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post Dec 10 2012, 10:16 AM, updated 12y ago

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Welcome to V6, Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

To the One who deserve all Glory and Honour as in this song.




I would like to officiate our fellowship lounge with

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Hebrews 10:24-25
And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.



We are here to fellowship with one another, strengthen our Faith in the Lord. It is hard to grow in the Lord, alone in solitude. God intends for us to be in relationship with each other and our fellowship thread provide a place for you to grow in your relationship with Him and with other people of the same faith.

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QUOTE(SaberCortez @ Dec 10 2012, 11:28 AM)
Nah.. why always got this kind of religious thread one.. I tot lowyat don't allow? just saying..
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 11:32 AM)
there's one for buddhist (created by Joe Mamak) and islam (created by blademaster) in /k/

it's a fellowship thread for believers of the said faith and is allowed for many years already.

what is not allowed is anything outside of these 3 fellowship threads in /k/ because as usual, it causes arguments.
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Few simple rules to follow in our fellowship thread.

1. No flaming/troll post please. Lets keep this fellowship thread clean and encouraging, as it's purpose is more for believers of Christ.
2. Do not argue about other religions please. People of other Faith are welcome to ask and enquire genuine questions or out of curiosity about Christianity.
3. What's discussed in here, stays in here.

Previous Thread V5
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1758395

Good links to share:
http://www.opensong.org/

Opensong!!! It uses your WinXP's extended screen on the projector. So you have your controls in your laptop, and the screen on the projector. It also supports Chinese, and has songs packs and bible verses too, so you can project those verses on screen.

http://www.guitar4christ.com
a database of chords and lyrics for christian songs.

GodTV

http://www.god.tv/



Online Bibles!
English Bible (with multi lingual): http://www.biblegateway.com/

Indonesian/Malay Bible: http://alkitab.otak.info/

Arabic Bible: http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm


Dear Christians, please do let us know about u, like denominations, which church u r from and where is ur church located. Oh, beside that, do let us know what position are u holding in ur church, as in.. hmm pianist ? choral singer ? or even Pastor. tongue.gif

LYN Christ Followers List:
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(Please type in this template [so its easier for me to edit the list]: Username - Denomination | Church | Area Serve-in)
Either PM me or post to notify. But if after u've posted in this thread and I havent add u in the list, please PM me to notify me. Thanks. smile.gif

Christian Bookshops:
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skydrake
post Dec 10 2012, 10:21 AM

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1st! haha
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:21 AM

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post Dec 10 2012, 10:23 AM

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lol skydrake, u got the first post.

yes indeed meistsh_musical thumbup.gif
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 10:23 AM)
lol skydrake, u got the first post.

yes indeed meistsh_musical  thumbup.gif
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this is my very 1st post for group chat in in LYN since I register until now. rclxms.gif
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:32 AM

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oh ya, I wants to share with u guys my wedding photo shooting session behind the scenes at -> http://shinodairy.blogspot.com/2012/12/blog-post_10.html
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Just want to share something I read this morning.

Ephesians 6 4:24
and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness

Ephesians 6 5:1
Be imitators of God, therefore as dearly loved Children


God is telling us to represent him.

When you walk among the world, be careful how we live because we represent the great I AM.

When you represent God, He will empower you to be like Him.




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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 10 2012, 10:34 AM)
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Good day my bro.
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:39 AM

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Pls explain
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:39 AM

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Aww... v5 is no longer used...
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:47 AM

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Congratulation for reaching V6.
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:39 AM)
Pls explain
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You are like gold 916. God will sometimes burn you in hot temperature to change you to 100% pure gold.
He change your heart instead of the situation.

Bro unknown warrior will chip in some info from the bible. He is a walking bible.



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post Dec 10 2012, 10:54 AM

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first.. page..
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:52 AM)
You are like gold 916. God will sometimes burn you in hot temperature to change you to 100% pure gold.
He change your heart instead of the situation.

Bro unknown warrior will chip in some info from the bible. He is a walking bible.
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something like the theory of thermometer and thermostat.. i thnk..
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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Dec 10 2012, 10:56 AM)
something like the theory of thermometer and thermostat.. i thnk..
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Come on guys read the bible lah. Cannot spoon feed all the time.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:32 AM)
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:39 AM)
Pls explain
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I believe God is for us, not against us.

He wants to promote us to a higher calling in life.

But High Position required higher responsibility.

The Bible says much is given much is required. (Luke 12:48)

But Not everyone has the character to sustain such position.

Many Man (Man & Woman) fall to the temptation of irresponsible abuse of power, finance, etc.

So God uses Hard situation to change us and mould us into his Image of humility, peace and wisdom before promoting us.

I believe God doesn't want us to be in a place without the right character.
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QUOTE(happy_berry @ Dec 10 2012, 10:39 AM)
Aww... v5 is no longer used...
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it's already passed it's due.

I think it's suppose to stop automatically.
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QUOTE(Brusky @ Dec 10 2012, 10:47 AM)
Congratulation for reaching V6.
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Thank you bro.

pls share-share ur experience. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 10 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Dec 10 2012, 10:54 AM)
first.. page..
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Welcome timetraveller.
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recently had heart broken, needs to go church to get back my faith , thinking of going to kelana jaya gospel church st.joseph . about 2 - 3 years stoping church ady .
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 10 2012, 10:32 AM)
oh ya, I wants to share with u guys my wedding photo shooting session behind the scenes at -> http://shinodairy.blogspot.com/2012/12/blog-post_10.html
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wah you guise look elegant. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(singdreams @ Dec 10 2012, 11:17 AM)
recently had heart broken, needs to go church to get back my faith , thinking of going to kelana jaya gospel church st.joseph . about 2 - 3 years stoping church ady .
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you can reach out to God anywhere, any time.

Luke 15 17:20

When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death!
I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you.
I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.’
So he got up and went to his father.
“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

God will welcome you with hugs n kisses. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:52 AM)
Bro unknown warrior will chip in some info from the bible. He is a walking bible.
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lol. I wish I am. tongue.gif

And I pray for the same spirit of knowledge to manifest in your life, brother olga. I pray for you to be filled with the words of the Living God.

In Jesus Name.

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Nah.. why always got this kind of religious thread one.. I tot lowyat don't allow? just saying..
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QUOTE(SaberCortez @ Dec 10 2012, 11:28 AM)
Nah.. why always got this kind of religious thread one.. I tot lowyat don't allow? just saying..
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Hi SaberCortez,

you must be new.

there's one for buddhist (created by Joe Mamak) and islam (created by blademaster) in /k/

it's a fellowship thread for believers of the said faith and is allowed for many years already.

what is not allowed is anything outside of these 3 fellowship threads in /k/ because as usual, it causes arguments.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 11:17 AM)
wah you guise look elegant.  thumbup.gif
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thank you rclxms.gif
Tomorrow will choose those actual photo for album, will share with u all again once I got my soft copy thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 12:32 PM)
you must be new.

there's one for buddhist (created by Joe Mamak) and islam (created by blademaster) in /k/

it's a fellowship thread for believers of the said faith and is allowed for many years already.

what is not allowed is anything outside of these 3 fellowship threads in /k/ because as usual, it causes arguments.
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Ohhhh.. Nah, stop being a christian after years of condemnation of Christian people who like to condemn me behind my back.. just saying..
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 11:32 AM)
Hi SaberCortez,

you must be new.

there's one for buddhist (created by Joe Mamak) and islam (created by blademaster) in /k/

it's a fellowship thread for believers of the said faith and is allowed for many years already.

what is not allowed is anything outside of these 3 fellowship threads in /k/ because as usual, it causes arguments.
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Unknown Warrior, I think u need to put some Q&A on the front page. Especially for this question above with highlight. nod.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 12:26 PM)

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hello fren
i want know the story about christian before jesus spread it.
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QUOTE(SaberCortez @ Dec 10 2012, 11:37 AM)
Ohhhh.. Nah, stop being a christian after years of condemnation of Christian people who like to condemn me behind my back.. just saying..
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ha, sad to say, that's normal lah. there's always critics in every church.

Just don't let them condemn you.

You belong to Jesus Christ. Not to them.

Since you belong to Jesus Christ, allow me to encourage you with this


Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.


You may think you've stop but I can vouch that God has not stop calling for you, dear Friend.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 12:41 PM)
ha, sad to say, that's normal lah. there's always critics in every church.

Just don't let them condemn you.

You belong to Jesus Christ. Not to them.

Since you belong to Jesus Christ, allow me to encourage you with this
Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
You may think you've stop but I can vouch that God has not stop calling for you, dear Friend.
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actually all god are live harmony peacefully each other.. only human create a problem
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 10 2012, 11:38 AM)
Unknown Warrior, I think u need to put some Q&A on the front page. Especially for this question above with highlight.  nod.gif
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done.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:32 AM)
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 10 2012, 10:39 AM)
Pls explain
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A very simplistic example:

You wanted the new iPhone, but can't afford it because of yada yada yada.

God is not going to change the situation so that you are financially capable to get the new iPhone.
He wants you to change your heart to be less materialistic.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 11:41 AM)
hello fren
i want know the story about christian before jesus spread it.
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wah that question alone is answered in the Old Testament of the Bible.

Many many pages long.

but in summary, ever since the beginning of time, the very first Man had direct contact with God, Man sinned, cut off Grace (Favour) ties with God.

Man has been looking for God ever since. God kept in contact with many chosen people like Moses, Elijah, Job, Jeremiah, David, etc so that people are not left completely in the dark.

God gave the 10 commandments through Moses as a representation of Who he is because Israel boasted they can do whatever God commands.

Man failed to keep the 10 commandments perfectly, this prove that Man can never come to God via self effort. (self righteousness)

Israel are the chosen nation of God. But sadly Israel did not recognise God through Jesus as the Messiah.

God send Jesus to reveal the Grace of God and who He really is because the 10 commandments was not really what He wanted for the people.

Meaning to Say God does not want Man to come to God in a self righteous way but in a relationship way of depending on Him.



phew. Will answer more later.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 11:42 AM)
actually all god are live harmony peacefully each other.. only human create a problem
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And why does human create problems?

we have this inherited destructive nature called sin.

God wants to sweep it away and cut off the curse of sin in every man's life.

Through the washing of Jesus's blood.
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The Answer to your Prayer
We all have been taught on the subject of prayers. The how, why, when, etc of prayer. And most of the time, we've been taught the reason why, we do not receive is because there's sin in our lives. Allow me to put that into biblical perspective, It is not.

Today I will share out some guidelines and debunked the myth about the sinning part.

Before I start, I always remind the readers, you must be established in your identity in Christ.

Why this is so important? Because it can really hinder your prayer life.

You must be established that you're righteous by Faith and not by works. If you do not recognised that it is Jesus obedience that makes you righteous and not yours, you will always feel guilty and fall short of receiving God's blessings. But the moment, you're able to put aside your own righteousness and wear Jesus's robe of righteousness, every blessing will flow from Heaven because Heaven only recognise Jesus's righteousness as the key.

If God's blessings depend on our thoughts or act of obedience, before the day is finished, we are. The reason? All of us are not perfect people. I don't mean to sound negative but none of us are able to keep God's law perfectly. That is the reality. It saddens me to know that there are people who just cannot believe God is that good to have finished all the work and it's that simple to just believe by Faith we are righteous. And it is by Faith, we receive.

They like to say, Search your Heart if there's any sins in your life. That is not the biblical truth. The bible says in Colossians 3:3 our life is
now hidden in Christ. And since we are in Christ, His identity is ours therefore there is no condemnation. And since there is no condemnation we have been made righteous by Jesus. And God answers those who are righteous. He does not withheld answers to the Righteous. New Covenant is all about Righteousness that comes by Faith through Jesus Christ. Believe you're clean, 100% clean without sin and you have been given this gift of righteousness. Do not feel condemn even if you have fallen from grace. Just confess God's word, you're righteous. Believe it. It will transform your life.

When you pray, right then and there, believe you receive it. That's all. The Bible never says we must conjure up enough Faith for things to happen.
It just says believe and receive it. There is no such things as I must produce enough Faith, then only God will act. That is human reasoning and nonsense. Jesus made a very contrast comparison by saying Faith as small as a mustard seed is able to move mountains. Now question. How big is a mustard seed? How big is a mountain? Do you understand now?

When you believe, have stubborn Faith. Refuse to back down from believing that indeed, before the last words are uttered in your prayer, God has already move his hands in the spiritual realm. You must understand the spiritual realm always comes first before affecting the physical realm.
Believe that you have already receive the answer to your prayer, you shall have it. That's the key. It may take time, it may be immediate, doesn't matter.

What's important, you must believe, the things you prayed for, is already there in your life even though you don't see it.

Last but not least, DO NOT worry. Don't worry even if the dead line is very near. Don't worry thinking God doesn't know your financial need. Don't worry He doesn't know you're lonely, Don't worry, He doesn't know your family have problems. He knows before you even pray.

Don't worry, Don't worry and Don't worry.

The Bible says in

Philippians 4:6 (NLT)
Don't worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done.

Do you know why? Worrying CAN hinder your prayers.

That's all, that's the secret. Simple revelations but it works.

So start praying. Pray for your family. Pray for your career, your studies, your well being, etc. Hope this will change your life as it did to mine.

God Bless.
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Quote for awesomeness....


Sighh, I still can't .... ughh.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 12:58 PM)
wah that question alone is answered in the Old Testament of the Bible.

Many many pages long.

but in summary, ever since the beginning of time, the very first Man had direct contact with God, Man sinned, cut off Grace (Favour) ties with God.

Man has been looking for God ever since. God kept in contact with many chosen people like Moses, Elijah, Job, Jeremiah, David, etc so that people are not left completely in the dark.

God gave the 10 commandments through Moses as a representation of Who he is because Israel boasted they can do whatever God commands.

Man failed to keep the 10 commandments perfectly, this prove that Man can never come to God via self effort. (self righteousness)

Israel are the chosen nation of God. But sadly Israel did not recognise God through Jesus as the Messiah.

God send Jesus to reveal the Grace of God and who He really is because the 10 commandments was not really what He wanted for the people.

Meaning to Say God does not want Man to come to God in a self righteous way but in a relationship way of depending on Him.
phew. Will answer more later.
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No human are perfect even a monk himself.
told about this story... the story of moses really are christian? but some how i watch the movies and some book it describe either moses 10 commandments is islamic or a non islamic and christian. because as i watch the old century movie it no state the god are coming from where, it only appear on burning tree and as a light only.

elijah, job, jeremiah story i will search it outcoming..
i only know moses story and jesus story only
and as a christian do u believe islam and christian are come from some god? (me not racist) but i think along time ago after the story of Muhammed S.A.W. and moses story. Please give me a your opinion, i just want see people opinion about it

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 01:06 PM)
And why does human create problems?

we have this inherited destructive nature called sin.

God wants to sweep it away and cut off the curse of sin in every man's life.

Through the washing of Jesus's blood.
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hmm.gif maybe.. sometime a a god follower also done wrong manner.
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QUOTE(happy_berry @ Dec 10 2012, 12:38 PM)
Quote for awesomeness....
Sighh, I still can't .... ughh.
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Mutter this under your breath. It will help.


Philippians 4:13 (NKJV)
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 12:42 PM)
No human are perfect even a monk himself.
told about this story... the story of moses really are christian? but some how i watch the movies and some book it describe either moses 10 commandments is islamic or a non islamic and christian. because as i watch the old century movie it no state the god are coming from where, it only appear on burning tree and as a light only.

elijah, job, jeremiah story i will search it outcoming..
i only know moses story and jesus story only
and as a christian do u believe islam and christian are come from some god? (me not racist) but i think along time ago after the story of Muhammed S.A.W. and moses story. Please give me a your opinion, i just want see people opinion about it
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 12:45 PM)
hmm.gif  maybe.. sometime a a god follower also done wrong manner.
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will answer you later. Got work.

gtg.

see u guise later.

n pls keep the thread clean.

thank you.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 01:48 PM)
will answer you later. Got work.

gtg.

see u guise later.

n pls keep the thread clean.

thank you.
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A VIEW OF GOD’S ECONOMY OR PURPOSE FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT TYPES

If we read the Old Testament carefully, we will see that it is roughly divided into two sections. The first section is a history of nine persons. The second section is a history of the nation of Israel. Both the history of the nine persons and the history of the nation of Israel are types and pictures. They both describe the same thing—God’s economy.

We will first consider the first section of the Old Testament which is the story of nine persons recorded in the fifty chapters of the book of Genesis. The first five persons of these nine form one group—Adam, Abel, Enosh, Enoch, and Noah. The last four form another group—Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph. The first group shows us how God works Himself into the sinner. The last group shows us how this man into whom God has worked Himself experiences Him as the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. In the end the sinner becomes Israel, who is the prince of God, ruling for God and dispensing His riches into men.

ADAM AND EVE—CHRIST AND THE CHURCH

Adam—Christ as the Expression of God

Among these nine persons, the first is Adam and Eve. Adam is a type in two aspects. After his creation and before his fall, he was a type of Christ who is the embodiment of God. Adam was created by God according to His own image for the purpose of expressing Him. God also entrusted him with the authority to rule over all things to represent Him. Hence the created Adam is a type of Christ expressing God and ruling for God as the Head.

Eve—the Church as the Expression of Christ

God took a rib from Adam to form a woman (Gen. 2:22) who is Eve, his wife. Eve is a type of the church as the expression of Christ. As Eve was from Adam, so the church is from Christ. This picture shows us the desire of God in His economy. God is the unique Male in the universe. He needs a counterpart (Gen. 2:18) which is the created man, redeemed and regenerated by Christ, transformed, and built together to become the church. This is why at the end of the Bible we see the Spirit and the bride speaking as one man in Revelation 22:17. The Spirit is the ultimate expression of the Triune God. He is the processed Triune God. He has a bride which means that He is married to the created, redeemed, regenerated, transformed, and glorified tripartite man. This matter was mentioned by John the Baptist in John 3: “He who has the bride is the bridegroom” (v. 29). The Bridegroom is the Lord Jesus, and the bride is the church. Ephesians 5 also says that as Adam and Eve were made husband and wife, so Christ and the church are made one body (vv. 30-32). When we come to Revelation 19, we see that the marriage of the Lamb is come (v. 7). Chapter twenty-one says that the holy city, New Jerusalem, comes down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband (v. 2). The New Jerusalem is on the one hand the dwelling place of God, and on the other hand the bride of the Lamb. The Lamb is the embodiment of the Triune God, and the Lamb’s bride is a composition of the redeemed ones throughout the ages. In eternity future the Triune God will become one body with His redeemed tripartite man. The two will become one universal couple. This is the goal of God’s economy.

FROM ADAM, THE FALLEN ONE, TO NOAH, THE ONE WHO WORKED TOGETHER WITH GOD

Not long after Adam was created, he fell and became the first sinner. He is, therefore, a type of the sinner. On the side of creation, he represents Christ. On the side of the fall, he represents us the sinners. From Adam, the fallen one, to Noah, the one working together with God, we have a type of the fallen sinner becoming a saint working together with God. We were all Adam, fallen sinners. But God has saved us and has made us step by step to be Noah, working together with God and building an ark for Him.

The Fallen Adam Wearing the Skin of the Sacrifice

When Adam sinned, he knew that he was naked and had nowhere to hide himself (Gen. 3:7-8). God gave him the skin of the sacrifice for coats (3:21) to be his covering. This typifies that we, the descendants of Adam and the fallen sinners, are all naked and are not able to stand before God. But the Lord Jesus has become the Lamb of God (John 1:29) having been slain for us and having shed His blood to redeem us from our sins. Moreover, He gave Himself to us to be our righteous covering. Hence, we who have believed and are baptized into Christ have put on Christ (Gal. 3:27) and are able to stand before God.

Abel, the One Inheriting Salvation, Offering Up a Lamb as a Sacrifice

After Adam we have Abel. Genesis 4:4 says that Abel offered up a lamb as a sacrifice for God’s acceptance. This typifies that we, the saved ones who have put on Christ, live daily in Christ to live Him out, that we would become the righteousness of God (2 Cor. 5:21). When we offer up this Christ that we live out as a sacrifice to God for His satisfaction, we are accepted by God in Him.

Enosh, the Frail One, Calling On the Name of Jehovah

The third person is Enosh. The meaning of his name is the frail one. He called on the name of Jehovah. This is a type of the frail believer calling on the name of the Lord to enjoy Him as his portion. After we are saved, we put on Christ as our righteousness before God and learn to live in Him to live Him out. But many times we feel that we are weak and not able to overcome our own weaknesses. The only way is to call “O Lord Jesus!” By calling on His name, we overcome to enjoy the riches of the Lord.

Enoch, the One Pursuing after God, Walking with God

The fourth person is Enoch, the one pursuing after God and walking with God. He is a type of the believer who pursues after the Lord and who lives and moves together with the Lord. When you are about to lose your temper or show a long face, you can experience victory, walk with the Lord, and live together with Him by calling on the name of the Lord. In this way you are changed from an “Enosh” to an “Enoch,” from a weak believer to one who walks with the Lord.
Noah, the One Walking with God, Working with Him

The fifth person is Noah. Noah worked with God to build the ark. This is one step further from Enoch’s walking with God. First, the fallen sinner Adam puts on Christ, being acceptable to God to become Abel. Then through his weakness, he becomes Enosh who calls on the Lord all the time. As a further step, he becomes Enoch who walks with God. As a result, he becomes Noah who works together with God, building the ark every day, not only for the salvation of others, but to save himself as well. Philippians 2:12 says to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Today we all have to be in fear and trembling, walking with God, working together with Him to build our own ark, so that we can save not only others but also ourselves from the judgment of God and the corrupted age into a new age. In this new age, we live before God to offer up the burnt offering for God’s satisfaction.

Adam, Abel, Enosh, Enoch, and Noah form the first group of five people. Their history is a picture of every believer. We are sinners saved by God to the extent that we become those who work together with God.

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 11:42 AM)
actually all god are live harmony peacefully each other.. only human create a problem
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There is only One God. - Christians Muslims and Jewish (which is the Truth)
1 Substance, 3 Forms (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)

QUOTE(happy_berry @ Dec 10 2012, 12:38 PM)
Quote for awesomeness....
Sighh, I still can't .... ughh.
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Believe that you yourself is righteous (Bro Unknown Warrior u have done it so many times, may you enlighten happy berry)
Sharing some with you

Malachi 4:2 ESV
But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall.

Psalm 55:22 ESV
Cast your burden on the Lord, and he will sustain you; he will never permit the righteous to be moved

Lastly,
1 John 3:7 ESV
Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 12:42 PM)
No human are perfect even a monk himself.
told about this story... the story of moses really are christian? but some how i watch the movies and some book it describe either moses 10 commandments is islamic or a non islamic and christian. because as i watch the old century movie it no state the god are coming from where, it only appear on burning tree and as a light only.

elijah, job, jeremiah story i will search it outcoming..
i only know moses story and jesus story only
and as a christian do u believe islam and christian are come from some god? (me not racist) but i think along time ago after the story of Muhammed S.A.W. and moses story. Please give me a your opinion, i just want see people opinion about it
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Yes, we believe in the same God, through different angles. (Please no flame war or sensitive discussion further, we will help if you are to seek knowledge thats it)

From Catechism of Catholic Church,
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331

as for
Muhammed line - read genesis 21 onwards.


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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 12:42 PM)
No human are perfect even a monk himself.
told about this story... the story of moses really are christian? but some how i watch the movies and some book it describe either moses 10 commandments is islamic or a non islamic and christian. because as i watch the old century movie it no state the god are coming from where, it only appear on burning tree and as a light only.

elijah, job, jeremiah story i will search it outcoming..
i only know moses story and jesus story only
and as a christian do u believe islam and christian are come from some god? (me not racist) but i think along time ago after the story of Muhammed S.A.W. and moses story. Please give me a your opinion, i just want see people opinion about it
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Christianity was not around during Moses' time. Even Judaism isn't around at that period. I'm not exactly sure what faith it is, but at that time they worshipped the same God as us Christians do today.

Islam and Christianity certainly do not share the same faith. We believe that Jesus is the Son of God while they believe (Isa) is a human prophet.

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Hi, which Christian denomination is the best?

Like Catholic, Baptist, Jehovah Witness?

Is it like choosing ice-cream flavours? Like whatever you like the best you can choose?


you shouldn't have the mentality when you are dealing with religion. each denomination is very different and some are even at loggerheads at each other.
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to Happy Berry and everyone,

8 Beatitudes of Jesus

and , for us bros n sis in Christ

THE EIGHT BEATITUDES OF JESUS

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Gospel of Matthew 5:3-10

QUOTE(enciboustan @ Dec 10 2012, 07:30 PM)
Hi, which Christian denomination is the best?

Like Catholic, Baptist, Jehovah Witness?

Is it like choosing ice-cream flavours? Like whatever you like the best you can choose?
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dear bro, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life” - Jesus Christ (Jn 14:6)
There is only one best flavour where you can achieve Rapture after eating.


Catholicism and Protestantism do not essentially define our identity, as Christ does.

If I should die and find out that Christ is not my Savior, I could not be me, I could not exist in such a world.

Christ is essential to my very self: “For me to live is Christ.” Phillipians 1:21

The Church is like my family: very close to me, loyal to the death.—but not my essence.

Saint Paul did not say: “For me to live is Catholicism.” He did not say: “I live, nevertheless not I but Protestantism lives in me.”

The only absolute certainty we have is Christ.

The unity we already have in Christ includes doctrinal unity, for if we accept the teacher we also accept all his teachings, at least through Scripture.

None of the Catholic Church’s interpretations of or additions to Scripture is as important as the scriptural agreements between Protestants and Catholics.

Instead of choosing flavours, look to the best, the Original. smile.gif For the Essence is in the cream, not the flavour.


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Jehovah's Witness is a cult btw, they do not believe Christ as God, only as son of God.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 12:42 PM)
No human are perfect even a monk himself.
told about this story... the story of moses really are christian? but some how i watch the movies and some book it describe either moses 10 commandments is islamic or a non islamic and christian. because as i watch the old century movie it no state the god are coming from where, it only appear on burning tree and as a light only.

elijah, job, jeremiah story i will search it outcoming..
i only know moses story and jesus story only
and as a christian do u believe islam and christian are come from some god? (me not racist) but i think along time ago after the story of Muhammed S.A.W. and moses story. Please give me a your opinion, i just want see people opinion about it
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Pehkay has answered your question in detail through types of Christ in the Old Testament beginning with Adam till Noah, the first five.

But I would like to highlight one area which we believe God is indeed referring to Jesus Christ.

In Genesis Chapter 3, the moment Adam and Eve fell after deceived by the devil, God immediately reveal his plan of Salvation for Mankind through this verse. I shall use New King James ver as it is based on one of the oldest translation King James and it is rightly translated from Hebrew.

Genesis 3:14-15 (NKJV)
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all the days of your life: And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.

In Medical Science, only Male provide seed, Female provide the egg. By right the Bible should mention her offspring (NIV translated) but in the original Hebrew text it is the word seed.

So Here God is referring to a virgin birth in the phrase (seed). It is God's seed.
Of all the religions in the world, Only Christianity is fame for the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.

And true enough, Jesus was crucified in the heel being nailed at the cross and by his death, he has won over the Devil (bruised in the head) at resurrection, removing and stripping the devil of all powers and authorities.

The Greek historian, Romans historian, Pagan historian, Jewish historian and Christian historian have all recorded and acknowledge the history of Jesus Christ and his cruxification, at the cross.




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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 10 2012, 08:23 PM)
There is only One God. - Christians Muslims and Jewish (which is the Truth)
1 Substance, 3 Forms (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)
Believe that you yourself is righteous (Bro Unknown Warrior u have done it so many times, may you enlighten happy berry)
Sharing some with you

Malachi 4:2 ESV
But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall.

Psalm 55:22 ESV
Cast your burden on the Lord, and he will sustain you; he will never permit the righteous to be moved

Lastly,
1 John 3:7 ESV
Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
Yes, we believe in the same God, through different angles. (Please no flame war or sensitive discussion further, we will help if you are to seek knowledge thats it)

From Catechism of Catholic Church,
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331

as for
Muhammed line - read genesis 21 onwards.
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yes, we here not talk about issue racist we talk about how all the god not same and can stay together, why does so many religion god. your answer are similiar with mine answer. and thank for the guide and description.
i am satisfied

QUOTE(pziv2 @ Dec 10 2012, 08:40 PM)
Christianity was not around during Moses' time. Even Judaism isn't around at that period. I'm not exactly sure what faith it is, but at that time they worshipped the same God as us Christians do today.

Islam and Christianity certainly do not share the same faith. We believe that Jesus is the Son of God while they believe (Isa) is a human prophet.
you shouldn't have the mentality when you are dealing with religion. each denomination is very different and some are even at loggerheads at each other.
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i thought jesus is a follower of god like moses. his hear the god and act it.
Isa is also hearing the voice of god and act according it.
if have any wrong, please remind me. i only know this from old century movie if u have watch before.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 10:29 PM)
Pehkay has answered your question in detail through types of Christ in the Old Testament beginning with Adam till Noah, the first five.

But I would like to highlight one area which we believe God is indeed referring to Jesus Christ.

In Genesis Chapter 3, the moment Adam and Eve fell after deceived by the devil, God immediately reveal his plan of Salvation for Mankind through this verse. I shall use New King James ver as it is based on one of the oldest translation King James and it is rightly translated from Hebrew.

Genesis 3:14-15 (NKJV)
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all the days of your life: And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.

In Medical Science, only Male provide seed, Female provide the egg. By right the Bible should mention her offspring (NIV translated) but in the original Hebrew text it is the word seed.

So Here God is referring to a virgin birth in the phrase (seed). It is God's seed.
Of all the religions in the world, Only Christianity is fame for the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.

And true enough, Jesus was crucified in the heel being nailed at the cross and by his death, he has won over the Devil (bruised in the head) at resurrection, removing and stripping the devil of all powers and authorities.

The Greek historian, Romans historian, Pagan historian, Jewish historian and Christian historian have all recorded and acknowledge the history of Jesus Christ and his cruxification, at the cross.
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i got it.... and yes he make a change of the state after crucified by the government.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 12:45 PM)
hmm.gif  maybe.. sometime a a god follower also done wrong manner.
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Everyone has done wrong regardless whether one believe in God or not.

Of course the one who profess to follow Christ should abstain from wrong and continue to improve over time.

We should all be patience but I've come to practise and accept nobody is perfect.


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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 09:30 PM)
yes, we here not talk about issue racist we talk about how all the god not same and can stay together, why does so many religion god. your answer are similiar with mine answer. and thank for the guide and description. 
i am satisfied
i thought jesus is a follower of god like moses. his hear the god and act it.
Isa is also hearing the voice of god and act according it.
if have any wrong, please remind me. i only know this from old century movie if u have watch before.
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Different context. I would let Brother Unknown Warrior explains to you on this one but Ill provide the quote first.

Mark 10:45
45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

"In the same way, the Son of Man did not come for other people to serve him. But the Son of Man came to serve other people. The Son of Man came to give his life to save many people."


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 10:35 PM)
Everyone has done wrong regardless whether one believe in God or not.

Of course the one who profess to follow Christ should abstain from wrong and continue to improve over time.

We should all be patience but I've come to practise and accept nobody is perfect.
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nod.gif agreed with your saying

QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 10 2012, 10:37 PM)
Different context. I would let Brother Unknown Warrior explains to you on this one but Ill provide the quote first.

Mark 10:45
45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

"In the same way, the Son of Man did not come for other people to serve him. But the Son of Man came to serve other people. The Son of Man came to give his life to save many people."
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 10 2012, 07:23 PM)
Believe that you yourself is righteous (Bro Unknown Warrior u have done it so many times, may you enlighten happy berry)
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ha, you must be careful how to sentence your word.

In of ourselves we can never be righteous before God.

We are righteous because our life is hidden in Christ and Because Christ is righteous, His righteousness is ours. (free gift) tongue.gif


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QUOTE(enciboustan @ Dec 10 2012, 07:30 PM)
Hi, which Christian denomination is the best?

Like Catholic, Baptist, Jehovah Witness?

Is it like choosing ice-cream flavours? Like whatever you like the best you can choose?
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The best denomination is none-denominational. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 09:40 PM)
ha, you must be careful how to sentence your word.

In of ourselves we can never be righteous before God.

We are righteous because our life is hidden in Christ and Because Christ is righteous, His righteousness is ours. (free gift)  tongue.gif



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oops, thanks for pointing out blush.gif Believe yourself to be righteous through Christ, before God. Away with the guilt.

but we must be mindful that:
1 Corinthians 10:12
So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall

Thanks bro  icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 09:29 PM)
Pehkay has answered your question in detail through types of Christ in the Old Testament beginning with Adam till Noah, the first five.

But I would like to highlight one area which we believe God is indeed referring to Jesus Christ.

In Genesis Chapter 3, the moment Adam and Eve fell after deceived by the devil, God immediately reveal his plan of Salvation for Mankind through this verse. I shall use New King James ver as it is based on one of the oldest translation King James and it is rightly translated from Hebrew.

Genesis 3:14-15 (NKJV)
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all the days of your life: And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.

In Medical Science, only Male provide seed, Female provide the egg. By right the Bible should mention her offspring (NIV translated) but in the original Hebrew text it is the word seed.

So Here God is referring to a virgin birth in the phrase (seed). It is God's seed.
Of all the religions in the world, Only Christianity is fame for the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.

And true enough, Jesus was crucified in the heel being nailed at the cross and by his death, he has won over the Devil (bruised in the head) at resurrection, removing and stripping the devil of all powers and authorities.

The Greek historian, Romans historian, Pagan historian, Jewish historian and Christian historian have all recorded and acknowledge the history of Jesus Christ and his cruxification, at the cross.
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1 john 3:6-9

No one who is born of God

practices sin,

because His seed abides in him; and

he cannot sin

because he is born of God.

Bro Unknown Warrior basically is saying seed is Holy Spirit, am I right bro? biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Jedi: Dec 10 2012, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 09:30 PM)
yes, we here not talk about issue racist we talk about how all the god not same and can stay together, why does so many religion god. your answer are similiar with mine answer. and thank for the guide and description. 
i am satisfied
i thought jesus is a follower of god like moses. his hear the god and act it.
Isa is also hearing the voice of god and act according it.
if have any wrong, please remind me. i only know this from old century movie if u have watch before.
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In the Old Testament, Moses asked:

Exodus 3:13-14 (NIV)
Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"


In the New Testament, Jesus said:

John 8:58 (NIV)
I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!

Here are both referring to the name of God, I AM.


Jesus wasn't just a prophet but also God by the link of the same name, I Am.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 10 2012, 09:49 PM)

1 john 3:6-9

No one who is born of God

practices sin,

because His seed abides in him; and

he cannot sin

because he is born of God.

Bro Unknown Warrior basically is saying seed is Holy Spirit, am I right bro?  biggrin.gif
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A resounding Yes. nod.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 10:50 PM)
In the Old Testament, Moses asked:

Exodus 3:13-14 (NIV)
Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
In the New Testament, Jesus said:

John 8:58 (NIV)
I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!

Here are both referring to the name of God, I AM.
Jesus wasn't just a prophet but also God by the link of the same name, I Am.
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oic the god really have no name, mean christian word was form by jesus christ
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 09:58 PM)
oic the god really have no name, mean christian word was form by jesus christ
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God has many names, Jehovah, Yahweh, Adonai, I Am, etc but the final one which God the Father ordained is the name Jesus Christ which He put all authorities under. Which means whenever we pray in that name, Heaven answers.


