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post Jan 11 2013, 09:41 AM, updated 13y ago

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Forumer you are complaining against: apis_lualua, the moderator of this forum


Details of the complaint :

When you have a bias mod who always kacau your thread and abusing his power, there's no way to settle. My conscience is clear and i already attempted to lodge a complain but it was closed, http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2616703&hl=. To simplify the whole fiasco..

1. I sold an AP set to chin_kh
2. chin_kh made a story i sold AP claim as SME
3. He opened a dispute thread on me
4. I pm apis and explain to him what's really going on
5. Apis sided on chin_kh and pakat to kacau my thread
6. I complain to Admin saying apis bias
7. Apis kecil hati and started to kacau my thread every day

That's wrap up the whole fiasco.

I just wonder, if I'm really a conman, why there was only one dispute thread which started by chin_kh and apis only? Why no others who open a dispute thread to complain about me since i sell so many stuffs here? hmm.gif

You guys heart is clear and able to view the whole rationale behind this evil plot by apis and chin_kh.
I will keep on complain both of them to the admin.... rolleyes.gif

Thanks.

To show my sincerity, i pm apis to settle this peacefully.

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post Jan 11 2013, 10:04 AM

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Back to square one, explain to the public about ur previous case before u start this again, the link you provided help you nothing, just read the first page is enough, prove and answer to the public is what u need, but u never did, right?
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post Jan 11 2013, 11:57 AM

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I do not think your complain belong in this section ..
not a trade dispute ..

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post Jan 11 2013, 12:00 PM

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i am not siding anyone but hopefully this round MOD wont close the topic. Actually they can move the topic to the right subforum but dunno why there are some stupid one that will tells u...wrong subforum...then close... unsure.gif

And ts....just wanted to know why you din come out and explain urself in the thread created about u? http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2316288


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post Jan 11 2013, 12:14 PM

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lol complain about mod lol....its ur fault that ur case still havent settle until today u ignore complain made from ur customer. if u want to prove u are on the right side ....bring ur satisfied customer to backup u.
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post Jan 11 2013, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(fai@fai @ Jan 11 2013, 12:00 PM)
i am not siding anyone but hopefully this round MOD wont close the topic. Actually they can move the topic to the right subforum but dunno why there are some stupid one that will tells u...wrong subforum...then close... unsure.gif
They do have the right to close this topic.

Here are a few reasons why:
1. This is a not a dispute topic. It's a topic created by suntzulee to whine & to make the moderators / staffs / admins look bad. Whereas they ARE doing their job.
2. chin_kh has already open a dispute topic, but suntzulee refused to reply or defend himself in that dispute topic. So no reason whatsoever to open a new one. If he wants to explain anything, explain it in the original thread thread.
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post Jan 11 2013, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 11 2013, 12:39 PM)
They do have the right to close this topic.

Here are a few reasons why:
1. This is a not a dispute topic. It's a topic created by suntzulee to whine & to make the moderators / staffs / admins look bad. Whereas they ARE doing their job.
2. chin_kh has already open a dispute topic, but suntzulee refused to reply or defend himself in that dispute topic. So no reason whatsoever to open a new one. If he wants to explain anything, explain it in the original thread thread.
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for issue 1....why they cant just move the topic to subforum which they can obviously do? Why closing them?
nbtw...ppl do have their right to launch any complain....in the correct subforum... icon_rolleyes.gif

and for ur 2 point....i have no comment smile.gif
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post Jan 11 2013, 12:42 PM

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ur telling that u didnt sell the phone as sme set and the buyer is telling that u sold AP set as SME set... if u have any proof for it then show us... and to buyer does he have proof that seller sold the phone to him buy telling its SME set??

eventhough if there is no wrong in ur side as u claim y did u take sooooo long to come forward and clean ur name??
y didnt u confront the seller b4 itself wen he posted a dispute thread?? tats wat everyone is asking bro...
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post Jan 11 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(fai@fai @ Jan 11 2013, 12:41 PM)
for issue 1....why they cant just move the topic to subforum which they can obviously do? Why closing them?
nbtw...ppl do have their right to launch any complain....in the correct subforum... icon_rolleyes.gif
Because there's already 1 original thread. No need to open a new one.
And since suntzulee refused to defend himself in the original thread, this complain thread is redundant.

What's the point of creating a new thread when you can explain yourself in the original thread? Why waste Lowyat.net bandwidth?

I repeat, this thread created by suntzulee is only for whining & make the moderators / staff / admins look bad. Nothing more.
If he wants that dispute tag removed, then do so by explain & defend in the original dispute thread. There's absolutely no need to create a new one.

If he wants to whine, then he can whine all he wants in the kopitiam section. No one will close that topic.

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post Jan 11 2013, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 11 2013, 12:46 PM)
Because there's already 1 original thread. No need to open a new one.
And since suntzulee refused to defend himself in the original thread, this complain thread is redundant.

What's the point of creating a new thread when you can explain yourself in the original thread? Why waste Lowyat.net bandwidth?
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i thought this thread is to complain apis for what he had done after the incident? no?
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post Jan 11 2013, 12:53 PM

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suntzulee

u ignore his pm earlier now he ignore u back la..

simple as that
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post Jan 11 2013, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(fai@fai @ Jan 11 2013, 12:49 PM)
i thought this thread is to complain apis for what he had done after the incident? no?
Then do so after he has explain himself in the original dispute thread.
If he has explain himself in the original dispute thread with valid proof that he didn't do anything wrong but the moderator / staff / admin still ignores him / doesn't remove his dispute tag, then he can open a topic to complain.

But until now, suntzulee still fail to defend himself.
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post Jan 11 2013, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 11 2013, 03:46 AM)
Because there's already 1 original thread. No need to open a new one.
And since suntzulee refused to defend himself in the original thread, this complain thread is redundant.

What's the point of creating a new thread when you can explain yourself in the original thread? Why waste Lowyat.net bandwidth?

I repeat, this thread created by suntzulee is only for whining & make the moderators / staff / admins look bad. Nothing more.
If he wants that dispute tag removed, then do so by explain & defend in the original dispute thread. There's absolutely no need to create a new one.

If he wants to whine, then he can whine all he wants in the kopitiam section. No one will close that topic.
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everyone got right to exercise their rights... its upto him to open a thread n let him..atleast here the buyer n mod can ask him n he will be willing to answer the questions for god sake who knows... let the thread be active n lets listen to his case and finish it off once for all rather than draging for more than a year... i really hope atleast now and here the buyer and seller will come a gud conclusion.. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 11 2013, 12:54 PM)
Then do so after he has explain himself in the original dispute thread.
If he has explain himself in the original dispute thread with valid proof that he didn't do anything wrong but the moderator / staff / admin still ignores him / doesn't remove his dispute tag, then he can open a topic to complain.

But until now, suntzulee still fail to defend himself.
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fail to defend but and he deserve a tag...
but the problem now is he is complaining the mod keep kacauing his thread....does this happens to every other dispute tag user? i dunno... smile.gif but it seems like 2 different cases for me...imo la icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 11 2013, 01:09 PM

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chin_kh said this

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Initial, I have verified with the seller "suntzulee" whether the phone is SME set or not. Although I have waited for 1.5 hour, finally we met up & made the deal on 2012-04-20 8.30pm at Kota Damansara. After I went home, I tried to register for e-warranty as "suntzulee" said this device has not yet registered, but unfortunately, I did not success. Then, I tried the SMS function to 62002 for the warranty verification, the SMS replied "The IMEI xxxxxxxxxx need to be registered. Please request your phone retailer to activate E-warranty." So, I contacted "suntzulee" & he said would help me to verify it.


So you didnt verify anything right? You say you would help verify meaning you admit the set is SME set right? as chin_kh had already told you and asked for your help + you agreed to help him. doh.gif
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Jan 11 2013, 04:09 AM)
chin_kh said this
So you didnt verify anything right? You say you would help verify meaning you admit the set is SME set right? as chin_kh had already told you and asked for your help + you agreed to help him. doh.gif
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so TS , here as buyer says u conformed its a SME set and u agreed to help him but u didnt.. see all sides u have mistakes and first try to clear ur name laa bro... if u say u didnt do any wrong come here and answer what u got to say abt it...
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post Jan 11 2013, 02:06 PM

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Who want to pakat to bring you down lol?

Self at fault already, you still want blame people?
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 09:41 AM)
!!! READ THIS NOTICE FIRST. IMPORTANT RULES !!!!
!!! 1) Put the disputed member's nickname in the title !!!
!!! 2) Put a link to the disputed thread in this post !!!
!!! 3) This board is for LYN Trade Zone disputes only. Do not post mudah, lelong, or ebay disputes here. !!!!
!!! REMOVE THE NOTICE ABOVE BEFORE POSTING UNLESS YOU WANT TO LOOK STUPID !!!

Forumer you are complaining against: apis_lualua, the moderator of this forum
Details of the complaint :

When you have a bias mod who always kacau your thread and abusing his power, there's no way to settle. My conscience is clear and i already attempted to lodge a complain but it was closed, http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2616703&hl=. To simplify the whole fiasco..

1. I sold an AP set to chin_kh
2. chin_kh made a story i sold AP claim as SME
3. He opened a dispute thread on me
4. I pm apis and explain to him what's really going on
5. Apis sided on chin_kh and pakat to kacau my thread
6. I complain to Admin saying apis bias
7. Apis kecil hati and started to kacau my thread every day

That's wrap up the whole fiasco.

I just wonder, if I'm really a conman, why there was only one dispute thread which started by chin_kh and apis only? Why no others who open a dispute thread to complain about me since i sell so many stuffs here? hmm.gif

You guys heart is clear and able to view the whole rationale behind this evil plot by apis and chin_kh.
I will keep on complain both of them to the admin.... rolleyes.gif

Thanks.

To show my sincerity, i pm apis to settle this peacefully.
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Try explained ur self in the other thread than people can assist u and judge ur sincerity or else blame will be forever on you.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 09:41 AM)
!!! READ THIS NOTICE FIRST. IMPORTANT RULES !!!!
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post Jan 11 2013, 02:39 PM

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Just settle the dispute case,then nobody will care what u doin,eating or sh*tting.
u keep said u r the 1 is the victim,chin_kh was the predator huh?make some common sense please.

