i guess sales is slow because potential new owners are shying away due to the scary stories told mainly by the 308T 4-speed owners. it is a fact though that the 4-speeder needs more tlc than the succeeding models but still, the market has come to accept that perception as reality. it will be very hard to change that perception already even with good pricing and specification for the 408.

imho, the only way to change that perception is for this group to stand up and say, "there are no issues with our cars". do note, whatever posted on the internet is seen worldwide. and if people worldwide can see the posts, what more malaysia? to a large extent, the public outcry by 308T 4-speed owners against the cars they bought and against the company that sells those cars has hurt the owners even more. trying to get the company's attention is one thing (there are proper ways to do it) but hurting resale values is another that they never thought would happen. it is a fact and it is happening right now. go ask any used car dealer whether they would take in a 4-speed 308T or not and at how much would they take it in. then ask about the 6-speeder.

there's an old saying "don't air one's dirty laundry in public". The same applies here where dirty laundry has been aired and the public has seen and taken note of it. hopefully if you guys have issues with your cars, you would take it up with the seller discreetly. or if you need to post it, then post it online positively. see that vw owners rarely complain about their dsg riddled issues and other matters. likewise, bmw owners. they know the strength of the internet and they also know they will want to sell their cars off one day and they would want the market to readily accept a second hand unit. do think about what is posted. it has far reaching consequences. i'm not saying don't post the negatives. just post it in a way that you would want a potential buyer of your car a few years down the road to see that post of yours.

just my early morning 2-cents worth on the 'resale' matter, and the 'why so few 408 on the road' matter. in my condo there is a jetta, a focus but no 408. sad.

I feel that it's good to tell both side of the stories and let readers (undecided - fence sitters) to make a better judgement for themselves.
There is always imperfection with any vehicles and their after sales services. Even buying very reliable car, there will bound to be a minute defect for an unlucky owner to so happen to get that unit.
Once that happens that owner's perception may likely forever be marred by his/her misfortune.
However, this forum (very active thread topic), has the ability to allow mature discussion of the flaws, drawbacks, strengths which helps Peugeot indirectly.
I say Peugeot should sponsor us teh tarik for our contribution.

I was in Teluk Intan last week, not a single 408 spotted. Saw a 508, 3008 and one 308T. 408s quite rare breed....except of course at Peugeot's 3S center

that is your point of view and i respect that but the fact remains that word has gone out, word has been spread and the result is the small number of peugeot you see on the roads today. mature discussion or otherwise, i guess it is left to owners to decide how best to use the forum. personally i feel, if you wan't peugeot's attention, get a group and call for a meeting with them through one of many clubs out there and get the discussion minuted. that would be more direct and effective (and follow up on the meeting) rather than hoping (if they don't even bother to monitor this, the only losers will be the owners) they see what's written in forums.

just my point of view on the matter.

I agree to let owners decide.  However like you said, it's been spread out and resulting small number of peugeot on the roads, which can be a good thing (looking from a positive angle) - exclusivity.
I was kidding with the teh tarik part. 

that is your point of view and i respect that but the fact remains that word has gone out, word has been spread and the result is the small number of peugeot you see on the roads today. mature discussion or otherwise, i guess it is left to owners to decide how best to use the forum. personally i feel, if you wan't peugeot's attention, get a group and call for a meeting with them through one of many clubs out there and get the discussion minuted. that would be more direct and effective (and follow up on the meeting) rather than hoping (if they don't even bother to monitor this, the only losers will be the owners) they see what's written in forums. i'm not saying don't air your dissatisfaction. just be careful how it is said. e.g. "i just got this new car and it is rattling like crazy! 2 days old and i regret spending my money on it. stupid company". the better way to say it is "i have some strange noises with my car that seems to be coming from the front of my car when i go over bumps. anyone has any idea what it could be?". both mean the same thing but would-be buyers (or fence sitters as you have put it) will most definitely be scared off if many rant like the first example i gave. sometimes, being a good samaritan only hurts one even more and the truth always cuts both ways. if it were me facing the misfortune, i'd keep quiet and quickly sell off the car instead of telling the world and finding that later on nobody wants to buy it from me.

just my point of view on the matter.