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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 09:58 PM)
oic the god really have no name, mean christian word was form by jesus christ
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The word Christ came from ancient Greek word, Christos which means "Anointed". "Christ" is a title, not a name.
Originally the believers of Jesus were called "followers of Jesus". Sometimes the believers were called "The Way".
It was in around year 40, in Antioch (present day Turkey) , the word "Christian" first appeared.

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 09:58 PM)
oic the god really have no name, mean christian word was form by jesus christ
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God does not wish to remain incognito. He does not want to be revered as a "higher being" that is merely sensed or surmised. God wishes to be known and to be called upon as someone real and active. In the burning bush God reveals to Moses his holy name: YHWH (Ex 3:14). God makes it possible for his people to address him, but he still remains the hidden God, the name of God was not (and is not) spoken in Israel; the title Adonai (Lord) is substituted. This same word is used by the New Testament when it glorifies Jesus as true God: "Jesus is Lord!" (Rom 10:9).


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God Having a Name by Catechism of Catholic Church

Catholic means Universal, and this part hopefully helps you understand FULLY bro smile.gif

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God revealed himself to his people of Israel by making his name known to them. A name expresses one's essential identity and the meaning of one's life. God has a name; he is not an anonymous force. To disclose one's name is to make oneself known to others; in a way it is to hand oneself over by becoming accessible, capable of being known more intimately and addressed personally.

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In revealing his mysterious name, YHWH ("I AM HE WHO IS", "I AM WHO AM" or "I AM WHO I AM"), God says who he is and by what name he is to be called. This divine name is mysterious just as God is mystery. It is at once a name revealed and something like the refusal of a name, and hence it better expresses God as what he is - infinitely above everything that we can understand or say: he is the "hidden God", his name is ineffable, and he is the God who makes himself close to men.

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God, who reveals his name as "I AM", reveals himself as the God who is always there, present to his people in order to save them.

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After Israel's sin, when the people had turned away from God to worship the golden calf, God hears Moses' prayer of intercession and agrees to walk in the midst of an unfaithful people, thus demonstrating his love. When Moses asks to see his glory, God responds "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim before you my name 'the LORD' [YHWH]." Then the LORD passes before Moses and proclaims, "YHWH, YHWH, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness"; Moses then confesses that the LORD is a forgiving God.

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The divine name, "I Am" or "He Is", expresses God's faithfulness: despite the faithlessness of men's sin and the punishment it deserves, he keeps "steadfast love for thousands"... By giving his life to free us from sin, Jesus reveals that he himself bears the divine name: "When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will realize that 'I AM'."

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...In God "there is no variation or shadow due to change."...

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The revelation of the ineffable name "I AM WHO AM" contains then the truth that God alone IS. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, and following it the Church's tradition, understood the divine name in this sense: God is the fullness of Being and of every perfection, without origin and without end. All creatures receive all that they are and have from him; but he alone is his very being, and he is of himself everything that he is.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 11:10 PM)
God has many names, Jehovah, Yahweh, Adonai, I Am, etc but the final one which God the Father ordained is the name Jesus Christ which He put all authorities under. Which means whenever we pray in that name, Heaven answers.
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QUOTE(toda_III @ Dec 10 2012, 11:11 PM)
The word Christ came from ancient Greek word, Christos which means "Anointed". "Christ" is a title, not a name.
Originally the believers of Jesus were called "followers of Jesus". Sometimes the believers were called "The Way".
It was in around year 40, in Antioch (present day Turkey) , the word "Christian" first appeared.
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rclxub.gif according to story, they called "the way of jesus"
u also at here


Added on December 10, 2012, 10:26 pmwah u guy all really know about it and number of page too.

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 10:24 PM)
agree
rclxub.gif  according to story, they called "the way of jesus"
u also at here


Added on December 10, 2012, 10:26 pmwah u guy all really know about it and number of page too.
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Yes back in those days, thousands of years ago, the practise of Paganism, was so wide spread, Christianity was considered a new religion and the people of that time called it the way.

But what separates and makes Christianity a main attraction, was that Jesus was healing the blind, lame, lepers, resurrecting the dead, etc while at the same time claiming to be God.

The people of that time acknowledge no other religious figure have ever done such things. It was unheard of.

You see only God has the ability to Heal and I believe our Faith is the only one active in the Healing ministry.

Jesus said and these signs will follow those who believe and He shall do greater things than these. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 10:24 PM)
agree
rclxub.gif  according to story, they called "the way of jesus"
u also at here


Added on December 10, 2012, 10:26 pmwah u guy all really know about it and number of page too.
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Ok, the timeline is like this. (a rough time line, not the 100% accurate because the ancient people never documented their years in writing)
Jesus born at year 1BC.
Jesus preach at year 30AD
Jesus died at year 33AD

after 33AD - 40AD, there's no word "Christian". Believers are referred to as "followers of Jesus" or "the way"
It's in 40 AD, the word "Christian" appeared to describe "followers of Jesus".
and this word become universally accepted.

Words are invented all the time even in /k. examples are the word "pipu", "/k", "attensyun"
Words don't appeared out of nowhere, people created it and we Christians are fine with it.
According to the Bible, the word "Chrsitians" are created by the people of Antioch. Some historians calculate it to be around year 40AD.

So there's no confusion here.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2012, 11:51 PM)
Yes back in those days, thousands of years ago, the practise of Paganism, was so wide spread, Christianity was considered a new religion and the people of that time called it the way.

But what separates and makes Christianity a main attraction, was that Jesus was healing the blind, lame, lepers, resurrecting the dead, etc while at the same time claiming to be God.

The people of that time acknowledge no other religious figure have ever done such things. It was unheard of.

You see only God has the ability to Heal and I believe our Faith is the only one active in the Healing ministry.

Jesus said and these signs will follow those who believe and He shall do greater things than these.  biggrin.gif
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any book about christian story recommend? last time i stay at hotel and bored so i take the bible book at drawer and read.. it have many story from greek to romance and arab. bible book are thick and small so i no finish it. alot time line too

QUOTE(toda_III @ Dec 10 2012, 11:51 PM)
Ok, the timeline is like this. (a rough time line, not the 100% accurate because the ancient people never documented their years in writing)
Jesus born at year 1BC.
Jesus preach at year 30AD
Jesus died at year 33AD

after 33AD - 40AD, there's no word "Christian". Believers are referred to as "followers of Jesus" or "the way"
It's in 40 AD, the word "Christian" appeared to describe "followers of Jesus".

Words are invented all the time even in /k. examples are the word "pipu", "/k", "attensyun"
Words don't appeared out of nowhere, people created it and we Christians are fine with it.
According to the Bible, the word Chrsitians are created by the people of Antioch. Some historians calculate it to be around year 40AD.

So there's no confusion here.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 11:00 PM)
wah u christian ar?
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QUOTE(toda_III @ Dec 11 2012, 12:00 AM)
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haha dun shy2
anyway u know the time line
proud of you.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 11:00 PM)
any book about christian story recommend? last time i stay at hotel and bored so i take the bible book at drawer and read.. it have many story from greetk to romance and arab. bible book are thick and small so i no finish it. alot time line too
wah u christian ar?
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Ive read more on books which are practical emphasized. Not so much on history n origin. Perhaps some brothers in here can recommend.
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I can't. I get the information all over the places by years of reading and digesting. No easy reading book in easy text.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 11 2012, 12:12 AM)
Ive read more on books which are practical emphasized. Not so much on history n origin. Perhaps some brothers in here can recommend.
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okie waiting it

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QUOTE(toda_III @ Dec 11 2012, 12:17 AM)
I can't. I get the information all over the places by years of reading and digesting. No easy reading book in easy text.
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u got the book? borrow me?
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I would like to join this group to know more about bible and to be closer to God, hopes dear brothers n sisters can guide me
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 11:17 PM)
okie waiting it
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can view online.

http://www.rhema.org/?option=com_content&v...id=40&Itemid=30
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 10 2012, 11:00 PM)
any book about christian story recommend? last time i stay at hotel and bored so i take the bible book at drawer and read.. it have many story from greek to romance and arab. bible book are thick and small so i no finish it. alot time line too
wah u christian ar?
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as other books only inform you, and Bible

B Basic
I Instructions
B Before
L Leaving
E Earth

is the only book that can transform you

i recommend you to watch this video first : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_d6RjjZt04

It is the bible timeline, story in video lectures as well as cards that make you remember easily, I think its reasonably priced
http://ascensionpress.com/t/category/study...-study/timeline - 400USD but can last u a lifetime inspiring.

My foundation in Christ is built firmly on his video lectures, He is truly inspiring. I am a catholic so I only can share about what inspired me smile.gif Pls do not take it as I promote catholic stuffs. Jeff Cavins was RCC turned Protestant Pastor turned RCC. So he can relate everything very well.

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Bro, theres a cheaper one as malaysia prints it, i can forward u his contact he is based in PJ Selangor

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I would like to join this group to know more about bible and to be closer to God, hopes dear brothers n sisters can guide me
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Welcome,

sure, we got many brothers in here who can help.

feel free to read the posts and comments.

anything you're unsure, ask away. biggrin.gif
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also wish to add to meistsh_musical:

God's name right?

Preview of Jeff Cavins talking about it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yu_Z_p_Z0w

it gives you a clue of what could potential be something you wanna buy, if you really take my advice smile.gif
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Yup and those who want to view good theological argument should

youtube Ravi Zacharias.

That guy is really amazingly good.

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 11 2012, 12:36 AM)
also wish to add to meistsh_musical:

God's name right?

Preview of Jeff Cavins talking about it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yu_Z_p_Z0w

it gives you a clue of what could potential be something you wanna buy, if you really take my advice  smile.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 11 2012, 12:39 AM)
Yup and those who want to view good theological argument should

youtube Ravi Zacharias.

That guy is really amazingly good.
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haha i going sleep soon
well tmrw morning i take a look
see u all tmrw and thank

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u got the book? borrow me?
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Dont have hahaha. I read more on online, short blog etc. All over the places. Power of google.
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To continue from last post on an overview or bird's eye view of God's economy in the OT ...

ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB WITH JOSEPH

After Noah, there are four more persons—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with Joseph. They form one group. They typify the called believer’s threefold experience of the Triune God from his selection to his reigning.

As the Father, Abraham Being Called by God and Justified by Faith, Living by Faith and Living in Fellowship with God

If we have the experience of the first group of five people, we will surely experience God the Father in the way of Abraham’s experience. Abraham was one called by God and justified by faith, who lived by faith and lived in fellowship with God. This is a type of the believer experiencing the calling and justification of God the Father and by faith living a life of fellowshipping with Him. Our experience of the Triune God is similar to that experienced by Abraham. God the Father first called us. Then we walk by Him, living by faith and living in fellowship with Him.

As the Son, Isaac by Faith Inheriting All the Promised Blessings

After we have the experience of Abraham, we enjoy all the riches of the Father deposited in the Son. This is the experience of Isaac. Isaac by faith inherited all the promised blessings. This is a type of a believer who lives in fellowship with God experiencing the inheritance of all the grace in God the Son for the enjoyment in satisfaction and rest. Abraham left everything to Isaac. We who belong to Christ are the descendants of Abraham. We also have inherited an inheritance according to the promise for the enjoyment in satisfaction and rest.

As the One Inheriting from His Grandfather and His Father, Jacob Being Chosen by God Experiencing Trials to Become the Israel of God, Bringing God’s Blessing to Everyone

After we experience the riches of the Son, God the Spirit will lead us to experience Jacob’s portion. Jacob was chosen by God to experience trials to become the Israel of God, bringing God’s blessing to everyone. This is a type of the believer chosen by God who enjoys the love of God the Father and the grace of God the Son and experiences the transformation of God the Spirit through trials in his environment to become a mature man to bestow God’s blessings to others. When we who are in Christ enjoy His riches, the Spirit will lead us to pass through all kinds of trials in our environment to be transformed by the Spirit to become Israel, the prince of God.

As the One Who in Experience Forms a Part of Jacob, Joseph Reigning and Dispensing Widely the Riches of God to Everyone

Joseph in experience forms a part of Jacob. He reigned in Egypt for God, dispensing all the rich food to the whole world. This is a type of the transformed, overcoming, and mature believer reigning for the Lord, dispensing the riches of God in Christ to everyone.

Hence, from the experience of the first group of five people, we go on to experience the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. In the end, we all become Israel, the prince of God, reigning for God and dispensing the riches of God in Christ to everyone. This is what the second group of four people typifies. The experiences of these nine people tell us how God accomplishes His economy in us, the believers. Today, although every one of us is different in our spiritual experience—some being higher, while others are lower—we have to look to God’s mercy that we would go on and advance further and further in the process of God’s economy.


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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 10 2012, 09:49 PM)
oops, thanks for pointing out  blush.gif  Believe yourself to be righteous through Christ, before God. Away with the guilt.

but we must be mindful that:
1 Corinthians 10:12
So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall

Thanks bro  icon_rolleyes.gif 
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Honestly this is stressful for leaders because we are all human and can succumb to emotions and yet we must continue to persevere and improve.

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Honestly this is stressful for leaders because we are all human and can succumb to emotions and yet we must continue to persevere and improve.
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and I would recommend this in return:

Prayer of St Francis

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.

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today went to work morning, then u felt so dizzy n sick. so i went down to the clinic below my office n took a mc after seeing doctor. lucky me, just basic bakteria infection but must eat antibiotics n take some rest.

sick really not a good things to happened, it makes ur body weaker n weaker. not much choices activities i can do at the moment.. just sleep n eat.

i was wondering, how can i heal myself faster? any chances this will work on faith? i really wants to get heal faster n i can continue my job tomolo.
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HEALING

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But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.


Dear Friends,

Ever since Adam fell, Sin entered into our world, bringing death, sickness and all kind of destructions. We call this the curse of sin.

God never meant for us to die or grow old. Not even to have a simple flu. But the destructive power of sin brought all this on mankind because of Adam's sin.

When Jesus was hung at the cross, He took our punishment and bore our curse. So that we don't have to be punished.

We are taught every week in Churches that Jesus was punished for our sins but have never really been taught that He also bore our curses.

I'm here today to tell you. Jesus redeemed us not only for eternal life but also for an abundant life. How?

By redeeming us from the curse of sin by being in our place to take our curses. (Galatians 3:13)

He has removed all the powers and effect of the curse of sin.

In my last devotion, I've taught you to issue commands to your situations. Now you can practise this command "by his wounds/stripes we are healed" to whatever sickness, infirmities or health conditions in your body.

Do you know why you can do so?

The answer is because Jesus has redeemed you from the curse of sin. You have been set free from all the curses of sins. Amen.

Do you now understand how much Jesus loves you? You must learn to make it personal and say that Jesus really does love you.

And the right way to do this, is to acknowledge it has got nothing to do with your obedience but Jesus's obedience to the Father that makes you righteous.

By declaring Jesus Righteousness in your body, command and demand all types of sickness to get out. Tell the sickness your body have been redeemed from all curses and you have been made righteous. Tell the sickness it has NO RIGHTS to be in your body.

Command it To be uprooted by the roots and be planted in the sea.

And practise also my most recent devotion on how to get your prayers answered,

by Believing that your Healing is ALREADY there, don't worry even if you don't see it happening.

Do this as frequent as possible, everyday and You will be Healed by God's grace.

It will happened in Jesus Name.

Amen?

God Bless.





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THE CORPORATE TYPE

The experiences of all these nine persons in Genesis are part of God’s economy. God worked Himself into every one of them and worked every one of them into Him. They were joined and mingled with God and were transformed, even to become the prince of God, reigning for God on earth and distributing to others His riches. This experience was high enough. But it was only on the individual side. God had not yet obtained a corporate dwelling place. He still did not have a place on earth in which to dwell.

The Corporate Israel

God’s intention is to have a corporate body. The nation of Israel was a type of this body. For this, God went on from Genesis to Exodus, working Himself into the corporate Israel that they would become the house of God, which is God’s habitation on earth as typified by the tabernacle in the midst of the Israelites. This corporate Israel was a type of the church as the Body of Christ to be God’s dwelling place on earth among men.

Experiencing the Passover, Having God’s Judgment Pass over Them

At that time, the Israelites went down into Egypt and were enslaved by the Egyptians. In order to deliver them from the bondage of Egypt, God had to judge Egypt and smite the firstborn of the Egyptians. To spare the Israelites from the same smiting, God gave them a way of salvation. He commanded them to slaughter the Passover lamb and strike the blood on the lintel and the side posts. Under the covering of the blood, the destroying angel would pass over them and would not smite them (Exo. 12:21-23). But all the firstborn of the land of Egypt were judged by God and were smitten by the destroying angel. In this way, the Israelites were delivered from the enslaving hand of Pharaoh and were freed from Egypt.

Leaving Egypt and Crossing the Red Sea

After the Israelites experienced the Passover, they left Egypt the same night and crossed the Red Sea. This is a type of all the believers in the New Testament, that is, the whole church, experiencing Christ as the Passover and being baptized to be delivered from the world. For the Israelites the experience of the Passover, the exodus from Egypt, and the crossing of the Red Sea were not individual matters but were all corporate matters. They experienced the Passover as a corporate body, they left Egypt as a corporate body, and they crossed the Red Sea as a corporate body. In the eyes of God, we believers are not saved one by one individually. Instead, we enjoy Christ as the redeeming Lamb together, we are baptized together, and we are delivered from the world and saved from this age together. In God there is no difference in time and space. We the believers experience our Passover at the same time, and all of us leave Egypt and cross the Red Sea at the same time.

Passing through the Wilderness to Offer Sacrifices to God

The Israelites were led by God out of Egypt to cross the Red Sea and enter into the wilderness to serve God. Today it is the same for us, the saved ones. We are in the wilderness, away from the bondage of the world, having been released from the enslaving of man and having the true freedom. Here we learn to serve God.

Experiencing the Bitter Water Turned Sweet

In the journey through the wilderness, God led the Israelites to pass through many experiences. First, they experienced the bitter water turned sweet. The Israelites came to Marah. Because of the bitterness of the water, the people complained to Moses. Jehovah commanded Moses to cast a tree into the water, and the water turned sweet (Exo. 15:25). The bitter water signifies a bitter situation. The tree signifies the cross of Christ. Christians are like the Israelites in the wilderness; often we are confronted with difficulties while journeying on earth. During these times, if we consider the cross of Christ and receive it into us, our bitter situations will turn sweet.

Enjoying the Manna from Heaven as the Daily Supply

The Israelites also enjoyed the manna from heaven as their daily supply. They did not plough nor did they reap in the wilderness. What they ate was the manna from heaven (Exo. 16:15). We who follow the Lord have God’s manna from heaven, which is the Lord Jesus. He is the bread of life. When we eat Him, we will not be hungry. He who eats Him will live by Him (John 6:35, 57).

Drinking the Living Water Which Flowed from the Rock

Not only did the Israelites need food in the wilderness; they needed water as well. God solved the problem of their need for food by sending manna, but there was still the need to solve the problem of drinking. For that, God commanded Moses to smite the rock. Out of the rock came water (Exo. 17:6), and their thirst was quenched. Today the Lord Jesus is our manna. He is also our living water. We can drink of Him and be satisfied.

Defeating Amalek

While the Israelites were journeying in the wilderness, Amalek came and fought with them (Exo. 17:8), hindering them from going on. Through the prayer of Moses, the Israelites defeated Amalek. In type, Amalek signifies our flesh. Our flesh is always hindering us from following the Lord. But through the intercession of the Lord Jesus in heaven and through the power of the Holy Spirit, we are enabled to overcome the flesh. Hence, after we have left Egypt and are in the way of following the Lord in the wilderness, there are many needs. The Lord is able to meet all of our needs. He turns the difficulties into sweetness. He satisfies our hunger and quenches our thirst. He overcomes the hindrance of the flesh for us. In this way we can go on fearlessly to the place God has appointed.

Coming to the Mountain Appointed by God, Receiving Revelation, and Erecting the Tabernacle

The Israelites came to Mount Sinai, which was God’s appointed place (Exo. 19:1). Here they received the revelation to build the tabernacle so that God would have a dwelling place on earth (Exo. 25:8). Later the tabernacle became the center of the move among the Israelites. This typifies that we the believers are led by the Lord to receive revelation and to build the church as God’s dwelling place.

Wandering and Dying in the Wilderness

The Israelites could very well have entered into the good land of Canaan through following the tabernacle had it not been for their evil heart of unbelief which offended God. For that, God was disgusted with that generation. In the end they all died in the wilderness. This typifies the believers wandering and failing in the soul.

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Genesis 39

8 But he refused. “With me in charge,” he told her, “my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care. 9 No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?”


There is no 10 commandments yet. How come Joseph know adultery is a sin against God?

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 13 2012, 10:51 AM)
Genesis 39

8 But he refused. “With me in charge,” he told her, “my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care. 9 No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?”
There is no 10 commandments yet. How come Joseph know adultery is a sin against God.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 13 2012, 10:57 AM)
You don't need the 10 commandment to tell you what to do when you have an ongoing relationship with God.
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Relax Bro. I am not going that area. Something to ponder about here.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 13 2012, 10:59 AM)
Relax Bro. I am not going that area. Something to ponder about here.
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I know,

just to help out others who wants to know the answer.

honestly i've never relied on the 10 commandment to guide me but the spirit of God.

In all situations, It is God's spirit within me that convicts me to let me know.

Just like how Joseph relied on God leading him.



Here is one verse I read this morning that further support why the 10 commandment is not used as a guideline but used as a channel for sin consciousness. So how can it be a guide?

Romans 7:8
But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead

and

Romans 7:10 says
I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.

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You might confuse a lot of people which might not understand the bible deeply.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 12 2012, 11:05 PM)
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HEALING
Dear Friends,

Ever since Adam fell, Sin entered into our world, bringing death, sickness and all kind of destructions. We call this the curse of sin.

God never meant for us to die or grow old. Not even to have a simple flu. But the destructive power of sin brought all this on mankind because of Adam's sin.

When Jesus was hung at the cross, He took our punishment and bore our curse. So that we don't have to be punished.

We are taught every week in Churches that Jesus was punished for our sins but have never really been taught that He also bore our curses.

I'm here today to tell you. Jesus redeemed us not only for eternal life but also for an abundant life. How?

By redeeming us from the curse of sin by being in our place to take our curses. (Galatians 3:13)

He has removed all the powers and effect of the curse of sin.

In my last devotion, I've taught you to issue commands to your situations. Now you can practise this command "by his wounds/stripes we are healed" to whatever sickness, infirmities or health conditions in your body.

Do you know why you can do so?

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It will happened in Jesus Name.

Amen?

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I notice that from all above, "relation" with Jesus is a BIG key to this healing.
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http://www.gladtidings.my/resource.htm
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I notice that from all above, "relation" with Jesus is a BIG key to this healing.
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No. Having Faith that Jesus has already redeemed you from the curse is the big key answer.

Relationship is not even an issue. It comes naturally when you understand the name you invoke for healing.

Faith is the starting point of having a relationship with God.

The more you understand this, see you are transform from within and it starts by having Faith in God's word.

The more you feed on God's word, the more you are drawn to God by the help of the Holy Spirit.



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Every Christians should read the Bible daily.

Jesus said our inner spirit need to feed on God's word and understand otherwise it will starve and not grow.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 13 2012, 01:33 PM)
Every Christians should read the Bible daily.

Jesus said our inner spirit need to feed on God's word and understand otherwise it will starve and not grow.
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I concur that every Christians should read the Bible daily. Some of the newbie in christians might got the wrong understanding that we don't need to follow the 10 commandments.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 13 2012, 02:37 PM)
I concur that every Christians should read the Bible daily. Some of the newbie in christians might got the wrong understanding that we don't need to follow the 10 commandments.
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Jesus came to set a higher standard of 10 commandments which now in you when you accepts Jesus in your heart as your personal Lord and saviour.

I think this is the better way to put it. smile.gif

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That's because only He could.

If you can surpass that high standard he set, THEN you are declare as righteous based on your own.

but the fact is none of us can.

So We need to depend on Him in his grace.

Because by doing that we cannot boast before God we are righteous on our own.

It keeps us humble.

by depending on God totally,

1. We get to know God.
2. It's a relationship.
3. God will help us grow.

That is his intention rather than the 10 commandments.

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Yes, the secret is "in Him".

We get our Healing by being as He is.

Our Life is now hidden in Jesus according to the Bible.

is Jesus sick or Healthy today?

if He's healthy, so are you. smile.gif

skydrake, i hope you're getting this.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 13 2012, 05:20 PM)
Yes, the secret is "in Him".

We get our Healing by being as He is.

Our Life is now hidden in Jesus according to the Bible.

is Jesus sick or Healthy today?

if He's healthy, so are you. smile.gif

skydrake, i hope you're getting this.
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For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

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Five Loaves and Two Fishes

This song is a sermon by itself.

It talks about giving whatever you have available (no matter how insignificant) into Jesus Hand.

He will multiply it and prosper with what little you have, like the feeding of the multitude.

The song is a beautiful song, take a listen. It inspired me to surrender whatever I have, my weakness and my aspiration.

Hope you enjoy.

God Bless.





A little boy of thirteen was on his way to school
He heard a crowd of people laughing and he went to take a look
Thousands were listening to the stories of one man
He spoke with such wisdom, even the kids could understand

The hours passed so quickly, the day turned to night
Everyone was hungry but there was no food in sight
The boy looked in his lunchbox at the little that he had
He wasn't sure what good it'd do, there were thousands to be fed

But he saw the twinkling eyes of Jesus
The kindness in His smile
And the boy cried out
With the trust of a child
He said:

"Take my five loaves and two fishes
Do with it as you will
I surrender
Take my fears and my inhibitions
All my burdens, my ambitions
You can use it all to feed them all"

I often think about that boy when I'm feeling small
And I worry that the work I do means nothing at all

But every single tear I cry is a diamond in His hands
And every door that slams in my face, I will offer up in prayer

So I'll give you every breath that I have
Oh Lord, you can work miracles
All that you need is my "Amen"

So take my five loaves and two fishes
Do with it as you will
I surrender
Take my fears and my inhibitions
All my burdens, my ambitions
You can use it all
I hope it's not too small

I trust in you
I trust in you

So take my five loaves and two fishes
Do with it as you will
I surrender
Take my fears and my inhibitions
All my burdens, my ambitions
You can use it all
No gift is too small

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 13 2012, 05:20 PM)
Yes, the secret is "in Him".

We get our Healing by being as He is.

Our Life is now hidden in Jesus according to the Bible.

is Jesus sick or Healthy today?

if He's healthy, so are you. smile.gif

skydrake, i hope you're getting this.
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yes I understand now, walking in the path now..
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yes I understand now, walking in the path now..
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Since you are in Him, you have every right to command whatever sickness to leave your body.

Your Body is the temple of the living God. nod.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 14 2012, 09:33 AM)
Since you are in Him, you have every right to command whatever sickness to leave your body.

Your Body is the temple of the living God.  nod.gif
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The bacteria infection had failed to infect further in my body before I complete my "Antibiotic Session". I'm completely healed. Only Lord can do this, praise lord. Amen~ nod.gif

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Continuing for Israel's type...

Crossing the River Jordan and Entering into Canaan, the Good Land

The Israelites wandered in the wilderness for forty years until a new generation rose up. God brought the new generation through the river Jordan to enter into Canaan. He ordered Joshua to choose twelve men from the people to bring twelve stones from the river Jordan over to the other side. In addition, they set up twelve stones in the river (Josh. 4:2, 8-9). This was done as a symbol that the old Israelites were buried under the river Jordan and that the new Israelites were brought through the river into the good land. This typifies that the believers’ natural life passes through the death of Christ, and in resurrection they enjoy Christ as the good land.

Defeating the Enemy, Gaining the Land, and Building the Temple

When the Israelites entered Canaan, God delivered into their hands the people of that land. They were able to defeat the enemy, gain the land, and build the temple of God there. The temple was an enlargement of the tabernacle. It was a dwelling place of God. This typifies that we the believers defeat the spiritual enemies, gain the territory in Christ, and build up the church as God’s temple. When we follow Christ, we receive the feeding of the manna, we receive the supply of the living water, and we overcome our flesh by Him. Furthermore, we deny the natural life by passing through the death of Christ, dying and resurrecting together with Him, and enter into Him, being joined together with all the saints to be built up into a solid dwelling place of God in Him.

Becoming Desolate, Failing, and Being Carried Away to Babylon and Returning from Captivity to Jerusalem to Rebuild the Temple of God on the Original Foundation

After the temple was completed, the Israelites gradually became desolate, failed, and were eventually carried away to Babylon to be put under the rule of the Gentiles. After seventy years when the time was completed (2 Chron. 36:11-21), God called them out of Babylon to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple on the foundation of the original temple (Ezra 1:3). This typifies the history of the church after it came into being. From Revelation 2—3 we see that the church gradually became desolate, failed, and was carried away to the mysterious Great Babylon. Today we are like the returned Israelites, coming out of the mysterious Great Babylon and being recovered to the original ground of the church to rebuild the church of God.

Rebuilding the City of Jerusalem as the Circumference of God’s Temple, and Further Rebuilding the Temple and the City of Jerusalem during the Coming Restoration of the Nation of Israel

The Israelites returned, built the temple, and recovered the holy city. When the Lord Jesus comes back again, the nation of Israel will be restored. By then they will rebuild the temple again and will build a bigger Jerusalem. According to Ezekiel 48, the Jerusalem that they will build will have twelve gates and will be their dwelling place with God in the millennium. This typifies the overcomers in the church and the overcoming saints of the Old Testament who will eventually become the New Jerusalem in the millennium. They will be the heavenly part of the millennium and will be the manifestation of the kingdom of the heavens.

There they will exercise authority to rule with the Lord Jesus over the nations.

After the one thousand years, this heavenly Jerusalem will be enlarged to become the New Jerusalem in the new heaven and the new earth. She will include all the redeemed ones from all the ages to be the dwelling place and the expression of God in eternity future. She will also become the dwelling place of us, the redeemed ones. Hence, the New Jerusalem in the new heaven and the new earth will become the mutual dwelling place for God and man. God will dwell in the redeemed ones, and the redeemed ones will dwell in God their Redeemer. This New Jerusalem in eternity is the ultimate consummation of the church to be God’s eternal expression.

By now, we can clearly see that the history of the nation of Israel is a full type of the history of the church. The history of Israel begins with the Israelites corporately experiencing the Passover during the exodus from Egypt and goes on until the Lord comes back the second time when they will be restored to build the Jerusalem with the twelve gates. The history of the church also began with the Passover, which is the Christ who has been sacrificed (1 Cor. 5:7), and goes on until the millennium with its heavenly Jerusalem which also has twelve gates. Hence, whether it is the Old Testament or the New, in type or by revelation, the whole Bible speaks of the same thing, which is God’s economy. The economy of God is the Triune God working Himself into us, the tripartite men. He desires to be man’s life, content, and complete supply that man would become God’s representation and expression. In the beginning God gained individuals, from Adam through Abel, Enosh, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph. Then God gained a corporate Israel. When we were first saved, seemingly we were individuals; but gradually we feel that we need a corporate Body, which is the church. Because of this we begin to come together for the church life. Today, we are the genuine, real nation of Israel, expressing God as His dwelling place on earth.

First He gains individuals; then He gains a Body. Today we all have our individual experiences; but we are also living a life in the church. It is a life in which the Triune God is joined to the redeemed ones as one spirit. He is our life and content, and we are His rest and habitation. He is our enjoyment, and we are His expression. All these begin with His Spirit mingling with our spirit, continue with the uplifting and the transformation of our soul, and consummate with the uplifting of our body, which is the redemption of our body. Eventually all the redeemed ones will become the New Jerusalem as the mutual dwelling place of God and us and as God’s eternal expression. May we all see this vision of God’s economy so that we would know how to live in the church and walk in a proper and bright way.
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 14 2012, 11:07 AM)
The bacteria infection had failed to infect further in my body before I complete my "Antibiotic Session". I'm completely healed. Only Lord can do this, praise lord. Amen~  nod.gif
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God told me that, be it unto you according to your Faith.

According to the Bible, it says Faith comes by hearing the word of God.

We receive according to what we understand. (It's a revelation thing)

The moment you said, you understand, you're walking in that path now, I believe that

you are healed when you know you have the right to be in a healthy state.

Praise God.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 14 2012, 12:06 PM)
God told me that, be it unto you according to your Faith.

According to the Bible, it says Faith comes by hearing the word of God.

We receive according to what we understand. (It's a revelation thing)

The moment you said, you understand, you're walking in that path now, I believe that

you are healed when you know you have the right to be in a healthy state.

Praise God.
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Thank you brother unknown warrior for passing me this message.

Few days ago I watched this movie "Life of PI", very nice movie all I can say. Just like to share with u all.
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Youtube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Hjrs6WQ8M

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 14 2012, 01:37 PM)
Thank you brother unknown warrior for passing me this message.

Few days ago I watched this movie "Life of PI", very nice movie all I can say. Just like to share with u all.
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Youtube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Hjrs6WQ8M
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I didn't know it's a movie that touches the subject of God.

So Pi is looking for God.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 14 2012, 01:08 AM)
Five Loaves and Two Fishes

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Beautiful song indeed, loved it. biggrin.gif Has been awhile I never posted on Christian Fellowship thread, just finished reading all 6 pages lol laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kennethkee93 @ Dec 14 2012, 09:42 PM)
Beautiful song indeed, loved it.  biggrin.gif  Has been awhile I never posted on Christian Fellowship thread, just finished reading all 6 pages lol  laugh.gif
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Learn anything in the 6 pages?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 14 2012, 10:02 PM)
Learn anything in the 6 pages?
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Yes I did learn some thanks to you guys.

I had not been active in my christian life since after my SPM ends (now in college), I only seek to God when I'm feels troubled, sad or any negativity is in me, and have not learned bible verses that moment, only read some other christian books to help me with my faith in Him.

Actually am feeling a little down, due to stress with people around me and my studies result, and I have no solution for this except to speak out with them. I was just wandering around in the forum and bumped into this thread, so I try to get some bible verses to enlighten myself. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kennethkee93 @ Dec 14 2012, 10:39 PM)
Yes I did learn some thanks to you guys.

I had not been active in my christian life since after my SPM ends (now in college), I only seek to God when I'm feels troubled, sad or any negativity is in me, and have not learned bible verses that moment, only read some other christian books to help me with my faith in Him.

Actually am feeling a little down, due to stress with people around me and my studies result, and I have no solution for this except to speak out with them. I was just wandering around in the forum and bumped into this thread, so I try to get some bible verses to enlighten myself.  biggrin.gif
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This is for you.

Isaiah 40: 27-31

27 Why do you say, <insert your name>,
and complain, O <insert your name>,
“My way is hidden from the Lord;
my cause is disregarded by my God”?

28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.

29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.

30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;

31 but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 14 2012, 10:43 PM)
This is for you.

Isaiah 40: 27-31

27 Why do you say, <insert your name>,
and complain, O <insert your name>,
“My way is hidden from the Lord;
my cause is disregarded by my God”?

28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.

29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.

30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;

31 but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 14 2012, 06:32 PM)
I didn't know it's a movie that touches the subject of God.