Just refund the money,take the ap set back,done.no need kepoh here n there.all forumer here forever look u down b4 u settle it.u been a laughing stock now as u keep clowning around.
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QUOTE(nietz @ Jan 11 2013, 02:39 PM)
Just settle the dispute case,then nobody will care what u doin,eating or sh*tting.
u keep said u r the 1 is the victim,chin_kh was the predator huh?make some common sense please.

Just refund the money,take the ap set back,done.no need kepoh here n there.all forumer here forever look u down b4 u settle it.u been a laughing stock now as u keep clowning around.
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Ok, i wanted to hear what actual problem that the lousy buyer encountered with the ap set. If hardware problem, it is still under warranty. I am please to get it fixed. If the lousy buyer wanted a refund, pls say so. I will take it as market price. That's the max tolerance a genuine seller would take.

To be frank, i can ignore his request (if he wanted a refund). But i really donno what's playing in his mind. He made up a story in a dispute tag which is self created and accusing me sold him sme set. Later when i refunded his money, then he created another story saying money not refunded but get conned by me.... rclxub.gif

Main problem is still apis, the bias moderator. He is the actual culprit. If he listened to both side story, the whole fiasco will not happen. That's the reason i raise this complain. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 03:15 PM)
Ok, i wanted to hear what actual problem that the lousy buyer encountered with the ap set. If hardware problem, it is still under warranty. I am please to get it fixed. If the lousy buyer wanted a refund, pls say so. I will take it as market price. That's the max tolerance a genuine seller would take.

To be frank, i can ignore his request (if he wanted a refund). But i really donno what's playing in his mind. He made up a story in a dispute tag which is self created and accusing me sold him sme set. Later when i refunded his money, then he created another story saying money not refunded but get conned by me.... rclxub.gif

Main problem is still apis, the bias moderator. He is the actual culprit. If he listened to both side story, the whole fiasco will not happen. That's the reason i raise this complain.  rolleyes.gif

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Simple question buddy, did u reply what u post above HERE?

To fai@fai, show me other dispute tag holder who actively trade here in garage sales, so i will make a reminder there too.

And btw, suntzulee, post here your inbox conversation between u and chin_kh, so that we will see how u told him its a AP set, not SME. if u show that, i myself will make a request to admin to pull back your DISPUTE TAG.

Tq
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QUOTE(Apis_LuaLua @ Jan 11 2013, 03:24 PM)
Simple question buddy, did u reply what u post above HERE?

To fai@fai, show me other dispute tag holder who actively trade here in garage sales, so i will make a reminder there too.

And btw, suntzulee, post here your inbox conversation between u and chin_kh, so that we will see how u told him its a AP set, not SME. if u show that, i myself will make a request to admin to pull back your DISPUTE TAG.

Tq
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i din say u didnt...i say i dunno...why so sensitive? rclxub.gif u think i so free every post also i go and see meh doh.gif
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QUOTE(fai@fai @ Jan 11 2013, 03:28 PM)
i din say u didnt...i say i dunno...why so sensitive? rclxub.gif  u think i so free every post also i go and see meh doh.gif
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Where did i sound sensitive? hmm.. nvm, hv a nice day. smile.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 03:15 PM)
Ok, i wanted to hear what actual problem that the lousy buyer encountered with the ap set. If hardware problem, it is still under warranty. 

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So u admit that it is an AP set?

I think the main issue is AP sold as SME, it has nothing to do with whether the phone is still under warranty or not ler boss... sweat.gif



QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 03:15 PM)

He made up a story in a dispute tag which is self created and accusing me sold him sme set. Later when i refunded his money, then he created another story saying money not refunded but get conned by me.... rclxub.gif
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There is always PROOF...

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mana sms/pm messages/ proof bangang that u settle the problem? u open thread complain without those to back u up.
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QUOTE(Apis_LuaLua @ Jan 11 2013, 03:24 PM)
Simple question buddy, did u reply what u post above HERE?

To fai@fai, show me other dispute tag holder who actively trade here in garage sales, so i will make a reminder there too.

And btw, suntzulee, post here your inbox conversation between u and chin_kh, so that we will see how u told him its a AP set, not SME. if u show that, i myself will make a request to admin to pull back your DISPUTE TAG.

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Hi apis, glad you reply to me. For the matter of fact, i wanted to pm but i think we should transparent for any conversation between us since im still accusing you being bias on this case. I wouldnt able to provide what you requested from me. Reason was all the conversation btwn mobile and the whole whatsapp was saved on my previous iphone 4. I sold the ip4 already and i format the whole ip4 before i sold it to the next buyer.

To show my sincerity, i'm willing to offer the lousy buyer to buy back the ap set with market price. In fact, i would not do that but i treat this as an exception case since this issue has dragged me for so long. I will try again to contact him again and end this evil plot once and for all.

You are right, no conman with a dispute tag holder will actively selling his gadgets here just because i'm not. Furthermore, stop harrassing my sales thread. I know you are doing your job but you are doing a wrong job at a wrong time. That's why i said you are bias. Can we settle this peacefully?

Sorry, i made this in public, as i want everyone to prove me wrong that you are not BIAS! tongue.gif

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I've never seen Apis being bias with anyone smile.gif

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 03:15 PM)
Ok, i wanted to hear what actual problem that the lousy buyer encountered with the ap set. If hardware problem, it is still under warranty. I am please to get it fixed. If the lousy buyer wanted a refund, pls say so. I will take it as market price. That's the max tolerance a genuine seller would take.

To be frank, i can ignore his request (if he wanted a refund). But i really donno what's playing in his mind. He made up a story in a dispute tag which is self created and accusing me sold him sme set. Later when i refunded his money, then he created another story saying money not refunded but get conned by me.... rclxub.gif

Main problem is still apis, the bias moderator. He is the actual culprit. If he listened to both side story, the whole fiasco will not happen. That's the reason i raise this complain.  rolleyes.gif

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Look,with this attitude,its not gonna help u much Ii not sided whoever.

U could c urself if the disputed case drag longer,its not going any better for u be trading in lyn.U oso can c many other forumer join in to curse u. Even u change ur nick or new id,the mod still could trace u. For the best solution as u said,u could offer the market price to chin_kh to settle the case. No need open mouth lousy buyer. Respect the buyer,buyer will respect seller.

for the "bias" toward apis,i think it will be harsh claim. Mod/admin promote a healthy trading,not stealthly. Hence they need to do their best to keep innocent ppl away from get cheated,which i very support their effort to stop ppl from cheating. I bet u oso doesnt want get cheated by someone.

end of word,settle it asap,dun drag anymore.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 03:50 PM)
Hi apis, glad you reply to me. For the matter of fact, i wanted to pm but i think we should transparent for any conversation between us since im still accusing you being bias on this case. I wouldnt able to provide what you requested from me. Reason was all the conversation btwn mobile and the whole whatsapp was saved on my previous iphone 4. I sold the ip4 already and i format the whole ip4 before i sold it to the next buyer.

To show my sincerity, i'm willing to offer the lousy buyer to buy back the ap set with market price. In fact, i would not do that but i treat this as an exception case since this issue has dragged me for so long. I will try again to contact him again and end this evil plot once and for all.

You are right, no conman with a dispute tag holder will actively selling his gadgets here just because i'm not. Furthermore, stop harrassing my sales thread. I know you are doing your job but you are doing a wrong job at a wrong time. That's why i said you are bias. Can we settle this peacefully?

Sorry, i made this in public, as i want everyone to prove me wrong that you are not BIAS! tongue.gif
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What did u mean by market price? That mean u not going to refund the buyer in full?

If its me not fair bro
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 03:50 PM)
Hi apis, glad you reply to me. For the matter of fact, i wanted to pm but i think we should transparent for any conversation between us since im still accusing you being bias on this case. I wouldnt able to provide what you requested from me. Reason was all the conversation btwn mobile and the whole whatsapp was saved on my previous iphone 4. I sold the ip4 already and i format the whole ip4 before i sold it to the next buyer.

To show my sincerity, i'm willing to offer the lousy buyer to buy back the ap set with market price. In fact, i would not do that but i treat this as an exception case since this issue has dragged me for so long. I will try again to contact him again and end this evil plot once and for all.

You are right, no conman with a dispute tag holder will actively selling his gadgets here just because i'm not. Furthermore, stop harrassing my sales thread. I know you are doing your job but you are doing a wrong job at a wrong time. That's why i said you are bias. Can we settle this peacefully?

Sorry, i made this in public, as i want everyone to prove me wrong that you are not BIAS! tongue.gif
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So convenient. Transaction 20/4/2012. Dispute 21/4/2012. No answer until suddenly today you say all evidence gone, because you sold off the phone.

Do you have any idea what that shows?

And stop calling the guy lousy buyer.

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If I were to be TS , I would have changed my name as that would dishonor the real Sun Tzu. Shambolic guy who keeps on evading questions thrown at him by beating around the bush.

Damn blur la this guy. Zzzz



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To the Seller at Hand, I am a bit confused. You said that you already refunded the Buyer but the Buyer clams that you Con Him. So was there an actual refund.

Secondly, you are now offering to buy back the set from the buyer at "Market Price' (whatever it means). So does this mean (i) there was no refund earlier which means you lied or (2), you are offering to give the Buyer a second round of refund meaning buyer is getting 2x the money. You must then be the most sincere and generous Seller here.

You have to be clearer and more transparent Bro.
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if its nt ur fault..u shud have xplain in previous thread n defend urself

of coz ppl will accuse u for scam..since u nt xplain what happen between u n buyer

hope u can settle dis case..cheers
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To show my sincerity, i'm willing to offer the lousy buyer to buy back the ap set with market price. In fact, i would not do that but i treat this as an exception case since this issue has dragged me for so long. I will try again to contact him again and end this evil plot once and for all.
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You are not sincere at all man, what you mean by market price, again. You should have bought back exactly the price u sold to the buyer, not according to the price now, is your fault for not answering anything in the previous thread (not at all), is your fault that not showing anything to the public (not at all too), even now, & you come and tell us that you are sincere? Do you think all of us are nuts? mad.gif

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QUOTE(Frogcat @ Jan 11 2013, 05:20 PM)
You are not sincere at all man, what you mean by market price, again. You should have bought back exactly the price u sold to the buyer, not according to the price now, is your fault for not answering anything in the previous thread (not at all), is your fault that not showing anything to the public (not at all too), even now, & you come and tell us that you are sincere? Do you think all of us are nuts?  mad.gif
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i think you are the one who nuts... Give you a simple scenario. I buy a new car at RM100,000. After 5 years, you are telling me i can sell the car for RM100,000??? Who the nuts buyer who would buy at that price. I don't even expect you to understand what's the meaning of depreciation cost.

