin im talking about the new 810. still not to be seen in Dubai market. Anyway my next upgrade will be the the groupset. I have a very strong feeling that i wont feel that much difference if i were to get the zipp 404.

I do curb hopings with my FR0 on casual ride to coffee shop. No problem so far. Feels fun actually Scared to do that with new bling wheels.

Bike fitting? Here is famous with Retul fitting. I dont bother with fitting, but i need to slam the stem. The cane creek zero stack headset has arrived 1 month ago but i still dont have time to go to shop. Why the need to slam? Because that will be an added aero advantage similiar like having a new zipp 404 Fc

you people memang gatal...

retul fit is not cheap lar...

where is the science to back that claim up?

Around 1000 dirham per session here..approx 850 RM..u do bike fitting later got so many things to buy, shoes insole, bla bla bla. Adjust it to the comfort of yourself will do.

Slam = i go for the looks.

Anyway facing headwind i sometimes need to really bend my arms (if i ride on the hood) just to decrease the amount of headwind. Not so scientific lah but perhaps it work for me. Put the new hewdset first without cutting the steerer if ok then go potong.

i rode for years with imperfect bike fit. after my session, i could notice the difference and improvement.

willing to spend thousands on equipment, but not willing to spend a few hundreds on bike fit.

btw, i agree; ignorance is bliss

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Feb 19 2013, 04:41 PM

I know the bike fitters is specialist in what they do but dont u think all the info on bike adjustments or positioning knowledge can be gathered from the net?

We just have to apply it to ourselves base on our comfort. They dont do any aero analysis do they?

I might do it one day if i have any niggling issues with my body. Not for now. I read somewhere a guy paid for a couple of bike fitting only to readjust his new positioning to the old one as the seat height is too high for his comfort and liking.

Well to each his own

This post has been edited by mrjgx: Feb 19 2013, 04:58 PM

yes, i did some adjustments based on my reading. after many adjustments, i thought i'd had the perfect set up. but i engaged a bike fitter service anyway, and he made a couple of minor adjustments but significant improvement. to me, it was money well spent.

around the same as bg fit session here....it depends on whether you trust bg fit or retul... but both objectives are the same....

the thing is... a friend of mine did the bg fit and did as they told to the dot... few weeks after the settings... he went back to what he was on before... simply because he felt he could not generate enough power with their setup on his tri bike... it solved some of his sore problems but it did not help with his performance...

he took a bit of the setup here and there to help with his knee problems, but all the rest he went back to what he was on before...

in the end, it is a bit of compromise...

same as wind tunnels... what the aero guys say is good in terms of aero slipstream is not necessary good in actual riding...

you never know there is something better than siham until you try oyster mar... tat is why we call kena racun...

from a biomechanic perspective... you can't learn from the net because it is a very deep topic and you need to understand and i do mean understand human physique to make it work... it's not about having the video tracking software and adjust it to this and that angle and that's it...

having a Full Frame DSLR doesn't actually make you a professional photographer if you know what i mean... it's the knowledge and the experience of doing it...