So Pi is looking for God.
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i watch this movie unplanned, i was just walking ard setiawalk puchong n have my dinner, out of sudden my wife said wan to watch movie n we saw the new tgv banner hanging on the big wall so we walk in n see see.

this is the only movie we can watch at that time without waiting for long. we tot that we bought a tamil movie when the movie started to intro with all india artists name..
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 14 2012, 12:06 PM)
God told me that, be it unto you according to your Faith.

According to the Bible, it says Faith comes by hearing the word of God.

We receive according to what we understand. (It's a revelation thing)

The moment you said, you understand, you're walking in that path now, I believe that

you are healed when you know you have the right to be in a healthy state.

Praise God.
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I think its dangerous when one is ill (and with medical valid reasons i.e namely Genetically determined diseases, Infectious Diseases, Heart Diseases, DM), one could think it can go away by praying to God as this sharing said. It ONLY applies to extraordinarily cases where medical interventions or explanations could not deal with the specific disease, or above all sorts, causes deterioration of health where no medicine can do, then God's intervention through fervent prayer hope faith can heal.

Because many things science can explain (namely how your blood vessels are clot with fats and cholesterol for example), and as far as science goes, it complements religion, does not overstep religion. Through illnesses sometimes we can see God's grace work through (weakness made perfect in God's strength) and one definitely has to take medicine for if not it will progress further worsens.

I myself gonna be graduate to be a doc in 1.5 years, and while I am a Christian, I would treat the patient as well as pray for them, but certainly prayer alone does not do when medically, can be sought out (ancient shaman healing?).

As for cases of Infectious Diseases, by assuming you recover (and of course, with prayers) due to Convalescence Period actually is not right. One still has to finish his antibiotic course or else microbes do not get killed entirely and you can be unknowingly a transient/healthy/immunised/convalescent carrier which spread diseases to immunosuppressed people (HIV, Pregnancy, DM, elderly and children amongst). Many microbes which causes latent infection on us (without clinical symptoms that is) might not do the same to others.

We have a body, and Christ bought it over, and we too, have a responsibility to take good care of our bodies. my 2 cents

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 15 2012, 12:38 AM)
I think its dangerous when one is ill (and with medical valid reasons i.e namely Genetically determined diseases, Infectious Diseases, Heart Diseases, DM), one could think it can go away by praying to God as this sharing said. It ONLY applies to extraordinarily cases where medical interventions or explanations could not deal with the specific disease, or above all sorts, causes deterioration of health where no medicine can do, then God's intervention through fervent prayer hope faith can heal.

Because many things science can explain (namely how your blood vessels are clot with fats and cholesterol for example), and as far as science goes, it complements religion, does not overstep religion. Through illnesses sometimes we can see God's grace work through (weakness made perfect in God's strength) and one definitely has to take medicine for if not it will progress further worsens.

I myself gonna be graduate to be a doc in 1.5 years, and while I am a Christian, I would treat the patient as well as pray for them, but certainly prayer alone does not do when medically, can be sought out (ancient shaman healing?).

As for cases of Infectious Diseases, by assuming you recover (and of course, with prayers) due to Convalescence Period actually is not right. One still has to finish his antibiotic course or else microbes do not get killed entirely and you can be unknowingly a transient/healthy/immunised/convalescent carrier which spread diseases to immunosuppressed people (HIV, Pregnancy, DM, elderly and children amongst). Many microbes which causes latent infection on us (without clinical symptoms that is) might not do the same to others.

We have a body, and Christ bought it over, and we too, have a responsibility to take good care of our bodies. my 2 cents
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yes i got what u mean Jedi, it does not means that we can just pray and ask god to heal us only then we do nothing after it. we must do our part and god do his part. example for my part, even that before i finish my "antibiotic pills" i had fully healed.. still i have to finish it. Its a nice share from Jedi. thumbup.gif
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I am happy for you and for your wedding. May you and your soon-to-be wed live happily, united in Christ, with God in the bedroom and family smile.gif
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I am happy for you and for your wedding. May you and your soon-to-be wed live happily, united in Christ, with God in the bedroom and family smile.gif
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i m happy to have u all too!!

btw sry to pull down some sad story in cnn that just happened within 48hours, wana ask u all.. how do u all feel after seeing this below.
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i watch this movie unplanned, i was just walking ard setiawalk puchong n have my dinner, out of sudden my wife said wan to watch movie n we saw the new tgv banner hanging on the big wall so we walk in n see see.

this is the only movie we can watch at that time without waiting for long. we tot that we bought a tamil movie when the movie started to intro with all india artists name..
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 15 2012, 12:38 AM)
I think its dangerous when one is ill (and with medical valid reasons i.e namely Genetically determined diseases, Infectious Diseases, Heart Diseases, DM), one could think it can go away by praying to God as this sharing said. It ONLY applies to extraordinarily cases where medical interventions or explanations could not deal with the specific disease, or above all sorts, causes deterioration of health where no medicine can do, then God's intervention through fervent prayer hope faith can heal.

Because many things science can explain (namely how your blood vessels are clot with fats and cholesterol for example), and as far as science goes, it complements religion, does not overstep religion. Through illnesses sometimes we can see God's grace work through (weakness made perfect in God's strength) and one definitely has to take medicine for if not it will progress further worsens.

I myself gonna be graduate to be a doc in 1.5 years, and while I am a Christian, I would treat the patient as well as pray for them, but certainly prayer alone does not do when medically, can be sought out (ancient shaman healing?).

As for cases of Infectious Diseases, by assuming you recover (and of course, with prayers) due to Convalescence Period actually is not right. One still has to finish his antibiotic course or else microbes do not get killed entirely and you can be unknowingly a transient/healthy/immunised/convalescent carrier which spread diseases to immunosuppressed people (HIV, Pregnancy, DM, elderly and children amongst). Many microbes which causes latent infection on us (without clinical symptoms that is) might not do the same to others.

We have a body, and Christ bought it over, and we too, have a responsibility to take good care of our bodies. my 2 cents
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Matthew 9:29 (KJV)
........ According to your faith be it unto you.

I always tell people to be comfortable at the level of Faith, God has given you.

If you have Faith in both medicine and Healing from God, so be it.
If you have more Faith in Healing from God, also so be it.
If you have more Faith in medicine than Healing from God, so be it.

Having more Faith in Healing from God does not mean, disbelieve in Medicine.

I always say this and I believe it's true. Different people have different level of Faith in their journey and walk with God.

If you believe diseases are greater than God, so be it but you dangerously put God in a limitation box by what you believe, thereby hindering yourself of God's blessings.

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btw sry to pull down some sad story in cnn that just happened within 48hours, wana ask u all.. how do u all feel after seeing this below.
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Devil working overtime.
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Devil pushing year end sales quota. especially with the 21st December 2012 mayan calender.  rclxub.gif
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Usually happens when there's a breakthrough somewhere else.

when there's some area he cannot disturb anymore, he will disturb somewhere else.

Always see with your eyes of Faith. In the midst of death and destruction in areas where the devil attack, it means that God is doing something in that area as well.

The devil always wants to bring disbelieve and doubt to the area God wants to bring blessings and restoration.
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As for the Mayan Calender, even this deception and lie, God can use to draw people to him, who are searching for the truth.

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Matthew 9:29 (KJV)
........ According to your faith be it unto you.

I always tell people to be comfortable at the level of Faith, God has given you.

If you have Faith in both medicine and Healing from God, so be it.
If you have more Faith in Healing from God, also so be it.
If you have more Faith in medicine than Healing from God, so be it.

Having more Faith in Healing from God does not mean, disbelieve in Medicine.

I always say this and I believe it's true. Different people have different level of Faith in their journey and walk with God.

If you believe diseases are greater than God, so be it but you dangerously put God in a limitation box by what you believe, thereby hindering yourself of God's blessings.
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I have explained my part, dear bro. I believe we complement each other for what we believe, not contradict.

To put it in proper:

CCC - YOUCAT by Pope Benedict XVI

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Is there a contradiction between faith and science?

There is no insoluble contradiction between faith and science, because there cannot be two kinds of truth. [159]
There is not one truth of faith that is in competition with another truth of science. There is only one truth, to which both faith and scientific reason refer. God intended reason, with which we can recognize the rational structures of the world, just as he intended faith. That is why the Christian faith demands and promotes the (natural) sciences. Faith exists so that we might know things that are not apparent to reason yet are real above and beyond reason. Faith reminds science that it is supposed to serve creation and not set itself up in place of God. Science must respect human dignity instead of violating it.

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As for the Mayan Calender, even this deception and lie, God can use to draw people to him, who are searching for the truth.
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Mayan is another god among god
i play games i know it little. it a long ago the people mayan praygod it, but i dunno bout how the look like. most that time all are predict and research on natural environment
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I have explained my part, dear bro. I believe we complement each other for what we believe, not contradict.

To put it in proper:

CCC - YOUCAT by Pope Benedict XVI
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You are still learning. I can see you want to agree. But yet you still have parts of doubt through these statements.

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I think its dangerous when one is ill (and with medical valid reasons i.e namely Genetically determined diseases, Infectious Diseases, Heart Diseases, DM), one could think it can go away by praying to God as this sharing said. It ONLY applies to extraordinarily cases where medical interventions or explanations could not deal with the specific disease, or above all sorts, causes deterioration of health where no medicine can do, then God's intervention through fervent prayer hope faith can heal.


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As for cases of Infectious Diseases, by assuming you recover (and of course, with prayers) due to Convalescence Period actually is not right.
Nothing wrong IMO as everyone has different stages of growing spiritually.

Truth to be known, no disease, NOTHING is greater than God. Not even the devil. (1 John 4:4)

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:22
And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church,

Hebrews 2:8
and put everything under his feet." In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.

Do you know why in Hebrews 2:8, it says there, yet we do not see everything subject to him?

That's because there are areas in our lives we doubt God. As in your case you doubt that God is able to cure even terminal illness.

There's no need to hide this. It's nothing to new.

I'm here to let you know, the pope is wrong in this sense.

The Christian faith demands and promotes above natural sciences.

We have been given authority to do so.

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my question here may offend u all, maybe not i dunno

i saw alot horror movie about exorcist ghost or emily exorcist, 666 demon, and many

is it all really exist before? emily story i read article and it say that girl was possessed by many demon. why the gof not helping her and let her suffer till she died
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Mayan is another god among god
i play games i know it little. it a long ago the people mayan praygod  it, but i dunno bout how the look like. most that time all are predict and research on natural environment
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I believe all the gods of this world are none other the ones created by our enemy in concept of driving away people from knowing to one and true living God that we serve.
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I believe all the gods of this world are none other the ones created by our enemy in concept of driving away people from knowing to one and true living God that we serve.
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mayan religion are similiar like egyptian control by a prophet
and most prophet already know how the sun will affect our earth because they have research it. actually it not a end of world just another circle coming back and make it happen again. it nothing related with god maybe. only the prophet say it and people believe

this my answer
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 15 2012, 04:02 PM)
my question here may offend u all, maybe not i dunno

i saw alot horror movie about exorcist ghost or emily exorcist, 666  demon, and many

is it all really exist before? emily story i read article and it say that girl was possessed by many demon. why the gof not helping her and let her suffer till she died
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No don't worry about offending me, I will know when a question is genuine, when it's a troll question.

Yes, demons exist. They'e nothing more than fallen angels.

The reason why some people do not get delivered is because of the areas they don't know as truth.

We are bound by the words we professed.

Proverbs 18:21 says
The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.

And it is very true.

Most of the time, conventional priest will says it's because of sin. Which IMO is partly true but IF they never preach that God has totally forgiven the person's sin and it is up to the person to believe in it, the person in question will be in trouble.

If the person cannot come to believe that he or she has been totally forgiven, it gives the enemy legal rights to stay on in the body.
(This is for possessed case).

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No don't worry about offending me, I will know when a question is genuine, when it's a troll question.

Yes, demons exist. They'e nothing more than fallen angels.

The reason why some people do not get delivered is because of the areas they don't know as truth.

We are bound by the words we professed.

Proverbs 18:21 says
The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.

And it is very true.

Most of the time, conventional priest will says it's because of sin. Which IMO is partly true but IF they never preach that God has totally forgiven the person's sin and it is up to the person to believe in it, the person in question will be in trouble.

If the person cannot come to believe that he or she has been totally forgiven, it gives the enemy legal rights to stay on in the body.
(This is for possessed case).
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eh unable to understand it

fallen angels is satan right? a god who harm jesus and throw in the deep of hell
demon is animal human form

last sentence "sin"
emily is a good girl and why she must suffer this all during young time. she possessed by demon from hell.
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eh unable to understand it

fallen angels is satan right? a god who harm jesus and throw in the deep of hell
demon is animal human form

last sentence "sin"
emily is a good girl and why she must suffer this all during young time. she possessed by demon from hell.
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huh? Since when Satan harm and threw Jesus in deep of hell? biggrin.gif

Well yes, Satan is a fallen angel but he sure didn't harm Jesus neither did he threw Him in Hell. (but the opposite,)

No demons are not in animal forms, they can manifest as animal form but their true origin are the form of fallen angels.

Fallen angels lost the glory of God (Light) and thus exhibit the opposite form of (instead of Light) but Darkness.

In the Bible, God says everyone has sin.

Romans 3:23 (NLT)
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.

Good or Bad is irrelevant. Even the most seemingly harmless Child when fallen short of God's glorious standard allows the Enemy to interfere.

This can explained in detailed about inherited sin.

Those who does not have the spirit of God in their lives, are spiritually dead. This type give the enemy opportunity to attack.

But there are defences we can employ, such as prayer to cover the life of our love ones who have yet to believe in God.

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huh? Since when Satan harm and threw Jesus in deep of hell?  biggrin.gif

Well yes, Satan is a fallen angel but he sure didn't harm Jesus neither did he threw Him in Hell.

No demons are not in animal forms, they can manifest as animal form but their true origin are the form of fallen angels.

Fallen angels lost the glory of God (Light) and thus exhibit the opposite form of (instead of Light) but Darkness.

In the Bible, God says everyone has sin.

Romans 3:23 (NLT)
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.

Good or Bad is irrelevant. Even the most seemingly harmless Child when fallen short of God's glorious standard allows the Enemy to interfere.

This can explained in detailed about inherited sin.

Those who does not have the spirit of God in their lives, are spiritually dead. This type type give the enemy opportunity to attack.

But there are defences we can employ, such as prayer to cover the life of our love ones who have yet to believe in God.

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i mean jesus assistant throw satan in deep of hell not satan throw jesus
some demon use a fake light and fake advise to guide everyone too. ( read on novel and film)



the part i bold i understand, we human need to believe god and pray them and should not reject own god.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 15 2012, 04:45 PM)
i mean jesus assistant throw satan in deep of hell not satan throw jesus
some demon use a fake light and fake advise to guide everyone too. ( read on novel and film)
the part i bold i understand, we human need to believe god and pray them and should not reject own god.
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Yes you understand this.

Ermmm, I think I need to explain a bit more detail about your question.

It's not that God does not want to help people like Emily. He wants to, But God has set laws and boundaries that even demons and man must abide to otherwise there will be chaos and no order in this universe.

Something like the law of traffic light, if there is no traffic light for the convenient of some, there will be massive traffic jam and chaos for others. So this type of rule and law must be in place for proper order.

And it is our Job to know our legal spiritual rights as sons and daughters of God, so that we do not fall to the trap of the devil.

Demon possession is a complicated case. People do not get possessed over night. It happens when something has taken root for a long time.

I believe the possible root cause is guilt and condemnation.

And Jesus has come to set us free from ALL condemnation so that NO enemy can ever claim to have rights over those who believe.

Do not be afraid of demons and focus on the negative. Know that God is greater than all. Those who have Christ in their life has already overcome the world and the devil.

And to have Christ is just a few steps away by praying a simple prayer.

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You are still learning. I can see you want to agree. But yet you still have parts of doubt through these statements.
Nothing wrong IMO as everyone has different stages of growing spiritually.

Truth to be known, no disease, NOTHING is greater than God. Not even the devil. (1 John 4:4)

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:22
And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church,

Hebrews 2:8
and put everything under his feet." In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.

Do you know why in Hebrews 2:8, it says there, yet we do not see everything subject to him?

That's because there are areas in our lives we doubt God. As in your case you doubt that God is able to cure even terminal illness.

There's no need to hide this. It's nothing to new.

I'm here to let you know, the pope is wrong in this sense.

The Christian faith demands and promotes above natural sciences. - Negative. if this is true, why the Illuminatis? RCC err that time, refusing to accept Science that serves creation. So the Pope now is right. and if this is true, Why so many denominations allow abortion, contraception etc etc? It contradicts what you just said

We have been given authority to do so.
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It ONLY applies to extraordinarily cases where medical interventions or explanations could not deal with the specific disease, or above all sorts, causes deterioration of health where no medicine can do, then God's intervention through fervent prayer hope faith can heal.


Bro disregard my following sentence bro

Say that you have parents who have hypertension or heart diseases, supposedly when you age around 50-60 yr old generally you have AHT or HEart Diseases as it is of our diet, and our genetic flaws.

Pray to God alone would not solve your problem or make the fat go away.

Ignorance of one's health is not bliss dear bro. I am not saying contradicting things from the Bible, but taking care of your health is more than just praying, but also to observe diet.

So would you tell the doctor: Doc I am not going to do Coronary stenting. I believe by praying to God alone my arteries will be unblocked.

shocking.gif Instead, you pray to God that operation would go successfully and you can lead a better life to serve His will.

while NOTHING is greater than GOD, that I agree, there are some part, that we have to make. God plan the rest, we do our best. Even though this is not biblical but we always agree that 'Thy Will Be Done'

In this case, your life depends on God. But you make your best to care for it too.

This has nothing to do with my faith or spirituality. I am saying this as a concerning Doctor that would, for a patient.

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Bro disregard my following sentence bro

Say that you have parents who have hypertension or heart diseases, supposedly when you age around 50-60 yr old generally you have AHT or HEart Diseases as it is of our diet, and our genetic flaws.

Pray to God alone would not solve your problem or make the fat go away.

Ignorance of one's health is not bliss dear bro. I am not saying contradicting things from the Bible, but taking care of your health is more than just praying, but also to observe diet.

So would you tell the doctor: Doc I am not going to do Coronary stenting. I believe by praying to God alone my arteries will be unblocked.

shocking.gif Instead, you pray to God that operation would go successfully and you can lead a better life to serve His will.

while NOTHING is greater than GOD, that I agree, there are some part, that we have to make. God plan the rest, we do our best. Even though this is not biblical but we always agree that 'Thy Will Be Done'

In this case, your life depends on God. But you make your best to care for it too.

This has nothing to do with my faith or spirituality. I am saying this as a concerning Doctor that would, for a patient.
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Really depends on, your patients.

I'm not asking you when you become a doctor, to advise non believers as such.

It is only true for those who believe in Christ Jesus.

And you should have discernment of heart. Even though your patient may be a believer, ironically that person may not believe all the way as to what God can do.

That is why I said previously,

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I actually intend to preach one devotion about this to make you understand better.

Why those who are born again is no longer subject to the law and effect of Natural ageing.

And I need to correct this.

For people who believe in Christ,

Praying to God, can receive complete Healing from whatever symptoms the person is going through.

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Negative. if this is true, why the Illuminatis? RCC err that time, refusing to accept Science that serves creation. So the Pope now is right. and if this is true, Why so many denominations allow abortion, contraception etc etc? It contradicts what you just said
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Ah you took it in the context of morality.

I take it in the context of superceeding the law of natural science.


Added on December 15, 2012, 5:52 pmBTW wasn't talking about observing diets and taking care of Health.

That I leave it up to each individual.

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 15 2012, 05:21 PM)
shocking.gif Instead, you pray to God that operation would go successfully and you can lead a better life to serve His will.

while NOTHING is greater than GOD, that I agree, there are some part, that we have to make. God plan the rest, we do our best. Even though this is not biblical but we always agree that 'Thy Will Be Done'
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And do you know what is God's will when it comes a person's Health?



Edit: see u guise later at night.

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Really depends on, your patients.

I'm not asking you when you become a doctor, to advise non believers as such.

It is only true for those who believe in Christ Jesus.

And you should have discernment of heart. Even though your patient may be a believer, ironically that person may not believe all the way as to what God can do.

That is why I said previously,

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I actually intend to preach one devotion about this to make you understand better.

Why those who are born again is no longer subject to the law and effect of Natural ageing.

And I need to correct this.

For people who believe in Christ,

Praying to God,  can receive complete Healing from whatever symptoms the person is going through.
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This is what I believe: Diseases and illness are consequences of our sin, besides spiritual death. We men are corrupt by that very 'nature' you mentioned. And Yes, we are no longer subject o the law and effects of it, but nature takes its course too.

Take away all sin and selfishness and you would have heaven on earth. Even the remaining physical evils would no longer rankle and embitter us. I agree with Bro too

Saints endure and even embrace suffering and death as lovers embrace heroic challenges. But they do not embrace sin. They include us, Saints on earth, which I agree with Bro too.

Law and effect?
Furthermore, the cause of physical evil is spiritual evil. The cause of suffering is sin.

The Cross is God's part of the practical solution to evil. Our part, according to the same Gospel, is to repent, to believe, and to work with God in fighting evil by the power of love.
That is why Jesus said: “Take up your cross and follow Me” (Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)

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If you have Faith in both medicine and Healing from God, so be it.
If you have more Faith in Healing from God, also so be it.
If you have more Faith in medicine than Healing from God, so be it.


I am saying I have more faith in Healing from God, that I agree with Brother's sharing but I am also saying it is dangerous to just solely believe in ousting the disease that science, which serves Creation, ought to cure and it cannot be applied LITERALLY to all cases (if that happens, the world would now be the New Heaven on Earth, but fact is, it is not. The world now that God created IS GOOD - Genesis, but not ULTIMATELY GOOD). Therefore exists extraordinary cases where terminal illnesses are healed which I dont deny, but Praise be to God, but also exists cases where we inch along with fervent prayers to help us live through suffering while continue to fight with the disease or control it - Our Suffering.

Suffering can work for the greater good of wisdom. It is not true that all things are good, but it is true that "all things work together for good to those who love God.

He may not yet wipe tears away, but He makes them His.

It is Christ's invitation to us to follow him.
Christ goes to the cross, and we are invited to follow to the same cross.
Not because it is the cross, but because it is his.
Suffering is blessed not because it is suffering but because it is his.
Suffering is not the context that explains the cross; the cross is the context that explains suffering.

The key to the mystery of strength made perfect in weakness is the cross of Christ.

“My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity . . . This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones”
(Proverbs 3:1-2, 8)

“I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well” (3 John 1:2)

Obviously, God is more interested in our spiritual health than our physical well-being, but He does want us to be physically healthy as well. On the other hand, disease is a result of Adam’s sin, and even the most righteous may suffer. After all, Job was righteous, but God allowed him to suffer disease and hardship.

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The biblical instructions regarding health, maintenance, and recovery from illness involve application of cause-and-effect principles—based on true science—that were given thousands of years before scientists developed the technology that enabled them to discover germs, bacteria, viruses, genes and the like. Modern medical science has discovered many principles of good health, but they originated with God who designed and created the miracle that is the human body.


Therefore as a Dr in the future, Besides prescribing treatment, I would take to it personally to care for my patients and bring joy to them, as well as prayers with their intentions on my mind.


and I look forward to your devotion when you have time. thumbup.gif
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Christ, on the one hand, is in the third heavens. But on the other hand, He lives within us. Christ became the life-giving Spirit in order that He might live in us. Without being the life-giving Spirit, it would not be possible for the heavenly Christ to live in us. According to the New Testament revelation, Christ is both the ascended Lord and the life-giving Spirit. As the ascended Lord He is sitting in the heavens at the right hand of God, and as the life-giving Spirit He lives within us. Now we have Christ not only as our life but also as our person. Because He lives in us, we should take Him as our person and live Him.

In Galatians 2:20 Paul says, "Christ lives in me." We need a proper understanding of what it means for Christ to live in us. It is rather easy to understand that Christ lives, but it is difficult to understand how Christ lives in us. For Christ to live in us does not mean that He lives instead of us. In Galatians 2:20 Paul says, on the one hand, "no longer I," and on the other hand, "Christ lives in me." The phrase "in me" is of great importance. Yes, it is Christ who lives, but He lives in us.

In order to understand how Christ can live in us, we need to consider John 14. Before His death and resurrection, the Lord Jesus said to the disciples, "Because I live, you shall live also" (v. 19). Christ lives in us by causing us to live with Him. Christ does not live alone; He lives in us and with us. He lives in us by enabling us to live with Him. In a very real sense, if we do not live with Him, He cannot live in us. We have not been altogether ruled out, and our life has not been exchanged for the divine life. We continue to exist, but we exist with the Triune God. The Triune God who now dwells within us causes us to live with Christ. Hence, Christ lives in us through our living with Him.

In John 6:57 the Lord Jesus said, "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me shall also live because of Me." The Son did not live by Himself. However, this does not mean that the Son was set aside and ceased to exist. The Son, of course, continued to exist, but He did not live His own life. Instead, He lived the life of the Father. In this way the Son and the Father had one life and one living. It is the same in our relationship with Christ today. We and Christ do not have two lives. We have one life and one living. We live by Him, and He lives in us. If we do not live, He does not live; and if He does not live, we cannot live. On the one hand, we are terminated; on the other hand, we continue to exist, but we do not exist without Christ. Christ lives within us, and we live with Him. Therefore, we and He have one life and one living.

Paul's word in Galatians 2:20 about Christ living in us is definite and emphatic. There is no ambiguity here. Paul clearly says that Christ, as a person, lives in us. This Christ who lives in us is the pneumatic Christ, the Christ who is the Spirit. Now that He dwells in us as the Spirit, we need to learn how to let Him live in us and how to live together with Him. A normal believer is a person who has one life and one living with Christ. We are one spirit with Him (1 Cor. 6:17), we have one life with Him, and now we should be one person with Him. Sooner or later, those who seek the Lord realize that Someone divine, heavenly, eternal, and spiritual lives in them as a person. If we see this, we shall also see that just as He lived because of the Father, we should now live because of Him, taking Him as our person.

Paul could say not only that Christ lived in him, but also that to him to live was Christ (Phil. 1:21). On the one hand, Christ lived in Paul; on the other hand, Paul lived Christ. Inwardly Christ was Paul's life, and outwardly Christ was Paul's living. Paul and Christ thus had one life and one living. Christ's life was Paul's life, and Paul's living was Christ's living. The two, Christ and Paul, lived as one. First Corinthians 6:17 refers to such a living. In this verse Paul says that we are one spirit with the Lord. The organic union that has taken place between us and Christ causes us to be so close and intimate with Him that we are even one spirit with Him. If we would live Christ, we must take Him as our person and be one person with Him. He and we must be one in a practical way.

To live Christ is not merely to be holy, spiritual, and victorious. To live Christ is to live a person. In our daily living we should simply live Christ. We should live a life that is Christ Himself. The Gospel of John reveals that, as those who believe in Christ, we need to live Christ. We have seen that, according to John 6:57, we should live because of Him. Furthermore, according to John 14:19 and 20, we live in Christ in the way of coinherence. He lives in the Father, we live in Him, and He lives in us. We not only coexist with Christ; we coinhere with Him. This means that He lives in us and we live in Him. We have such a life of coinherence with Christ because He is the pneumatic Christ, the life-giving Spirit.

Christ lives in us so that we may live Him. We need to practice living Christ in all the details, particularly in the small things, of our daily life. I believe that this was Paul's experience and practice. The books of Galatians and Philippians indicate that Paul was a person who practiced living Christ in all the small things. His desire was to be found in Christ by others (Phil. 3:9). This indicates that in all things, in every detail of his life, he practiced living Christ. For Paul, this was not a mere doctrine; it was also a fact. It should also be real and practical to us that Christ lives in us and that we live Him.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 15 2012, 06:41 PM)
This is what I believe: Diseases and illness are consequences of our sin, besides spiritual death. We men are corrupt by that very 'nature' you mentioned. And Yes, we are no longer subject o the law and effects of it, but nature takes its course too.

Take away all sin and selfishness and you would have heaven on earth. Even the remaining physical evils would no longer rankle and embitter us. I agree with Bro too

Saints endure and even embrace suffering and death as lovers embrace heroic challenges. But they do not embrace sin. They include us, Saints on earth, which I agree with Bro too.

Law and effect?
Furthermore, the cause of physical evil is spiritual evil. The cause of suffering is sin.

The Cross is God's part of the practical solution to evil. Our part, according to the same Gospel, is to repent, to believe, and to work with God in fighting evil by the power of love.
That is why Jesus said: “Take up your cross and follow Me” (Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)
I am saying I have more faith in Healing from God, that I agree with Brother's sharing but I am also saying it is dangerous to just solely believe in ousting the disease that science, which serves Creation, ought to cure and it cannot be applied LITERALLY to all cases (if that happens, the world would now be the New Heaven on Earth, but fact is, it is not. The world now that God created IS GOOD - Genesis, but not ULTIMATELY GOOD). Therefore exists extraordinary cases where terminal illnesses are healed which I dont deny, but Praise be to God, but also exists cases where we inch along with fervent prayers to help us live through suffering while continue to fight with the disease or control it - Our Suffering.

Suffering can work for the greater good of wisdom. It is not true that all things are good, but it is true that "all things work together for good to those who love God.

He may not yet wipe tears away, but He makes them His.

It is Christ's invitation to us to follow him.
Christ goes to the cross, and we are invited to follow to the same cross.
Not because it is the cross, but because it is his.
Suffering is blessed not because it is suffering but because it is his.
Suffering is not the context that explains the cross; the cross is the context that explains suffering.

The key to the mystery of strength made perfect in weakness is the cross of Christ.

“My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity . . . This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones”
(Proverbs 3:1-2, 8)

“I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well” (3 John 1:2)

Obviously, God is more interested in our spiritual health than our physical well-being, but He does want us to be physically healthy as well. On the other hand, disease is a result of Adam’s sin, and even the most righteous may suffer. After all, Job was righteous, but God allowed him to suffer disease and hardship.
Therefore as a Dr in the future, Besides prescribing treatment, I would take to it personally to care for my patients and bring joy to them, as well as prayers with their intentions on my mind.
and I look forward to your devotion when you have time.  thumbup.gif
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This could be prophetic.

You will learn as you grow in the Lord, that when you have Faith that God is able to heal all diseases, you can attempt to apply in any cases, in your line of work towards believers. Let God heal them through your words and your hands.

I don't know if it's my personal thought or the Holy Spirit telling me but I think you presume I'm trying to discredit medical science. Hence your worry and your postings above. biggrin.gif

I think you should know, during Jesus time, sinners who touched Jesus or his garment was healed. Something for you to ponder.

One question I'm kinda curious, have you experience any miracle in your life that defy rationale explanation?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 16 2012, 12:23 AM)
This could be prophetic.

You will learn as you grow in the Lord, that when you have Faith that God is able to heal all diseases, you can attempt to apply in any cases, in your line of work towards believers. Let God heal them through your words and your hands.

I don't know if it's my personal thought or the Holy Spirit telling me but I think you presume I'm trying to discredit medical science. Hence your worry and your postings above. biggrin.gif

I think you should know, during Jesus time, sinners who touched Jesus or his garment was healed. Something for you to ponder.

One question I'm kinda curious, have you experience any miracle in your life that defy rationale explanation?
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Finally I see that you understand what I wanted to say. God heals, we help.

And yeah, I worry due to my presumption because your sharing was too awesome not to bear medical science into it (first-time readers and non believers would be shell-shocked)

as for me? everyday biggrin.gif Defy rational Explanation? BOUNDLESS!!! I would say non believers who read would think I am crazy. Believers would be skeptical or in awe or jealous *I would encourage my bros n sis when I share miracles happened in my life or sometimes, private revelation so they are not discouraged* I record them to my diary smile.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 15 2012, 05:58 PM)
Yes you understand this.

Ermmm, I think I need to explain a bit more detail about your question.

It's not that God does not want to help people like Emily. He wants to, But God has set laws and boundaries that even demons and man must abide to otherwise there will be chaos and no order in this universe.

Something like the law of traffic light, if there is no traffic light for the convenient of some, there will be massive traffic jam and chaos for others. So this type of rule and law must be in place for proper order.

And it is our Job to know our legal spiritual rights as sons and daughters of God, so that we do not fall to the trap of the devil.

Demon possession is a complicated case. People do not get possessed over night. It happens when something has taken root for a long time.

I believe the possible root cause is guilt and condemnation.

And Jesus has come to set us free from ALL condemnation so that NO enemy can ever claim to have rights over those who believe.

Do not be afraid of demons and focus on the negative. Know that God is greater than all. Those who have Christ in their life has already overcome the world and the devil.

And to have Christ is just a few steps away by praying a simple prayer.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 16 2012, 12:41 AM)
Finally I see that you understand what I wanted to say. God heals, we help.

And yeah, I worry due to my presumption because your sharing was too awesome not to bear medical science into it (first-time readers and non believers would be shell-shocked)

as for me? everyday  biggrin.gif Defy rational Explanation? BOUNDLESS!!! I would say non believers who read would think I am crazy. Believers would be skeptical or in awe or jealous *I would encourage my bros n sis when I share miracles happened in my life or sometimes, private revelation so they are not discouraged* I record them to my diary  smile.gif
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nah, couldn't care less about the shock part because if they are, good. It's about time they should ask, how can it be?

Actually what I meant was God heals others through you as a channel at times without medical science involve.

Your word of prayer and your hands to flow God's blessing.

Something you might find uneasy to believe at this moment.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 16 2012, 01:51 AM)
nah, couldn't care less about the shock part because if they are, good. It's about time they should ask, how can it be?

Actually what I meant was God heals others through you as a channel at times without medical science involve.

Your word of prayer and your hands to flow God's blessing.

Something you might find uneasy to believe at this moment.
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god cannot heal us only we heal our sick by medical science
we need pray for god for our healthy body life and we need medicine to prevent sick

"is it" ?
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 16 2012, 12:54 AM)
god cannot heal us only we heal our sick by medical science
we need pray for god for our healthy body life and we need medicine to prevent sick

"is it" ?
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Both also can. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 16 2012, 01:57 AM)
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from edi post

That is why Jesus said: “Take up your cross and follow Me” (Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)
I am saying I have more faith in Healing from God, that I agree with Brother's sharing but I am also saying it is dangerous to just solely believe in ousting the disease that science, which serves Creation, ought to cure and it cannot be applied LITERALLY to all cases (if that happens, the world would now be the New Heaven on Earth, but fact is, it is not. The world now that God created IS GOOD - Genesis, but not ULTIMATELY GOOD). Therefore exists extraordinary cases where terminal illnesses are healed which I dont deny, but Praise be to God, but also exists cases where we inch along with fervent prayers to help us live through suffering while continue to fight with the disease or control it - Our Suffering.

This
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from edi post

That is why Jesus said: “Take up your cross and follow Me” (Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)
I am saying I have more faith in Healing from God, that I agree with Brother's sharing but I am also saying it is dangerous to just solely believe in ousting the disease that science, which serves Creation, ought to cure and it cannot be applied LITERALLY to all cases (if that happens, the world would now be the New Heaven on Earth, but fact is, it is not. The world now that God created IS GOOD - Genesis, but not ULTIMATELY GOOD). Therefore exists extraordinary cases where terminal illnesses are healed which I dont deny, but Praise be to God, but also exists cases where we inch along with fervent prayers to help us live through suffering while continue to fight with the disease or control it - Our Suffering.