If the above simple mathematic also you fail to understand, there is only one thing from you. You are nuts. rolleyes.gif

OMG why i have to explain to this nut people? My fault.... tongue.gif

**just to update everyone, i already sent pm but no reply from him...... hmm.gif

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i think you are the one who nuts... Give you a simple scenario. I buy a new car at RM100,000. After 5 years, you are telling me i can sell the car for RM100,000??? Who the nuts buyer who would buy at that price. I don't even expect you to understand what's the meaning of depreciation cost.

If the above simple mathematic also you fail to understand, there is only one thing from you. You are nuts. rolleyes.gif

OMG why i have to explain to this nut people? My fault.... tongue.gif

**just to update everyone, i already sent pm but no reply from him...... hmm.gif
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Agree that there should be an element of depreciation as the buyer has been using for x-months. The next questions is who to determine the Market Value. Must be a transparent way.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 06:02 PM)
i think you are the one who nuts... Give you a simple scenario. I buy a new car at RM100,000. After 5 years, you are telling me i can sell the car for RM100,000??? Who the nuts buyer who would buy at that price. I don't even expect you to understand what's the meaning of depreciation cost.

If the above simple mathematic also you fail to understand, there is only one thing from you. You are nuts. rolleyes.gif

OMG why i have to explain to this nut people? My fault.... tongue.gif

**just to update everyone, i already sent pm but no reply from him...... hmm.gif
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Hey, you should have buy back earlier, or refund to the buyer earlier, that's what I'm talking about, don't come here to twist & turn, up till now, you don't even have GUTS to answer in that dispute thread, & not even show nor prove anything you should have to, & stop talking nonsense.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 06:02 PM)
i think you are the one who nuts... Give you a simple scenario. I buy a new car at RM100,000. After 5 years, you are telling me i can sell the car for RM100,000??? Who the nuts buyer who would buy at that price. I don't even expect you to understand what's the meaning of depreciation cost.

If the above simple mathematic also you fail to understand, there is only one thing from you. You are nuts. rolleyes.gif

OMG why i have to explain to this nut people? My fault.... tongue.gif

**just to update everyone, i already sent pm but no reply from him...... hmm.gif
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Ur nuts u r comparing diffrent scenario. This is ur fault t first place that y buyer need full refund .

Example u buying defect car and u return back to manufacture they dont fully refund are u angry or not?

If willing to defense ur self by explaining it into the real thread than u might not have to refund the buyer if u win the case simple now u also not willing to explain than people will assume u are wrong simple.

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Sorry, if you are talking about compensation, the law normally counts from the day of the dispute.

Example, car broke down after one month, yes, normally depreciate one month because you enjoyed the use of the car.

In this case, complaint started one day after.

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Let me break it down for you.

You have been judged to be the party in the wrong here. No beating around the bush.

The more you speak, talk, post, anything, the deeper the whole you are digging.

Unless it escapes your attention also, once you made it into the lowyat.net offenders list, you're done.

You earned your dispute tag by not cleaning up your mess. Despite soo many chances to do so.

You're attitude just became the fuel of your own demise.

You are done.

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Sorry, if you are talking about compensation, the law normally counts from the day of the dispute.

Example, car broke down after one month, yes, normally depreciate one month because you enjoyed the use of the car.

In this case, complaint started one day after.
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but in real term is if the aggrement not met or fraud misinterpreted contain its consider void. do u know that even bank sale officer is required to explained all the loan agrement details before u sign or else its consider void.

in this case if the seller lie or hiding something in the 1st process of trade its consider Void also and full refund is required

the best thing is TS must defend himself if he really genuine by explaining the truth.

from what i have read TS being honored "dispute" tag is because he himself do not defend himself.

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Apis not kacau your thread, just a "reminder" for buyer new or old LYN forumer.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 06:02 PM)
i think you are the one who nuts... Give you a simple scenario. I buy a new car at RM100,000. After 5 years, you are telling me i can sell the car for RM100,000??? Who the nuts buyer who would buy at that price. I don't even expect you to understand what's the meaning of depreciation cost.

If the above simple mathematic also you fail to understand, there is only one thing from you. You are nuts. rolleyes.gif

OMG why i have to explain to this nut people? My fault.... tongue.gif

**just to update everyone, i already sent pm but no reply from him...... hmm.gif
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You dragged the dispute case so long only now you PM the buyer for solution. We told u that age's ago and after how long? I doubt the buyer will even reply you, if i was the buyer, i wont reply you anymore since you dont want to solve this case at the first place. smile.gif

You should be respectful to people here as many tried to help you and gave up, and now you start calling people nuts? and called your customer lousy buyer? Everyone is potential customer and no matter how rude there are calling them lousy or nuts will just ruin your own reputation further. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Apis_LuaLua @ Jan 11 2013, 03:24 )

And btw, suntzulee, post here your inbox conversation between u and chin_kh, so that we will see how u told him its a AP set, not SME. if u show that, i myself will make a request to admin to pull back your DISPUTE TAG.

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3 days past, no reply from chin_kh, as you said pls remove the dispute tag so that I can close this thread.
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3 days past, no reply from chin_kh, as you said pls remove the dispute tag so that I can close this thread.
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No proof no talk. I dont mind the existence of this thread. Keep it up. Tq
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No proof no talk. I dont mind the existence of this thread. Keep it up. Tq
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Yeah, I'm happy to see this continue even he continue to call me Nuts as well. brows.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 13 2013, 10:17 PM)
3 days past, no reply from chin_kh, as you said pls remove the dispute tag so that I can close this thread.
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u r ridiculous..
the complaint started last year and u r nagging that no reply in 3 days..?
what kind of seller r u..?
now i'm gladly will help apis to remind everyone in ur selling thread what a lousy seller u r..
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Now I learn something new here.

So, you trying to say.

> Sell a brand new car for RM300k.
> A day after of usage, car were damaged somewhere.
> Buyer complained, seller refused to take responsibility.

> A year after the first complained, suddenly offered to buyback the car.
> Offer to buyback the car at current market value at RM100k.

> Seller tried to make it as he is the one trying to resolve the issue

> $$$$ ?

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 13 2013, 10:17 PM)
3 days past, no reply from chin_kh, as you said pls remove the dispute tag so that I can close this thread.
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If chin_kh gave up on you i really got to say sorry to you. If chin_kh dont wanna solve this case now ur Dispute Tag will stick on ur name. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Apis_LuaLua @ Jan 13 2013, 10:26 PM)
No proof no talk. I dont mind the existence of this thread. Keep it up. Tq
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Look guys, a bias mod in action. Now, my complain stands as a basis on how you bias on this case. First of all, i take initiative to resolve this matter with chin_kh, i even posted the pm here. No reply from him and now you said no proof no talk?

May i know how do you evaluate a case? That was the reason i refused to defend on chin_kh's faulty complain thread. He opened an absurd complain thread and frame into the dispute tag, yes by right i can ignore him which i did. However you came in and sided on him without justifying the whole case. If this is not call bias, then is call berat sebelah.

Your position as a moderator is questionable. You sell stuffs here and you misjudge your competitor as well. Yeah, admin is good hearted to allow you to carry on your business. But the point is you have conflict on interest. Either you quit as a moderator or you quit your selling activities here.

No doubt you are bias. You deserve it. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 14 2013, 12:39 PM)
Look guys, a bias mod in action. Now, my complain stands as a basis on how you bias on this case. First of all, i take initiative to resolve this matter with chin_kh, i even posted the pm here. No reply from him and now you said no proof no talk?

May i know how do you evaluate a case? That was the reason i refused to defend on chin_kh's faulty complain thread. He opened an absurd complain thread and frame into the dispute tag, yes by right i can ignore him which i did. However you came in and sided on him without justifying the whole case. If this is not call bias, then is call berat sebelah.

Your position as a moderator is questionable. You sell stuffs here and you misjudge your competitor as well. Yeah, admin is good hearted to allow you to carry on your business. But the point is you have conflict on interest. Either you quit as a moderator or you quit your selling activities here.

No doubt you are bias. You deserve it. rolleyes.gif
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Ok. i take it. Tq mr dispute tag holder. laugh.gif
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Apis, let him call you whatever he like...

Everybody know who's at fault here and I would suggest you to just ignore that dispute holder.

To TS, just 1 question and I hope you answer me, Why not respond while the IPhone with evidence still with you? hmm.gif


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This kind of attitude, even if he is right i will NEVER gonna even say hi to u, let alone buying ur item. be it cheaper by 70%.

( im making a case on some1 who did what ts did to chin kh atm, thumbs down )
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 14 2013, 12:39 PM)
Look guys, a bias mod in action. Now, my complain stands as a basis on how you bias on this case. First of all, i take initiative to resolve this matter with chin_kh, i even posted the pm here. No reply from him and now you said no proof no talk?

May i know how do you evaluate a case? That was the reason i refused to defend on chin_kh's faulty complain thread. He opened an absurd complain thread and frame into the dispute tag, yes by right i can ignore him which i did. However you came in and sided on him without justifying the whole case. If this is not call bias, then is call berat sebelah.

Your position as a moderator is questionable. You sell stuffs here and you misjudge your competitor as well. Yeah, admin is good hearted to allow you to carry on your business. But the point is you have conflict on interest. Either you quit as a moderator or you quit your selling activities here.

No doubt you are bias. You deserve it. rolleyes.gif
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this chin_kh guy might not even be using this account already
if u were SINCERE in solving the matter..u would have done it months ago and not now
and the terms of settlement is quite rubbish if u ask me
it would be better if u just offer chin_kh 100-200 extra as what u sold him is not a SME set but an AP set

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the case was filed on Apr 21 2012

u did not answer until Jan 11 2013... why? sleeping on the couch for the whole 11 months?
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 14 2013, 12:39 PM)
May i know how do you evaluate a case? That was the reason i refused to defend on chin_kh's faulty complain thread. He opened an absurd complain thread and frame into the dispute tag, yes by right i can ignore him which i did.
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Take that as a lesson then. If you don't show up to defend yourself, you lose by default.