I feel that it's good to tell both side of the stories and let readers (undecided - fence sitters) to make a better judgement for themselves.
There is always imperfection with any vehicles and their after sales services. Even buying very reliable car, there will bound to be a minute defect for an unlucky owner to so happen to get that unit.
Once that happens that owner's perception may likely forever be marred by his/her misfortune.
However, this forum (very active thread topic), has the ability to allow mature discussion of the flaws, drawbacks, strengths which helps Peugeot indirectly.
I say Peugeot should sponsor us teh tarik for our contribution.

I was in Teluk Intan last week, not a single 408 spotted. Saw a 508, 3008 and one 308T. 408s quite rare breed....except of course at Peugeot's 3S center
Thought would like share a comparison note. After 3 weeks owning PUG I noticed the tyres they've given were <<Conti MC5>>>
But the manufacturing batch was different. Were yours the same?
Front Driver [2712]
Front Passenger [1912]
Back Driver [2712]
Back Passenger [2612]

And what dissapoints me is people who're spreading this negative comments are mostly non-owners who might have heard complaints from primary and mostly secondary sources which are taken as true without doing further research or follow up. When these issues are spread to those who accept it as true without doing any research, things will get worse. I'm not saying that what has being said is entierly not true but like what has been point out earlier with regards to the problem with DSG, most of the public did not know about it compared to problems faced by Pug cars.

So yeah, in some sense, I agree that the way these problems are addressed will have a major impact on public perception though I also disagree that these problems get swept under the rug to hide it form the public. The problem is, most of the public can suddenly be an expert on cars when talking about these problems but when asked to elaborate more, they seems to have no idea at all!

Regarding your service frequencies, must it be every 6 months?
What if you take 9 months to drive 10,000kms?

I have to absolutely agree here. There are so many hearsay experts! Well that's the net,can't run them out. Unfortunately public perception is affected by these fellows to a great extent. However I view defect comments positively. It gives me chance to check out my car, and not face the problem at an unexpected time. Having said this it is important to be mature about defect reporting publically!

In addition I'd say the local franchise holder plays a very important role. Pugs are not bad, there will be problems like any other brand. It's how well these problems are address and solved. Infact this is an area of opportunity for the franchise holder to turn the negative view of the product into positive. An excellent avenue to affect public perception positively!

IMHO, word-of-mouth spread faster. At least those net users who stumble upon the negative feedback are actually doing some research and might come upon positive ones that will ultimately impact their decision, whereas if those who've heard through others verbally, will somewhat have the negative perception imprinted in their brain which will affect their decision making in the future unless that person does not easily believe what others are saying without confirming it through reliable source.

And most of my circle of friends did not actually do any research or worse, did not even test drive the car before they bought them!

"Truth is lies told thousand times".

Regarding your service frequencies, must it be every 6 months?
What if you take 9 months to drive 10,000kms?

hi guys, im new to 408..really new, can say yesterday..test drove it & 508..and im really impressed with 408!!
considering of buying, being told that now got RM 8k discount..no more..
Is there any other place where i can get better deal than this? or maybe more add-on?
and about he cny promo where RM888 monthly payment, is it good financial to pick? i knew that the monthly would increase every 3years, but is it good enough or even better than conventional financing??
Really need you guys opinion, coz really like this car (maybe except for the rear lamp, but can bare living with it)
Any comment guys, really appreciate your guidance, you can also PM me if you like..Thanks in advance guys!

Can share with us why you prefer the 408 over 508? Any discount for 508?

1. Price, if i got money sure will pick 508 over 408.

2. Yes, 6k discount. Being told by SA today last day to get 6k discount for 508T. Still too much for me to spend on a car

Overall to me, 508 is a better car, just that i can only afford 408 at the moment..Felt 508 under power, where having no such with 408 driving..i guess the 508 bodyweight does make the difference

If you exceed 6 months just because you've not done 10K,you've blown your warranty bye-bye!

Same engine, same torque with just a slightly different HP. What made 508 felt underpowered? I got a friend who told me, 508 is abit underpowered. Not sure..