This
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God can bless medical science to heal / or to guide doctors to administer a person of illness.
God can also Heal directly if the person is able to believe.

Both also can.
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Matthew 9:29 (KJV)
........ According to your faith be it unto you.

I always tell people to be comfortable at the level of Faith, God has given you.

If you have Faith in both medicine and Healing from God, so be it.
If you have more Faith in Healing from God, also so be it.
If you have more Faith in medicine than Healing from God, so be it.

Having more Faith in Healing from God does not mean, disbelieve in Medicine.

I always say this and I believe it's true. Different people have different level of Faith in their journey and walk with God.

If you believe diseases are greater than God, so be it but you dangerously put God in a limitation box by what you believe, thereby hindering yourself of God's blessings.

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 16 2012, 01:06 AM)
Matthew 9:29 (KJV)
........ According to your faith be it unto you.

I always tell people to be comfortable at the level of Faith, God has given you.

If you have Faith in both medicine and Healing from God, so be it.
If you have more Faith in Healing from God, also so be it.
If you have more Faith in medicine than Healing from God, so be it.

Having more Faith in Healing from God does not mean, disbelieve in Medicine.

I always say this and I believe it's true. Different people have different level of Faith in their journey and walk with God.

If you believe diseases are greater than God, so be it but you dangerously put God in a limitation box by what you believe, thereby hindering yourself of God's blessings.

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Yes because some people have more faith in medical science and medical equipment to help them to recover, it doesn't mean God won't flow his healing in those 2 areas.

See, God will flow in areas your Faith has open up. If it's medical science for the person, it will flow in that area.

As Christians we can have the best of both world, medical science and God.

Don't think medical science is 100%. There are cases even when prescribe the right medicine, the body refuse to respond.

If medical science is 100%, doctors will not ask patient to sign a form of legal release when something goes wrong, especially when it comes to operations or surgery.

Most Hospital practise this, laugh.gif

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 16 2012, 02:15 AM)
Yes because some people have more faith in medical science and medical equipment to help them to recover, it doesn't mean God won't flow his healing in those 2 areas.

See, God will flow in areas your Faith has open up. If it's medical science for the person, it will flow in that area.

As Christians we can have the best of both world, medical science and God.

Don't think medical science is 100%. There are cases even when prescribe the right medicine, the body refuse to respond.

If medical science is 100%, doctors will not ask patient to sign a form of legal release when something goes wrong, especially when it comes to operations or surgery.


Most Hospital practise this,  laugh.gif
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ya i agree what u saying it.

from my mind, i know the god give us a brain and he tell us use our brain to create and make a medicine to help human.
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 16 2012, 01:23 AM)
ya i agree what u saying it.

from my mind, i know the god give us a brain and he tell us use our brain to create and make a medicine to help human.
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yes I agree with what you just said. I credit all such knowledge and talent, comes from Almighty God.

Goodnight.



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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 16 2012, 02:30 AM)
yes I agree with what you just said. I credit all such knowledge and talent, comes from Almighty God.

Goodnight.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 16 2012, 12:51 AM)
nah, couldn't care less about the shock part because if they are, good. It's about time they should ask, how can it be?

Actually what I meant was God heals others through you as a channel at times without medical science involve.

Your word of prayer and your hands to flow God's blessing.

Something you might find uneasy to believe at this moment.
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if you mean God healing others esp spiritually, yes. I believe somehow, I have this gift to delight others, many people told me so, the first time I realised it was 2011 in Spain, when my Spanish foster father told me, even though we could not understand each other well, he could see that I connect easily with people, partly due to my passion. and I told him, 'do u not know, more often than not, it hurts me, bec why people can be happy of what I said, what I did, even a smile, yet I could not find this happiness myself, from others but only consolation from God?'

He answered me ' My child, do not worry. It is a gift for you, and you should make people happy while let God works through you.'

He was not even a serious religious man, as he thinks religion is over-rated, he would stand at one side at every Mass in church. (I believe he has his pains, but I pray for him as he did not see his daughter nor his beloved for a few years and he lives alone)

and I cried the whole night in the bathtub thinking, 'Lord, if it is your will, let it be so'

since then, I no longer feel empty in myself, that even though I could not be easily as happy as others, I can make others happy.

biggrin.gif Now, I live happier, bec I know, I should not seek happiness or to be understood, but to understand, to love first, as not to be loved. and I am still happy that I am such a gift to people, to make people happy, many call me their little angel (due to my baby face and cheerful nature).

That is why I like the song I shared previously on last page 'Make me a Channel of Your Peace'

Lately, I also am trying to help my friends who are eager to listen to me , even though long winded, they delight in it, that they should divert their attention and faith to God. Sometimes, I notice ppl get discouraged when they see me happy, that they tell me, 'Jeffrey, I think God loves you very very much' and I sense the resentment or some envy in them. That I say, ' God loves you very very much too '

It works, my advice does, so yeah, I think I have this gift, and I want to utilise this gift for the Lord smile.gif

physically healing?? I am not St Francis of Assisi or those you read in Bible, have the power of healing. I dont believe it is my ministry. But I can make do, with a doctor, with help of medicine, His grace for me to be astute in diagnosing diseases wink.gif

But God physically healed me I experienced too, most vividly this
(from a very serious one as well, after the trip to Europe, very same 2011 - I had been coughing bubblish water from my lungs and I think its pleural effusion after I swam in the sea in Marseille, to be hospitalised would mean 1 month in bed and I relied on Prayer alone while my church friend tended to me as I stayed over at his place, I could only prayer for recovery through prayer and antibiotics and nothing else, coughing profusely day and night and recovered though, something medically is impossible as pleural effusion would need aspiration of fluids from the lungs or slowly but would mean respiratory failure. What was I thinking? that the europe trip is a pilgrimage, and if God willed me to experience a youthful heaven on earth meeting 'World Youth Day', He would lead me out of this illness and prepare me for the new semester),

as my mum did - medically untreatable slipped disc but only physiotherapy, one morning while sleeping upon waking up she saw Jesus came to her, touched her spine and it was healed, she no longer needs physiotherapy and can walk freely, cant carry heavy but it was really healed thumbup.gif (which led her to believe - shes a convert), while I am raised through my dad's family faith roots. Gosh, my dad waited 15 years for that biggrin.gif with Faith, you can move a mountain is true wink.gif and I was sleeping beside her - i was still small and I am afraid of darkness so I was with my parents in the same room, and I said, where is Jesus? I wanna meet him!!! Ah, that moment biggrin.gif Mum told me Jesus was just beside me, exactly sitting beside me while healing my mum...I was sleeping soundly sad.gif

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ya i agree what u saying it.

from my mind, i know the god give us a brain and he tell us use our brain to create and make a medicine to help human.
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and with the corrupt nature of human mind, ppl tend to think science can overstep and explain God, even rule out God's existence.

This is mans biggest error. Our finite mind cannot explain, let alone dispute about something infinite.

Because of this, the devil - greatest liar of all, try to impart doubts into human minds and tempt us to rebel against God, bec they are jealous when we, want to know more about God and be with God, walk with God.

Therefore also, we must 'take up our Cross'. Even better, we have Holy Spirit, Jesus helping us. When Christ was carrying, He was atoning for all of us humans. So if we can delve into His Passion, we would also become more and more faithful to Him. It is sometimes what I do, to meditate upon the Passion of Christ, even though we Christians rejoice in Resurrection and His victory wink.gif
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I've heard alot of testimony through churches and friends about miracle healing happens on those who're having chronic disease, and I believed it. I believe miracle do happens and not just on health issues.

I do agree with both Jedi and brother unknown warrior state. From my perspective, God is always there for us, and if there's additional options for me, I'll try both but prayer is always the first priority. biggrin.gif
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Here are 2 videos showing the image of Virgin Mary in Malaysia.

1st video shows the sighting at Sime Darby Medical Centre, Subang Jaya.
After that the window panels were taken down and moved to Klang.
http://youtu.be/_kTuth59O6Y




2nd video shows closer view of the image at Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in Klang.
This video has image in close-up and more detailed view.
http://youtu.be/_8aDR0nznAQ




Please feel free to share smile.gif

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god do not need to show infront of our eye sight of god images to makes miracle happen.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 16 2012, 02:44 AM)
and with the corrupt nature of human mind, ppl tend to think science can overstep and explain God, even rule out God's existence.

This is mans biggest error. Our finite mind cannot explain, let alone dispute about something infinite.

Because of this, the devil - greatest liar of all, try to impart doubts into human minds and tempt us to rebel against God, bec they are jealous when we, want to know more about God and be with God, walk with God.

Therefore also, we must 'take up our Cross'. Even better, we have Holy Spirit, Jesus helping us. When Christ was carrying, He was atoning for all of us humans. So if we can delve into His Passion, we would also become more and more faithful to Him. It is sometimes what I do, to meditate upon the Passion of Christ, even though we Christians rejoice in Resurrection and His victory  wink.gif
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is human mistake no believe a god after have such technology can help alot people invent by people not god
since make people not believe god.

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 16 2012, 08:21 PM)
god do not need to show infront of our eye sight of god images to makes miracle happen.
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god appear on or dream
do u believe?
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 16 2012, 10:15 PM)
is human mistake no believe a god after have such technology can help alot people invent by people not god
since make people not believe god.
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not human mistake but ignorant. Humans often forget this. Hence the Tower of Babel story. well, History always repeats itself.. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 16 2012, 10:16 PM)
god appear on or dream
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possible, not just on dream, even to you - private revelation. Do you believe? Doctors wont. They call it - hallucination. We call it - mystical vision
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 16 2012, 10:16 PM)
god appear on or dream
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sry for did not quote my reply more specific, coz replying using phone when i was outside.. sweat.gif
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god do not need to show infront of our eye sight of god images to makes miracle happen.


is actually quoting for this below
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Here are 2 videos showing the image of Virgin Mary in Malaysia.

1st video shows the sighting at Sime Darby Medical Centre, Subang Jaya.
After that the window panels were taken down and moved to Klang.
http://youtu.be/_kTuth59O6Y



Added on December 17, 2012, 12:21 am
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若果每一個信徒研讀聖經後,知道聖經不是要來查考或研讀,而是要求信徒遵行的時候,今天教會必然能夠像初期教會信徒一樣;帶來翻天覆地的效果。(若果衹研讀聖經而不遵行的人;就如法利賽人一樣,最終是瞎子領瞎子。)聖經要求我們遵行的就是廣傳福音、彼此相愛。

I can't read in Chinese either, anyhow I will translate from Google with the result below.
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If every believer to study the Bible, you know that the Bible is not to examine or study, but for believers followed, and today the church is bound to like the early church believers; bring tremendous results. (If only to study the Bible without compliance; as a Pharisee, and ultimately the blind lead the blind.) Bible requires us to comply with is to preach the Gospel, to love one another.

I got this share from Pastor Enoch Lam, I found it very useful and would likes to share with u all and a good night too..

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Christmas Message

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Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Christmas is coming. You can already see the Festive season and Holiday decoration adorning with all the blings on Christmas Trees in Shopping Malls and Street decoration. The jolly fat guy and his reindeer is what you would expect in a que line where children, line up in expectation of Christmas gifts or photo sessions.

People dressing up as Santa's Elves, advertising company's product, shouting Merry Christmas. It's a time for joyful season and merry making, visiting friends, gathering and dinners.

It's that special time of the season. Where kids would watch TV cartoons and Christmas shows. Christmas carolling. People are shopping, taking holidays in relaxation.

The hair of my arm stands thinking about this joyous occasion. Everything seems perfect and nothing could go wrong.

All except for one thing. Is Christmas really all about that?

2000 years ago.

Near the town of Bethlehem, in a grassy field, some shepherds are tending their sheep in the night watch, everything was peaceful and calm, when suddenly, an angel of God appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

But the Angel said.

"Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David, a Saviour has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger"

That's right, this good news is for everyone. Not just for the elites people of this world. Everyone. Especially the downcast. the outcast, the prostitutes, the lepers, the tax collectors, the lonely, the ones where people would not look twice in their direction. Sinners. Jesus has come to save you.

You know, one would expect a royal celebration on Earth, with great fireworks, grand announcement with VIP delegates and nationwide broadcast coverage that befits a King.

But our King was born in a smelly manger where there are farm animals. If you been to farm, you would understand, and the fact, a farm 2000 years ago when technology was non existence. Where the Devil would least expect to happen.

Jesus Christ left his majestic Kingdom of Glory, born into a poor family of Joseph and Mary. To identify himself to the people who needs hope.

The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

This is not spiritual richness but both spiritual and life prosperity. Health and Wealth. Indeed, Jesus Came to give us an abundant life.

The saviour of Mankind has come in meekness and humbleness. Jesus came to restore us back to the original intention of God, back in the garden of Eden.

Where we were created in God's own image and was blessed with the command to prosper and ordained to rule creation. This would include To remove the Sin stain upon us. To restore us back to the one true God who loves us passionately.

And Satan has avert and hijack, replacing the true message of Christmas so that people would not know the birth of Jesus Christ. Where instead of Jesus, Santa Clause or Father Christmas has been replace. And sadly it's true, in every Christmas decoration in our streets and shopping, the scene of Nativity is missing.

Christmas has lost it's true message in this world. Where it's suppose to be a yearly reminder that there is hope for all Mankind. All because of the birth of the baby Boy Jesus Christ. The Saviour and Messiah of Man and Woman.

I pray dear friends, that you'll take up the courage to spread the true message of Christmas. To face the world and revert back to the gospel of Christ. Do not feel ashamed even if ridiculed or mocked. The glory of Christ will rest on you.

Let us arise in spirit and sing this joyous occasion with the intention of letting the world know that Jesus has come and has risen. Amen?

God Bless.









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I remember once during Christmas mass, we sang Happy Birthday to Jesus led by the priest. Instead of the normal We wish you a merry christmas. I think that's proper considering we're celebrating his birth into our world after all.
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I know this is kinda random but anyone of you have watched Life of Pi? If you have, care to give your two cents on it? If you haven't, well, go watch it. Now.
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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Dec 17 2012, 04:44 AM)
I remember once during Christmas mass, we sang Happy Birthday to Jesus led by the priest. Instead of the normal We wish you a merry christmas. I think that's proper considering we're celebrating his birth into our world after all.
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Amen, for indeed Christmas is really about Jesus Christ.

The world has made everything Christmas in reverse of it's original message.
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QUOTE(kennethkee93 @ Dec 16 2012, 02:39 AM)
I've heard alot of testimony through churches and friends about miracle healing happens on those who're having chronic disease, and I believed it. I believe miracle do happens and not just on health issues.

I do agree with both Jedi and brother unknown warrior state. From my perspective, God is always there for us, and if there's additional options for me, I'll try both but prayer is always the first priority. biggrin.gif
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As this is Christmas Season,

let us spread the festive feeling.


Angels we have heard on high



Angels we have heard on high
Sweetly singing o'er the plains,
And the mountains in reply
Echoing their joyous strains.

Refrain

Gloria, in excelsis Deo!
Gloria, in excelsis Deo!

Shepherds, why this jubilee?
Why your joyous strains prolong?
What the gladsome tidings be
Which inspire your heavenly song?

Refrain

Come to Bethlehem and see
Christ Whose birth the angels sing;
Come, adore on bended knee,
Christ the Lord, the newborn King.

Refrain

See Him in a manger laid,
Whom the choirs of angels praise;
Mary, Joseph, lend your aid,
While our hearts in love we raise.

Refrain

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From a post I enjoyed:

What’s so significant about the birth of Jesus Christ? And what does it really mean to us today?

I’m afraid, to some, it’s just one of the trappings of the holiday season—a nativity scene and some songs. Others may regard it as a historical event, yet with little thought as to, “what’s the real meaning of the birth of Jesus?”…and, “How does it apply to me today?”

Before we consider the Word though, I’d like to mention Charles Wesley’s famous hymn, “Hark the Herald Angels Sing…” Look closely at its lyrics, especially those in stanza two. You’ll be impressed with something of the real meaning of the birth of Jesus. This stanza says:

Christ, by highest heav’n adored,
Christ, the everlasting Lord:
Late in time behold Him come,
Offspring of a virgin’s womb.
Veiled in flesh the Godhead see,
Hail th’ incarnate Deity!
Pleased as man with man to dwell,
Jesus our Immanuel.

First, it says that Christ was “the everlasting Lord…come, Offspring of a virgin’s womb”—Isa. 7:14

This stanza refers to Isaiah 7:14 which says,

“Behold the virgin will conceive and will bear a son, and she will call his name Immanuel.”

How awesome that this “son” born of the virgin Mary was the everlasting Lord!

Part of footnote 1 on this verse, in the Recovery Version, says,

“…He was a child of a dual nature, the divine nature and the human nature issuing in Immanuel, i.e., God with us, for the salvation of God’s people…”

Second, Wesley’s hymn points out that He was “the Godhead veiled in flesh”—John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9.

Colossians 2:9 supports this point by saying,

“For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

Footnote 3 on this verse says,

“This points to the physical body that Christ put on in His humanity, indicating that all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ as the One who has a human body…”

Third, Wesley boldly stated that Christ was “the incarnate Deity!”

We need such a clear view that the Christ in whom we believe is the eternal God incarnated to be a finite man—the “incarnate Deity.” His birth was the conception of the Holy Spirit in a human virgin to bring forth our Savior who is both the complete God and a genuine, perfect man.

Matt. 1:18 and 20 say,

“Now the origin of Jesus Christ was in this way: His mother, Mary, after she had been engaged to Joseph, before they came together, was found to be with child of the Holy Spirit.”… But while he pondered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife, for that which has been begotten in her is of the Holy Spirit.”

Part of footnote 2 on Luke 1:35 explains these verses by saying,

“…Matt. 1:18 and 20 tell us that Mary “was found to be with child of the Holy Spirit,” and that “that which has been begotten in her is of the Holy Spirit.” This indicates that the divine essence out of the Holy Spirit had been begotten in Mary’s womb before she delivered the child Jesus. Such a conception of the Holy Spirit in the human virgin, accomplished with the divine and human essences, constituted a mingling of the divine nature with the human nature, which produced a God-man, One who is both the complete God and the perfect man, possessing the divine nature and the human nature distinctly, without a third nature being produced. This is the most wonderful and most excellent person of Jesus, who is Jehovah the Savior.”

Fourth, He is “Jesus our Immanuel”—Matt. 1:21, 23!

The angel continued in verse 21 saying,

“And she will bear a son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins.”

Then verses 22-23 present the birth of Jesus as the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 mentioned earlier in this post. Matthew referred to it by saying,

‘Now all this has happened so that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel” (which is translated, God with us).’

Jesus was, is, and will eternally be our “Emmanuel”—not only in His birth, but also now, much more, in His resurrection. He is now “God with us,” as the resurrected One, the life-giving Spirit, with our spirit (2 Tim. 4:22). He is with us in this way from the moment with believe into Him into eternity.
Finally, be impressed that the meaning of “incarnation” is simply the mingling of God with man.

The meaning of the birth of Jesus Christ was the mingling of God with man. In this mingling there was both divinity and humanity mingled together, without a third nature being produced.

This is what it means to be a real Christian. Not only was Jesus such a mingling of God with man, but every true believer in Christ is mingled with God, to be a God-man.

To be born again, or regenerated, is to experience such a divine birth in which God is mingled with man!

The best way for us to enter into the real meaning of Christ’s birth is to invite Him to mingle Himself with us. When we call on Him—“Lord Jesus, our Emmanuel!”—we not only get saved from hell, we get mingled with this God-man, the One who is the “Incarnate Deity.”

So may we no longer just consider the birth of Jesus as an event to commemorate but as God’s gift of a wonderful Person for us to receive and be mingled with. To be thoroughly mingled with the Lord Jesus is the best remembrance we can ever give Him.
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Can't wait to sing this in Church.



O Come All Ye Faithful
Joyful and triumphant,
O come ye, O come ye to Bethlehem.
Come and behold Him,
Born the King of Angels;
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ the Lord.

O Sing, choirs of angels,
Sing in exultation,
Sing all that hear in heaven God's holy word.
Give to our Father glory in the Highest;
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ the Lord.

All Hail! Lord, we greet Thee,
Born this happy morning,
O Jesus! for evermore be Thy name adored.
Word of the Father, now in flesh appearing;
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ the Lord.
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QUOTE(happy_berry @ Dec 17 2012, 06:22 AM)
I know this is kinda random but anyone of you have watched Life of Pi? If you have, care to give your two cents on it? If you haven't, well, go watch it. Now.
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I had watched it, i don't have 2 cents in my pocket.. all I can say its a very very very good movie that I encourage whoever received my message here.. please go watch it! at cinema pls.. this will support the company to make more good movie thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 17 2012, 11:13 AM)
I had watched it, i don't have 2 cents in my pocket.. all I can say its a very very very good movie that I encourage whoever received my message here.. please go watch it! at cinema pls.. this will support the company to make more good movie  thumbup.gif
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Which story did you choose?
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Angels we have heard on high
Sweetly singing o’er the plains,
And the mountains in reply
Echoing their joyous strains.

Refrain

Gloria, in excelsis Deo!
Gloria, in excelsis Deo!

Shepherds, why this jubilee?
Why your joyous strains prolong?
What the gladsome tidings be
Which inspire your heavenly song?

Refrain

Come to Bethlehem and see
Christ Whose birth the angels sing;
Come, adore on bended knee,
Christ the Lord, the newborn King.

Refrain

See Him in a manger laid,
Whom the choirs of angels praise;
Mary, Joseph, lend your aid,
While our hearts in love we raise.

Refrain
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QUOTE(happy_berry @ Dec 17 2012, 12:16 PM)
Which story did you choose?
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I choose the 1 with tiger biggrin.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 17 2012, 02:18 PM)
I choose the 1 with tiger biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif
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As expected. But why?
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QUOTE(happy_berry @ Dec 17 2012, 02:19 PM)
As expected. But why?
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I never had chance* to makes my mind to think why, I guess that what makes the story looks cool to me personally of coz. hehe

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Sing and Shout for joy....

Rejoice..Rejoice..Rejoice...
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Hark the herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled"
Joyful, all ye nations rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With the angelic host proclaim:
"Christ is born in Bethlehem"
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"

Christ by highest heav'n adored
Christ the everlasting Lord!
Late in time behold Him come
Offspring of a Virgin's womb
Veiled in flesh the Godhead see
Hail the incarnate Deity
Pleased as man with man to dwell
Jesus, our Emmanuel
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"

Hail the heav'n-born Prince of Peace!
Hail the Son of Righteousness!
Light and life to all He brings
Ris'n with healing in His wings
Mild He lays His glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"
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love this song by Christ Tomlin! always play it during christmas!

also thanks for the new songs! biggrin.gif
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I'm searching for more Christmas songs.

more on the way...


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Hi , might I suggest "Peace Carol" and "Noel:Christmas Eve, 1913" by John Denver + Muppets..

and in youtube there's a song dedicated to the dead in Newtown by a Vance Perry who sings "O little town of Bethlehem"

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QUOTE(smallbug @ Dec 17 2012, 10:28 PM)
Hi , might I suggest "Peace Carol" and "Noel:Christmas Eve, 1913" by John Denver + Muppets..

and in youtube there's a song dedicated to the dead in Newton by a Vance Perry who sings "O little town of Bethlehem"
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dedicated to the dead?
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where was God in the Connecticut shooting?


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where was God in the Connecticut shooting?


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doh.gif each time some cataclysmic event happens, surely will be someone coming out 'where is God?'

Anyway: Good video on saying about existence of God amidst our suffering

meanwhile moer about THERE IS GOD in the connecticut shooting smile.gif

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twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38
when 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate.
their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air.
they could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
they were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.
they remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"this is heaven." declared a small boy. "we're spending Christmas at God's house." when what to their wondering eyes did appear,
but Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
and in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring
those children all flew into the arms of their King
and as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace,
one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
and as if He could read all the questions she had
He gently whispered to her, "I'll take care of mom and dad."
then He looked down on earth, the world far below
He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe
then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"may this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"come now my children, let me show you around."
excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
all displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
and i heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight,
"in the midst of this darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT."

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 17 2012, 11:11 PM)
dedicated to the dead?
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post Dec 18 2012, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 18 2012, 03:11 AM)
doh.gif  each time some cataclysmic event happens, surely will be someone coming out 'where is God?'

Anyway: Good video on saying about existence of God amidst our suffering

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That's what human do, even myself. When we are at our comfort zone, we don't seek God, and when we faced bad things, we cried "where is God?".

Btw, I got a book titled "Where is God" by John Townsend, good book btw, can read at Google Book
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where was God in the Connecticut shooting?


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Have you consider John the Baptist when he was beheaded by Herod?

Where was God?
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Have you consider John the Baptist when he was beheaded by Herod?

Where was God?
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cant answer your question. But have you thought of this. If you ask this question, people dying from cancer will ask where was God, people got into car accident will ask where was God, people who drown will ask where was God, people who die will ask where was God. no?

Men will face earthly death in any circumstances, so i don't see death on earth as a problem. I see death as a sure thing once your purpose on earth is done and is time to go back home. But the way of dying, i dunno who is in control.
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Thou shalt not kill.
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:36 AM)
cant answer your question. But have you thought of this. If you ask this question, people dying from cancer will ask where was God, people got into car accident will ask where was God, people who drown will ask where was God, people who die will ask where was God. no?

Men will face earthly death in any circumstances, so i don't see death on earth as a problem. I see death as a sure thing once your purpose on earth is done and is time to go back home. But the way of dying, i dunno who is in control.
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That just show that man was created with a spirit to contact and contain God smile.gif

Only when man is reduced to such a state when he has no way out, then he consider God. What a pride or arrogance we have tongue.gif
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People on earth will continue to see death on earth until Jesus brings judgement to the world.

You might ask where is God. God is always in control, he would not let things happen unless he allow it to.

This world is plagued with sin which is why it will always die until God return to give us the new heaven and earth.

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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:36 AM)
cant answer your question. But have you thought of this. If you ask this question, people dying from cancer will ask where was God, people got into car accident will ask where was God, people who drown will ask where was God, people who die will ask where was God. no?

Men will face earthly death in any circumstances, so i don't see death on earth as a problem. I see death as a sure thing once your purpose on earth is done and is time to go back home. But the way of dying, i dunno who is in control.
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John the Baptist was chosen by God to make the way known for Jesus.

yet he was beheaded by Herod, dying in a death fashion undeserved.

Saint Stephen a man full of God's grace and power, did great
wonders and miraculous signs among the people but died by being stoned to death.

These are a couple of saints who died in a way least unexpected.

Saints of God are expected to be protected from harm, yet they died in horrific death.

Does it mean, God wasn't there?

No the answer is, it is time for them to go home to be with the Lord.

Heaven is a much better place than here anytime.

So thus answer the question for the killing of Connecticut children.
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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Dec 18 2012, 10:49 AM)
People on earth will continue to see death on earth until Jesus brings judgement to the world.

You might ask where is God. God is always in control, he would not let things happen unless he allow it to.

This world is plagued with sin which is why it will always die until God return to give us the new heaven and earth.
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unless you open the door for the devil to influence you. i doubt God is in control when that happens. Satan is the king of the world no?
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:56 AM)
unless you open the door for the devil to influence you. i doubt God is in control when that happens. Satan is the king of the world no?
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God is always in control. smile.gif
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:37 AM)
Thou shalt not kill.
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Yes No one should kill, but even when one go against the command of God not to kill, God can still use that situation for Good. (Romans 5:20)

In the murder of Connecticut, I believe the Lord brought home all those children to God's heaven. That is the good part.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 18 2012, 10:59 AM)
God is always in control.  smile.gif
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God is always in control, but how we sin, God have no control on that right? God have control on the whole situation, but not everything we do. If not we wont sin d wat. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 18 2012, 11:19 AM)
God is always in control, but how we sin, God have no control on that right? God have control on the whole situation, but not everything we do. If not we wont sin d wat. tongue.gif
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God has given ALL believers of Christ the grace and power not to sin continually.

Your responsibility is to find out as much as possible what do you have in Christ.

God is in the control in the sense that He has setup all the things we need to live victoriously.

Everything is already provided for.

Our job is to reach out for it.

I don't think anyone has the right to blame God for their own ignorance.


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God has given ALL believers of Christ the grace and power not to sin continually.

Your responsibility is to find out as much as possible what do you have in Christ.

God is in the control in the sense that He has setup all the things we need to live victoriously.

Everything is already provided for.

Our job is to reach out for it.

I don't think anyone has the right to blame God for their own ignorance.
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I don't think anyone has the right to blame God for their own ignorance.

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 18 2012, 11:54 AM)
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And by grace, God will answer to anyone who ask him. smile.gif

common problem could be, no confident in asking, or feel unworthy to come to God.

But God says, COME BOLDLY! (Hebrews 4:16)

because the blood of Jesus has qualify everyone.


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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 18 2012, 10:46 AM)
That just show that man was created with a spirit to contact and contain God smile.gif

Only when man is reduced to such a state when he has no way out, then he consider God. What a pride or arrogance we have tongue.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 18 2012, 12:18 PM)
And by grace, God will answer to anyone who ask him.  smile.gif

common problem could be, no confident in asking, or feel unworthy to come to God.

But God says, COME BOLDLY! (Hebrews 4:16)

because the blood of Jesus has qualify everyone.
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8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
9 But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?”4
10 And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.”
11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”
12 The man said, d“The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, e“The serpent deceived me, and I ate.

Sometime they just feel guilty to come to God.
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After the fall, the conscience became activated and they start to feel condemned within ...
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 18 2012, 02:46 PM)
Sometime they just feel guilty to come to God.
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God will not reject those who come as they are.

It's usually due to condemnation preaching that makes people afraid to come to God.

God says condemnation preaching is a thing of the past.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 18 2012, 11:33 AM)
God has given ALL believers of Christ the grace and power not to sin continually.

Your responsibility is to find out as much as possible what do you have in Christ.

God is in the control in the sense that He has setup all the things we need to live victoriously.

Everything is already provided for.

Our job is to reach out for it.

I don't think anyone has the right to blame God for their own ignorance.
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well said!


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Now I would now present a good sharing:

The problem of evil

It is not logically contradictory to say an all-powerful and all-loving God tolerates so much evil when he could eradicate it?

Why do bad things happen to good people?

The question makes three questionable assumptions.

First, who's to say we are good people?

The question should be not "Why do bad things happen to good people?" but "Why do good things happen to bad people?"

If the fairy godmother tells Cinderella that she can wear her magic gown until midnight, the question should be not "Why not after midnight?" but "Why did I get to wear it at all?"

The question is not why the glass of water is half empty but why it is half full, for all goodness is gift.

The best people are the ones who are most reluctant to call themselves good people.

Sinners think they are saints, but saints know they are sinners.

The best man who ever lived once said,
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"No one is good but God alone."


Second, who's to say suffering is all bad?

Life without it would produce spoiled brats and tyrants, not joyful saints.

Rabbi Abraham Heschel says simply, "The man who has not suffered, what can he possibly know, anyway?"

Suffering can work for the greater good of wisdom. It is not true that all things are good, but it is true that "all things work together for good to those who love God."


Third, who's to say we have to know all God's reasons? Who ever promised us all the answers?

Animals can't understand much about us; why should we be able to understand everything about God?

The obvious point of the Book of Job, the world's greatest exploration of the problem of evil, is that we just don't know what God is up to.

What a hard lesson to learn: Lesson One, that we are ignorant, that we are infants!

No wonder Socrates was declared by the Delphic Oracle to be the wisest man in the world. He interpreted that declaration to mean that he alone knew that he did not have wisdom, and that was true wisdom for man.

A child on the tenth story of a burning building cannot see the firefighters with their safety net on the street. They call up, "Jump! We'll catch you. Trust us." The child objects, "But I can't see you." The firefighter replies, "That's all right. I can see you. We are like that child, evil is like the fire, our ignorance is like the smoke, God is like the firefighter, and Christ is like the safety net. If there are situations like this where we must trust even fallible human beings with our lives, where we must trust what we hear, not what we see, then it is reasonable that we must trust the infallible, all-seeing God when we hear from his word but do not see from our reason or experience. We cannot know all God's reasons, but we can know why we cannot know.




Truth be told:
God has let us know a lot. He has lifted the curtain on the problem of evil with Christ.

There, the greatest evil that ever happened, both the greatest spiritual evil and the greatest physical evil, both the greatest sin (deicide) and the greatest suffering (perfect love hated and crucified), is revealed as his wise and loving plan to bring about the greatest good, the salvation of the world from sin and suffering eternally.

There, the greatest injustice of all time is integrated into the plan of salvation that Saint Paul calls "the righteousness (justice) of God".

Love finds a way. Love is very tricky. But love needs to be trusted.


The worst aspect of the problem of evil is eternal evil, hell.

Does hell not contradict a loving and omnipotent God? No, for hell is the consequence of free will. We freely choose hell for ourselves; God does not cast anyone into hell against his will.

If a creature is really free to say yes or no to the Creator's offer of love and spiritual marriage, then it must be possible for the creature to say no. And that is what hell is, essentially.

Free will, in turn, was created out of God's love. Therefore hell is a result of God's love. Everything is.

No sane person wants hell to exist. No sane person wants evil to exist. But hell is just evil eternalized.

If there is evil and if there is eternity, there can be hell.

If it is intellectually dishonest to disbelieve in evil just because it is shocking and uncomfortable, it is the same with hell. Reality has hard corners, surprises, and terrible dangers in it.

We desperately need a true road map, not nice feelings, if we are to get home. It is true, as people often say, that "hell just feels unreal, impossible." Yes. So does Auschwitz (Nazi Concentration Camp). So does Calvary.

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In the end, God will use everything from our friends, boss, family, husband, wife, environment, sufferings etc just to gain you to be a matured son of God in the divine life. Everything is in the Father's hand.

Jacob was like that. Paul was too. And many more in front of us.

It is evident that Job and his friends did not see the positive aspect of God's economy in dealing with His holy people. That is, God wants to strip, not to judge, His holy ones that He might gain them so that they might gain Him more.

Job's friends thought that what he was suffering was a matter of God's judgment. However, Job's sufferings were not God's judgment but God's stripping. The Sabeans took away Job's oxen and donkeys, the "fire of God" devoured his sheep, the Chaldeans took his camels, and a great wind caused the death of his sons and daughters (Job 1:13-19). All these things were God's stripping, but Job and his friends regarded them as God's judgment. Throughout the centuries, many readers of the book of Job have had the same concept, thinking that Job suffered because of God's judgment.

Have you ever had the thought that quite often God does something to strip you? Even though you may not be wrong, suddenly certain things happen to you, and God uses these things to strip you. It is through His stripping that God dispenses Himself to those who love Him and seek after Him. Job lost all that he had, but ultimately he gained God Himself. God stripped his all in order that He could be his all for his full transformation and conformation to the glorious image of God in His Son (Rom. 8:29). Job and his friends did not have the adequate revelation of the divine truths. As godly men, they expressed their sentiments within the limits of the revelation they had received.
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Prayer works. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Josh_M @ Dec 19 2012, 10:07 AM)
I want go Mt. Olive. laugh.gif
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I want go Mt. Olive.  laugh.gif
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yeap, we've been praying for this to be made open.