In theory yes there can be a conflict of interest (and I have cautioned Apis Lualua about it before), but in this case I'm not seeing it. The check-and-balance we have here is that only forum admins can issue dispute tags. Yours was issued by se7en, by the way.

Please continue your posts on chin_kh's dispute in the original thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2316288
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Take that as a lesson then. If you don't show up to defend yourself, you lose by default.

In theory yes there can be a conflict of interest (and I have cautioned Apis Lualua about it before), but in this case I'm not seeing it. The check-and-balance we have here is that only forum admins can issue dispute tags. Yours was issued by se7en, by the way.

Please continue your posts on chin_kh's dispute in the original thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2316288
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Dear Admin,

Thanks for replying me. In fact i have done my best to settle this case though i'm not in the wrong position. As you can see from the pm i sent to chin_kh, i sold him an ap set and not sme set claim as ap. Between both of us, we know who is right and who is wrong. The problem now is chin_kh ignore my pm & refused to settle this false dispute which started from him.

Now, apis sided on him and keep on pestering me that i was wrong and until the extend to claim me as conman/Mr. dispute tag holder. By law, no one is guilty until he is proven wrong.

Nevertheless, i realized the longer this issue drag, the more severe it will affect my genuine and ethic business here. I'm just a petty trader and wish to earn some for living and sometimes just to get rid of my excessive gadgets (sold without any profit gain). Apis not only dont give me opportunity but he go and poison my sales thread everyday. Like old saying, "pour sand into one's rice bowl".

For the matter of fact, i respect each moderator/admin/staff of lowyat as they doing an impeccable service without any fees. Kudos to all of them but unfortunately, apis did bias and because of conflict of interest, he tend to be bias. Give you an example, i sold Note 2 and he also sell Note 2. In order to sell off the Note 2, buyers will also consider pricing, service after sales and one's credibility. By comparison, apis is a seller and also a trade enforcer or mod, so people will definitely listen to what he claim/posted/comment. For my case, he poison all my sales thread in order for others (buyers) to buy his Note 2. Now, can you see the case clearly here? hmm.gif

I will respect with salute more if you can refrain/stop all the mods & trade enforcer to sell due to conflict of interest. Then i call this is fair and the garage sales forum would be a better place to deal and no bias. smile.gif

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Dear Admin,

Thanks for replying me. In fact i have done my best to settle this case though i'm not in the wrong position. As you can see from the pm i sent to chin_kh, i sold him an ap set and not sme set claim as ap. Between both of us, we know who is right and who is wrong. The problem now is chin_kh ignore my pm & refused to settle this false dispute which started from him.

Now, apis sided on him and keep on pestering me that i was wrong and until the extend to claim me as conman/Mr. dispute tag holder. By law, no one is guilty until he is proven wrong.

Nevertheless, i realized the longer this issue drag, the more severe it will affect my genuine and ethic business here. I'm just a petty trader and wish to earn some for living and sometimes just to get rid of my excessive gadgets (sold without any profit gain). Apis not only dont give me opportunity but he go and poison my sales thread everyday. Like old saying, "pour sand into one's rice bowl".

For the matter of fact, i respect each moderator/admin/staff of lowyat as they doing an impeccable service without any fees. Kudos to all of them but unfortunately, apis did bias and because of conflict of interest, he tend to be bias. Give you an example, i sold Note 2 and he also sell Note 2. In order to sell off the Note 2, buyers will also consider pricing, service after sales and one's credibility. By comparison, apis is a seller and also a trade enforcer or mod, so people will definitely listen to what he claim/posted/comment. For my case, he poison all my sales thread in order for others (buyers) to buy his Note 2. Now, can you see the case clearly here? hmm.gif

I will respect with salute more if you can refrain/stop all the mods & trade enforcer to sell due to conflict of interest. Then i call this is fair and the garage sales forum would be a better place to deal and no bias. smile.gif

Thanks.
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Bro.. admin has already told you. You bring yourself here now, who ask you to ignore it and prolong this dispute till now? You can blame yourself partly for this part ok.. doh.gif
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As you can see from the pm i sent to chin_kh, i sold him an ap set and not sme set claim as ap. Between both of us, we know who is right and who is wrong.


that PM shot u sent just recently u claim as a proof? funny. doh.gif

Do u think you are soooo FAIR to buy back at market price after almost 8 months? while he paid u for SME set price 8 months back?

The only solution u hv now is to advertise your stuff elsewhere.

And if i want to pick up my competitor, i will pick the like of fazli77, ken6828, liquid_ooze, siemens6688. Not you mr dispute tag holder. In fact, i never hv a competitor, all honest and good seller here in this forum is my fren, not a competitor.

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QUOTE(Apis_LuaLua @ Jan 14 2013, 04:49 PM)
that PM shot u sent just recently u claim as a proof? funny.  doh.gif

Do u think you are soooo FAIR to buy back at market price after almost 8 months? while he paid u for SME set price 8 months back?

The only solution u hv now is to advertise your stuff elsewhere.

And if i want to pick up my competitor, i will pick the like of fazli77, ken6828, liquid_ooze, siemens6688. Not you mr dispute tag holder. In fact, i never hv a competitor, all honest and good seller here in this forum is my fren, not a competitor.
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Even though you called me Mr. Dispute Tag which is very rude indeed. Shame on you, call people as that nick name. Is this a mod should behave??? hmm.gif Again, this show you are bias and abusing your power, just simply to humiliate a person.
If you realized that you have competitors though you said they are your friends, then why you still sell and become a mod/trade enforcer? Absolutely this is called conflict of interest.

Others dont complain about you doesnt mean they are afraid, just because you can abuse your power and simply ruin one's business. Personally, i dont have anything against you, but your ethic as a mod really is questionable. How can a mod call a person like that? You should respect other in order others to respect you. If you still want people to remind you about this, i think you should not be a mod at the first place. rolleyes.gif

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Even though you called me Mr. Dispute Tag which is very rude indeed. Shame on you, call people as that nick name. Is this a mod should behave???  hmm.gif Again, this show you are bias and abusing your power, just simply to humiliate a person.
If you realized that you have competitors though you said they are your friends, then why you still sell and become a mod/trade enforcer? Absolutely this is called conflict of interest.

Others dont complain about you doesnt mean they are afraid, just because you can abuse your power and simply ruin one's business. Personally, i dont have anything against you, but your ethic as a mod really is questionable. How can a mod call a person like that? You should respect other in order others to respect you. If you still want people to remind you about this, i think you should not be a mod at the first place. rolleyes.gif
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Then who is the mod and who is the dispute tag holder now? rolleyes.gif

Btw, i will not reply anymore. Everyone here know who is nuts and who is not. who to blame and who are not. Good luck in selling my competitor. wub.gif
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LOL. I had to reply

I'm not a fan of him, but Apis deserved to be more than a mod here
Do you know how much he had helped others? how many that had been saved from being cheated because of him?
He had not being biased at all, as you can see everybody is against you. They are not being biased, they've all gave you a chance, many chances, for the past 8 months, and you blew it.

YOU IGNORED THE THREAD FOR MORE THAN 8 MONTHS, FOR GOD SAKE!

So obviously, you are at fault here. Don't go complaining others for being bias.

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Look, here's the thing... Have you proven to anyone that you hadn't claimed that your set is an AP set? There must be some misunderstanding between you and your buyer. Try talking to your buyer instead of complaining here and there and if you both can't come into peace, just return him the money and have your AP set back. Isn't that simple? And as for our moderator, I believe Apis isn't a bias person at all. I don't know about the rest but he definitely had helped me on my case. Show some proof before you write a dispute on somebody.
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nk sibuk boleh? haha. tho i had someone complained on me too once b4.. frankly speaking i think everyone has helped make it more than loud n clear enough for this seller to understand.. the way i see it.. too obvious.. after 4 pages of replies.. i think this guy is either acting a fool or he really is one because first he kept on arguing the same point which was 2nd not relevant at all!

y bother so much to point ur finger to someone else whos not directly related to ur problem rather than actually trying to solve the problem u got urself into?? ur the seller n the buyer has got issues with u.. n i happen to be around n just simply say 'thats not right' then all of sudden u started arguing with with me n almost completely ignored ur buyer.

never been a seller in lyn b4 but this shud be pretty simple logic. clean up ur own mess la n if u cant why dun u just shut up n go away? ppl.. this guy is just wasting ur time.. same thing being said again n again n he's still foolishly trying to pull everyone's else attention to something not related at all.. most importantly not solving the problem at all.

just leave him with his new tag n let him do the 'barking' however he wants

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 11 2013, 03:50 PM)
Hi apis, glad you reply to me. For the matter of fact, i wanted to pm but i think we should transparent for any conversation between us since im still accusing you being bias on this case. I wouldnt able to provide what you requested from me. Reason was all the conversation btwn mobile and the whole whatsapp was saved on my previous iphone 4. I sold the ip4 already and i format the whole ip4 before i sold it to the next buyer.

To show my sincerity, i'm willing to offer the lousy buyer to buy back the ap set with market price. In fact, i would not do that but i treat this as an exception case since this issue has dragged me for so long. I will try again to contact him again and end this evil plot once and for all.

You are right, no conman with a dispute tag holder will actively selling his gadgets here just because i'm not. Furthermore, stop harrassing my sales thread. I know you are doing your job but you are doing a wrong job at a wrong time. That's why i said you are bias. Can we settle this peacefully?

Sorry, i made this in public, as i want everyone to prove me wrong that you are not BIAS! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 14 2013, 04:59 PM)
Even though you called me Mr. Dispute Tag which is very rude indeed. Shame on you, call people as that nick name. Is this a mod should behave???  hmm.gif Again, this show you are bias and abusing your power, just simply to humiliate a person.
If you realized that you have competitors though you said they are your friends, then why you still sell and become a mod/trade enforcer? Absolutely this is called conflict of interest.

Others dont complain about you doesnt mean they are afraid, just because you can abuse your power and simply ruin one's business. Personally, i dont have anything against you, but your ethic as a mod really is questionable. How can a mod call a person like that? You should respect other in order others to respect you. If you still want people to remind you about this, i think you should not be a mod at the first place. rolleyes.gif
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Bolded the LOUSY BUYER there.

