hmmm, 'leng lui'... nice

the 408 has a revised engine that doesn't really need that sort of treatment. but, you can also try it as a precaution.

which kit would you guys go for?


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don't think so. what does the MAA report say?

this is correct, the 408 has wider tracks and a longer wheelbase which gives it a more pliant ride compared to the 207. it is in a bigger segment anyway. that said, for what it is, the 207 is pretty competent. but with that car, it is all a bit of luck. many have trouble free cars while some have horrors on their hands but even how horrible also, that car wont tell you that it has some engine fault that needs stoppage on the road and need towing. so, in a way, it does have a good reputation as a camel, it may be bumpy (solved by lowering the front springs - for older cars. new cars all come with lowered suspension already), but in the end, it won't let you down.

normally it could mean a few things. as with peugeot, the engineers have a limited command of english so for example, engine fault could mean a depollution issue, could mean the spark plugs need changing, the engine oil is not good, your timing has gone a little off etc. anything that is connected to the engine usually induces the 'engine fault' sign coming up.

so in the case of 'economy mode active', it could have many meanings. as far as i know, it could mean, the alternator doesn't have enough time to charge up your battery properly. the remedy for this is to go for a long drive to have it charged up. the other means that the battery is weak and needs your attention. it could also mean you left your doors open for far too long or left your radio or lights on without the engine started and the battery just got weaker (drained) because of that. usually, you just need to go for a longer drive to charge up the battery. otherwise, it could mean a replacement battery or worse still, the alternator is about to die (which i don't expect in your newish cars).

a note though, leaving your car doors open for a period of time just to air the cabin uses the battery up and if engine is not started to let the alternator charge, drains the battery. this is because the car systems are switched to 'on' mode anticipating a start up. so, having systems on but alternator not running and charging, also induces the message on your mfd.

hope it helps.

the 408T has a newer engine with many upgrades (do spend some time referring to back pages to read about the changes posted by forumers here) that should make the car a bit more easy to own and upkeep. that being said, it is not all 6-speed 308T that have issues.

4 - check tyre pressure. it is 240 for the 207.

5 - check your tyre balancing. it could also be due to the car being new and the front springs have not settled down yet. this takes about 6 months.

7 - either the wiper blades need changing (i know it is a new car - go ask them to change anyway under warranty). or your wiper motor has some issues.

yup it is stated there. you can also check the owner's handbook. i know it is a lot of words in there but you'd be surprise what you can find in that little thick book. have fun reading.

i guess sales is slow because potential new owners are shying away due to the scary stories told mainly by the 308T 4-speed owners. it is a fact though that the 4-speeder needs more tlc than the succeeding models but still, the market has come to accept that perception as reality. it will be very hard to change that perception already even with good pricing and specification for the 408.

imho, the only way to change that perception is for this group to stand up and say, "there are no issues with our cars". do note, whatever posted on the internet is seen worldwide. and if people worldwide can see the posts, what more malaysia? to a large extent, the public outcry by 308T 4-speed owners against the cars they bought and against the company that sells those cars has hurt the owners even more. trying to get the company's attention is one thing (there are proper ways to do it) but hurting resale values is another that they never thought would happen. it is a fact and it is happening right now. go ask any used car dealer whether they would take in a 4-speed 308T or not and at how much would they take it in. then ask about the 6-speeder.

there's an old saying "don't air one's dirty laundry in public". The same applies here where dirty laundry has been aired and the public has seen and taken note of it. hopefully if you guys have issues with your cars, you would take it up with the seller discreetly. or if you need to post it, then post it online positively. see that vw owners rarely complain about their dsg riddled issues and other matters. likewise, bmw owners. they know the strength of the internet and they also know they will want to sell their cars off one day and they would want the market to readily accept a second hand unit. do think about what is posted. it has far reaching consequences. i'm not saying don't post the negatives. just post it in a way that you would want a potential buyer of your car a few years down the road to see that post of yours.

just my early morning 2-cents worth on the 'resale' matter, and the 'why so few 408 on the road' matter. in my condo there is a jetta, a focus but no 408. sad.

it is an early speculative photoshop of the 407 replacement. at that time nobody knew that the 508 would replace the 407/607 as peugeot's flagship model and the 408 will just continue the '4' series name but no longer be the flagship model for peugeot.

so, that picture is outdated and has no significance anymore. it is afterall, just a photoshop creation and not a real car. hope it clarifies.

thanks, i was pretty active in other forums too but they just got too negative. cheers to you guys!

actually, you're 100% correct. they had excess stock of old lions. eventually, the new lions will find their way to the cars in the showrooms. but with peugeot, the importers usually don't have much of a say in these matters.

it is on the 508 simply because they can't have the old logo on their new flagship model and the new 308fl was introduced after the new logo was launched so they had to develop the new logo for it which is much better than trying to slap an old logo on a newly facelifted model. the older cars have no facelift so they make do with the older logos till the stock run out. but in latin america and the recently facelifted 408 in china, they already use the new logo for the 408. for that, unfortunately, i have no explanation. maybe we will get the facelift when production ramps up for the aussie and nz markets.

This post has been edited by lowpro: Feb 16 2013, 05:25 PM

nolah, there are many others who know much more and have been owning peugeot models way before nasim made the brand popular again with the 308. those guys are the real sifus. i just know because i follow the news very closely.

i think their objective at this critical point in time is the survival of their business. almost everything else will seem secondary to them already.

that is your point of view and i respect that but the fact remains that word has gone out, word has been spread and the result is the small number of peugeot you see on the roads today. mature discussion or otherwise, i guess it is left to owners to decide how best to use the forum. personally i feel, if you wan't peugeot's attention, get a group and call for a meeting with them through one of many clubs out there and get the discussion minuted. that would be more direct and effective (and follow up on the meeting) rather than hoping (if they don't even bother to monitor this, the only losers will be the owners) they see what's written in forums. i'm not saying don't air your dissatisfaction. just be careful how it is said. e.g. "i just got this new car and it is rattling like crazy! 2 days old and i regret spending my money on it. stupid company". the better way to say it is "i have some strange noises with my car that seems to be coming from the front of my car when i go over bumps. anyone has any idea what it could be?". both mean the same thing but would-be buyers (or fence sitters as you have put it) will most definitely be scared off if many rant like the first example i gave. sometimes, being a good samaritan only hurts one even more and the truth always cuts both ways. if it were me facing the misfortune, i'd keep quiet and quickly sell off the car instead of telling the world and finding that later on nobody wants to buy it from me.

just my point of view on the matter.

This post has been edited by lowpro: Feb 17 2013, 12:48 AM

seems like a small back-up car is a necessity.

3) Don't think 208 GTI is coming in to Msia

by the way, careline has rationalised their numbers having just gotten a new support vendor. so, only the 1800886292 number remains. the assistance numbers are no longer active. careline staff work from 8.30am to 6.00pm. after that, the number goes to support vendor for towing only. free towing only for cars within 1 year of use.

This post has been edited by lowpro: Feb 19 2013, 12:49 AM