Praise God for his answer. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 19 2012, 11:43 AM)
yeap, we've been praying for this to be made open.

Praise God for his answer. biggrin.gif
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Path with Lords together, the world no longer store in a box of boundaries. rclxms.gif
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Path with Lords together, the world no longer store in a box of boundaries.  rclxms.gif
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Our God owns the whole Universe, drake.

He can open up a whole new world for us, if we pray.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 19 2012, 05:56 PM)
Our God owns the whole Universe, drake.

He can open up a whole new world for us, if we pray.
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my bad, I did not try to pray beyond the universe before. My faith is still in this world, not beyond the universe. Its my problem.. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 19 2012, 06:00 PM)
my bad, I did not try to pray beyond the universe before. My faith is still in this world, not beyond the universe. Its my problem..  unsure.gif
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lol, no drake,

wat I meant is....... doh.gif nvm.


u trolling me ar? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 18 2012, 05:43 PM)

Sinners think they are saints, but saints know they are sinners.

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I like the sound of it. biggrin.gif

But perhaps a more suited word would be the meek know they are sinners.
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Dear Christians,

Could any of you interpret the meaning of this song. Is it offensive or just meaningless?

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QUOTE(bluecar @ Dec 19 2012, 10:28 PM)
Dear Christians,

Could any of you interpret the meaning of this song. Is it offensive or just meaningless?

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Is it important to you?


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I guess it is. Been listening to it for a few years only recently listened to the words.
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QUOTE(bluecar @ Dec 19 2012, 10:42 PM)
I guess it is. Been listening to it for a few years only recently listened to the words.
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u a Christian bro?
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Hi guys, advance merry christmas to all of you and God bless you!!
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 19 2012, 12:43 PM)
yeap, we've been praying for this to be made open.

Praise God for his answer. biggrin.gif
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if my believer are buddhist and i also believe on jesus without pray jesus only pay my respect to jesus only
did i done something wrong?
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well, Jesus did mention the world will always be at odd with God and it's quite true.

The problem is that we have not known what is exactly God's way. What is safe and what is damaging to our soul, What benefits us.

So Jesus come straight to the point by saying, Do not love the world or anything in the world.

It is not only a warning but a deterrent so that we don't put ourselves in danger of giving Satan a foothold.

Because there are many things in this world that is Anti-God.

You probably already know Queen is very much part of this world.

But really up to you. You may not like what you're seeing but if you're willing to listen, it'll be good to take heed to what Jesus says.


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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Dec 19 2012, 10:48 PM)
Hi guys, advance merry christmas to all of you and God bless you!!
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 19 2012, 10:50 PM)
if my believer are buddhist and i also believe on jesus without pray jesus only pay my respect to jesus only
did i done something wrong?
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Well, Jesus wants you to come into his Kingdom. And He is willing to wait for you. That I'm very sure.

We are all sinners in God's eye. I was also ex Buddhist, but I find there is so much more hope and the reality of miracle by believing in Jesus.

Ever since then, I've never gone back by God's grace.



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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 19 2012, 07:08 PM)
lol, no drake,

wat I meant is....... doh.gif  nvm.
u trolling me ar? laugh.gif
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good catch bro, not in purpose. sometimes, we need some fun part while learning. hehe
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good catch bro, not in purpose. sometimes, we need some fun part while learning. hehe
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 19 2012, 11:12 PM)
Well, Jesus wants you to come into his Kingdom. And He is willing to wait for you. That I'm very sure.

We are all sinners in God's eye. I was also ex Buddhist, but I find there is so much more hope and the reality of miracle by believing in Jesus.

Ever since then, I've never gone back by God's grace.
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amazing, mind sharing your testimony sometime perhaps?

Love from God is Free, Faithful, Total and Fruitful.

Per meist_musical, it is always your own decision, your free will. God can only open the door and invite you, whether to enter the first step it depends on you. In fact I am very sure if you pray now for something and eventually it is answered, and in the end you still choose to believe in Buddhism, God will not hate or lament over it.

Since its free, why not try it?

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 20 2012, 01:05 AM)
amazing, mind sharing your testimony sometime perhaps?

Love from God is Free, Faithful, Total and Fruitful.

Per meist_musical, it is always your own decision, your free will. God can only open the door and invite you, whether to enter the first step it depends on you. In fact I am very sure if you pray now for something and eventually it is answered, and in the end you still choose to believe in Buddhism, God will not hate or lament over it.

Since its free, why not try it?

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Well another day then, got to wake up early. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



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The World Never End at 21/12/2012 Promotion.

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another dark morning today.. looks like gona rain soon  tongue.gif

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i like ur pictures!! biggrin.gif hahaha! might try it out soon. smile.gif not too soon tho. tongue.gif

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i like ur pictures!! biggrin.gif hahaha! might try it out soon. smile.gif not too soon tho. tongue.gif
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Would like to share and ask how you guys look at this?  biggrin.gif
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Proverbs 9?

The book of Proverbs is a particular book among the books of the Bible. It has a particular character; that is, it presents to us the words of wisdom by many ancient wise men, which is unanimously considered good by all the people who read it. But whether it is really good or not depends upon what kind of reader you are.

If you are an ethical person with a strong mind and have a desire to be perfect as a genuine moral person, surely this book would help you to make a success in your pursuit of perfection. But it helps you to cultivate yourself, that is, to cultivate the human "bright virtue" created for man by God according to His attributes, that is, according to what He is. However, it does not help you to be a person who lives in his spirit according to the Spirit of God who dwells in you for the accomplishment of God's eternal economy, that is, to produce and build up the Body of Christ which consummates the New Jerusalem as God's heart's desire and ultimate goal. In the Old Testament Job was exactly such a person. He was satisfied with his integrity, with his pursuit of human perfection. But that was not what God wanted of him; rather it replaced what God wanted of him and then it became an enemy of God frustrating him, a man created by God to fulfill God's purpose. God's purpose in creating man is to have man be filled with Him to be His expression, not an expression of human perfection. So the success of Job in human perfection was torn down by God. In this tearing down by God, God tore down Job also. Job was perplexed, not knowing what to do. Then God came in to reveal Himself to Job, indicating that He Himself is what Job should pursue, gain, and express. Then Job had a big turn from pursuing human perfection to pursue God Himself.

If you are a person who is a law-keeper, surely you will appreciate all the proverbs in this book as words of wise men, thinking that they could help you to be a good or even better law-keeper. If so, you just make all the proverbs many, many laws and fall into the snare of keeping the law as many Jews do, who do not know God's purpose in the dispensation of His law, that is, to expose fallen man's weakness.

If you are a person who loves the Lord and pursues Christ, not self-perfection, and who loves the Lord's word in the entire Bible and reads it with a praying spirit, not for the seeking of the doctrine of letters but for seeking the Spirit and word of life, not to get any help for self-cultivation but for the nourishment of your spirit that you may live a Christian life which is perfect not in human virtues but in the divine virtues which are the expressions of the divine attributes, then this book will render you nuggets and gems to strengthen your life of pursuing Christ for the fulfillment of God's economy in producing and building up the Body of Christ.

Furthermore, God does not want us just to seek the knowledge, doctrine, truth, theology, and so-called revelation in letters. God wants us to seek after Him that we may gain Him and that He may fill us up with Himself for His expression. He is the Spirit and we worship Him and contact Him in our spirit. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. The word spoken to us by the Lord should become the Spirit and the life to us (John 6:63). If we study the Bible by the way of letters, not by the way of the Spirit and of life, we make the Bible, regardless of what part, a book of letters. Most Christians today have made the New Testament of the Spirit and of life the Old Testament of letters. To Paul the apostle even the Old Testament was like the New Testament, of the Spirit and of life. Too many Christians have made the New Testament proverbs, precepts, exhortations, and instructions of letters. By this we have to realize that what the book of Proverbs would be to us depends upon what kind of persons we are and by what way we take it.
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hello?


Added on December 20, 2012, 3:47 pmcan anyone help me? i would like to gave a bible as christmas present :-

Contemporary English Version (CEV) Youth Bible Global Edition (Paperback)

where i can buy the bible? icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(miromiro @ Dec 20 2012, 03:45 PM)
hello?


Added on December 20, 2012, 3:47 pmcan anyone help me? i would like to gave a bible as christmas present :-

Contemporary English Version (CEV) Youth Bible Global Edition (Paperback)

where i can buy the bible? icon_question.gif
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Have u tried Salvation, Glads Sound, Cannanland?

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 20 2012, 03:36 PM)
Proverbs 9?
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wow, pehkay.. did u actually write all these? its hard for me to read wall of text with my poor english knowledge, anyhow due to respect. .i did read all n tried to understand it.

i capture some part u saying that difference books mean read by different type of ppl.. and bible are mean not just to read but to putting it in motion.

very well said be frank, can u share some real experience of u that how u makes bible words to put it in motion in ur life? i wants to learn more from sharing examples.

thank you for taking time patiently reading my replies, sry if got typo.. coz i was replying with my phone.. the single finger technology.. haha


Added on December 21, 2012, 10:25 amGood day to all brother & sister! my 1st 21/12/2012 morning greets to all! biggrin.gif

I got a small true story to share..
yesterday night, I hate hiccups continuously non-stop.. I used the ancient ways to cure it like below

1. find a comfortable place to sit without ppl disturbing u
2. slow take breath in from nose until full *try to take in as much as u can hold.
3. hold ur breath as long as u can
4. slowly release it thru mouth, real slowly.. * try to control it reeal slowly.

usually when i do the above steps, it will stop the hiccups but not yesterday.. i try a lot times also can't make it. I started to hear voices "son, its late.. its time to go home and rest".. it was ard 1:30 am at night at my friend house watching "farscape" biggrin.gif

then i do my very last time "steps 1 - 4 to stop the hiccups" while praying to father saying that i wants to heal my hiccups and go home sleep now. after i slowly breath out... i only have chance to have my "one small" last little hiccups.. then no more.. totally end my hiccups until now.

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Feeling Condemn?

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Romans 5:16 (NLT)
And the result of God's gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man's sin. For Adam's sin led to condemnation, but God's free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins.


God free us from condemnation. The Devil wants to bind us under condemnation. The role and heart of God has been switch to a covenant of unconditional grace ever since the cross.

From time to time, we may have carelessly do something that deserve condemnation. But God's word assures us.

In

Romans 8:1 (NLT)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

Romans 8:34 (NLT)
Who then will condemn us? No one--for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God's right hand, pleading for us.

God literally means it.

So I encourage you dear friends, since God has liberated us from the Old Law of the Testament (Romans 8:2 ), be bold to move forward to live for God.
Do not worry about trying to change yourself to be a better person. Because when you try to carry the burden of Salvation upon yourself, you will inevitably feel self condemn when you fail at a point in time. There's a sister in my Church who always feel self condemn whenever she fail because she assumes the responsibility of repentance and change depends entirely on her effort.

The assurance of our Salvation is a rest. If by what you do causes constant worry, fear, insecurity, it's not the gospel.

God told me to Look away from self and Look to God.

What does the Bible say about this responsibility? Who Carries it?

Philippians 1:6 says
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1:8 says
He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If the Bible says It is Jesus who will keep us and carry us until the day of his coming, why do we still feel condemn when we fail?

I'll tell you why. It's because the devil wants you to feel condemn. He always want you to look at yourself. Why? So that you will fail and he can kill, steal and destroy you.

So instead of looking to yourself as an assurance, look to the truth of God's word and the ONE who carry us. The truth will set you free.

Amen?


Be blessed and God blessed.

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Have u tried Salvation, Glads Sound, Cannanland?
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had try ask glads sound, cannanland online i saw it out of stock, salvation can't search yawn.gif icon_question.gif


Added on December 21, 2012, 3:28 pm
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 20 2012, 04:04 PM)
Have u tried Salvation, Glads Sound, Cannanland?
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had try ask glads sound, cannanland online i saw it out of stock, salvation can't search yawn.gif icon_question.gif

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Have u tried Salvation, Glads Sound, Cannanland?
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had try ask glads sound, cannanland online i saw it out of stock, salvation can't search yawn.gif icon_question.gif
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bought a small bible, never been to church before
Wanted to try believing in god but doesnt knows where and how to start..afraid of doin it alone without friends. Any help?

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QUOTE(WhiteBlackKey @ Dec 21 2012, 06:56 PM)
is a free thinker..stays in PJ, bought a small bible, never been to church before
Wanted to try believing in god but doesnt knows where and how to start..afraid of doin it alone without friends. Any help?
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what made you buy a bible? biggrin.gif
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had try ask glads sound, cannanland online i saw it out of stock, salvation can't search yawn.gif icon_question.gif
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Salvation, just go to SS2 branch.

Inside Lutheran Church near the Tun Hussein Onn Eye specialist centre got Glads Sound, quite big, I think 3rd floor.
It's along the road heading to Hilton Hotel in PJ.

There should have.
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QUOTE(instantgeneve @ Dec 21 2012, 08:35 PM)
Probably God's call. Amen (:
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Nothing just happens.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 21 2012, 08:39 PM)
Very much.  smile.gif

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HIS Love for us is beyond comprehension n is nurtured everyday within n amongst us.
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QUOTE(instantgeneve @ Dec 21 2012, 08:54 PM)
Yes i agree wit you (:
HIS Love for us is beyond comprehension n is nurtured everyday within n amongst us.
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you know, one the reason why a lot of teenagers, kids, people get cranky and stressed out is because they hardly have encounter with Love.

A lot of people think they can find love with GF, BF, husband or wife. The truth is, it's not.

Until they found out it can get really disappointed and painful when dumped or have differences.

So unloved people exhibit unloved to others. Loved people, exhibit love to others.

There is one in Heaven who loves us passionately.

John 3:16 says For God so love the world, that He gave his one and only son.....

The little word there so, shows intensity.

God so love you.

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tomorrow which church can go confession? prefer rc around kl
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Feeling Condemn?

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Romans 5:16 (NLT)
And the result of God's gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man's sin. For Adam's sin led to condemnation, but God's free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins.


God free us from condemnation. The Devil wants to bind us under condemnation. The role and heart of God has been switch to a covenant of unconditional grace ever since the cross.

From time to time, we may have carelessly do something that deserve condemnation. But God's word assures us.

In

Romans 8:1 (NLT)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

Romans 8:34 (NLT)
Who then will condemn us? No one--for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God's right hand, pleading for us.

God literally means it.

So I encourage you dear friends, since God has liberated us from the Old Law of the Testament (Romans 8:2 ), be bold to move forward to live for God.
Do not worry about trying to change yourself to be a better person. Because when you try to carry the burden of Salvation upon yourself, you will inevitably feel self condemn when you fail at a point in time. There's a sister in my Church who always feel self condemn whenever she fail because she assumes the responsibility of repentance and change depends entirely on her effort.

The assurance of our Salvation is a rest. If by what you do causes constant worry, fear, insecurity, it's not the gospel.

God told me to Look away from self and Look to God.

What does the Bible say about this responsibility? Who Carries it?

Philippians 1:6 says
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1:8 says
He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If the Bible says It is Jesus who will keep us and carry us until the day of his coming, why do we still feel condemn when we fail?

I'll tell you why. It's because the devil wants you to feel condemn. He always want you to look at yourself. Why? So that you will fail and he can kill, steal and destroy you.

So instead of looking to yourself as an assurance, look to the truth of God's word and the ONE who carry us. The truth will set you free.

Amen?


Be blessed and God blessed.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 21 2012, 09:36 PM)
you know, one the reason why a lot of teenagers, kids, people get cranky and stressed out is because they hardly have encounter with Love.

A lot of people think they can find love with GF, BF, husband or wife. The truth is, it's not.

Until they found out it can get really disappointed and painful when dumped or have differences.

So unloved people exhibit unloved to others. Loved people, exhibit love to others.

There is one in Heaven who loves us passionately.

John 3:16 says For God so love the world, that He gave his one and only son.....

The little word there so, shows intensity.

God so love you.
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I concur.

God has placed in our hearts a longing to seek and find him.
“You have made us for yourself, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.” (St Augustine)
We call this longing for God – Religion.

It is natural for man to seek God. All of our striving for truth and happiness is ultimately a search for the one who supports us absolutely, satisfy us absolutely, and employs us absolutely in His service.

A person is not completely himself until he has found God.

and striving for GF BF might end you alot of hurt, even though the truth is, love hurts, but when it is for selfish purposes, it REALLY hurts, and not worth the hurt.
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QUOTE(silkysilk @ Dec 21 2012, 10:08 PM)
tomorrow which  church can go confession? prefer rc around kl
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any RC church priest can do confession anytime, it doesnt have to be in a confessional booth (but that is a formal way)

Rest assured no preference. Priest takes up role as Persona Christi for Confession - which means you confess to God. smile.gif

Peace be with you.
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QUOTE(WhiteBlackKey @ Dec 21 2012, 06:56 PM)
is a free thinker..stays in PJ, bought a small bible, never been to church before
Wanted to try believing in god but doesnt knows where and how to start..afraid of doin it alone without friends. Any help?
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good day whiteblackkey biggrin.gif

don't b afraid, we all brother m sister here will help u.. u need to go church on sunday will b the best to starts.

if u got question, all u need to do is simple.. just "ask"


Added on December 22, 2012, 12:47 amanyone of u here celebrate xmas eve in church near puchong/pj area? i would likes to join..

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Count down to Christmas 3 more days.
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 22 2012, 12:43 AM)
good day whiteblackkey biggrin.gif

don't b afraid, we all brother m sister here will help u.. u need to go church on sunday will b the best to starts.

if u got question, all u need to do is simple.. just "ask"


Added on December 22, 2012, 12:47 amanyone of u here celebrate xmas eve in church near puchong/pj area? i would likes to join..
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I check all the big happening Church like DUMC, FGA and Glads Tiding PJ,

all don't have Christmas Eve event.


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how's preparation for christmas people?
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I check all the big happening Church like DUMC, FGA and Glads Tiding PJ,

all don't have Christmas Eve event.
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oh, where u going for this xmas eve?
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how's preparation for christmas people?
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Everything under control in God's hand.

We pray and worry not. biggrin.gif

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Dunno yet, maybe might hang out with Wesley Methodist Church friends.
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Dunno yet, maybe might hang out with Wesley Methodist Church friends.
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icic.. ok ok.. merry xmas biggrin.gif
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lets uphold the spirit of spreading the good news of Christmas whenever we can.

The Birth of Jesus Christ.
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Will the real Christmas please stand up?

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Luke 2:11 (NIV)
For to you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.


I've always contemplated that Christmas is the very last type of celebration of all the celebrations on Earth.
It's as if God is positioning that of all the type of celebration, Christmas is the end message of all.

Although it's not the exact date of the Birth of Jesus Christ but Christians around the world have taken this day to commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ.

For us, the exact date is not important but What's important is the message.

The reason why Christmas is celebrated is Jesus Christ. He is the sole reason of Christmas.
It's not about the presents. It's not about Jingle Bells. It's not about the Christmas turkey.

It's about Jesus Christ.

The person of Jesus Christ has come to Earth and He is not a fiction nor a myth nor a legend for there are many types of historians who recorded in their writing about Jesus Christ. One of the compelling evidence for Jesus Christ are the none Christian source historians.

If indeed the Pagan, Greek, Jewish, Romans historians have all recorded the person of Jesus Christ, there is absolutely no reason to doubt that He did exist and did walk on Earth.

Perhaps that is the least of concern that He exist but the real question to ask is why did He come? What's the reason?

Jesus spoke one compelling message for the reason of his birth. I believe its the Christmas message.

He said.

"I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly." We would never understand this message until we see Jesus dying on the cross to represent us for all our sins committed.

And He did. He imparted life unto all who are willing to receive. Many lives have been transform. Those who never have hope in their life now, have every reason for hope. Those who's life was a messed, has been restored. Those who are afflicted with terminal illness, have been healed. Those who are stricken with misfortune at every turn, now protected by his divine grace.

Many Testimonies and undeniable encounter with the grace God are the living proof that Jesus is real. Because a dead people cannot give hope.
Anyone who succumb to death is inferior to death.

The Bible recorded Jesus rose from the dead. And that is the reason why we have hope.

I pray this Christmas, that some of you who are reading this message may find the courage to discover who this Jesus is.

Because He promise Eternal Life as well as an abundant Life here on Earth as it will be in Heaven to all who are willing to believe.

If there's anything that compels you to ask, you can PM me, or asked right away in this thread.

I pray that your heart is open to the real Christmas that came to give you Life in this life and forever more.

God Bless.









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This song is Awesome! thumbup.gif

Very Hip Hop and in touch with today's genre.


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My friend believe in God
But neither believe Jesus or reading bible
He just don't believe Jesus is son of God
He don't believe bible but believe in Quran
He just tell me. How can it be two god?
Jesus and God? He told me. Jesus just a prophet.


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QUOTE(glamour @ Dec 24 2012, 11:51 AM)
My friend believe in God
But neither believe Jesus or reading bible
He just don't believe Jesus is son of God
He don't believe bible but believe in Quran
He just tell me. How can it be two god?
Jesus and God? He told me. Jesus just a prophet.
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jesus is a son of god , this answer
he not a god but a son of god and go on earth saving people

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QUOTE(glamour @ Dec 24 2012, 10:51 AM)
My friend believe in God
But neither believe Jesus or reading bible
He just don't believe Jesus is son of God
He don't believe bible but believe in Quran
He just tell me. How can it be two god?
Jesus and God? He told me. Jesus just a prophet.
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ha, that's because no one can unless you pray for them to be open.

It's not only that, but also by the testimony of your life.

So not only you should pray for them but also be careful in how you live.

God call us to be the light and salt of this world so that we shine in representative of Him.


the scripture says in

2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV)
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

The god of this age here refers to satan.

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 24 2012, 10:56 AM)
nod.gif  same as mine
jesus hear a voice from light, the light are god and jesus are prophet

jesus status are similiar like buddha(Siddhattha Gotama)

edit for me if i wrong
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I heard that so many times from my circle of Buddhist acquaintances but it's not true.

If Jesus is merely a prophet, he would have said so.

But He have not reveal Himself as just a prophet.

In Fact He have said very clearly in


John 10:30 (NIV)
I and the Father are one.


Meaning He is God.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 12:11 PM)
I heard that so many times from my circle of Buddhist acquaintances but it's not true.

If Jesus is merely a prophet, he would have said so.

But He have not reveal Himself as just a prophet.

In Fact He have said very clearly in
John 10:30 (NIV)
I and the Father are one. 
Meaning He is God.
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i edit my answer already rolleyes.gif

Siddhattha Gotama is a india god and his go earth to see the world. after that his create his buddha


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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 24 2012, 11:16 AM)
i edit my answer already rolleyes.gif

Siddhattha Gotama is a india god and his go earth to see the world. after that his create his buddha
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you are a christian? hmm.gif

anyway, gods are a belief. there is no right or wrong. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 11:11 AM)
I heard that so many times from my circle of Buddhist acquaintances but it's not true.

If Jesus is merely a prophet, he would have said so.

But He have not reveal Himself as just a prophet.

In Fact He have said very clearly in
John 10:30 (NIV)
I and the Father are one. 
Meaning He is God.
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this is what exactly i told him
but he said....how u know? they bible might be edited by people...maybe someone write it...
i was rclxub.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 24 2012, 11:16 AM)
i edit my answer already rolleyes.gif

Siddhattha Gotama is a india god and his go earth to see the world. after that his create his buddha
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No he's not an Indian god.

He was a prince but none the less very much a Man.

He renounces Hinduism, his birthright religion because he cannot accept the suffering and injustice of the Hindu caste system.

He went out of his palace life and saw suffering.

From there He search for a way out and discover the 4 noble truths and the Noble Eightfold Path.

And ultimately Nirvana, a state that's free from suffering and free from all forms of desires.

I've read somewhere that desires is a source that can lead to attachment and attachment to suffering.
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QUOTE(glamour @ Dec 24 2012, 11:26 AM)
this is what exactly i told him
but he said....how u know? they bible might be edited by people...maybe someone write it...
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The Bible is translated into many languages to reach out to all Nations.

As such they claimed there's no certainty as there could be editing of text to suit whatever agenda.

And a lot of critics like to quote Barth ehrman.

I always answer this.

Look at the text that you think it's mistranslated or edited on purpose, what does it say?

I can tell you many do not know what is really edited anyway.

They'll feign ignorance with the hope that you know and is able to provide some answers when the fact of the matter is, they also do not know.

But when you played into their game of arguments that you don't know, they'll say, there goes your religion. It's not true.

But seriously, to summ this up.

Really, look at the passage that is edited, does it make any difference?

Answer is, it does not. Because no matter what different words you put there, the main message remains the same.
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QUOTE(mooney @ Dec 24 2012, 12:17 PM)
you are a christian? hmm.gif

anyway, gods are a belief. there is no right or wrong. hmm.gif
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i taoism and buddhist
well i believe all the religon are exist

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 12:27 PM)
No he's not an Indian god.

He was a prince but none the less very much a Man.

He renounces Hinduism, his birthright religion because he cannot accept the suffering and injustice of the Hindu caste system.

He went out of his palace life and saw suffering.

From there He search for a way out and discover the 4 noble truths and the Noble Eightfold Path.

And ultimately Nirvana, a state that's free from suffering and free from all forms of desires.

I've read somewhere that desires is a source that can lead to attachment and attachment to suffering.
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a stories about him are unknown, his a india god actually and then send to earth an become a human without any knowledge. So basically mean a normal human only. stories continue like u say.
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Will the real Christmas please stand up?
I've always contemplated that Christmas is the very last type of celebration of all the celebrations on Earth.
It's as if God is positioning that of all the type of celebration, Christmas is the end message of all.

Although it's not the exact date of the Birth of Jesus Christ but Christians around the world have taken this day to commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ.

For us, the exact date is not important but What's important is the message.

The reason why Christmas is celebrated is Jesus Christ. He is the sole reason of Christmas.
It's not about the presents. It's not about Jingle Bells. It's not about the Christmas turkey.

It's about Jesus Christ.

The person of Jesus Christ has come to Earth and He is not a fiction nor a myth nor a legend for there are many types of historians who recorded in their writing about Jesus Christ. One of the compelling evidence for Jesus Christ are the none Christian source historians.

If indeed the Pagan, Greek, Jewish, Romans historians have all recorded the person of Jesus Christ, there is absolutely no reason to doubt that He did exist and did walk on Earth.

Perhaps that is the least of concern that He exist but the real question to ask is why did He come? What's the reason?

Jesus spoke one compelling message for the reason of his birth. I believe its the Christmas message.

He said.

"I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly." We would never understand this message until we see Jesus dying on the cross to represent us for all our sins committed.

And He did. He imparted life unto all who are willing to receive. Many lives have been transform. Those who never have hope in their life now, have every reason for hope. Those who's life was a messed, has been restored. Those who are afflicted  with terminal illness, have been healed. Those who are stricken with misfortune at every turn, now protected by his divine grace.

Many Testimonies and undeniable encounter with the grace God are the living proof that Jesus is real. Because a dead people cannot give hope.
Anyone who succumb to death is inferior to death.

The Bible recorded Jesus rose from the dead. And that is the reason why we have hope.

I pray this Christmas, that some of you who are reading this message may find the courage to discover who this Jesus is.

Because He promise Eternal Life as well as an abundant Life here on Earth as it will be in Heaven to all who are willing to believe.

If there's anything that compels you to ask, you can PM me, or asked right away in this thread.

I pray that your heart is open to the real Christmas that came to give you Life in this life and forever more.

God Bless.
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hmmmm then why suddenly have santa claus?
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Because of human tradition and culture.

It's not part of the Bible anyway.

As long as we don't replace the real meaning of Christmas with Santa Clause, then it's ok.

I mean we can have fun and joke about Santa with our friends or kids.

But when people think Christmas is about Santa Clause then we need to step in and correct.

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i taoism and buddhist
well i believe all the religon are exist
a stories about him are unknown, his a india god actually and then send to earth an become a human without any knowledge. So basically mean a normal human only. stories continue like u say.
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I've not seen any historical references to Gautama.

I mean like the writings of scholars or historians.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 02:31 PM)
Because of human tradition and culture.

It's not part of the Bible anyway.

As long as we don't replace the real meaning of Christmas with Santa Clause, then it's ok.

I mean we can have fun and joke about Santa with our friends or kids.

But when people think Christmas is about Santa Clause then we need to step in and correct.
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so basically mean christmas is part like CNY, deepavali, raya puasa?

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 02:33 PM)
I've not seen any historical references to Gautama.

I mean like the writings of scholars or historians.
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I've not seen any historical references to Gautama.

I mean like the writings of scholars or historians.
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in Passion of christ
is a evil try to convinced jesus to join evil?
i just watch it and a evil girl convinced jesus to join her so can release all the suffer his have.
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in Passion of christ
is a evil try to convinced jesus to join evil?
i just watch it and a evil girl convinced jesus to join her so can release all the suffer his have.
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That's the classic and famous Bible passage about Jesus being tempted by the devil for 40 days.

Yes the devil was trying to deceive Jesus by the very same method he deceive Adam and Eve, ie lies and deception.

In one of the temptation he said, if you bow before me, I will give you the world.

If you notice, although Jesus is God, He didn't summon lightning bolt or fire ball to attack the devil.

He spoke the words of God, that defeated the devil.

That same word of God is now in the Bible.

And All Christians can use it to defeat the devil's evil works.




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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 07:11 PM)
That's the classic and famous Bible passage about Jesus being tempted by the devil for 40 days.

Yes the devil was trying to deceive Jesus by the very same method he deceive Adam and Eve, ie lies and deception.

In one of the temptation he said, if you bow before me, I will give you the world.

If you notice, although Jesus is God, He didn't summon lightning bolt or fire ball to attack the devil.

He spoke the words of God, that defeated the devil.

That same word of God is now in the Bible.

And All Christians can use it to defeat the devil's evil works.
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then how about a bible on hotel?
i read it as a bible book for the ghost around in the hotel room. when the book are half page or open it got guest inside the room.
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then how about a bible on hotel?
i read it as a bible book for the ghost around in the hotel room. when the book are half page or open it got guest inside the room.
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lol or it could be God want you to read that page in the Bible.

Not everything is about demonic spirit.

Just fyi,

When you accept Jesus as your God, demonic spirits now have to be extra careful if they come to you.
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Let's together celebrate Jesus birthday ! smile.gif
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I believe all churches will tomorrow.


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You mean the passion of Christ? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 08:32 PM)
lol or it could be God want you to read that page in the Bible.

Not everything is about demonic spirit.

Just fyi,

When you accept Jesus as your God, demonic spirits now have to be extra careful if they come to you.
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dunno, well it real actually. forget it
demonic not scare jesus what else we only a normal human. you see during passion of the jesus, jesus just a normal people and his have emotion and surfer hell pain who tortured him. in the end his died, n resurrect again


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You mean the passion of Christ?  biggrin.gif
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Hey all, just wanna wish u guys Merry Christmas!

gotta get ready for church now.

Be safe n god bless u all!
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QUOTE(blinkxox @ Dec 24 2012, 09:05 PM)
Hey all, just wanna wish u guys Merry Christmas!

gotta get ready for church now.

Be safe n god bless u all!
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merry xmas
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dunno, well it real actually. forget it
demonic not scare jesus what else we only a normal human. you see during passion of the jesus, jesus just a normal people and his have emotion and surfer hell pain who tortured him. in the end his died, n resurrect again
should i post here  unsure.gif
JESUS? The Empty Cross -The hidden truth about the origin of the Jesus : titile

at 1st it wrote jesus are not write according in history then continue about jesus. after i no watch .
it 1hour plus document
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That's because the movie did not play out the entire 4 gospels.

Demons are afraid of Jesus.

There was a man possessed by many demonic spirits, by the name of legion. When Jesus came to the place where the demon possessed man was, they came and bow down in front of Jesus in fear and trembling (Mark 5:6). Because they know the son of God has come and they could not escape.

All demons trembles in fear of God. (James 2:19)

You must know the difference between that and this below.

When Jesus was tortured, He was allowed by God the Father to be punished by the Romans soldiers. That has to do with Salvation.

Demons could not touch Jesus if God the Father did not allowed it even when Jesus came as human. (John 19:11)


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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 24 2012, 08:04 PM)
JESUS? The Empty Cross -The hidden truth about the origin of the Jesus : titile

at 1st it wrote jesus are not write according in history then continue about jesus. after i no watch .
it 1hour plus document
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Ha, there's no such thing as a hidden truth.

Because many have attempt to discredit Jesus, like the Da Vinci Code and people like Richard Dawkins throughout the centuries but none of them could erase God.

You know why?

Because the Gospel works.

The promises of God's word in the Bible works.

It has been working for thousands of years.

It is not just mere talk or empty words but the very power of Heaven works in the life of Christians who understood the principals of God.

That is why more and more people are coming into God's kingdom.

Year by Year the numbers of believers are increasing.

Even at this stage I believe Christians are the largest population group.




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QUOTE(blinkxox @ Dec 24 2012, 08:05 PM)
Hey all, just wanna wish u guys Merry Christmas!

gotta get ready for church now.

Be safe n god bless u all!
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Merry Christmas. smile.gif
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Merry Christmas dawg. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 24 2012, 09:47 PM)
Ha, there's no such thing as a hidden truth.

Because many have attempt to discredit Jesus, like the Da Vinci Code and people like Richard Dawkins throughout the centuries but none of them could erase God.

You know why?

Because the Gospel works.

The promises of God's word in the Bible works.

It has been working for thousands of years.

It is not just mere talk or empty words but the very power of Heaven works in the life of Christians who understood the principals of God.

That is why more and more people are coming into God's kingdom.

Year by Year the numbers of believers are increasing.

Even at this stage I believe Christians are the largest population group.
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gospel is part of jesus??


merry xmas
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 24 2012, 10:22 PM)
gospel is part of jesus??
merry xmas
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Gospel is about Jesus.

Gospel means good news.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 25 2012, 12:19 AM)
Gospel is about Jesus.

Gospel means good news.
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Merry Christmas,

time to sleep.

Morning come, we go to church and sing


Joy to the World , the Lord is come!
Let earth receive her King;
Let every heart prepare Him room,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven, and Heaven, and nature sing.

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If you're seeing this,

Merry Christmas to you.

May the Lord bless you with another good year and good cheers.

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hmmmm then why suddenly have santa claus?
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Urmm, I can answer this question, to all.

Its time we Christians know who is Santa Claus, His actual name is Saint Nicholas,

Patron Saint of Children, coopers, sailors, fishermen, merchants, broadcasters, the falsely accused, repentant thieves, pharmacists, archers, pawnbrokers

or more famously known for his temper (he punched arians - for not believing in God the TRINITY - one in consubstantial with the Father, which Bro Unknown Warrior taught u about - that Christ is with the Father and they are One)

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why is he called Santa Claus now?

In short:

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If you would like a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas - He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him, and thus became the model for Santa Claus, whose modern name comes from the Dutch Sinterklaas, itself from a series of elisions and corruptions of the transliteration of "Saint Nikolaos". His reputation evolved among the faithful, as was common for early Christian saints
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We should bear in mind also that the Best thing about Christmas is not the presents but His PRESENCE smile.gif

Merry Christmas people!