Looks like u treat your buyer by calling them names too, why cant people call u nick names which is less rude then u calling people lousy.. ??? doh.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 14 2013, 04:59 PM)
Even though you called me Mr. Dispute Tag which is very rude indeed. Shame on you, call people as that nick name. Is this a mod should behave???  hmm.gif Again, this show you are bias and abusing your power, just simply to humiliate a person.
If you realized that you have competitors though you said they are your friends, then why you still sell and become a mod/trade enforcer? Absolutely this is called conflict of interest.

Others dont complain about you doesnt mean they are afraid, just because you can abuse your power and simply ruin one's business. Personally, i dont have anything against you, but your ethic as a mod really is questionable. How can a mod call a person like that? You should respect other in order others to respect you. If you still want people to remind you about this, i think you should not be a mod at the first place. rolleyes.gif
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No matter what u try to say, you are the major culprit now, nobody is on ur side not because you are not a mod, or you r a Shinning Dispute Tag holder, you ruin ur own reputation by :~

1) calling ppl nuts,
2) call ppl lousy buyer which actually u r the worst,
3) keep saying mod Apis bias which he's not, totally not
4) no bothered to the previous case
5) no bothered to all the ppl over this thread & the previous, we r those who trying to help, even mod Apis, but u never see

Look at my case, after one year, when I ask for help and checking, he go all out to go thru the whole case, and came out with evidence, he help ppl all out man, i respect that seriously, and this is what we call it sincere, helpful, fair... and compare with u, ur attitude prove to everyone, I don't want to say it further.

Learn from ur mistake, and always look back on urself, don't point figure to others, I hope u will learn this time, i will not comment in this thread anymore as well, live as u like, all the best.

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 14 2013, 04:15 PM)
Dear Admin,

Thanks for replying me. In fact i have done my best to settle this case though i'm not in the wrong position. As you can see from the pm i sent to chin_kh, i sold him an ap set and not sme set claim as ap. Between both of us, we know who is right and who is wrong. The problem now is chin_kh ignore my pm & refused to settle this false dispute which started from him.

Now, apis sided on him and keep on pestering me that i was wrong and until the extend to claim me as conman/Mr. dispute tag holder. By law, no one is guilty until he is proven wrong.

Nevertheless, i realized the longer this issue drag, the more severe it will affect my genuine and ethic business here. I'm just a petty trader and wish to earn some for living and sometimes just to get rid of my excessive gadgets (sold without any profit gain). Apis not only dont give me opportunity but he go and poison my sales thread everyday. Like old saying, "pour sand into one's rice bowl".

For the matter of fact, i respect each moderator/admin/staff of lowyat as they doing an impeccable service without any fees. Kudos to all of them but unfortunately, apis did bias and because of conflict of interest, he tend to be bias. Give you an example, i sold Note 2 and he also sell Note 2. In order to sell off the Note 2, buyers will also consider pricing, service after sales and one's credibility. By comparison, apis is a seller and also a trade enforcer or mod, so people will definitely listen to what he claim/posted/comment. For my case, he poison all my sales thread in order for others (buyers) to buy his Note 2. Now, can you see the case clearly here? hmm.gif

I will respect with salute more if you can refrain/stop all the mods & trade enforcer to sell due to conflict of interest. Then i call this is fair and the garage sales forum would be a better place to deal and no bias. smile.gif

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kalau dalam game bolasepak...pemain mau complain pengadil...sudah lama ini org kena buang padang ooo.....hahaha
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QUOTE(shufaz @ Jan 14 2013, 05:12 PM)
LOL. I had to reply

I'm not a fan of him, but Apis deserved to be more than a mod here
Do you know how much he had helped others? how many that had been saved from being cheated because of him?
He had not being biased at all, as you can see everybody is against you. They are not being biased, they've all gave you a chance, many chances, for the past 8 months, and you blew it.

YOU IGNORED THE THREAD FOR MORE THAN 8 MONTHS, FOR GOD SAKE!

So obviously, you are at fault here. Don't go complaining others for being bias.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 14 2013, 04:59 PM)
If you realized that you have competitors though you said they are your friends, then why you still sell and become a mod/trade enforcer? Absolutely this is called conflict of interest.
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You say that conflict of interest... as far as i know apis already a seller before he promoted to mods... I still remember I congrats him a few days after the promotion.
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Dah habis ke?
What i can see is, this guy try to find a solution/place to complain and found the wrong one..
Nobody listen with both ear(unless i missread somewhere), and he forced to walk away...
Sometime i really pity TS...but i dont know which is true...
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QUOTE(Monosakai @ Jan 15 2013, 05:26 AM)
Dah habis ke?
What i can see is, this guy try to find a solution/place to complain and found the wrong one..
Nobody listen with both ear(unless i missread somewhere), and he forced to walk away...
Sometime i really pity TS...but i dont know which is true...
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Before you comment that you pity the TS pls read the comments that he ignored his customer complain for ard 8 months.
Now after having a dispute tag only he decides to reply.

Who would you pity? TS or his customer that didn't get any response from him for so many months.
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QUOTE(Monosakai @ Jan 15 2013, 05:26 AM)
Dah habis ke?
What i can see is, this guy try to find a solution/place to complain and found the wrong one..
Nobody listen with both ear(unless i missread somewhere), and he forced to walk away...
Sometime i really pity TS...but i dont know which is true...
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i sappork apis on this one. u dun settle the case with the buyer u will remain having the dispute tag. gudluk with that.
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To summarize the whole thing again and answer all of your doubts:

1. chin_kh opened a false complain on me.
2. I ignore him because it's baseless and untrue.
3. apis sided on chin_kh and kacau my thread everyday
4. Due to apis influence and abuse of power, admin awarded me a dispute tag
5. apis tease me with Mr. Dispute tag holder nick name
6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him

Again, i repeat that I sold ap set to chin_kh and not sme claim as ap. He made up the whole story and by virtue i refused to reply on his absurd complain thread, he used that to blind apis into believing his created fairy tale. Apis without listening to both side (as he is BIAS) commented/posted/criticized my selling thread everyday.

As a fair mod, apis suppose to investigate the case thoroughly and seek clarification from both side. But due to BIASNESS and CONFLICT OF INTEREST, he tend to ruin my image and credibility here. Moreover, as a mod, he cant tease or humiliate someone by calling MR. Dispute tag holder. He should somehow show respect and at least understand the basic of calling a person.

I wonder what apis told the admin, Se7en about my case but i believe Se7en should voice his stand here why he given me the dispute tag. This will be fair on the check and balance. If apis told Se7en (admin) to issue me dispute tag and he without finding the right facts and eventually awarded me the tag, then this will be very unfair to me.

The reason why i didnt reply on chin_kh's false thread is the complain is baseless and I really look stupid if i reply. For example, a stranger accused you for conviction of crime in facebook, knowing the fact that it was untrue and baseless. Then, is it necessarily to explain why you did not do it? By right i can complain back that the false thread created by chin_kh to admin or mod which what am i doing right now.

Let us go back to the initial objective of having a dispute and trade zone forum. Simple, to assist people from getting con or any negative incidents. But the point is whether there is any check and balance or clarification made whether the complain thread is genuine or not??? hmm.gif For my case, the false complain thread created by chin_kh was a story told by him alone. I felt it was utterly untrue and i refused to reply. But apis concluded i refuse to defend myself. But apis never ask me why i refused to answer the false thread. Eventually i told apis why but he insisted to side on chin_kh.

Overall, this is why i open a complain thread against apis_LuaLua, being BIAS on my case and have conflict of business due to his identity as a seller and a trade enforcer.... nod.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 11:43 AM)
To summarize the whole thing again and answer all of your doubts:

1. chin_kh opened a false complain on me.
2. I ignore him because it's baseless and untrue.
3. apis sided on chin_kh and kacau my thread everyday
4. Due to apis influence and abuse of power, admin awarded me a dispute tag
5. apis tease me with Mr. Dispute tag holder nick name
6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him

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QUOTE(Noysan @ Jan 15 2013, 11:50 AM)
what comes around goes around... whistling.gif
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ok, then should chin_kh also should be tag as dispute tag holder like me? Reason, he ignored all my pm... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 11:52 AM)
ok, then should chin_kh also should be tag as dispute tag holder like me? Reason, he ignored all my pm... hmm.gif
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you're making yourself look like a fool man... are you high?? doh.gif
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QUOTE(Noysan @ Jan 15 2013, 11:55 AM)
you're making yourself look like a fool man... are you high?? doh.gif
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looking at your avatar, no wonder you can said high thing like that... rolleyes.gif
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ok, then should chin_kh also should be tag as dispute tag holder like me? Reason, he ignored all my pm... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 12:00 PM)
looking at your avatar, no wonder you can said high thing like that... rolleyes.gif
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Dear Admin/Se7en & apis,

To show my sincerity to end this mess, i hope chin_kh pls come forward and tell me what you want. If you are afraid uncomfortable to pm me, you may email me or calling my mobile.

Let's us settle this case gentlemen. Fine, i will take back the ap set and give you a reasonable refund. At least, reply my pm or email or call me to settle it face to face. Forget about all the accusations as "CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT". I eat that up and i'm willingly to do a refund. Can admin remove the dispute tag for this moment because i'm unable to get reach of chin_kh. If he keeps on ignoring me, i'll be tagged forever, then it is unfair to me.

To the rest who concern, stop putting fire and minyak on this complain. My main objective is to remedy and to resolve this matter asap. No more personal attack and absurd remarks.

Thanks notworthy.gif

ps: If Admin/mod think i should reply to http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2316288 please assist to link my posting to it.

Dear chin_kh,
If you put in your complain thread as "Complain against suntzulee" and not "Conman:suntzulee", i would love to reply at the first place. Sometimes words and accusations are very powerful. Whether people want to take you seriously or ignore you is all depend how you frame it. Nevertheless, CUSTOMER is always right, I give in and pls contact me asap.... notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 12:26 PM)
Dear Admin/Se7en & apis,

To show my sincerity to end this mess, i hope chin_kh pls come forward and tell me what you want. If you are afraid uncomfortable to pm me, you may email me or calling my mobile.

Let's us settle this case gentlemen. Fine, i will take back the ap set and give you a reasonable refund. At least, reply my pm or email or call me to settle it face to face. Forget about all the accusations as "CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT". I eat that up and i'm willingly to do a refund. Can admin remove the dispute tag for this moment because i'm unable to get reach of chin_kh. If he keeps on ignoring me, i'll be tagged forever, then it is unfair to me.

To the rest who concern, stop putting fire and minyak on this complain. My main objective is to remedy and to resolve this matter asap. No more personal attack and absurd remarks.

Thanks notworthy.gif

ps: If Admin/mod think i should reply to http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2316288 please assist to link my posting to it.

Dear chin_kh,
If you put in your complain thread as "Complain against suntzulee" and not "Conman:suntzulee", i would love to reply at the first place. Sometimes words and accusations are very powerful. Whether people want to take you seriously or ignore you is all depend how you frame it. Nevertheless, CUSTOMER is always right, I give in and pls contact me asap.... notworthy.gif
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Dear suntzulee,

Please reply your kind words at chin_kh thread.
Your thread here are just to defame and accused the mods (apis) and the admins.

Since you are so determined that you are being wronged and bullied (i assumed you think so), please contact the admins (pm them maybe) directly asking for advise.

Bumping and replying to this thread just make you look bad (at least to me).

Another advise, if youre willing to turn a new leaf, just abandon this id and make a new one. just a suggestion tho.
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I wonder why I kept feeding the troll... lol.

To summarize the whole thing again and answer all of your doubts:

1. chin_kh opened a false complain on me.
-so you should do something about it - reply. defend yourself
2. I ignore him because it's baseless and untrue.
-wrong move. ingnoring will only make you seem more guilty.
3. apis sided on chin_kh and kacau my thread everyday
-no one sided with anyone. you just happened not to care about your customer. so everyone think you are at fault here
4. Due to apis influence and abuse of power, admin awarded me a dispute tag
-admins aren't stupid. they will not give dispute tag without making their own judgement first. as you can see from the original thread, there are no reply from you, at all.
5. apis tease me with Mr. Dispute tag holder nick name
-you called him Bias Mod first. he did give you pm informing you about the original thread
6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
-after some freaking months. chin_kh probably lost his interest already.
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him
-you ignored him at the first place.

Again, i repeat that I sold ap set to chin_kh and not sme claim as ap. He made up the whole story and by virtue i refused to reply on his absurd complain thread, he used that to blind apis into believing his created fairy tale. Apis without listening to both side (as he is BIAS) commented/posted/criticized my selling thread everyday.
-everyone who read the original thread aren't biased at all. some of them even said that it's partly chin_kh's fault for not checking during cod. everyone is open minded and trying to see who's actually at fault. the problem is, you did not come to defend yourself. at all. in any way. automatically chin_kh wins. as a seller, you ignored the complaint of a customer, maybe he is making that up, but you had to at least be professional and tell your side of story with proof. when you didn't do that, so obviously you just acting like any conmen do, hence the dispute tag.

As a fair mod, apis suppose to investigate the case thoroughly and seek clarification from both side. But due to BIASNESS and CONFLICT OF INTEREST, he tend to ruin my image and credibility here. Moreover, as a mod, he cant tease or humiliate someone by calling MR. Dispute tag holder. He should somehow show respect and at least understand the basic of calling a person.
-he did. he wants to know your story, everyone did. everyone who read the original thread knows. he is a mod, he is also a person, but you did basically piss everyone who actually wanted to help you at the first place.

I wonder what apis told the admin, Se7en about my case but i believe Se7en should voice his stand here why he given me the dispute tag. This will be fair on the check and balance. If apis told Se7en (admin) to issue me dispute tag and he without finding the right facts and eventually awarded me the tag, then this will be very unfair to me.
-he didn't award you the tag just for fun or just because somebody asked him to. look back at the original thread, and you can easily see why you got it.

The reason why i didnt reply on chin_kh's false thread is the complain is baseless and I really look stupid if i reply. For example, a stranger accused you for conviction of crime in facebook, knowing the fact that it was untrue and baseless. Then, is it necessarily to explain why you did not do it? By right i can complain back that the false thread created by chin_kh to admin or mod which what am i doing right now.
-so, if someone drag you to court with false claim, will you keep quite? no, right? at the very least you will say 'i didn't do it!' - a kind of defense statement. now, lets take a look your stars, wow, so many. so you should, no, you had to know how lowyat.net system work. if you have a thread here, be it a false claim, you should come and defend yourself. its so simple, yet you failed to do so.

Let us go back to the initial objective of having a dispute and trade zone forum. Simple, to assist people from getting con or any negative incidents. But the point is whether there is any check and balance or clarification made whether the complain thread is genuine or not??? hmm.gif For my case, the false complain thread created by chin_kh was a story told by him alone. I felt it was utterly untrue and i refused to reply. But apis concluded i refuse to defend myself. But apis never ask me why i refused to answer the false thread. Eventually i told apis why but he insisted to side on chin_kh.
-not just apis, everyone. everyone concluded you failed to defend yourself. nobody can actually check and balance. nobody can actually see some clarification. and oh god, this is whyyyyy we have the complaint thread! - to actually judge whether the complaint is genuine and should be entertained or not! so you should be here at the first place! if you really had PMs defending yourself with apis like you said, show us. you are not a tv celebrity who can choose to ignore gossips, you are a trader. you should not risk your safe trader tag, nor your stars because of this, that is why you have to again, freaking defend yourself. and when you failed to do it, all your hard work, your stars, your seniority, meant nothing. in everyone eyes, you're just another conmen.

Overall, this is why i open a complain thread against apis_LuaLua, being BIAS on my case and have conflict of business due to his identity as a seller and a trade enforcer....
-another wrong move. this is like digging your own grave. nuff said

sorry if i hurt your feelings. i'm usually a silent reader in here. but i don't know why my heart is screaming in frustration whenever i'm in this thread. -hence the reply. lol

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From what I read, I still don't see any sign of sincerity. Posting is still fill with sarcastic remarks. TS, consider this a hard lesson learned. Since u so have the integrity to settle, do it in a respectful manner and I m sure ppl are willing to forgive and forget.
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after dissapear like ghost last year, this year put the blame on mod & admin... how clever of you can think like that.. in court, u already officially lost on default , u know...
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 11:52 AM)
ok, then should chin_kh also should be tag as dispute tag holder like me? Reason, he ignored all my pm... hmm.gif
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no, because he just ignored you for, lets see... 5 days. unlike you who ignored everything for 5 months before holding the tag.
even if he ignored you forever, he is still not the one at fault here. why should he be tagged?
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QUOTE(shufaz @ Jan 15 2013, 12:58 PM)
I wonder why I kept feeding the troll... lol.

To summarize the whole thing again and answer all of your doubts:

1. chin_kh opened a false complain on me.
-so you should do something about it - reply. defend yourself
2. I ignore him because it's baseless and untrue.
-wrong move. ingnoring will only make you seem more guilty.
3. apis sided on chin_kh and kacau my thread everyday
-no one sided with anyone. you just happened not to care about your customer. so everyone think you are at fault here
4. Due to apis influence and abuse of power, admin awarded me a dispute tag
-admins aren't stupid. they will not give dispute tag without making their own judgement first. as you can see from the original thread, there are no reply from you, at all.
5. apis tease me with Mr. Dispute tag holder nick name
-you called him Bias Mod first. he did give you pm informing you about the original thread
6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
-after some freaking months. chin_kh probably lost his interest already.
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him
-you ignored him at the first place.

Again, i repeat that I sold ap set to chin_kh and not sme claim as ap. He made up the whole story and by virtue i refused to reply on his absurd complain thread, he used that to blind apis into believing his created fairy tale. Apis without listening to both side (as he is BIAS) commented/posted/criticized my selling thread everyday.
-everyone who read the original thread aren't biased at all. some of them even said that it's partly chin_kh's fault for not checking during cod. everyone is open minded and trying to see who's actually at fault. the problem is, you did not come to defend yourself. at all. in any way. automatically chin_kh wins. as a seller, you ignored the complaint of a customer, maybe he is making that up, but you had to at least be professional and tell your side of story with proof. when you didn't do that, so obviously you just acting like any conmen do, hence the dispute tag.

As a fair mod, apis suppose to investigate the case thoroughly and seek clarification from both side. But due to BIASNESS and CONFLICT OF INTEREST, he tend to ruin my image and credibility here. Moreover, as a mod, he cant tease or humiliate someone by calling MR. Dispute tag holder. He should somehow show respect and at least understand the basic of calling a person.
-he did. he wants to know your story, everyone did. everyone who read the original thread knows. he is a mod, he is also a person, but you did basically piss everyone who actually wanted to help you at the first place.

I wonder what apis told the admin, Se7en about my case but i believe Se7en should voice his stand here why he given me the dispute tag. This will be fair on the check and balance. If apis told Se7en (admin) to issue me dispute tag and he without finding the right facts and eventually awarded me the tag, then this will be very unfair to me.
-he didn't award you the tag just for fun or just because somebody asked him to. look back at the original thread, and you can easily see why you got it.

The reason why i didnt reply on chin_kh's false thread is the complain is baseless and I really look stupid if i reply. For example, a stranger accused you for conviction of crime in facebook, knowing the fact that it was untrue and baseless. Then, is it necessarily to explain why you did not do it? By right i can complain back that the false thread created by chin_kh to admin or mod which what am i doing right now.
-so, if someone drag you to court with false claim, will you keep quite? no, right? at the very least you will say 'i didn't do it!' - a kind of defense statement. now, lets take a look your stars, wow, so many. so you should, no, you had to know how lowyat.net system work. if you have a thread here, be it a false claim, you should come and defend yourself. its so simple, yet you failed to do so.

Let us go back to the initial objective of having a dispute and trade zone forum. Simple, to assist people from getting con or any negative incidents. But the point is whether there is any check and balance or clarification made whether the complain thread is genuine or not??? hmm.gif For my case, the false complain thread created by chin_kh was a story told by him alone. I felt it was utterly untrue and i refused to reply. But apis concluded i refuse to defend myself. But apis never ask me why i refused to answer the false thread. Eventually i told apis why but he insisted to side on chin_kh.
-not just apis, everyone. everyone concluded you failed to defend yourself. nobody can actually check and balance. nobody can actually see some clarification. and oh god, this is whyyyyy we have the complaint thread! - to actually judge whether the complaint is genuine and should be entertained or not! so you should be here at the first place! if you really had PMs defending yourself with apis like you said, show us. you are not a tv celebrity who can choose to ignore gossips, you are a trader. you should not risk your safe trader tag, nor your stars because of this, that is why you have to again, freaking defend yourself. and when you failed to do it, all your hard work, your stars, your seniority, meant nothing. in everyone eyes, you're just another conmen.