*I appreciate every bro n sis write Christmas instead of Xmas, bec ur not practicing your Greek that is for sure, and the reason for the season is CHRISTmass - the best way of celebrating a christmas is by keeping Christ, and the best way to keep Christ in Christmas is by celebrating MASS (Sermon) in Church *


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merry christmas and may god bless you.
would love to join church but I have no support since i know no christian friends
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merry christmas and may god bless you.
would love to join church but I have no support since i know no christian friends
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merry christmas.

uhm, where u at?
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Merry Xmas all, I was wondering if there is any RC church around/nearby ampang
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Merry Xmas all, I was wondering if there is any RC church around/nearby ampang
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what is RC standing for? sry for my poor knowledge.. please enlight me.. i know there is 1 church inside ampang city. u may try to walk in and ask somewhere around 4th floor if i not mistaken.

*its 10am now, probably it had starts.

have a blessed x'mas biggrin.gif

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Merry Xmas all, I was wondering if there is any RC church around/nearby ampang
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St john Cathedral

http://stjohnkl.net/index.cfm?load=page&page=153

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QUOTE(blinkxox @ Dec 25 2012, 01:16 AM)
merry christmas.

uhm, where u at?
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hello mrry christmas.

i just woke up n missed christmas morning service lol. doh.gif cry.gif doh.gif

altho i live super far frm u but i can take u to one if u wanna - my church is opp kl tower
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If you're seeing this,

Merry Christmas to you.

May the Lord bless you with another good year and good cheers.
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Thanks! Just saw this biggrin.gif

Merry Christmas to you too.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 25 2012, 01:54 PM)
For your reading enlightenment....Many Blessings

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hello dear Bro!!!! Welcome back!!!! merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! thumbup.gif

and yes, His Birthday is on Dec 25th after calculations, there are also Youtube videos about it that I can share if anyone wants to know.

smile.gif thanks for the website!

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Christmas have gave us lights from Jesus. Let's shares the light together. Sadly sometimes
we just shade our self up and don't let the light to shine thru our life.

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1. everywhere I go, I see Christianity always being related to a caucasian. Why would you, as an Asian believe in a white man's religion?

2. why did God create so many races? causing so much chaos around the world.

3. did the bible ever mentioned about the various human races? american natives, australian aborogines, the polynesian people in the pacifica? and i highly doubt it made any references to the american, russian, and south east asian continent.
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QUOTE(edge85 @ Dec 25 2012, 07:22 PM)
1. everywhere I go, I see Christianity always being related to a caucasian. Why would you, as an Asian believe in a white man's religion?

2. why did God create so many races? causing so much chaos around the world.

3. did the bible ever mentioned about the various human races? american natives, australian aborogines, the polynesian people in the pacifica? and i highly doubt it made any references to the american, russian, and south east asian continent.
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good day edge,

1st of all, i would likes to wish u to have a blessed x'mas!

due to ur questions, i really likes to answer but it relates to debates which is violating lyn forum rules so i choose not to answer in this board unless u really wish to seek for ur answer... u may pm me.

our thread here is about sharing and caring between Christian brother hood.

cheers biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(edge85 @ Dec 25 2012, 07:22 PM)
1. everywhere I go, I see Christianity always being related to a caucasian. Why would you, as an Asian believe in a white man's religion?
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This a stupid question. Why are there also Caucasians in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, and other religions?

Why would you, a human being, be restrained from being a race, than doing what you want? Are you a race? Or a human being?

QUOTE(edge85 @ Dec 25 2012, 07:22 PM)
2. why did God create so many races? causing so much chaos around the world.
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Another stupid question. This is like asking, "Why are there so many problems in the world? Why can't life and the world exists without any problems? WHy cannot be a PERFECT world?

And without problems, there will be joy of overcoming those problems, and there will be no joy of victory.

QUOTE(edge85 @ Dec 25 2012, 07:22 PM)
3. did the bible ever mentioned about the various human races? american natives, australian aborogines, the polynesian people in the pacifica? and i highly doubt it made any references to the american, russian, and south east asian continent.
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Does this question even matter at all? Do you really think the religion is meant only for a specific race? Has the Bible written that it is only for the Jews?

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 25 2012, 09:41 PM)
This a stupid question. Why are there also Caucasians in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, and other religions?

Why would you, a human being, be restrained from being a race, than doing what you want? Are you a race? Or a human being?
Another stupid question. This is like asking, "Why are there so many problems in the world? Why can't life and the world exists without any problems? WHy cannot be a PERFECT world?

And without problems, there will be joy of overcoming those problems, and there will be no joy of victory.
Does this question even matter at all? Do you really think the religion is meant only for a specific race? Has the Bible written that it is only for the Jews?
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 25 2012, 01:55 AM)
Urmm, I can answer this question, to all.

Its time we Christians know who is Santa Claus, His actual name is Saint Nicholas,

Patron Saint of Children, coopers, sailors, fishermen, merchants, broadcasters, the falsely accused, repentant thieves, pharmacists, archers, pawnbrokers

or more famously known for his temper (he punched arians - for not believing in God the TRINITY - one in consubstantial with the Father, which Bro Unknown Warrior taught u about - that Christ is with the Father and they are One)

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why is he called Santa Claus now?

In short:

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If you would like a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas - He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him, and thus became the model for Santa Claus, whose modern name comes from the Dutch Sinterklaas, itself from a series of elisions and corruptions of the transliteration of "Saint Nikolaos". His reputation evolved among the faithful, as was common for early Christian saints
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WHAT THIS MEAN?
Patron Saint of Children, coopers, sailors, fishermen, merchants, broadcasters, the falsely accused, repentant thieves, pharmacists, archers, pawnbrokers

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 25 2012, 08:41 PM)
This a stupid question. Why are there also Caucasians in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, and other religions?
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I wasn't expecting another question to be an answer. I truly thought someone would enlighten me with a little more patience.

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Another stupid question. This is like asking, "Why are there so many problems in the world? Why can't life and the world exists without any problems? WHy cannot be a PERFECT world?

So your God is not being omnipotent, nor benevolent anymore as how the bible claims to be. Please do teach me, help me understand. Fighting against my naivety with your anger isn't going to make your arguments convincing.

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And without problems, there will be joy of overcoming those problems, and there will be no joy of victory.
Does this question even matter at all? Do you really think the religion is meant only for a specific race? Has the Bible written that it is only for the Jews?

Another answer in a form of question. It's not that i think religion is only meant for a specific race, but I do think when your religion was created he didn't have the other races in mind. It seems to me that the characters that they mention in the bible are restricted to a small region only, and not the entire population.
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WHAT THIS MEAN?
Patron Saint of Children, coopers, sailors, fishermen, merchants, broadcasters, the falsely accused, repentant thieves, pharmacists, archers, pawnbrokers

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it means when you face problem related to those, or your profession are one of those, you can always besides praying to God, ask for intercession of Saint Nicholas - because Saint Nicholas understands what you will go through
very well as he has been through such during his time on earth.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1758395?author=Jedi - refer Post 2 and Post 3 if you wish to understand more of intercession, from a catholic and orthodox point of view.

Merry Christmas

an example of St Nicholas Prayer

ST. NICHOLAS PRAYER

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Loving God, we thank you for
      the example of St Nicholas,
      who fed the hungry,
      brought hope to the imprisoned,
      gave comfort to the lost,
      and taught the truth to all.
May we strive to imitate him
      by putting you first in all we do.
Give us the courage, love and strength
      of St Nicholas, so that, like him,
      we may serve you through loving
      our brothers and sisters.  Amen.


For Children since he is also Patron Saint of Children:

A PRAYER FOR CHILDREN

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God, we pray that through the
intercessions of St. Nicholas
you will guide and protect our children.

Keep them safe from all harm
and help them grow to become
loving disciples of Jesus in your sight.

Give them strength to always mature
into deeper faith in you,
and to keep alive joy in your creation.

Through Jesus Christ Our Lord. Amen.


General Intercessory Prayer as thanks giving

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O good holy Nicholas,
you who brought joy to children,
put in my heart the spirit of childhood
about which the Gospel speaks.
Teach me how to sow
happiness around me. Amen.


However you can make up your own prayer, in a conversational form, as the Lord has already known our intentions when we want to pray, before we pray. smile.gif

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QUOTE(edge85 @ Dec 25 2012, 07:22 PM)
1. everywhere I go, I see Christianity always being related to a caucasian. Why would you, as an Asian believe in a white man's religion?

2. why did God create so many races? causing so much chaos around the world.

3. did the bible ever mentioned about the various human races? american natives, australian aborogines, the polynesian people in the pacifica? and i highly doubt it made any references to the american, russian, and south east asian continent.
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1 - Religion dont define who we are, nor is Race. Christianity is for all, in other words, God's love is for all. The same may say for Buddhism Muslim etc etc

2 and 3 - Genesis 11:1-9 (Can you read this by google as its long) I provide commentaries here for your question 2 and 3 by relating with the Genesis 11:1-9.

What was wrong was that the tower builders (the descendants of Noah's son Ham) thought they could reach heaven their own way and not God's way.
They wanted to make a name for themselves and by themselves. They were rebelling against the covenant authority of Shem (Noah's first born son).
Shem in Hebrew means "name". Names are important to God.
Ham's descendants decided they didn't need God or His covenant.
God had promised Noah never to send a flood again, so God instead confused their language.
This is Babylon and was probably a ziggurat (pyramid with a temple on top that was built). Babel or Babylon became the symbol of evil and decadence.

General Lay-Man History for 'Dummies - who does not know characters yet in Bible':

The enemies of the Israelites are the descendants of Ham.
By building the tower, the Hamites, as they were called, were usurping the authority of Shem.
It is Noah's first-born Shem's line that are the people of God and who chose to worship God as part of His covenant. This is the line that Jesus Christ comes from.

A belief that you can reach heaven outside the graces of God, on your own, is encompassed in the sin of pride.

The evil is in their desire to "make a name" for themselves rather than in the attempt to build a tower "with its top in the heavens" . . .

Human smallness, not divine impotence, is emphasized in the Lord’s descent (verse. 5).

The plural in verse 7 may reflect the concept of God’s royal court, an early idea in Israel.

The punishment had been anticipated in verse 4. The name of the city, Babel, is here associated with the Hebrew root bll, "to confound."

The great city and its (implied) defeat thus becomes synonymous with man’s revolt against God and its consequences.

The inhabitants of the city started to build a great stage-tower ziggurat, which they raised to some considerable height and then were unable to complete. The massive remains were a visible reminder of the ineffectual attempt which tradition recorded to have been accompanied by discord and consequent migration of many of the population. This meager historical record explains why the sacred writer did not mention the nature of the sin which led to the frustration of the grandiose design. But his deep conviction of God’s overruling government of the world taught him that the attempt had been displeasing to God and the narrative suggests that the sin was one of overweening human pride and self-sufficiency.

The story has been widely understood to tell of a miraculous intervention by which different languages were introduced and the population thus became unable to understand one another. But it must be noted that the different groups among not only the Japhethites and Chamites, 10:5,20, but also among the Semites, 10:31, are already recorded to have had their various languages, and as the two former groups are already out of the story, the origin of languages is not recorded here. Moreover, the word for "languages" is lason which is that used in 10:5, 20, 31. In our passage this word is not found. That used is sapah, "lip," which also signifies "utterance." The natural meaning here is that the people at first in complete harmony "all saying the same thing" fell out among themselves and could not agree upon a common policy; and as a result of the discord (and possibly of fighting) there was a migration.


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QUOTE(barstad @ Dec 25 2012, 09:18 PM)
Why do kristian celebrate on December 25? Was Isa born on that date? It never say in bible?
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The exact date is not important but the message behind the reason for Christmas is.
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QUOTE(edge85 @ Dec 25 2012, 09:26 PM)
I wasn't expecting another question to be an answer. I truly thought someone would enlighten me with a little more patience.
So your God is not being omnipotent, nor benevolent anymore as how the bible claims to be. Please do teach me, help me understand. Fighting against my naivety with your anger isn't going to make your arguments convincing.
Another answer in a form of question. It's not that i think religion is only meant for a specific race, but I do think when your religion was created he didn't have the other races in mind. It seems to me that the characters that they mention in the bible are restricted to a small region only, and not the entire population.
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The tower of Babel.

I believe All races started from there.
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QUOTE(barstad @ Dec 25 2012, 11:08 PM)
If Jesus is a god how come he come as a baby? Why not come as adult man?
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To relate with us.
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dont u ever get tired of replying the same old questions all the time? this questions is easily available by searching and still they prefer to be spoon fed.
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dont u ever get tired of replying the same old questions all the time? this questions is easily available by searching and still they prefer to be spoon fed.
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It's alright Silk.


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QUOTE(silkysilk @ Dec 25 2012, 11:12 PM)
dont u ever get tired of replying the same old questions all the time? this questions is easily available by searching and still they prefer to be spoon fed.
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they wants to see how we defends it. they "think" other religion is not right to believe under "their own knowledge to judge" it. human law always need 2 ppl to witness only consider it real to see from their own eyes.
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Don't mind me, if I share a bit of devotion.

Well You guys remember what Jesus says?

John 15:18NIV
If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

1 John 3:13 NIV
Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.

This world is under the rule of the fallen angel satan.

Ephesians 2:2NIV
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.


Just look at RWI and simpletraveller thread and see how true is God's word, lol.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 25 2012, 11:25 PM)
Don't mind me, if I share a bit of devotion.

Well You guys remember what Jesus says?

John 15:18NIV
If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

1 John 3:13 NIV
Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.

This world is under the rule of the fallen angel satan.

Ephesians 2:2NIV
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Just look at RWI and simpletraveller thread and see how true is God's word, lol.
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its gona be a long keyboard war in it  rclxub.gif
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It's not our responsibility to answer all critics.

Let them critic all they want. smile.gif

Our responsibility is to know God better and better.

To have closer and closer relationship with the Almighty God.

And I will do my level best to help all of you in here.

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kingdom of the air is?
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QUOTE(silkysilk @ Dec 25 2012, 11:45 PM)
kingdom of the air is?
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Spiritual realm.

Where wars between God's angel and demonic spirits.


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Great thread answering questions for those who do not understand the bible and Christianity together. Have a blessed Christmas! smile.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 25 2012, 11:38 PM)
It's not our responsibility to answer all critics.

Let them critic all they want.  smile.gif

Our responsibility is to know God better and better.

To have closer and closer relationship with the Almighty God.

And I will do my level best to help all of you in here.
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that's the reason I did not reply in it. seeing them is like seeing my old days as a free thinker, all my knowledge r came from what I see scientifically and the time I live in it. I'm lucky that I have the chance to seek god kingdoms today and I will hold it tight till my last breath. nod.gif

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QUOTE(adamwjs @ Dec 25 2012, 11:49 PM)
Great thread answering questions for those who do not understand the bible and Christianity together. Have a blessed Christmas! smile.gif
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same to you bro.

help link this thread to any of your Bro n Sis in Christ in lowyat.net.

thanks. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 25 2012, 11:51 PM)
that's the reason I did not reply in it. seeing them is like seeing my old days as a free thinker, all my knowledge r came from what I see scientifically and the time I live in it. I'm lucky that I have the chance to seek god kingdoms today and I will hold it tight till my last breath.  nod.gif
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God himself will keep you and build you up.

Don't worry.

Just Hold tight to your Faith.
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Hi, I am 9 years old, watched the video below and am feeling confused  rclxub.gif
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I doubt that you're 9.

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heard so many times about Jesus being in India and Buddhist stuff.

Well, can tell them to try harder.

It's not going to work.

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If Jesus is a god how come he come as a baby? Why not come as adult man?
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I would love to elaborate more on what Bro Unknown Warrior has said.

The key: God came down to be Born among men, so that men might become Born again of God.

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Creation of Adam, by Michelangelo, Sistine Chapel, Vatican City

Man can know by reason that God exists, but not what God is really like. Yet because God would very much like to be known, He has revealed himself.

God did not have to reveal Himself to us. (u see, since the time of men, from animism, to egyptian worshipping Sun, Sky, Wind, Roman Gods, Greek Gods...instead of men worshipping Him, men worship His Creation! How infantile we are!)

But He did it – out of love.

Just as in human love one can know something about the beloved person only if he opens his heart to us, so too we know something about God’s inmost thoughts only because the eternal and mysterious God has opened himself to us our of love.

From creation on, through the patriarchs and the prophets down to the definitive – REVELATION in his Son Jesus Christ, God has spoken again and again to mankind. In him He has poured out His heart to us and made His inmost being visible to us.


From the Old Testament, which predates Birth of Jesus, but prefigures His coming:

God reveal himself in the Old Testament because He does not want to remain incognito, He does not want to remain a 'Higher Being' that is merely a sense.

God shows himself in the Old Testament as God who created the world out of his love and remains faithful to men even when they have fallen away from him into sin.

God makes it possible to experience him in history:
With Noah he establishes a covenant to save all living things.

He calls Abraham so as to make him “the father of a multitude nations” (Gen 17:5b) and to bless “all families of the earth” in him (Gen 12:3b). The people Israel, sprung from Abraham, becomes his special possession.

To Moses he introduces himself by name. His mysterious name YHWH, usually transcribed Yahweh, means I am who I am (Ex 3:14).

New Testament:

God show us in Jesus Christ the full depth of his merciful love.

Through Jesus Christ the invisible God become visible. He becomes a man like us. This shows us how far God loves goes: He bears our whole burden. He walks every path with us. He is there in our abandonment, our sufferings, our fear of death. He is there when we can go no further, so as to open up for us the door leading to life.

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This includes He understands a child, an adult, everything that we went through, God went through.

He loves us so much, and what did we do?

We crucify Him, because we worship His creation (power, lust, money etc)

And He died saying: Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.

He died opening His arms wide, still there, waiting for you to hug Him and to tell Him, you love Him too, and you wish to share His love with others.

That is the greatest love. wub.gif

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QUOTE(silkysilk @ Dec 25 2012, 11:12 PM)
dont u ever get tired of replying the same old questions all the time? this questions is easily available by searching and still they prefer to be spoon fed.
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yes, I got a few different answers from yahoo answers. but i'm not satisfied. if everything were to be answerable by google then a thread like this does not need to exist does it?

anyway a big thank you to Jedi and unknown warrior, you have answered my question.
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Actually, some question we can just ignore, there is a reason why some still choose not to believe or fail to understand because God has not chosen to reveal it to those who have been spiritually blinded or seeking with a harden heart for the sake of knowledge.

John
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 26 2012, 04:12 AM)
I would love to elaborate more on what Bro Unknown Warrior has said.

The key: God came down to be Born among men, so that men might become Born again of God.
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Aw ... smile.gif ... you can go higher

Athanasius, who quite elegantly declared that the Son of God "became man that we might be made God" (On the Incarnation of the Word)
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We are indeed given the highest order in creation ranking.

and this is my own personal opinion,

could be a respond by God to Satan's when he thought it was he who should be. (1 Corinthians 1:28)



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Hmm? Ah no ... it's not about creation but more, the purpose God became a man ... (Rom 1:3-4, 2 Peter 1:4)
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QUOTE(edge85 @ Dec 26 2012, 04:49 AM)
yes, I got a few different answers from yahoo answers. but i'm not satisfied. if everything were to be answerable by google then a thread like this does not need to exist does it?

anyway a big thank you to Jedi and unknown warrior, you have answered my question.
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There's a lot of misunderstanding churned out by the media especially the internet about Christianity and God

There are quarters on purpose mis-quote scripture to suit their agenda.

I've seen a fair share enough to just sigh, shaking my head.

I must stress, people without the spirit of God will not get the same revelation of the Bible like we do.

Because God's word in the Bible is inspired by the spirit of God, hence the reason.

It's not a matter of pride to say this but for proper perspective.
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Hmm? Ah no ... it's not about creation but more, the purpose God became a man ... (Rom 1:3-4, 2 Peter 1:4)
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to restore us to that position.

I mean.
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to restore us to that position.

I mean.
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Ah (you are asking the right question biggrin.gif) ...... but that was only redemption ... to restore us to the original position of Adam. Otherwise, we have no RIGHT to receive the divine life to grow as the sons of God. But salvation is not just redemption only.

I think most are clear that the Lord has no sin (Rom 8:3). But rarely do people see that although his humanity is perfect, it was not being glorified or brought into glory yet. Well ... to make it clear, our humanity requires 2 steps (fallen -> original (redemption) -> uplifted) through sanctification. But the Lord's humanity is sinless, yet His humanity needs to go through death and resurrection so that the divine life concealed in His humanity will be released.

This is clearly seen in Rom 1:3-4. Through His resurrection, Christ became the firstborn Son of God, full of the essence of God’s holiness, not only in His spirit, but also in His body. Before His death and resurrection the holiness of God was in Christ’s spirit, but this holy essence had not been manifested in His flesh. In other words, it had not permeated His flesh. It was through death and resurrection that God’s holy essence saturated the physical body of the Lord Jesus (glorification).

Concerning the Lord Jesus, the Spirit of holiness was within Him before His death and resurrection. This Spirit of holiness is the divine essence of holiness. Through the process of death and resurrection, this holy essence saturated and permeated the Lord’s humanity, including His flesh. As believers in the Lord Jesus, we also have the divine essence of holiness, which is the Spirit of holiness, the very Christ, in our spirit. Because this holy essence is still concealed within our humanity, we need to pass through a process under God’s sovereign arrangement that will enable this essence to saturate our entire being.

Now (in His resurrection) He is the Son of God in a way that is more wonderful than before, for now He has both the divine nature and the resurrected, transformed, uplifted, glorified, and designated human nature.

As the Son of God with both divinity and humanity, Christ is now the pattern and model for the mass production of the many sons of God. God does not want just one Son, the only begotten Son; He desires many sons, all of whom are the mass production of the Firstborn (John 12:24, Rom 8:29)

PS. Even if Adam didn't fell (and corrupted his perfect humanity) ... it didn't met God's purpose to be life to man (putting man in front of tree of life) .... God wants man to receive Him as the divine life into him ...

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laugh.gif Before another accuse me of "something" ...

"Sons of God" includes man and women tongue.gif
"Bride of Christ" includes man and women ... yeah .... manly brothers!!! ... we are all "female" in this love relationship. Get used to it rclxms.gif

In the new creation ... no more man and woman ....

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*Bride of of Christ is not man and women but the Church itself, while we make up as the body of Christ
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 26 2012, 11:27 AM)
laugh.gif Before another accuse me of "something" ...

"Sons of God" includes man and women  tongue.gif
"Bride of Christ" includes man and women ... yeah .... manly brothers!!! ... we are all "female" in this love relationship. Get used to it  rclxms.gif

In the new creation ... no more man and woman ....
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haha.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 26 2012, 11:34 AM)
*Bride of of Christ is not man and women but the Church itself, while we make up as the body of Christ
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Which is made up of Man and Woman of God.


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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 26 2012, 11:34 AM)
*Bride of of Christ is not man and women but the Church itself, while we make up as the body of Christ
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Or you like to be more pedantic than what unknown mentioned ...

The church composed of a group of human beings coordinated together as a corporate Body with which He may mingle Himself in His divine nature, which becomes the Bride of Christ.


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But then, what is more important is the Christ is preparing the Bride. Are we beautiful? biggrin.gif The Lord is not coming back for a "child-Bride". No wonder He is waiting still.

The time is coming when He will present the Bride to Himself. Surely at the time of her presentation to Christ, the Bride will not have any wrinkles or spots. In His Bride Christ will behold nothing but beauty. This beauty will be the reflection of what He is. Do you know where the beauty of the Bride comes from?

It comes from the very Christ who is wrought into the church and who is then expressed through the church. Our beauty is not our behavior. Our only beauty is the reflection of Christ, the shining out of Christ from within us. What Christ appreciates in us is the expression of Himself in us. Nothing less than this will meet His standard or win His appreciation.

Firstly, Christ must come into us and then be assimilated by us. Then He will be able to shine out of us. This shining is the glory of the Bride, the manifestation of divinity through humanity. Real beauty is the expression of the divine attributes through humanity. Nothing in the universe is as beautiful as this expression. Therefore, the beauty of the Bride is Christ shining out of us. It is a matter of divinity expressed through humanity. Through our humanity there is an expression of the divine color, the divine appearance, the divine flavor, the divine nature, and the divine character.
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 26 2012, 12:07 PM)
But then, what is more important is the Christ is preparing the Bride. Are we beautiful? biggrin.gif The Lord is not coming back for a "child-Bride". No wonder He is waiting still.

The time is coming when He will present the Bride to Himself. Surely at the time of her presentation to Christ, the Bride will not have any wrinkles or spots. In His Bride Christ will behold nothing but beauty. This beauty will be the reflection of what He is. Do you know where the beauty of the Bride comes from?

It comes from the very Christ who is wrought into the church and who is then expressed through the church. Our beauty is not our behavior. Our only beauty is the reflection of Christ, the shining out of Christ from within us. What Christ appreciates in us is the expression of Himself in us. Nothing less than this will meet His standard or win His appreciation.

Firstly, Christ must come into us and then be assimilated by us. Then He will be able to shine out of us. This shining is the glory of the Bride, the manifestation of divinity through humanity. Real beauty is the expression of the divine attributes through humanity. Nothing in the universe is as beautiful as this expression. Therefore, the beauty of the Bride is Christ shining out of us. It is a matter of divinity expressed through humanity. Through our humanity there is an expression of the divine color, the divine appearance, the divine flavor, the divine nature, and the divine character.
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and the way to do is, is to look away from yourself and to look to Jesus as your true self.

a bit challenging for some. But with continuous effort to trust in the one who will keep us blameless,

it will blossom.


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i have 2 sensitive question here, what do you think of the Israel? Can you accept the Jews?
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i have 2 sensitive question here, what do you think of the Israel? Can you accept the Jews?
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Israel is our God's chosen nation.

We can learn a lot from them because they do hold roots to the ancestry of our Faith.

I have no qualms to uphold them in prayer.



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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 26 2012, 12:45 PM)
Israel is our God's chosen nation.

We can learn a lot from them because they do hold roots to the ancestry of our Faith.

I have no qualms to uphold them in prayer.
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Yes agree with your view on this.
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Yes agree with your view on this.
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A lot of people do not know, one of the reason for the hatred towards them is because the Devil targets them.

Why the Devil targets Israel?, because Jesus was born as a Jew.

That is why you see the constant attack on Israel by other countries.
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i have 2 sensitive question here, what do you think of the Israel? Can you accept the Jews?
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Hmm .. not sure why sensitive ... it's not about our accepting .... but of God's choosing e.g. believers (reality of the type of Israel) are of God's choosing. They will be restored at the Lord's coming back. Some points to consider from Zechariah:

1. Hardness Coming upon a Part of Israel

Romans 11:25b says that a hardness has come upon Israel in part until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. In the present time, God seemingly has forsaken Israel, and Israel has become somewhat hard. This hardness will continue until the age of the Gentiles has been fulfilled.

2. All Israel to Be Saved

When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, all Israel will be saved (Rom. 11:26-27). This will be Israel's household salvation. On the same day and at the same time, thousands of Israelites will be saved.

3. Perhaps Taking Place While the Great War of Armageddon Is About to End

It may be that this household salvation of Israel will take place while the great war of Armageddon is about to end (cf. Zech. 14:2-3). At the end of the war of Armageddon, Christ will come to earth, and the remnant of Israel will see Him whom they have pierced, will repent and wail, and will believe in Christ and receive Him (Rev. 1:7; Zech. 12:10). In this way all Israel will be saved. This will be the household salvation rendered to Israel by God.

4. Jehovah God Pouring Out on the House of David and on the Inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of Grace and of Supplications

Zechariah 12:10a says, "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of supplications; and they will look upon Me, whom they have pierced." In Acts 2 God poured out His Spirit upon all flesh (v. 17), and three thousand were saved. But when God pours out the Spirit of grace upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, many thousands of Israel, even the entire race of Israel, will be saved.

By the time of the Lord's second appearing, the remnant of Israel will have suffered all kinds of hardship. They suffered the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and were scattered to other countries. In these other countries they continued to suffer persecution. Today most of the Jews remain in dispersion, but many are returning to the nation of Israel. At the time of Antichrist, two-thirds in all the land of Israel will be slaughtered (13:8-9a). Half of the city of Jerusalem will go forth into captivity (14:2). The half which remains will no longer have any taste for human life or for acquiring possessions and high positions. They will realize that they are short of God and will exercise their spirit (12:1), not their mind. At this juncture they will repent, because they have lost their taste for everything. The Holy Spirit will be poured out upon them, and they will follow their spirit to be fully occupied with God. I believe that because they will have learned that everything apart from God is vanity and because they will exercise their spirit, the pouring out of the Spirit of God upon them will be intensified. The Jews on the day of Pentecost were stubborn and hard. Hence, the Spirit of power was poured out to inspire them to repent. But the inhabitants of Jerusalem in Zechariah 12:10 will have already repented; therefore, the Spirit of grace will be poured out upon them so that they can receive the Triune God as their enjoyment.

Zechariah 12:10a also tells us that they will look upon Him whom they have pierced. This means that they will look upon the Christ who was pierced by them. Revelation 1:7a refers to this: "Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him." The piercing of Christ is the foundation of redemption. Apart from Christ's being pierced, there would be no base for our redemption.

The repentant Jews will look upon the One whom they have pierced. Although it was their forefathers who pierced the Lord Jesus, God counts that as something done by these repentant ones. The reason for this is that in the sight of God the entire people of Israel is one person.

a. Wailing over Him with Wailing and Crying Bitterly over Him with Bitter Crying

Zechariah 12:10b goes on to say, "They will wail over Him with wailing as for an only son and cry bitterly over Him with bitter crying as for a firstborn son." An only son is most dear to his parents, and a firstborn son has honor among the many sons. Repentant Israel will wail over Christ as the only Son of God and will cry bitterly over Him as the firstborn Son of God.

b. There Being Great Wailing in Jerusalem

In that day there will be great wailing in Jerusalem. The land will wail, every family apart: the family of David and their wives apart; the family of Nathan and their wives apart; the family of Levi and their wives apart; the family of the Shimeites and their wives apart; all the families, the whole household of Israel, that remain (Zech. 12:11-14). Here we have three kinds of families: the royal family of David, the family of the priesthood (Nathan and Levi), and the family of an evil man (Shimei, who cursed David). Zechariah uses these families as illustrations. All those who look upon Christ, the pierced One, with a repentant spirit, will wail over Him.

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I think he meant sensitive because of the continuous subconscious hatred propaganda by local media.

As such it naturally also attached subconscious fear whenever anyone opens their mouth and talk about Israel in Malaysia.

I don't know if anyone notice this thing, but I do feel the propaganda very clearly and thus learn to unblock this sensitive fear by thinking from a wider perspective.

I don't have to submit to this ridiculous fear but talk openly whenever opportunities present itself.



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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 26 2012, 01:15 PM)
I think he meant sensitive because of the continuous subconscious hatred propaganda by local media.

As such it naturally also attached subconscious fear whenever anyone opens their mouth and talk about Israel in Malaysia.

I don't know if anyone notice this thing, but I do feel the propaganda very clearly and thus learn to unblock this sensitive fear by thinking from a wider perspective.

I don't have to submit to this ridiculous fear but talk openly whenever opportunities present itself.
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Ah that, I agreed. Very persuasive atmosphere of animosity here in MY.


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I read a book called Why Care About Israel by Sandra Teplinsky........

the author said many Churches worldwide today condemned Israel for their action toward Palestine, some of the churches even helping to create Palestinian State...............

and also that the Jews are also saved via the Old Convenent while we Gentiles are saved thru the New Convenent...........

whatever happened now against Israel is the 2nd round of Anti Semitism....
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 26 2012, 09:07 AM)
Aw ... smile.gif ... you can go higher

Athanasius, who quite elegantly declared that the Son of God "became man that we might be made God" (On the Incarnation of the Word)
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beautiful , pehkay. Early CHurch Father's writing, u really do your research and reading! I enjoy your sharing, keep it coming. For I have no time myself to ECF writings, let alone Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica, St Augustine and Augustine of Hippo's..

QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 26 2012, 10:47 AM)
Ah (you are asking the right question biggrin.gif) ...... but that was only redemption ... to restore us to the original position of Adam. Otherwise, we have no RIGHT to receive the divine life to grow as the sons of God. But salvation is not just redemption only.

I think most are clear that the Lord has no sin (Rom 8:3). But rarely do people see that although his humanity is perfect, it was not being glorified or brought into glory yet. Well ... to make it clear, our humanity requires 2 steps (fallen -> original (redemption) -> uplifted) through sanctification. But the Lord's humanity is sinless, yet His humanity needs to go through death and resurrection so that the divine life concealed in His humanity will be released.

This is clearly seen in Rom 1:3-4. Through His resurrection, Christ became the firstborn Son of God, full of the essence of God’s holiness, not only in His spirit, but also in His body. Before His death and resurrection the holiness of God was in Christ’s spirit, but this holy essence had not been manifested in His flesh. In other words, it had not permeated His flesh. It was through death and resurrection that God’s holy essence saturated the physical body of the Lord Jesus (glorification).

Concerning the Lord Jesus, the Spirit of holiness was within Him before His death and resurrection. This Spirit of holiness is the divine essence of holiness. Through the process of death and resurrection, this holy essence saturated and permeated the Lord’s humanity, including His flesh. As believers in the Lord Jesus, we also have the divine essence of holiness, which is the Spirit of holiness, the very Christ, in our spirit. Because this holy essence is still concealed within our humanity, we need to pass through a process under God’s sovereign arrangement that will enable this essence to saturate our entire being.

Now (in His resurrection) He is the Son of God in a way that is more wonderful than before, for now He has both the divine nature and the resurrected, transformed, uplifted, glorified, and designated human nature.

As the Son of God with both divinity and humanity, Christ is now the pattern and model for the mass production of the many sons of God. God does not want just one Son, the only begotten Son; He desires many sons, all of whom are the mass production of the Firstborn (John 12:24, Rom 8:29)

PS. Even if Adam didn't fell (and corrupted his perfect humanity) ... it didn't met God's purpose to be life to man (putting man in front of tree of life) .... God wants man to receive Him as the divine life into him ...
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yes, that we are made firstborns !!! thumbup.gif

I remembered you wrote and I saved it to memo:
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In us, the Triune God has been working in us since our regeneration and will continue until we are exactly the same as the firstborn Son of God.
''Jesus Christ is the faithful witness,
the firstborn of the dead and ruler of the kings of the earth.'' (Rv1:5-8)

All of us as God’s chosen ones need to pass through the processes of sanctification, renewing, transformation, and conformation unto the glorification of our entire being.
We are in the processed Triune God for Him to work in us to the extent that we are exactly the same as the embodiment of God, the firstborn Son of God, so that we all may become the embodiment of God. The firstborn Son of God is the individual embodiment of God; we as the many sons of God are the corporate embodiment of God. The reality of this embodiment is the all-inclusive Spirit. When this embodiment is expressed and enlarged, it is the Body of Christ.



Funny how I read on facebook one of our brother writing 'What if I can show u God became unholy ONCE'

and he quoted:
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2 Corinthians 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.


Misconception: Christ was born to take our sins upon Himself ... in fact.

and in reply, other brothers as we share in consensus:

Christ had no personal sin. That is common basic Truth. Taking on our sins is a covenantal expression. Not a literal. It's like me saying, "I am taking the burdens of my friend's difficulty as my own"...I don't mean that I am taking my friend's problems as my own. I am saying that I am handling his issues on my own. How i do so may not be evident to everyone else just as Christ taking on our sins is not made evident to us as to HOW He does so.