Overall, this is why i open a complain thread against apis_LuaLua, being BIAS on my case and have conflict of business due to his identity as a seller and a trade enforcer....
-another wrong move. this is like digging your own grave. nuff said

sorry if i hurt your feelings. i'm usually a silent reader in here. but i don't know why my heart is screaming in frustration whenever i'm in this thread. -hence the reply. lol
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QUOTE(shufaz @ Jan 15 2013, 12:58 PM)
I wonder why I kept feeding the troll... lol.

To summarize the whole thing again and answer all of your doubts:

1. chin_kh opened a false complain on me.
-so you should do something about it - reply. defend yourself
2. I ignore him because it's baseless and untrue.
-wrong move. ingnoring will only make you seem more guilty.
3. apis sided on chin_kh and kacau my thread everyday
-no one sided with anyone. you just happened not to care about your customer. so everyone think you are at fault here
4. Due to apis influence and abuse of power, admin awarded me a dispute tag
-admins aren't stupid. they will not give dispute tag without making their own judgement first. as you can see from the original thread, there are no reply from you, at all.
5. apis tease me with Mr. Dispute tag holder nick name
-you called him Bias Mod first. he did give you pm informing you about the original thread
6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
-after some freaking months. chin_kh probably lost his interest already.
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him
-you ignored him at the first place.

Again, i repeat that I sold ap set to chin_kh and not sme claim as ap. He made up the whole story and by virtue i refused to reply on his absurd complain thread, he used that to blind apis into believing his created fairy tale. Apis without listening to both side (as he is BIAS) commented/posted/criticized my selling thread everyday.
-everyone who read the original thread aren't biased at all. some of them even said that it's partly chin_kh's fault for not checking during cod. everyone is open minded and trying to see who's actually at fault. the problem is, you did not come to defend yourself. at all. in any way. automatically chin_kh wins. as a seller, you ignored the complaint of a customer, maybe he is making that up, but you had to at least be professional and tell your side of story with proof. when you didn't do that, so obviously you just acting like any conmen do, hence the dispute tag.

As a fair mod, apis suppose to investigate the case thoroughly and seek clarification from both side. But due to BIASNESS and CONFLICT OF INTEREST, he tend to ruin my image and credibility here. Moreover, as a mod, he cant tease or humiliate someone by calling MR. Dispute tag holder. He should somehow show respect and at least understand the basic of calling a person.
-he did. he wants to know your story, everyone did. everyone who read the original thread knows. he is a mod, he is also a person, but you did basically piss everyone who actually wanted to help you at the first place.

I wonder what apis told the admin, Se7en about my case but i believe Se7en should voice his stand here why he given me the dispute tag. This will be fair on the check and balance. If apis told Se7en (admin) to issue me dispute tag and he without finding the right facts and eventually awarded me the tag, then this will be very unfair to me.
-he didn't award you the tag just for fun or just because somebody asked him to. look back at the original thread, and you can easily see why you got it.

The reason why i didnt reply on chin_kh's false thread is the complain is baseless and I really look stupid if i reply. For example, a stranger accused you for conviction of crime in facebook, knowing the fact that it was untrue and baseless. Then, is it necessarily to explain why you did not do it? By right i can complain back that the false thread created by chin_kh to admin or mod which what am i doing right now.
-so, if someone drag you to court with false claim, will you keep quite? no, right? at the very least you will say 'i didn't do it!' - a kind of defense statement. now, lets take a look your stars, wow, so many. so you should, no, you had to know how lowyat.net system work. if you have a thread here, be it a false claim, you should come and defend yourself. its so simple, yet you failed to do so.

Let us go back to the initial objective of having a dispute and trade zone forum. Simple, to assist people from getting con or any negative incidents. But the point is whether there is any check and balance or clarification made whether the complain thread is genuine or not??? hmm.gif For my case, the false complain thread created by chin_kh was a story told by him alone. I felt it was utterly untrue and i refused to reply. But apis concluded i refuse to defend myself. But apis never ask me why i refused to answer the false thread. Eventually i told apis why but he insisted to side on chin_kh.
-not just apis, everyone. everyone concluded you failed to defend yourself. nobody can actually check and balance. nobody can actually see some clarification. and oh god, this is whyyyyy we have the complaint thread! - to actually judge whether the complaint is genuine and should be entertained or not! so you should be here at the first place! if you really had PMs defending yourself with apis like you said, show us. you are not a tv celebrity who can choose to ignore gossips, you are a trader. you should not risk your safe trader tag, nor your stars because of this, that is why you have to again, freaking defend yourself. and when you failed to do it, all your hard work, your stars, your seniority, meant nothing. in everyone eyes, you're just another conmen.

Overall, this is why i open a complain thread against apis_LuaLua, being BIAS on my case and have conflict of business due to his identity as a seller and a trade enforcer....
-another wrong move. this is like digging your own grave. nuff said

sorry if i hurt your feelings. i'm usually a silent reader in here. but i don't know why my heart is screaming in frustration whenever i'm in this thread. -hence the reply. lol
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 11:52 AM)
ok, then should chin_kh also should be tag as dispute tag holder like me? Reason, he ignored all my pm... hmm.gif
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let said chin_kh accused you sellinh AP, did you ever come and defense your self with prove? never rite..

its like court calling you to defense yourself but you never turn up than now you want to blame people?

and i wonder why you never ever want to provide any proved? rclxub.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(jmunchar @ Jan 15 2013, 09:09 AM)
Before you comment that you pity the TS pls read the comments that he ignored his customer complain for ard 8 months.
Now after having a dispute tag only he decides to reply.

Who would you pity? TS or his customer that didn't get any response from him for so many months.
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We as human, have a pity to another human, not only for a good people...but also to a bad guy...bukan bermakna cakap sape2 salah..sapa2 bad..just a pity...
Seperti junjungan kita mengasihani,bahkan yang melontar batu pada beliau tidak dibenci,kasihanlah..(jangan nak ceramah agama sangat...nanti kene bash)

I feel pity for him, not that i say he is right,or i say apis is wrong...i know, apis is a good guy helping people who got scammed here,many time...he also help for my case long time ago..
but i feel pity for the TS...for what he have done,any wrong he did for receiving this and, what he going through...and i do hope that he resolve this with manner and right way...and dont do it again..pity la u..

One thing I dont understand...
What TS try to archive here...
what TS expecting....
What he want in return...

Ok thats not one thing...
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 11:43 AM)

6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him
You only attempted to contact original complaint after 8-months. I won't call that trying hard. Do you still have his HP No. Have you tried to sms him Now perhaps you know how he felt when he tried to contact you unsuccessfully.


QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 11:43 AM)

Again, i repeat that I sold ap set to chin_kh and not sme claim as ap. He made up the whole story and by virtue i refused to reply on his absurd complain thread, he used that to blind apis into believing his created fairy tale. Apis without listening to both side (as he is BIAS) commented/posted/criticized my selling thread everyday.
Where is the proof that you said it was a AP set and not SME set? O yeah, you sold the phone when the msg was kept and formatted the phone first. But why didn't you post the evidence when it was still with you?

This is not about a stranger making a baseless accusation against you. chin_kh had a business transaction with you and is making a complaint arising from the said business transaction. Had this case gone to court / tribunal, by your actions of just keeping quiet and not presenting any rebuttal evidence, you would be found guilty.

I hope that chin_kh contacts you again and resolves this issue. Perhaps you should make your offer price public to see if other forumers think its a fair price.
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hi apis, lets forgive each and another and move on. Everyone would like us to settle this once and for all and have a happy ending eventually. I'm requesting a favor from you. Could you please help me to pm chin_kh and ask him what he want or please reply my pm?

Thanks. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 03:18 PM)
hi apis, lets forgive each and another and move on. Everyone would like us to settle this once and for all and have a happy ending eventually. I'm requesting a favor from you. Could you please help me to pm chin_kh and ask him what he want or please reply my pm?

Thanks. notworthy.gif
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Wow...now he change mood already. Friendlier tone after all the ranting sweat.gif

Did you reply to the old dispute thread by chin_kh? If not then that's the better place to do if you sincerely want to contact him to solve coz obviously he's already feed up with your previous "ignoring him treatment". If I were chin_kh I would ignore you too if only now you want to talk after all this time sweat.gif

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 03:18 PM)
hi apis, lets forgive each and another and move on. Everyone would like us to settle this once and for all and have a happy ending eventually. I'm requesting a favor from you. Could you please help me to pm chin_kh and ask him what he want or please reply my pm?

Thanks. notworthy.gif
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I hope you are going to be patient. you ignored him for 8 months, probably chin_kh wanted to give the same treatment back at you.
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QUOTE(shufaz @ Jan 15 2013, 12:58 PM)
I wonder why I kept feeding the troll... lol.

To summarize the whole thing again and answer all of your doubts:

1. chin_kh opened a false complain on me.
-so you should do something about it - reply. defend yourself
2. I ignore him because it's baseless and untrue.
-wrong move. ingnoring will only make you seem more guilty.
3. apis sided on chin_kh and kacau my thread everyday
-no one sided with anyone. you just happened not to care about your customer. so everyone think you are at fault here
4. Due to apis influence and abuse of power, admin awarded me a dispute tag
-admins aren't stupid. they will not give dispute tag without making their own judgement first. as you can see from the original thread, there are no reply from you, at all.
5. apis tease me with Mr. Dispute tag holder nick name
-you called him Bias Mod first. he did give you pm informing you about the original thread
6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
-after some freaking months. chin_kh probably lost his interest already.
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him
-you ignored him at the first place.