Jesus taking on our sins is like the parent who goes to the judge and places a bond to free us from prison. Now the prison we were in were the chains of our sins including the original sin that kept us from the Gates of Heaven. The doors were locked we were bound to not get back in with God who is our original destination until the devil tempted us and we remained in that weakness through out the ages before Jesus’ Sacrifice.


QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 26 2012, 12:28 PM)
i have 2 sensitive question here, what do you think of the Israel? Can you accept the Jews?
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No problem. I love them to be honest. I mean, they are also our bros n sis. And I also have an ambition, a dream, to have a wife with jewish blood. well... smile.gif
I am in close contact with jewish christians as I study overseas. So yes, I only wish our government allow us the 21day to Jerusalem earlier, I missed the trip.
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Belated Blessed Christmas to everyone in here! smile.gif

I shared this earlier in another thread but I guessed I posted in the incorrect thread (or maybe God sent me there to awake the souls of others). I just found out there is a LYN Christian Fellowship V6 (Group) from one of the fellow members in here. And here I am. Thank God for sending me a messenger smile.gif


Would like to share with everyone my life-changing testimony that God changed me and came into my life. If you don't believe it, I don't mind. You may choose to mock me, or call me a liar, or maybe I need mental psychiatric help (tanjong rambutan), or maybe I am telling the truth...? You may share your own testimony too. smile.gif

If you are currently living a life of bondages - drug addiction, sex addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, jealousy, hatred, fame, fortune, money; feeling spiritually empty (you have done all there is in this life, feeling physically satisfied, but you feel something is still missing.... what else is there to life?? You wake up in the morning thinking, is this all there is to life? This testimony is destined by God for you to read. It is not by accident or coincidence you are reading this. JOHN 8:32 – THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE


All Glory to God! - by Allan Phang


20 Dec 2012, by Allan Phang:

Firstly, I would like to thank God for His grace and mercy for giving me this opportunity to share my testimony. I come humbly before God as I share my testimony on how God has touched my life. It is a bit long… sorry about that but what needs to be said has to be said. "He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." (Micah 6:8).

All Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ!

Why am I sharing this? After my late grandfather’s death recently, I realized that if I don’t share my testimony, I will be doing a great injustice to everyone I know. Our life on earth is short. Although this article is only a summary of my testimony shared during my church baptism, I would like to share this testimony to everyone out there– my friends, associates and especially everyone who is facing difficulties in your life. There is hope…there is a God.

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Ever since God came into my life, friends and family members alike used to frequently asked me this question, "Allan, what changed you? You're a changed person for the better. How did it happen? Why now?"

Most of the things that I did in the past were for my own self indulgence and personal glory (Please read this part carefully. There are many of my generation – Generation X and Y who suffer similiar bondages). I was too engrossed in and blinded by the lifestyles of the world – MONEY, FAME, FORTUNE, PARTY and GIRLS were constantly on my mind. These were the trophies I was well-known for among my friends. My peer nickname back then was 'Party King', 'Player' and 'Playboy'. I used to go clubbing, partying or raving, sometimes up to seven days a week! I was addicted to drinking alcohol, opening bottle after bottle of liquor, yamseng* glass after glass, getting drunk, talking like a samseng or gangster, swearing and cursing with many languages like there is no tomorrow, gambling in casinos, playing 4D, hacking computers, involving with designer drugs and illicit underworld activities and worshipping satanic forces unconsciously. Despite me having the fast and glorious lifestyle, I was still jealous of those richer than me, living in bigger houses and had hotter girl friends. I was also revengeful and hateful to those who hurt me and the list goes on.

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I used to be very proud of myself. In my line of work, I meet a lot of VVIPS, including billionaires, millionaires, people with high authority, ministers, heads of state, the cream of the crop of the powerful people in the country. I felt that I was on top of this world until I met God.

Photo References: The VVIPS I meet in my line of work: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3...33963578&type=3 (Just some photos. Not all are in here)

So when my friends asked me, “What changed you?”, my reply was, "It's not me. It’s all GOD’s work." When I became a believer, I was constantly judged and smirked upon for upholding my new found faith. My reply to them was: "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat." (Romans 14:10)

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Talking about faith, I have heard testimonies from Malaysian non-believers who used the name of JESUS to cast away evil spirits and demons that were disturbing them. They felt helpless using chants of other faiths which didn’t work. But when they used the name of JESUS, the demons disappeared instantly! And after their personal encounters, they became believers of Christ. The Bible says that the Name of Jesus is above every name! "Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and give Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11). When our words have become His Words, every evil force around us must bow to that Name. Jesus has given us the authority to use His Name.
source: Your Words Hold A Miracle. The Power of Speaking God's Word. By John Osteen

I’ve also heard the testimony of a previous gang leader in Kuala Lumpur who accepted Christ and is now serving the Lord. And just a couple of days ago, I had the opportunity to listen to a testimony of a person who was involved in the navy, special forces and organized crime. He was in the country’s Most Wanted List and ended up serving jail time. But now, he is serving the Lord in many nations! Friends, God has no favourites in the world we live in. He uses people in the most mysterious ways, regardless of one’s material wealth or popularity. "But if you do what is wrong, you will be paid back for the wrong you have done. For God has no favorites." (Colossians 3:25)

Testimony of Bro Owen Pomana (was on Most Wanted List for 17 charges, ie: armed kidnapping and carjacking of a wealthy businessman’s son, robbed the biggest drug dealers in the state). “That night I went down to the beach in front of my apartment, and I cried out, ‘If there is a God, you need to help me. You know my life. If you help me, I promise to give up the guns, the drugs and the violence’.”
Read his testimony here: http://www.challengenews.org/collecting-hearts-not-debts

Me and Bro Owen Pomana in Malaysia: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=355...&type=3&theater


My dad passed away when I was only two years old and I was the only child. I didn’t have any fatherly figure to look up to. But I thank God for my mum who single-handedly raised me up as the sole-bread winner of the household. Born in a Christian family, I was practically 'dragged' out of my bed every Sunday morning and forced to attend Sunday school untill I was 12 years old… Sound familiar? I also attended Bible classes untill I was 15 years old and served in ministry. In college, I attended the college's Christian Fellowship. Once I started working, God was completely out of my life. I was lost for approximately 10 years, only seeking and praying to God when I faced problems during that time… Sound familiar again?

Although I made my yearly visit to church during Christmas and showed other's that I am a Christian, I was only a Christian on official papers, but deep down inside me, I had no clue, and I did not understand what and who Jesus Christ is all about. I did not read the Bible because I couldn’t understand a word in the Bible at all. And every time I suffered a bad relationship– heartbroken and dejected– I would go out and drown my sorrows away in alcohol and clubbing thinking that it would make me feel better, which did leave me feeling good for awhile. But when the next day came, after a hangover, the cycle repeated itself like a “repeat button” on the remote control. I was in a downward spiral effect. In short, I was lost for many, many years walking in the wilderness. I had no direction in life, no hope, and felt very lifeless. I was spiritually empty, if not negative already.

Then, one day, a friend of mine from Glad Tidings PJ shared the gospel to me. I was deeply touched and convicted by the Holy Spirit that I was not walking right with God at all. It seemed like God was giving me a tight slap!! Thank God for it!

THAT WAS MY TURNING POINT OF MY ENTIRE LIFE!

That Sunday itself (April 15th, 2012), I went to Glad Tidings PJ. The moment I stepped into the church, I felt a sense of serenity and joy that descended upon me. When Pastor Vincent Leoh called for an altar call, I went out, said the sinner’s prayer (with the help of Pastor Michael Tan too) and committed my life fully to Christ on that day itself.

Without wasting time, I joined a cell group the following Friday and ever since then, I have been attending the cell group every week, rain or shine. I enjoy the fellowship! The members are very encouraging and I learned so much about the Word of God. I also started attending BSF – Bible Study Fellowship. If someone told me about it earlier, I would have given them the “you must be kidding me” kind of look because I was the last person to ever go near a Bible back then!

Since then, I have attended a few courses conducted by pastors in the church. I also went to the Glad Tidings PJ church camp this year and it was indeed an eye opener for me. It’s great to be in the family of God and enjoy God’s wonderful presence in the camp. During the camp, I wept in front of a crowd of a few hundred people. Never in my life have I cried publicly like that. I later realized that I was touched by the Holy Spirit.

My decision to accept Christ was not easy. I felt as if I was rowing against the multitude current of waves. I faced a lot of resistance when I accepted Christ. People close to me said “Allan, you (still) stand to lose the inheritance of this world (even) if you are baptized and become a born-again Christian." But a little voice in my heart replied automatically, “Allan, you are inheriting the Kingdom of God”.

Now, it has been about 8 months since I stepped into Glad Tidings PJ. Let me share with you what has taken place :


Firstly, I find so much love, joy and peace in God now overflowing in my heart that I cannot help but share the gospel and my experiences with my friends. As for my family, I am still praying very hard to share the Good News to them too. Hopefully, there will be more and more of my friends, especially the “yamseng, talk like a samseng” ones will come to know Christ.

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbour as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:30-31)

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Secondly, now, I can speak in tongues. Praying and talking to Jesus daily is what I love to do now. His presence is so real and tangible in my life. Many of my friends even teased and made fun of me. Some have even nicknamed me Pastor, although I know that it is not man to be appointed as one but only by a calling from God.


Thirdly, reading the Bible is no longer a problem anymore. Now, the Word of God just pops up like a 3-D effect. It’s really awesome! Praise God!

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Fourthly, as I keep reading the Bible daily, God’s truth has indeed set me free– away from my old self, wrong beliefs, wrong lifestyles and bondages of the world.

JOHN 8:32 – THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE

I now seek to have the fruits of the spirit in me:

"But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!"(Galatians 5:22-23)

I am free now to be who and what God wants me to be. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! The lifestyles that I enjoyed last time, now I find no fulfillment in them anymore. I believe this is what our Pastor Vincent Leoh has been talking about, dying to the old self and now I am a new creation in Christ Jesus.

I used to think that people who listen to Praise and Worship music were “crazy”. I thought in my heart, “Isn’t there any better music to listen to like Lady Gaga or rave music?” Now, I beg to differ. I realized what I have been missing out all this time! I now play Praise and Worship music to the max whenever I am driving! Ironic but true.

Now, on Fridays, no more clubbing for me but I have a new place to go, to my new found family in Christ and that is my home cell at Bandar Utama.

God has indeed blessed me with every spiritual blessings – physically, mentally and many areas of my life. I have witnessed how He has answered my prayers, touched and transformed me.

The 3 minutes youtube video below by Billy Graham basically sums up what I believe in. People from the worldly world get the most famous misconception that Christianity is just a religion. It is MORE than that. It is about having a RELATIONSHIP with GOD. I never expected my life to change… being released from the bondages and darkness of this world and living in the light. Definitely not some new-age theology or my own willpower could help me overcome my bondages and sins (They say only time heals. Incorrect. Only God heals). I am not perfect. Nobody is perfect. We are all born sinners. Please don't look at me, for I am just another human like you too. Look towards God. I am saved, ONLY by God's grace and mercy. All Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ!!

God will bless you and your desires in your heart. Seek Him. Seek first the Kingdom of God.



Thank you for reading. God bless you.


From a Child of God,
Allan Phang
P/S: Thank you to all the pastors from Glad Tidings PJ and every brother and sister in Christ whom have came into my life.


Please watch this video by Billy Graham. Your life might never be the same again…

http://youtu.be/inLmaG6qR7E (3 mins)
http://youtu.be/Lai-HnqoIN8 (3 mins)
http://youtu.be/MIqRH1XBw5M (41 mins)

To know more about Jesus Christ, the Living God, please contact your nearest church. God bless.

*"Yamseng" is a colloquial term used before drinking beverages together, usually liquor.

Source: http://christianitymalaysia.com/wp/glory-god-allan-phang/
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 26 2012, 01:49 PM)
I read a book called Why Care About Israel by Sandra Teplinsky........

the author said many Churches worldwide today condemned Israel for their action toward Palestine, some of the churches even helping to create Palestinian State...............

and also that the Jews are also saved via the Old Convenent while we Gentiles are saved thru the New Convenent...........

whatever happened now against Israel is the 2nd round of Anti Semitism....
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You must know that peacekeepers, and we CHristians generally favour peace, for God desires peace and love.

We do not condemn Israel as a whole, but the Zionist for their pride, they have always been, since before Jesus' Time, till now.

However, that does not constitute the whole of Israel.

The situation is also complicated as a whole. Ill brief it up to my own understanding.

Short history of Islam:

Story traced back to Abraham's wife and the second wife. when the Eldest Wife bore Abraham a son, that line continues to Jesus.

ELdest wife requested the 2nd's to do away with, therefore that is the line of Muhammed.


For some reason, devil has been inspiring muhammed (bec muhammed knew very well, the scriptures from Bible by learning from a syrian priest who also predicted he will be a great prophet)

And at that time, Jews control the economy of Palestine, and arabian peninsula.

He has good intentions of restoring unity among Arabs, and at first was very warming to Jews. Over time he became critical of Jews and wrote hateful things - that u can find on Quran about the Jews and invoke them in God's name.

"Islam" means both "peace" (etymologically connected with the Hebrew shalom) and "submission," or "surrender"; it is the peace that comes from submission to Allah's will.

In one sense Islam is a simplification of Christianity as Buddhism is a simplification of Hinduism.
But in another sense Islam adds to Christianity, for where Jews have only our "Old Testament" Scriptures and Christians add the New Testament, Moslems also add the Koran.
They accept the claims of the Jewish prophets to be sent by God.
They believe Jesus deepened this revelation and that Mohammed completed it. Mohammed is "the seal of the prophets."
He tells you how to live Jesus' ethic (Jesus is seen only as a man, an ethical teacher).

Actually, Islam neither merely simplifies Christianity nor merely adds to it, but reinterprets it—somewhat as Christianity does to Judaism.
As the Christian interpretation of the Old Testament is not the same as the Jewish one, the Moslem interpretation of the New Testament is not the same as the Christian one;
the Koran authoritatively interprets the New Testament as the New interprets the Old.

Now we know that God does not promote hate, and we also know, that Jesus is the last prophet, as well as Son of God, who establishes the New and Everlasting Covenant. Which means whoever that comes after..makes them false prophets.

Why? Because Christ has fulfilled the law. why would he claim to seal the prophets? Why would he come again as a law-giver? giving laws all the time does not help a person, for only when we are free from law, that we can be free from sin, not by our works.

What of a book who claims to be the most complete lawbook 'with instructions to how to wash hands, when to wake up, which animal is dirty etc' - to St Paul all these are null. We were told not to delve into useless works, but to have faith, receive grace and from it flows works of God.


How it Relate to current affairs:

when Islam brothers are provoked, they have one good moral value: the brotherhood (jihadism)

However, why solve with violence when it can be with peace?

why send missles and rockets into Israel, from schools and mosques and using children and human shields when prayer of peace, etc diplomatics can be done?

this is never ending issue where u can read on current affairs, lowyat section.



In fact, when the end of the world comes, all the islamic regions will gather, combine and destroy City of Jerusalem.

that is also will be, the 2nd coming of Christ.

Only Divine intervention can solve the triangles of Abrahamaic religion. Now, we could only pray for peace.

Without prayers,it could be worse.


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QUOTE(barstad @ Dec 26 2012, 02:55 PM)
Tat because a lot of Palestinians are Christians who have been oppressed by Jews. Christians should not support Israelis, they should be suporting their Palestinians brothers.
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do you know that even during truce time the Palestinian rebels continued to launch rocket toward Israel? and do you know that Palestine Muslims as well as other Arab Muslims staying in Israel get along with their Jews counterpart? nobody hate them for anything nor does they get ill treatment from the government?

Why Israel being so offensive toward Palestine? Very simple u atk me u bear the consequences no matter how bad is it, Israel always welcomed truce pact in fact they honor it even more than the other side.........

Palestine from the start is not a state they does not exist at all until the day Israel was formed...........

Israel is a country whose root can be traced back more than 2 thousand years ago, so you saying that the terrorist is right in attacking Israel?
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Per pehkay,

just to remind our christian bros n sis, bible context:

“all Israel will be saved” from Romans 11:26 (Israeli murderers, robbers, sorcerers, fornicators, etc., who do not repent will not be saved)


QUOTE(allanphang.com @ Dec 26 2012, 02:58 PM)
Dear Brothers and Sisters,


Talking about faith, I have heard testimonies from Malaysian non-believers who used the name of JESUS to cast away evil spirits and demons that were disturbing them. They felt helpless using chants of other faiths which didn’t work. But when they used the name of JESUS, the demons disappeared instantly! And after their personal encounters, they became believers of Christ.

Secondly, now, I can speak in tongues. Praying and talking to Jesus daily is what I love to do now. His presence is so real and tangible in my life. Many of my friends even teased and made fun of me. Some have even nicknamed me Pastor, although I know that it is not man to be appointed as one but only by a calling from God.

Thirdly, reading the Bible is no longer a problem anymore. Now, the Word of God just pops up like a 3-D effect. It’s really awesome! Praise God!

I now seek to have the fruits of the spirit in me:

"But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!"(Galatians 5:22-23)


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I appreciate this sharing, however to poster: I maybe younger than you, but I hope I can help you in anyway I could.

THerefore I cut short your article to quote the most important parts which you believe now. I am sorry for not providing full advice as I am on a rush I have a plane to catch to Rome in 3 hours.

When a person accepts Christ, yes, Glory be to God, he is often on ecstacy.

1) Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter Kingdom of Heaven. 'Matthew 7:21'

Anyone can do things in Jesus' name. And it can have an effect. It does not equate the person is a true follower of God. Some does things for fame, for self-glorification, for power. Yet Jesus allows it, Yet God allows it. But the power belongs to Christ alone.

THerefore, it works.

and Praise be to God to all those who come to believe after divine intervention. Which is in the case of your sharing.

2) 'now i can speak in tongues'

Dear brother u must understand that, the Lord desires us to be humble. Even if u have the power to speak in tongues, we should not boast of it. Maybe Unknown Warrior brother would elaborate and help you further in this one.

Also in the past, miracles are aplenty (Biblical miracles) bec Christians are evangelising. The early Christians. Ppl need to see in order to believe (Blessed are those who believe when they dont see)

Now in todays world, really, miracles like casting demons, visions of angels saints and Christ, Speak in tongues are rare. Not everybody has that. And blessed are those who have, but those gifts are to serve Christ.

THerefore we must be mindful of our speeches and be humble.

3) Everyone has fruits of the holy spirit, but not everyone has gifts of the holy spirit - refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifts_of_the_Holy_Spirit

It depends on Gods will, and how God intends for us to utilise us to serve Him and bring others closer to Him. Everyone has different vocation.

4) BE careful when you read the Bible. Often encourages group discussion, ask brothers n sis when you are doubtful, and have a bible which provides commentaries.

Be careful when choosing materials to listen to. Billy Graham may be good, but Early Church Father's writings are the best. (Google ECF writings)

Do not read Billy Graham's antisemitic articles and books though. Some are not in compliant with Bible or Christ's teachings.

5) Peace be with you, Merry Christmas and God be with You.




Last advice: We rejoice at Resurrection of Christ, but we must also remind ourselves of the Passion of Christ, because it is His Blood that redeems, His Life on earth is a model example to us all.

Never forget about it. It helps us when we face spiritual physical and mental warfare everyday.

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HAPPY NEW YEAR PEOPLE!!!!!

I will be not online for 10 days, I will be in Rome. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 26 2012, 03:08 PM)
do you know that even during truce time the Palestinian rebels continued to launch rocket toward Israel? and do you know that Palestine Muslims as well as other Arab Muslims staying in Israel get along with their Jews counterpart? nobody hate them for anything nor does they get ill treatment from the government?

Why Israel being so offensive toward Palestine? Very simple u atk me u bear the consequences no matter how bad is it, Israel always welcomed truce pact in fact they honor it even more than the other side.........

Palestine from the start is not a state they does not exist at all until the day Israel was formed...........

Israel is a country whose root can be traced back more than 2 thousand years ago, so you saying that the terrorist is right in attacking Israel?
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De Luffy I appreciate it you bring this to World Issues section in Lowyat not here.

THis issue Christian brothers cannot solve, nor anyone in the world.

DIscussion is fruitless too, everyone has their side of stories and everyone is reluctant to reach out.

Only prayer.

Thank you.

Peace be with us all.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 26 2012, 03:31 PM)
Per pehkay,

just to remind our christian bros n sis, bible context:

“all Israel will be saved” from Romans 11:26  (Israeli murderers, robbers, sorcerers, fornicators, etc., who do not repent will not be saved)
I appreciate this sharing, however to poster: I maybe younger than you, but I hope I can help you in anyway I could.

THerefore I cut short your article to quote the most important parts which you believe now. I am sorry for not providing full advice as I am on a rush I have a plane to catch to Rome in 3 hours.

When a person accepts Christ, yes, Glory be to God, he is often on ecstacy.

1) Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter Kingdom of Heaven. 'Matthew 7:21'

Anyone can do things in Jesus' name. And it can have an effect. It does not equate the person is a true follower of God. Some does things for fame, for self-glorification, for power. Yet Jesus allows it, Yet God allows it. But the power belongs to Christ alone.

THerefore, it works.

and Praise be to God to all those who come to believe after divine intervention. Which is in the case of your sharing.

2) 'now i can speak in tongues'

Dear brother u must understand that, the Lord desires us to be humble. Even if u have the power to speak in tongues, we should not boast of it. Maybe Unknown Warrior brother would elaborate and help you further in this one.

Also in the past, miracles are aplenty (Biblical miracles) bec Christians are evangelising. The early Christians. Ppl need to see in order to believe (Blessed are those who believe when they dont see)

Now in todays world, really, miracles like casting demons, visions of angels saints and Christ, Speak in tongues are rare. Not everybody has that. And blessed are those who have, but those gifts are to serve Christ.

THerefore we must be mindful of our speeches and be humble.

3) Everyone has fruits of the holy spirit, but not everyone has gifts of the holy spirit - refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifts_of_the_Holy_Spirit

It depends on Gods will, and how God intends for us to utilise us to serve Him and bring others closer to Him. Everyone has different vocation.

4) BE careful when you read the Bible. Often encourages group discussion, ask brothers n sis when you are doubtful, and have a bible which provides commentaries.

Be careful when choosing materials to listen to. Billy Graham may be good, but Early Church Father's writings are the best. (Google ECF writings)

Do not read Billy Graham's antisemitic articles and books though. Some are not in compliant with Bible or Christ's teachings.

5) Peace be with you, Merry Christmas and God be with You.
Last advice: We rejoice at Resurrection of Christ, but we must also remind ourselves of the Passion of Christ, because it is His Blood that redeems, His Life on earth is a model example to us all.

Never forget about it. It helps us when we face spiritual physical and mental warfare everyday.

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HAPPY NEW YEAR PEOPLE!!!!!

I will be not online for 10 days, I will be in Rome.  thumbup.gif
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Hi Jedi,

Thanks for sharing. Happy New Year and God bless!! smile.gif


From a Child of God,
Allan


GOD changed my life. All Glory to GOD !! - Allan Phang's Testimony:
http://christianitymalaysia.com/wp/glory-god-allan-phang/

3 minutes to know how God changed my life
http://youtu.be/inLmaG6qR7E

1000 youths from 20 countries worshipping God (PJ, Malaysia)
http://youtu.be/Do-3rxNRbo0

Bersama-mu. Indonesians worshipping God (Jakarta, Indonesia)
http://youtu.be/QcuonX33bnU

How Great Is Our God - worshipping God
http://youtu.be/2WdOPfao4KI

How Great Is Our God - worshipping God (World)
http://youtu.be/GyGD3zH9Xvc

Eddy Yong & Ireen Chin - Testimony - God (English)
http://youtu.be/JSE_cV9K7TM


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You should spare Allan of Spiritual/theological discussion, jedi, he already faced so much attack in RWi,

I guided him to come here to chill out.

lol.

maybe later when he warmed up to the rest of us.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 26 2012, 03:38 PM)
You should spare Allan of Spiritual/theological discussion, jedi, he already faced so much attack in RWi,

I guided him to come here to chill out.

lol.

maybe later when he warmed up to the rest of us.
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I feel much like a family in this thread, very warm biggrin.gif
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Belated Blessed Christmas to everyone in here! smile.gif

I shared this earlier in another thread but I guessed I posted in the incorrect thread (or maybe God sent me there to awake the souls of others). I just found out there is a LYN Christian Fellowship V6 (Group) from one of the fellow members in here. And here I am. Thank God for sending me a messenger smile.gif
Would like to share with everyone my life-changing testimony that God changed me and came into my life. If you don't believe it, I don't mind. You may choose to mock me, or call me a liar, or maybe I need mental psychiatric help (tanjong rambutan), or maybe I am telling the truth...? You may share your own testimony too. smile.gif

If you are currently living a life of bondages - drug addiction, sex addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, jealousy, hatred, fame, fortune, money; feeling spiritually empty (you have done all there is in this life, feeling physically satisfied, but you feel something is still missing.... what else is there to life?? You wake up in the morning thinking, is this all there is to life? This testimony is destined by God for you to read. It is not by accident or coincidence you are reading this. JOHN 8:32 – THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
All Glory to God! - by Allan Phang
20 Dec 2012, by Allan Phang:

Firstly, I would like to thank God for His grace and mercy for giving me this opportunity to share my testimony. I come humbly before God as I share my testimony on how God has touched my life. It is a bit long… sorry about that but what needs to be said has to be said. "He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." (Micah 6:8).

All Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ!

Why am I sharing this? After my late grandfather’s death recently, I realized that if I don’t share my testimony, I will be doing a great injustice to everyone I know. Our life on earth is short. Although this article is only a summary of my testimony shared during my church baptism, I would like to share this testimony to everyone out there– my friends, associates and especially everyone who is facing difficulties in your life. There is hope…there is a God.

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Ever since God came into my life, friends and family members alike used to frequently asked me this question, "Allan, what changed you? You're a changed person for the better. How did it happen? Why now?"

Most of the things that I did in the past were for my own self indulgence and personal glory (Please read this part carefully. There are many of my generation – Generation X and Y who suffer similiar bondages). I was too engrossed in and blinded by the lifestyles of the world – MONEY, FAME, FORTUNE, PARTY and GIRLS were constantly on my mind. These were the trophies I was well-known for among my friends. My peer nickname back then was 'Party King', 'Player' and 'Playboy'. I used to go clubbing, partying or raving, sometimes up to seven days a week! I was addicted to drinking alcohol, opening bottle after bottle of liquor, yamseng* glass after glass, getting drunk, talking like a samseng or gangster, swearing and cursing with many languages like there is no tomorrow, gambling in casinos, playing 4D, hacking computers, involving with designer drugs and illicit underworld activities and worshipping satanic forces unconsciously. Despite me having the fast and glorious lifestyle, I was still jealous of those richer than me, living in bigger houses and had hotter girl friends. I was also revengeful and hateful to those who hurt me and the list goes on.

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I used to be very proud of myself. In my line of work, I meet a lot of VVIPS, including billionaires, millionaires, people with high authority, ministers, heads of state, the cream of the crop of the powerful people in the country. I felt that I was on top of this world until I met God.

Photo References: The VVIPS I meet in my line of work: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3...33963578&type=3 (Just some photos. Not all are in here)

So when my friends asked me, “What changed you?”, my reply was, "It's not me. It’s all GOD’s work." When I became a believer, I was constantly judged and smirked upon for upholding my new found faith. My reply to them was: "You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat." (Romans 14:10)

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Talking about faith, I have heard testimonies from Malaysian non-believers who used the name of JESUS to cast away evil spirits and demons that were disturbing them. They felt helpless using chants of other faiths which didn’t work. But when they used the name of JESUS, the demons disappeared instantly! And after their personal encounters, they became believers of Christ. The Bible says that the Name of Jesus is above every name! "Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and give Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11). When our words have become His Words, every evil force around us must bow to that Name. Jesus has given us the authority to use His Name.
source: Your Words Hold A Miracle. The Power of Speaking God's Word. By John Osteen

I’ve also heard the testimony of a previous gang leader in Kuala Lumpur who accepted Christ and is now serving the Lord. And just a couple of days ago, I had the opportunity to listen to a testimony of a person who was involved in the navy, special forces and organized crime. He was in the country’s Most Wanted List and ended up serving jail time. But now, he is serving the Lord in many nations! Friends, God has no favourites in the world we live in. He uses people in the most mysterious ways, regardless of one’s material wealth or popularity. "But if you do what is wrong, you will be paid back for the wrong you have done. For God has no favorites." (Colossians 3:25)

Testimony of Bro Owen Pomana (was on Most Wanted List for 17 charges, ie: armed kidnapping and carjacking of a wealthy businessman’s son, robbed the biggest drug dealers in the state). “That night I went down to the beach in front of my apartment, and I cried out, ‘If there is a God, you need to help me. You know my life. If you help me, I promise to give up the guns, the drugs and the violence’.”
Read his testimony here: http://www.challengenews.org/collecting-hearts-not-debts

Me and Bro Owen Pomana in Malaysia: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=355...&type=3&theater
My dad passed away when I was only two years old and I was the only child. I didn’t have any fatherly figure to look up to. But I thank God for my mum who single-handedly raised me up as the sole-bread winner of the household. Born in a Christian family, I was practically 'dragged' out of my bed every Sunday morning and forced to attend Sunday school untill I was 12 years old… Sound familiar? I also attended Bible classes untill I was 15 years old and served in ministry. In college, I attended the college's Christian Fellowship. Once I started working, God was completely out of my life. I was lost for approximately 10 years, only seeking and praying to God when I faced problems during that time… Sound familiar again?

Although I made my yearly visit to church during Christmas and showed other's that I am a Christian, I was only a Christian on official papers, but deep down inside me, I had no clue, and I did not understand what and who Jesus Christ is all about. I did not read the Bible because I couldn’t understand a word in the Bible at all. And every time I suffered a bad relationship– heartbroken and dejected– I would go out and drown my sorrows away in alcohol and clubbing thinking that it would make me feel better, which did leave me feeling good for awhile. But when the next day came, after a hangover, the cycle repeated itself like a “repeat button” on the remote control. I was in  a downward spiral effect. In short, I was lost for many, many years walking in the wilderness. I had no direction in life, no hope, and felt very lifeless. I was spiritually empty, if not negative already.

Then, one day, a friend of mine from Glad Tidings PJ shared the gospel to me. I was deeply touched and convicted by the Holy Spirit that I was not walking right with God at all. It seemed like God was giving me a tight slap!! Thank God for it!

THAT WAS MY TURNING POINT OF MY ENTIRE LIFE!

That Sunday itself (April 15th, 2012), I went to Glad Tidings PJ. The moment I stepped into the church, I felt a sense of serenity and joy that descended upon me. When Pastor Vincent Leoh called for an altar call, I went out, said the sinner’s prayer (with the help of Pastor Michael Tan too) and committed my life fully to Christ on that day itself.

Without wasting time, I joined a cell group the following Friday and ever since then, I have been attending the cell group every week, rain or shine. I enjoy the fellowship! The members are very encouraging and I learned so much about the Word of God. I also started attending BSF – Bible Study Fellowship. If someone told me about it earlier, I would have given them the “you must be kidding me” kind of look because I was the last person to ever go near a Bible back then!

Since then, I have attended a few courses conducted by pastors in the church. I also went to the Glad Tidings PJ church camp this year and it was indeed an eye opener for me. It’s great to be in the family of God and enjoy God’s wonderful presence in the camp. During the camp, I wept in front of a crowd of a few hundred people. Never in my life have I cried publicly like that. I later realized that I was touched by the Holy Spirit.

My decision to accept Christ was not easy. I felt as if I was rowing against the multitude current of waves. I faced a lot of resistance when I accepted Christ. People close to me said “Allan, you (still) stand to lose the inheritance of this world (even) if you are baptized and become a born-again Christian." But a little voice in my heart replied automatically, “Allan, you are inheriting the Kingdom of God”.

Now, it has been about 8 months since I stepped into Glad Tidings PJ. Let me share with you what has taken place :


Firstly, I find so much love, joy and peace in God now overflowing in my heart that I cannot help but share the gospel and my experiences with my friends. As for my family, I am still praying very hard to share the Good News to them too. Hopefully, there will be more and more of my friends, especially the “yamseng, talk like a samseng” ones will come to know Christ.

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbour as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:30-31)

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Secondly, now, I can speak in tongues. Praying and talking to Jesus daily is what I love to do now. His presence is so real and tangible in my life. Many of my friends even teased and made fun of me. Some have even nicknamed me Pastor, although I know that it is not man to be appointed as one but only by a calling from God.


Thirdly, reading the Bible is no longer a problem anymore. Now, the Word of God just pops up like a 3-D effect. It’s really awesome! Praise God!

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Fourthly, as I keep reading the Bible daily, God’s truth has indeed set me free– away from my old self, wrong beliefs, wrong lifestyles and bondages of the world.

JOHN 8:32 – THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE

I now seek to have the fruits of the spirit in me:

"But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!"(Galatians 5:22-23)

I am free now to be who and what God wants me to be. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! The lifestyles that I enjoyed last time, now I find no fulfillment in them anymore. I believe this is what our Pastor Vincent Leoh has been talking about, dying to the old self and now I am a new creation in Christ Jesus.

I used to think that people who listen to Praise and Worship music were “crazy”. I thought in my heart, “Isn’t there any better music to listen to like Lady Gaga or rave music?” Now, I beg to differ. I realized what I have been missing out all this time! I now play Praise and Worship music to the max whenever I am driving! Ironic but true.

Now, on Fridays, no more clubbing for me but I have a new place to go, to my new found family in Christ and that is my home cell at Bandar Utama.

God has indeed blessed me with every spiritual blessings – physically, mentally and many areas of my life. I have witnessed how He has answered my prayers, touched and transformed me.

The 3 minutes youtube video below by Billy Graham basically sums up what I believe in. People from the worldly world get the most famous misconception that Christianity is just a religion. It is MORE than that. It is about having a RELATIONSHIP with GOD. I never expected my life to change… being released from the bondages and darkness of this world and living in the light. Definitely not some new-age theology or my own willpower could help me overcome my bondages and sins (They say only time heals. Incorrect. Only God heals). I am not perfect. Nobody is perfect. We are all born sinners. Please don't look at me, for I am just another human like you too. Look towards God. I am saved, ONLY by God's grace and mercy. All Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ!!

God will bless you and your desires in your heart. Seek Him. Seek first the Kingdom of God.

Thank you for reading. God bless you.


From a Child of God,
Allan Phang
P/S: Thank you to all the pastors from Glad Tidings PJ and every brother and sister in Christ whom have came into my life.


Please watch this video by Billy Graham. Your life might never be the same again…

http://youtu.be/inLmaG6qR7E (3 mins)
http://youtu.be/Lai-HnqoIN8 (3 mins)
http://youtu.be/MIqRH1XBw5M (41 mins)

To know more about Jesus Christ, the Living God, please contact your nearest church. God bless.