Again, i repeat that I sold ap set to chin_kh and not sme claim as ap. He made up the whole story and by virtue i refused to reply on his absurd complain thread, he used that to blind apis into believing his created fairy tale. Apis without listening to both side (as he is BIAS) commented/posted/criticized my selling thread everyday.
-everyone who read the original thread aren't biased at all. some of them even said that it's partly chin_kh's fault for not checking during cod. everyone is open minded and trying to see who's actually at fault. the problem is, you did not come to defend yourself. at all. in any way. automatically chin_kh wins. as a seller, you ignored the complaint of a customer, maybe he is making that up, but you had to at least be professional and tell your side of story with proof. when you didn't do that, so obviously you just acting like any conmen do, hence the dispute tag.

As a fair mod, apis suppose to investigate the case thoroughly and seek clarification from both side. But due to BIASNESS and CONFLICT OF INTEREST, he tend to ruin my image and credibility here. Moreover, as a mod, he cant tease or humiliate someone by calling MR. Dispute tag holder. He should somehow show respect and at least understand the basic of calling a person.
-he did. he wants to know your story, everyone did. everyone who read the original thread knows. he is a mod, he is also a person, but you did basically piss everyone who actually wanted to help you at the first place.

I wonder what apis told the admin, Se7en about my case but i believe Se7en should voice his stand here why he given me the dispute tag. This will be fair on the check and balance. If apis told Se7en (admin) to issue me dispute tag and he without finding the right facts and eventually awarded me the tag, then this will be very unfair to me.
-he didn't award you the tag just for fun or just because somebody asked him to. look back at the original thread, and you can easily see why you got it.

The reason why i didnt reply on chin_kh's false thread is the complain is baseless and I really look stupid if i reply. For example, a stranger accused you for conviction of crime in facebook, knowing the fact that it was untrue and baseless. Then, is it necessarily to explain why you did not do it? By right i can complain back that the false thread created by chin_kh to admin or mod which what am i doing right now.
-so, if someone drag you to court with false claim, will you keep quite? no, right? at the very least you will say 'i didn't do it!' - a kind of defense statement. now, lets take a look your stars, wow, so many. so you should, no, you had to know how lowyat.net system work. if you have a thread here, be it a false claim, you should come and defend yourself. its so simple, yet you failed to do so.

Let us go back to the initial objective of having a dispute and trade zone forum. Simple, to assist people from getting con or any negative incidents. But the point is whether there is any check and balance or clarification made whether the complain thread is genuine or not??? hmm.gif For my case, the false complain thread created by chin_kh was a story told by him alone. I felt it was utterly untrue and i refused to reply. But apis concluded i refuse to defend myself. But apis never ask me why i refused to answer the false thread. Eventually i told apis why but he insisted to side on chin_kh.
-not just apis, everyone. everyone concluded you failed to defend yourself. nobody can actually check and balance. nobody can actually see some clarification. and oh god, this is whyyyyy we have the complaint thread! - to actually judge whether the complaint is genuine and should be entertained or not! so you should be here at the first place! if you really had PMs defending yourself with apis like you said, show us. you are not a tv celebrity who can choose to ignore gossips, you are a trader. you should not risk your safe trader tag, nor your stars because of this, that is why you have to again, freaking defend yourself. and when you failed to do it, all your hard work, your stars, your seniority, meant nothing. in everyone eyes, you're just another conmen.

Overall, this is why i open a complain thread against apis_LuaLua, being BIAS on my case and have conflict of business due to his identity as a seller and a trade enforcer....
-another wrong move. this is like digging your own grave. nuff said

sorry if i hurt your feelings. i'm usually a silent reader in here. but i don't know why my heart is screaming in frustration whenever i'm in this thread. -hence the reply. lol
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One thing I would like to know from the seller.

Did you have any proof to show that you are selling AP phone to buyer? If you have the proof, then you can clear your name there as buyer might be mis-read it.
After reading all 5 pages of comment in here, I didn't see any proof where you stated you are selling AP set, even though many people have asked you.

On the Apis's part where he's bias or seller, I can concur that he's the seller before promoted to Mod. From what my observation, Admin will only remove your dispute tag once they gotten confirmation from seller or the victim. Admin need prove to show that you have already resolve the issue.

Do you still have buyer's hp number? Perhap calling him to solve the issue faster than PM/email to him. Once sorted it out, then can give conclusion/answer to all of us.


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The only way to settle this is to refund in full to chin_kh. Price depreciation is not taken into account here because you didn't bother to reply him when he filed a dispute against you. How could he ask for a full refund last time when you didn't even bother to reply him ? It's either Dispute Tag forever or full refund. Your choice.

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QUOTE(nonameNo @ Jan 15 2013, 05:31 PM)
One thing I would like to know from the seller.

Did you have any proof to show that you are selling AP phone to buyer? If you have the proof, then you can clear your name there as buyer might be mis-read it.
After reading all 5 pages of comment in here, I didn't see any proof where you stated you are selling AP set, even though many people have asked you.

On the Apis's part where he's bias or seller, I can concur that he's the seller before promoted to Mod. From what my observation, Admin will only remove your dispute tag once they gotten confirmation from seller or the victim. Admin need prove to show that you have already resolve the issue.

Do you still have buyer's hp number? Perhap calling him to solve the issue faster than PM/email to him. Once sorted it out, then can give conclusion/answer to all of us.
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If you've read the original thread.

The seller has been avoiding the 'AP' issue like plague from beginning until end.

He is actually still avoiding the issue in this thread now.

You can see that he never quote anybody that is asking him to explain what's going on here.

He just doesn't have the ball to do that since a year ago.
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Jan 15 2013, 08:16 PM)


He just doesn't have the ball to do that since a year ago.
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I rofl when i saw this thread. Apis had helped thousands of buyers avoid conmens and resolved disputes and he ain't even being paid for it.

You got exactly what you deserve when you decided to ignore your customer's complaints, and Apis is just reminding your potential buyers of what you did (AS SHOULD A MOD DO). That's all.
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if i were chin_kh i would either

1.reply seller PM in 8 months time
2.i will absorbed the AP phone and ignore seller and make him forever a dispute tag holder,heck i can afford a few ringgit to ruin someone else;s life since he is trying to be funny with me
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Jan 15 2013, 11:52 AM)
ok, then should chin_kh also should be tag as dispute tag holder like me? Reason, he ignored all my pm... hmm.gif
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Chin_kh will wait for 8 month to reply ur PM as what u done to him before... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Jan 15 2013, 08:16 PM)
If you've read the original thread.

The seller has been avoiding the 'AP' issue like plague from beginning until end.

He is actually still avoiding the issue in this thread now.

You can see that he never quote anybody that is asking him to explain what's going on here.

He just doesn't have the ball to do that since a year ago.
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yes, did read the full thread. i just surprise why he didnt take the action before all these happen.

based on his explanation, he claimed buyer saying baseless accusation against him, thus he ignoring it until now. probably his business is not doing well (guessing) and come forward in "explaining" himself.

if he really want to solve the issue, he should call the buyer's hp (if he have it) to settle once and for all.
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this is so full of win. best phrase for this kind of seller is : IN UR FACE
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after all , look like chin_kh rather u tag dispute than settle with u.

seems u cant have happy trading in lyn even change new ID,the mod will trace. well, good luck yawn.gif
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I feel very sad for him if all he said was true,got accused like him before without proof,of course we are humans,when there's dirt all over your name,its not easy to clean,in the end,the truth will be revealed,all you need to do is wait
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QUOTE(azizul9736 @ Jan 11 2013, 03:59 PM)
What did u mean by market price? That mean u not going to refund the buyer in full?

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Yes it should be full refund. If market price the buyer ( pls don't refer to him as lousy buyer)
Can walk into any phone shop and sell the phone for market price. Why must sell to you
And see your face again? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Jan 16 2013, 08:26 PM)
I feel very sad for him if all he said was true,got accused like him before without proof,of course we are humans,when there's dirt all over your name,its not easy to clean,in the end,the truth will be revealed,all you need to do is wait
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If he claim he was accused unfairly by the buyer why did he choose to ignore the problem and keep silent and all this time did not try solve and provide evidence to support his claim doh.gif
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QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Jan 16 2013, 08:26 PM)
I feel very sad for him if all he said was true,got accused like him before without proof,of course we are humans,when there's dirt all over your name,its not easy to clean,in the end,the truth will be revealed,all you need to do is wait
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this is pretty funny..the truth is there dude doh.gif
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QUOTE(mistgun89 @ Jan 17 2013, 09:42 AM)
this is pretty funny..the truth is there dude doh.gif
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I know what he is trying to say,but what I disagree from him is saying apis is bias and use power to abuse,and with the competitor thing lol,but I also kind of agree that apis should sent him PM first before kacau his thread,as I read,he ignore apis,this one is his fault
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Ive check chin_kh, he always online. Since TS said chin_kh ignore all the PMs, I think he never interested to deal with you anymore..
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QUOTE(gengstapo @ Jan 17 2013, 11:35 AM)
Ive check chin_kh, he always online. Since TS said chin_kh ignore all the PMs, I think he never interested to deal with you anymore..
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Even Apis also not interested to help anymore...
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just leave the dispute on and he deserves it.

thats all.
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Dear All,
I just received a PM from wKkaY regarding my case. I only have 1 statement to make:

I have no interest to resolve my case. You may move on with other LYN id but "suntzulee" will be attached with "Dispute" tag forever.

Thank you.

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QUOTE(chin_kh @ Dec 10 2013, 11:00 PM)
Dear All,
I just received a PM from wKkaY regarding my case. I only have 1 statement to make:

I have no interest to resolve my case. You may move on with other LYN id but "suntzulee" will be attached with "Dispute" tag forever.

Thank you.

chin_kh
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Nice man! It's a total of 9 month since the opening of this thread and you've do the right move! If he didn't want to settle the issue 1 year and 5 months ago, he doesn't deserve to solve this issue now and take his dispute tag off

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wKkaY
post Dec 12 2013, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(chin_kh @ Dec 10 2013, 11:00 PM)
Dear All,
I just received a PM from wKkaY regarding my case. I only have 1 statement to make:

I have no interest to resolve my case. You may move on with other LYN id but "suntzulee" will be attached with "Dispute" tag forever.

Thank you.

chin_kh
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If suntzulee intends to resolve the dispute but you aren't, I will consider the matter closed without resolution.

On April 21st 2014 (the 2nd anniversary of your dispute thread), I will remove suntzulee's dispute tag provided that he doesn't attract anymore disputes.

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