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 26 2012, 02:46 PM)
beautiful , pehkay. Early CHurch Father's writing, u really do your research and reading! I enjoy your sharing, keep it coming. For I have no time myself to ECF writings, let alone Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica, St Augustine and Augustine of Hippo's..
yes, that we are made firstborns !!!  thumbup.gif

I remembered you wrote and I saved it to memo:
Funny how I read on facebook one of our brother writing 'What if I can show u God became unholy ONCE'

and he quoted:

Misconception: Christ was born to take our sins upon Himself ... in fact.
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True. thumbup.gif The Bible is very careful about this matter. If the Bible contained only John 1:14, we might think that He became a sinful person. But the Bible also contains Romans 8:3, which says that God sent His Son “in the likeness of the flesh of sin.” Christ became flesh, but He was only in the likeness of the flesh of sin. There was no sin in His flesh. He had only the likeness, not the sinful nature, of the flesh. Paul composed this phrase of three words: likeness, flesh, and sin. To say only flesh of sin would indicate sinful flesh. Moreover, Paul does not say that God sent His Son in the likeness of the flesh and stop there. He adds “of sin.” Likeness denotes strongly that Christ’s humanity does not have sin, but still that His humanity was in some way related to sin.

In another verse, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Paul says that Christ “did not know sin.” This means that He had no sin.

Yet, like you mentioned, 2 Corinthians 5:21 also says that this One who had no sin was made sin by God. Our mentality cannot understand this. If the Scriptures were not written this way, it would seem heretical to say that Christ was made sin; but Christ was made sin for us as our full substitute. If this had not happened, we could not have been saved. “Him who did not know sin He made sin on our behalf.” The One whom God made sin knew no sin.

This matter is portrayed in the Old Testament in the type of the brass serpent, described in Numbers 21. When the children of Israel sinned against God, they were bitten by serpents and were dying. Moses looked to God for them, and God told him to make a brass serpent and lift it up on a pole. Whoever looked upon that brass serpent would live, and many did (vv. 6-9).

Then in John 3 the Lord Jesus talked to Nicodemus about regeneration. Nicodemus was a Bible teacher (v. 10) and taught the Old Testament, especially the Pentateuch. “Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter the second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” (v. 4). The Lord implied that if he could go back to his mother’s womb and be born again, he would still be flesh: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh” (v. 6). To be reborn is not to be born a second time of the flesh, but to be born ofthe Spirit. “That which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (v. 6).

Nicodemus wondered how these things could be. Then the Lord Jesus said to him in a rebuking tone, “You are the teacher of Israel, and you do not know these things?” (v. 10). He then referred Nicodemus to the record in Numbers 21: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life” (vv. 14-15).

This portrait clearly indicates that the brass serpent bears only the appearance, the likeness, of the serpent, but not its poisonous nature. This corresponds with Paul’s word “in the likeness of the flesh of sin.”

When Christ died on the cross, He was not only a Lamb in the eyes of God but also a serpent. Both these aspects of Christ are in John. John 1:29 refers to the Lamb of God, and John 3:14 refers to the Son of Man, Christ, lifted up like the brass serpent in the wilderness. When Christ, our Redeemer, was on the cross, on the one hand, He was the Lamb of God to take away our sin; on the other hand, He was also a serpent. The holy Word does tell us that when Christ died on the cross, in the eyes of God He was like a brass serpent.

In order to accomplish a full redemption, He as the Son of God became flesh. The Word became incarnate. John, though, did not say that the Word became a man; he said, “The Word became flesh.” By the time of the incarnation, flesh was a negative term. But we must be careful in saying this. A serpent surely is negative, but this serpent is a brass serpent. It bears only the appearance of a serpent; it does not have its nature. Do you think that when Christ was made sin He had a sinful nature? Absolutely not! This is why Paul qualifies his word by saying, “who did not know sin.” Even though He was made sin by God, He had no sin in Him and He knew no sin. Our Lord is a wonderful Redeemer. The Bible tells us God became a man in the likeness of fallen and sinful flesh.

Re: ECF
Well ... how to put it ... er ... I am not really familiar with ECF writings that much. Personally, that only thing I can affirm from the writing is on the truth of deification, which is, lost among the Western Christianity. The reformation's (Luther) radical departure from tradition as source of authority in the church cast a dark shadow over the majority of the previous writings on the church and brought them over intense suspicion. But, it is not his intent (or ours) to "throw the baby out with the bath water".

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The power of singing



Good Morning Fellow in Christ,

Just want to share something that will help you in your journey with God.

Today I'm taking lesson from the Book of Isaiah.


Isaiah 54 (NIV)
Sing, O barren woman,
you who never bore a child
burst into song, shout for joy
you who were never in labor
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband


This barren woman represent any kind of barrenness in your life.

It is not about infertile woman.

It is a picture of lack.

So what do you do when you're down with lack and unproductivity?

God says Sing. smile.gif

Singing songs of praise and worship and shouting for joy will put forth your Faith in motion to God's favor.

Singing and shouting for joy will cause your day to change for the better because it is part of spiritual warfare.

God moves when Faith abounds. God has designed singing as instrumental to your soul's joy and uplifting.

It is only when you're uplifted, your faith will see beyond the problems that seems insurmountable.

Because you will see that singing can even help you to know that God is with you.

If you continue to see the following verse in Isaiah 54

It says

in verse 4
Do not be afraid; you will not suffer shame.
Do not fear disgrace; you will not be humiliated.

in verse 5
For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer
he is called the God of all the earth.

in verse 10
Though the mountains be shaken
and the hills be removed,
yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken
nor my covenant of peace be removed,”
says the Lord, who has compassion on you.

in verse 17
no weapon forged against you will prevail,

All these starts with you singing. smile.gif

Hope this will bless your day.


God Bless.



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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Belated Blessed Christmas to everyone in here! smile.gif

I shared this earlier in another thread but I guessed I posted in the incorrect thread (or maybe God sent me there to awake the souls of others). I just found out there is a LYN Christian Fellowship V6 (Group) from one of the fellow members in here. And here I am. Thank God for sending me a messenger smile.gif
Would like to share with everyone my life-changing testimony that God changed me and came into my life. If you don't believe it, I don't mind. You may choose to mock me, or call me a liar, or maybe I need mental psychiatric help (tanjong rambutan), or maybe I am telling the truth...? You may share your own testimony too. smile.gif

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Stand your Ground Part 1 (Spiritual Warfare)

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Ephesians 6:13(NIV)
Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.



Do you know, Jesus has given us weapon and armour for attacking as well as protection?

Against what you might ask?

Many times we've forgotten, our battle is not against people, but against spiritual principalities. (Ephesians 6:12)

Say what?

Yes. I believe, the very first law of cause and effect always come from the spiritual realm. Or Heavenly realm so to speak. It's never the physical realm that's the cause. What happens in the spiritual realm have implication in the physical realm. It all starts from there.

I realize, ever since I got myself active along with all my brothers in arm (no sisters yet) to actively uphold our Christian fellowship for this whole year, there have been an increase in attack from other quarters as well. Just last week, there's so many threads ridiculing and mocking Christianity and God. RWI is no exception. It's the epitome of mockery.

And it's no surprise because the devil (as usual) does not want people to know who God is. I believe it was he who incited this provocative retaliation. So that people would push God aside through misunderstanding, ignorance and hatred.

So I believe it's only right that all my friends in here know what to do in a spiritual warfare. To fight back, God's way. It is not our responsibility to answer every critic we see on the internet but to seek God and the things of his kingdom so that we grow and be victorious in shinning the light of the gospel unto this dark world. To do that we must know what we have in Christ, our arsenal. When you cut through the evil one in the spiritual realm, likewise the victory will have implication in the natural and physical world as well.

In the Book of Ephesians 6:10-18 talks about our armoury just like modern warfare, only this is the real deal. It's power will cut deep into the enemies territory.

Each piece of Armour mentioned is actually a teaching by itself. It is not per say, an armour which you can pray for to be covered with, Like God's hedge of protection (book of Job) or the blood of Jesus. But you get covered by practising it's principle.

1. The very first piece is the Belt of Truth. (Ephesians 6:14). The belt holds your other armour in place, without it, everything drops. What is the belt of truth? God's word is the belt of truth. You must be established in the word of God. For by it, you will know what is the truth and what are lies and deceit. The Bible also mention Jesus is the truth. (John 14:6) It is interesting to know that grace is a partner to Truth (John 1:17) Jesus makes it so clear in John 8:31-32, that if you continue in the word of God, you will know the truth and it will set you free. So make it a point to read God's word everyday and have this desire to be established in God's word, It will hold all the pieces together and you will be able to stand!

2. The second piece is the Breastplate of Righteousness. I've given so many devotion on righteousness, by now you should know, The new covenant Righteousness is no longer your righteousness but Jesus's righteousness. You must be established by the fact it is Jesus's obedience that makes you righteous not yours. (Romans 5:19) Because when you fall or fail or sin, know that you've been justified by the grace and gift of righteousness not by your works of righteousness. So stand tall. When you are established in knowing this, all the flaming darts of condemnation and guilt cannot hurt you because it will bounce off God's righteousness which He freely gives you. Satan cannot accuse you when it is God who justify. But if you try to come to God through your own obedience or your own effort, Satan will make mince meat out of you because there is no grace through the old testament law. So make sure you know whose righteousness is your breastplate.

3. The third piece is the shoe of the Gospel of Peace. What is this shoe all about? My revelation from God's spirit is this. Walk in peace.
The bible says be anxious for nothing (Philippians 4:6), Do not worry (Matthew 6:25), Let not your heart be troubled (John 14:27). Don't let anything worry or upset you. Colossians 3:15 says Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts. The word rule here has the same meaning as umpire. Let the peace of Jesus, govern your heart. Help you to make decisions with it. When you are established in Jesus's shalom or peace, then as in the passage of Isaiah, (It is interesting to note) in Isaiah 52:7 that says How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace. It is as if God is saying, when you are walking in peace, God will lift you up in High places as on mountains firm and established. And how beautiful it is for those who walk in peace. The devil cannot harassed peaceful Christians. He will just leave you and find others to attack.

There are 3 more pieces (Shield, Helmet and Sword) to be continued.......

I will explained more as well to the meaning of "stand" in the next Part 2.


God Bless.














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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 25 2012, 02:55 PM)
hello dear Bro!!!! Welcome back!!!! merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! thumbup.gif

and yes, His Birthday is on Dec 25th after calculations, there are also Youtube videos about it that I can share if anyone wants to know.

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Its too cold for the shepherds to be put in the field in Dec for one.

25th Dec has no prophetic significance.......... biggrin.gif
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Stand your Ground Part 1 (Spiritual Warfare)
Do you know, Jesus has given us weapon and armour for attacking as well as protection?

Against what you might ask?

Many times we've forgotten, our battle is not against people, but against spiritual principalities. (Ephesians 6:12)

Say what?

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I will explained more as well to the meaning of "stand" in the next Part 2.
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what is the difference between Methodist church and Christ of Church?. Is it the same?
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what is the difference between Methodist church and Christ of Church?. Is it the same?
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It's the largest denomination after Catholics.

They have a bishop who ordained pastors and they rotate pastors all over the country.

Doctrine wise, I don't see the difference.

Main Methodist style of worship perhaps a bit old fashioned.

But DUMC is pretty contemporary. Like Hillsong.
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This is another good song.



YOU ARE MY FATHER

Verse 1:
It doesn't matter where I run, You're there for me
It doesn't matter what I've done Your love's for me
You wipe away the tears, You lift me when I fall
My life is safe by the mercy of Your grace

Verse 2:
It doesn't matter where I go, You walk with me
It doesn't matter when I fall, You cover me
You wipe away the tears, You lift me when I fall
My life is safe by the mercy of Your grace

Chorus:
You are my Father, Provider
You're my Deliverer
Your mercies embrace me, surround me
Through Your everlasting love
Father I worship You
Father I worship You

And Your love is for me
And Your love is for me
And Your love is forever
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 12:50 AM)
It's the largest denomination after Catholics.

They have a bishop who ordained pastors and they rotate pastors all over the country.

Doctrine wise, I don't see the difference.

Main Methodist style of worship perhaps a bit old fashioned.

But DUMC is pretty contemporary. Like Hillsong.
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you can't really say that they are old fashioned, Methodist is divided into 5 different conference the main Conferences is Chinese Annual Conference(CAC) followed by Tamil Methodist Conference(TAC) and Trinity Annual Conference(TRIAC) these 3 are the main Conference body in Peninsular Malaysia.

(TRIAC) is the most active one the style of worship is mainly comptemporary as they have more youth under in their services

while CAC is mainly old fashioned as many said due to their roots as CAC and TAC is the oldest conference in Malaysia, yet also because many of their lay leader are mostly chinese educated more of senior member above 50 years old but recently many churches under CAC banner has changed their worship style to be more comptemporary.........
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 12:50 AM)
It's the largest denomination after Catholics.

They have a bishop who ordained pastors and they rotate pastors all over the country.

Doctrine wise, I don't see the difference.

Main Methodist style of worship perhaps a bit old fashioned.

But DUMC is pretty contemporary. Like Hillsong.
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So means what?. As I know, Christian & Catholic have different believes, hence christian church & catholic church is totally different. So is it the same for Christian church & Methodist church? I'm new and looking for church and thinking to go for DUMC. I've saw many categories of church :-
1) Catholic church
2) Church of christ
3) Baptist church
4) Methodist Church
4) Some no category (as in they dint note is baptist or methodist, etc)


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QUOTE(WhiteBlackKey @ Dec 29 2012, 11:09 AM)
So means what?. As I know, Christian & Catholic have different believes, hence christian church & catholic church is totally different.  So is it the same for Christian church & Methodist church? I'm new and looking for church and thinking to go for DUMC. I've saw many categories of church :-
1) Catholic church
2) Church of christ
3) Baptist church
4) Methodist Church
4) Some no category (as in they dint note is baptist or methodist, etc)
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catholic church is theology is way much different from Protestant as they believe in Mary also that Pope and all his minister has the power to forgive sin

Church of Christ i do not know much about it, from what i heard they are a cult church.....

methodist and Baptist church are under protestant churches just that their theology is different
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QUOTE(WhiteBlackKey @ Dec 29 2012, 11:09 AM)
So means what?. As I know, Christian & Catholic have different believes, hence christian church & catholic church is totally different.  So is it the same for Christian church & Methodist church? I'm new and looking for church and thinking to go for DUMC. I've saw many categories of church :-
1) Catholic church
2) Church of christ
3) Baptist church
4) Methodist Church
4) Some no category (as in they dint note is baptist or methodist, etc)
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Why yes, Methodist are protestant group.

DUMC is okay. biggrin.gif

quite happening.

I mean quite active.

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Saw on History channel during Christmas, very interesting, it is about after Jesus's risen from death and remaining days in earth before ascend to heaven.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79j9ei4Cb24

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hello fren
hmm i curious about are you all walk from house 2 house to spread the christian or to join Sunday early morning? last time at Uni i have join before because i too shy to reject it as got pretty girl invite me go.

So today at my house also have some people taking some book and wonder around here. well we just ignored it because i know when we go talk with them, they will talk alot.
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hello fren
hmm i curious about are you all walk from house 2 house to spread the christian or to join Sunday early morning? last time at Uni i have join before because i too shy to reject it as got pretty girl invite me go.

So today at my house also have some people taking some book and wonder around here. well we just ignored it because i know when we go talk with them, they will talk alot.
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they are so called christian but on fact they are not christian but more like a cult group, as you can notice they would normally dress either in black or carry a black umbrella, and selling some small booklets
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 29 2012, 07:54 PM)
they are so called christian but on fact they are not christian but more like a cult group, as you can notice they would normally dress either in black or carry a black umbrella, and selling some small booklets
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only casual clothes. really not what cult.
is a bapist christian, my grandma go see and and say no time with them and they give a brochure about tmrw morning go church see event. and have a tea time chat time .

well i have attended 1 day during college time, i go and they pray and sing then introduce ownself and make fren. have tea time and talk about bible and jesus life. many to go~~~
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good day all brother n sister here,

what is ur plan on this new year eve? mine is sit back at home and watch the fireworks with my wife.. how bout u all?
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sit at home do usual stuff
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sit at home do usual stuff
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as usual rainy day.
every year same..

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 29 2012, 05:20 PM)
hello fren
hmm i curious about are you all walk from house 2 house to spread the christian or to join Sunday early morning? last time at Uni i have join before because i too shy to reject it as got pretty girl invite me go.

So today at my house also have some people taking some book and wonder around here. well we just ignored it because i know when we go talk with them, they will talk alot.
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I don't believe in that.

Walking house to house.

Can share anywhere when there's a prompting in the heart.

Could be you're in the middle of something or walking to somewhere and your eyes are brought to the attention of someone.

Or in the middle of conversation with somebody, then suddenly there's a prompting in the heart to share.




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good day all brother n sister here,

what is ur plan on this new year eve? mine is sit back at home and watch the fireworks with my wife.. how bout u all?
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Attend watchnight service at DUMC
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 09:57 PM)
I don't believe in that.

Walking house to house.

Can share anywhere when there's a prompting in the heart.

Could be you're in the middle of something or walking to somewhere and your eyes are brought to the attention of someone.

Or in the middle of conversation with somebody, then suddenly there's a prompting in the heart to share.
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ic you no believe.
today i just ignore and sit at home do my stuff, my grandma saw them and just talk. then grandma told me is the baptist church ask interest joining tmrw event not. Like that only.
i have encounter 3 time, the time at Uni life i stay at room and some1 shouting at outside, so i go see and saw 1 guy like lecturer 2 girl 1 boy. so i just open door let them in and they start talking about my life and how my life are doing. I notice they are christian until they mention "god" willing to share problem with all people. So i just simply talk with them then they give me a small paper too and asking interest join on wednesday night talk about a story. So i just say yes only. and they give me a book teach about life and go next house.

ok so how i notice they are from christian? other is because my coursemate is a christian and join them too.


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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 29 2012, 09:08 PM)
ic you no believe.
today i just ignore and sit at home do my stuff, my grandma saw them and just talk. then grandma told me is the baptist church ask interest joining tmrw event not. Like that only.
i have encounter 3 time, the time at Uni life i stay at room and some1 shouting at outside, so i go see and saw 1 guy like lecturer 2 girl 1 boy. so i just open door let them in and they start talking about my life and how my life are doing. I notice they are christian until they mention "god" willing to share problem with all people. So i just simply talk with them then they give me a small paper too and asking interest join on wednesday night talk about a story. So i just say yes only. and they give me a book teach about life and go next house.

ok so how i notice they are from christian? other is because my coursemate is a christian and join them too.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 10:46 PM)
I see you're quite bless that God has open your heart.  smile.gif
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so now u believe smile.gif
may the god bless u
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QUOTE(Brusky @ Dec 29 2012, 01:40 PM)
Saw on History channel during Christmas, very interesting, it is about after Jesus's risen from death and remaining days in earth before ascend to heaven.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79j9ei4Cb24
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There's irrefutable evidence that Jesus did exist and walk in history.

Too many to deny. Sorry to say this, but anyone who deny his existence is really ignorant.

I believe why 40 days after the resurrection, is to restore faith to his people.

For 40 days He was tested by the devil in the wilderness. And not all the testing incidents was recorded, only 3. I believe it was more.

He was tested by the enemy so that we understand why Jesus can sympathise with us. At the end of the 40 days, I believe Jesus was severely taxed in the body and become hungry. It was a period of short and momentary darkness for the son of God to be allowed to go through this trial.


Likewise, after the resurrection, Jesus walked for 40 days restoring back Faith unto his people who had witnessed his cruxification.

Why 40 and 40?

40 Prior to the cross with the devil, He was severely tested.

40 after the cross, He was gloriously restored and now with his people administrating Faith.

Because the barrier is broken. smile.gif

I said the barrier to God is broken!

Amen.

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post Dec 29 2012, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Dec 29 2012, 08:05 PM)
only casual clothes. really not what cult.
is a bapist christian, my grandma go see and and say no time with them and they give a brochure about tmrw morning go church see event. and have a tea time chat time .

well i have attended 1 day during college time, i go and they pray and sing then introduce ownself and make fren. have tea time and talk about bible and jesus life. many to go~~~
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i don't think it is baptist. Those going around one are Jehovah Witnesses usually. Its a cult. Yes, they believe in Jesus and all but they are obligated to go envangelise or smth to get to heaven. but once finish the requirement then u are free. smth like tat baa. o.o
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 29 2012, 10:24 PM)
i don't think it is baptist. Those going around one are Jehovah Witnesses usually. Its a cult. Yes, they believe in Jesus and all but they are obligated to go envangelise or smth to get to heaven. but once finish the requirement then u are free. smth like tat baa. o.o
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No la, nothing to do like that, just based on their belief that door to door evangelism is the most effective.

I admire them, they're quite brave. How many Christians dare go door to door? Most shy shy wan.
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 29 2012, 10:24 PM)
i don't think it is baptist. Those going around one are Jehovah Witnesses usually. Its a cult. Yes, they believe in Jesus and all but they are obligated to go envangelise or smth to get to heaven. but once finish the requirement then u are free. smth like tat baa. o.o
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We don't know if they are.

But I know,

Jehovah witness do not believe in Jesus Christ.


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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 29 2012, 11:24 PM)
i don't think it is baptist. Those going around one are Jehovah Witnesses usually. Its a cult. Yes, they believe in Jesus and all but they are obligated to go envangelise or smth to get to heaven. but once finish the requirement then u are free. smth like tat baa. o.o
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QUOTE(lycaphim @ Dec 29 2012, 11:35 PM)
No la, nothing to do like that, just based on their belief that door to door evangelism is the most effective.

I admire them, they're quite brave. How many Christians dare go door to door? Most shy shy wan.
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thumbup.gif nod.gif yup they really brave. i not as brave as them too

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 11:35 PM)
We don't know if they are.

But I know,

Jehovah witness do not believe in Jesus Christ.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 10:35 PM)
Jehovah witness do not believe in Jesus Christ.
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Eh, they do.
They even believe Jesus is the Christ, and a Son of God.
Just that they have different definition of what "god" is.

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QUOTE(toda_III @ Dec 29 2012, 10:44 PM)
Eh, they do.
They even believe Jesus is the Christ, and a Son of God.
Just that they have different definition of what "god" is.
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yup! they dun believe Christ is the way to heaven, they just think Jesus is another high priest. and they dun believe in hell. o.o just wiki-ed it. o.o
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QUOTE(toda_III @ Dec 29 2012, 10:44 PM)
Eh, they do.
They even believe Jesus is the Christ, and a Son of God.
Just that they have different definition of what "god" is.
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They believe Jesus is a direct creation of God the Father. They don't believe in the Holy Trinity.

And their emphasis is very much back to God the Father as the single God.

This is what I mean.
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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Dec 29 2012, 10:49 PM)
yup! they dun believe Christ is the way to heaven, they just think Jesus is another high priest. and they dun believe in hell. o.o just wiki-ed it. o.o
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Actually they do. But a lot is not according to scripture.

They believe Jesus is a redeemer but rose as in the form of spirit.

The Bible is very clear, Jesus rose with his resurrected body.

That's the contradiction.

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What if we say wrongly when we pray? Can god read our mind? What we are actually requesting for?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 10:09 PM)
There's irrefutable evidence that Jesus did exist and walk in history.

Too many to deny. Sorry to say this, but anyone who deny his existence is really ignorant.

I believe why 40 days after the resurrection, is to restore faith to his people.

For 40 days He was tested by the devil in the wilderness. And not all the testing incidents was recorded, only 3. I believe it was more.

He was tested by the enemy so that we understand why Jesus can sympathise with us. At the end of the 40 days, I believe Jesus was severely taxed in the body and become hungry.  It was a period of short and momentary darkness for the son of God to be allowed to go through this trial.
Likewise, after the resurrection, Jesus walked for 40 days restoring back Faith unto his people who had witnessed his cruxification.

Why 40 and 40?

40 Prior to the cross with the devil, He was severely tested.

40 after the cross, He was gloriously restored and now with his people administrating Faith.

Because the barrier is broken.  smile.gif

I said the barrier to God is broken!

Amen.
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The part Jesus appears in front of Thomas and reassure him that He is Jesus and he risen from death is truly awe inspiring. Happen to me before when I was at time lost faith.

There was part about shroud of Turin, what your take on that? seems like there was an error in carbon 14 dating, it seems it be older then estimated around 15th century.

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Dec 29 2012, 11:00 PM)
What if we say wrongly when we pray? Can god read our mind? What we are actually requesting for?
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ha why not? Of course God can read mind. biggrin.gif

Matthew 9:4 (NIV)
Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, "Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 11:29 PM)
ha why not? Of course God can read mind.  biggrin.gif

Matthew 9:4 (NIV)
Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, "Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?
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Also:

ROMANS 8:26 -
In certain ways we are weak, but the Spirit is here to help us. For example, when we don't know what to pray for, the Spirit prays for us in ways that cannot be put into words.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 11:29 PM)
ha why not? Of course God can read mind.  biggrin.gif

Matthew 9:4 (NIV)
Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, "Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?
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Then why the need to pray? Sorry, my christian knowledge very low.
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QUOTE(Brusky @ Dec 29 2012, 11:14 PM)
The part Jesus appears in front of Thomas and reassure him that He is Jesus and he risen from death is truly awe inspiring. Happen to me before when I was at time lost faith.

There was part about shroud of Turin, what your take on that? seems like there was an error in carbon 14 dating, it seems it be older then estimated around 15th century.
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I'm more interest in the part where group of scientist said after their findings, the image on the shroud of turin could only be created by some form of electromagnetic energy which is highly unlikely a forger could have done it in the middle ages. As Such, they denounce forgery which IMO only lead to authenticity. smile.gif

It's authentic bro.

radio carbon is not the least of the worry.


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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Dec 29 2012, 11:37 PM)
Then why the need to pray? Sorry, my christian knowledge very low.
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You mean why need to pray with your vocal chord as against in the mind?

Do you know that God accepts both as prayers? Don't succumb to self condemn or guilt.

You can pray in both ways. God's spirit in you, hears your thoughts, isn't that cool?

In the old Testament, Hannah prayed without voicing it out but yet God answered her prayers. (1 Samuel 1:13)

But if you vocalised your prayer, I believe you can string better sentences and more coherent thoughts.

And one more reason for vocalising it is because according to Proverbs 18:21

The power to bless or to curse is in the tongue.

When you issue prayers vocally, great things happen.

It has to do with the spiritual realm.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 29 2012, 11:46 PM)
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QUOTE(lycaphim @ Dec 29 2012, 11:34 PM)
Also:

ROMANS 8:26 -
In certain ways we are weak, but the Spirit is here to help us. For example, when we don't know what to pray for, the Spirit prays for us in ways that cannot be put into words.
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Ah yes, I believe God got all our base covered.

Sometimes, we don't know what to say or how to pray correctly but the Holy Spirit knows exactly how, when He pray, it's always perfect prayer because it's always according to the will of God.

God's word promise whenever a prayer is in the will of God, God answers.

Praying in the spirit is very-very powerful.

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Dear All,

I am a normal joe just like everyone else out there. I believe there are others out there like me who faced similar problems and bondages, and I would like to share how God helped me overcome those problems and struggles in my life. Below i will talk about my sex addiction, alcohol addiction, drug addiction, bondages of the world, dabbling with the occult - Freemasons, etc). I could never have overcome all of this alone. All glory to God!! smile.gif

You won't find the following in-depth testimony written by me below anywhere else on the internet. Why did I bother typing all this, I also don't know. Nobody instructed me to type out all this and share it. Maybe God? I hope it will help those who is in need of help, especially those with problems and struggles in your life. Those who feel they have a perfect life, please stop reading this. My writing might seem ridiculous to you. smile.gif


My purpose of being in here in this religion thread:
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Part 1 - Sharing the Good News

Part 2 - Sharing the Good News - Why can't we stop death? Adam & Eve

Part 3 - Sharing the Good News - Why is there evil on earth? Who Is Satan?: What Does the Bible Say About the Devil?

Part 4 - Sharing the Good News - Who is Jesus Christ?


Part 5 - Sharing the Good News - Unresolved Bondages and Deliverance

Before I accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour, I had no idea or clue about this at all:- Unresolved Bondages and Deliverance

Little did I know there is more than meets the eye. "What you don't see, you don't believe. When there is no proof, you don't believe". This is the understanding of the worldly world. In fact, I began to realise and understand that the spiritual world is more real than the "what you see world". What you are about to read below is my personal true account. These are details that Satan, the devil and the world of darkness and evil forces do not want you to read (ever!)


This is my personal account of my testimony on the bondages I personally faced and experienced deliverance. All thanks and glory to God !!

deliverance (dictionary meaning)
1) The action of being rescued or set free: "prayers for deliverance".
2) A formal or authoritative utterance.
3) The act of delivering or the condition of being delivered.
4) Rescue from bondage or danger.


Have you heard of this below?

"My boyfriend cheated on me. My girlfriend cheated on me. My wife cheated on me. My husband cheated on me", having affairs (single men with married women, single women with married men, married women with married men, girlfriend cheating on boyfriend, boyfriend cheating on girlfriend, etc.).

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Unresolved Bondages and Deliverance:

Note: Think back over your past as far back as you can remember and mark any of these things that you have practised, been involved in or experienced. In order to be fully released from your struggles, everything must be brought out into the light. If anything is hidden (do not hide), then neither the help of God nor human counsel can be forthcoming.

Are you walking in the darkness or walking in the light?

Walking in the Light

Word of God:
"This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John: 5-9)

"To reject the law is to praise the wicked; to obey the law is to fight them." (Proverbs 28:4)



Deliverance Checklist (this is not the full list):

Worship Problems:
Bible reading
Church attendance
Prayer

Occult Involvement:
Adopted by gods
Ancestral worship
Idol worship
Consult medium
Fortune telling
Palm tarot reading
Astrology/ Horoscope
Charms
Qui Ka (blood sucking foetus)
Name changed
Fantasy role-playing games
Tit sin / Ouija
Other occult games
Seance
Spirit possession
Satan worship
Witchcraft
Sorcery
Spells
Meditation
Mind Control
Transcendental Meditation
Astral Travel
Automatic writing
Chanting
E.S.P
Religious objects
Satanically inspired music
Vows

False religions / Cult
Freemasonary
New Age
Others

Alternative Medicine
Channelling
Crystal healing
Homeopathy
Iridology
Others

Relationship Difficulties
With Parents:-
abused
dominated / manipulated
rejected
discriminated against siblings
With siblings
With spouse
With in-laws
With children
With relatives
With friends

Emotional Problems
Anxiety
Doubts
Fears
Worry
Concentration
Confusion
Day dreams
Delusions
Depression
Difficulty giving / receiving love
Guilt complex
Insecurity
Mood swing
Persecution complex
Self-pity
Self-rejection
Suicide attempt / thoughts
Hallucinations
Memory loss
Mental treatment
Nightmares
Past traumas
Trances
Voices within

Areas of sin
Unforgiveness
Bitterness
Hatred
Resentment
Anger
Cruelty
Violence
Aggression
Argumentative
Criticism
Cursing / Swearing
Gossip
Lying / deceitfulness
Quarelling
Coveting
Disobedience
False humility
Frustration
Impatience
Irritability
Jealousy
Laziness
Pride / arrogance
Self-righteous

Addiction / Compulsion
Alcohol
Drugs
Eating
Gambling
Hand washing
Smoking
Spending
Stealing
Others

Physical Problems
Allergies
Anorexia / Bulimia
Arthitis
Asthma
Dizziness
Epilepsy
Gynecological
Hereditary
Headaches
Pains
Sinus
Sleeplessness / sedatives
Stress / tired
Undiagnosable sickness
Others

Sexual Impurity
Abortion
Adultery
Fornication
Incest
Relationship between similar genders
Lust
Pornography
Molestation
Rape
Bestiality


All the above-mentioned are some of the bondages of this world. We are all born sinners. We are not born to sin, but we are born with sin. I have experienced some of them and I'm sure many people out there (especially the Malaysian youths and young adults) may have gone through similar or even more than me.

I would like to share my experience and how I managed to overcome the following bondages below with God's help, grace and mercy.

1) Sex addiction (pornography, visiting vice dens / brothels, freelancers / escorts)
2) Alcohol addiction / clubbing / rave / party like a rockstar (drink until drunk)
3) Gambling addiction (casinos, lottery, 4D, "mah kei", etc)
4) Drug addiction (ecstasy, bong, "fai cai", cocaine, heroine, etc)
5) Occult - Freemasons (indirectly involved)


1) Sex addiction
It started off with watching pornography on the internet. Then it wasn't enough. I was going out of control. I used to visit those vice dens / brothels / unhealthy karaokes in KL and around the world. I even ordered foreign freelancers/escorts when they came to Malaysia. In KL, some of the popular vice dens treated me like a VIP (that's how regular I was). I would even get sms on the latest "stock" arrivals and FR (field report - BJ, CIM, etc). Let me tell you this, I believe that the urban male community (approx. 8 out of 10) have visited these places before. Have you visited? Only God knows. When I enter those places, it is packed with guys, like a "shopping mall on year-end sale". To name a few places in KL; S*yrver, S*boon, E*, 3 star hotels, etc. After a while, it was boring as it was too easy. I needed the thrill of chasing - after a girl. That's when I started to hit the club scene.

There are so many people out there committing adultery (guys and gals). Be it prostitution, or having affairs. The belief is that "It's OK cause everyone is doing it". And "as long as i don't get caught by my wife / husband / boyfriend / girlfriend, it's alright". Then there are those that give the reasoning: "what's wrong with it? It's legal in some countries; Holland, Thailand, Singapore, etc. It's good for the economy, etc". That's exactly what the power of darkness wants you to believe. I thank God, being given a second chance at life to share this with others.


2) Alcohol addiction / clubbing / rave/ party like a rockstar
I used to to be addicted to drinking alcohol especially during my clubbing days and used to party like a rockstar in some of the most happening spots in the world with VIP treatment - Hollywood, Orange County (O.C) USA - (yes exactly like in the movies The O.C), KL, Singapore, Germany, Thailand, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia, etc. Also attended rave parties, etc. I even got drunk talking nonsense about politics and economics with an A-list Hollywood celebrity in Hollywood in a residence filled with A-List celebrities. I used to hit the clubs whenever I broke up in a relationship. Spending more money opening bottles, binge drinking (5 seconds, 10 seconds), and getting even more girls from the clubs. After accepting Christ, I realised that alcohol addiction is not good and can only get us into more trouble.

Explain why alcohol is good? "Allan, because it relieves me of stress and calms me down when I'm worried or face troubles with my boyfriend/girlfriend/work/husband/wife/etc". Another lie of the devil. Drinking is definitely not the solution to solving any stress and worries. You just get a hangover the next day and the cycle will continue on and on. Alcohol damages the liver and and can cause death (drink driving, etc.). Clubbing and raving, majority of the music you hear are all worshipping satanic forces. And the signs clubbers and ravers do are all worshipping satan (esp. all those photos you see of clubbers). Unfortunately, they have no idea what they are doing. I am thankful to God that I've stopped worshipping satanic and the forces of darkness:

Hand signals worshipping Satan
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Now, I don't need alcohol to de-stress me. I give all my worries to God now. I do the praying, and trust that He takes care of all my worries be it big or small. If the worries are solved, I give all my thanks to God. If the worries are not solved, I still give thanks and it means God has his reason and other plans for me.

Word of God:

"Give all your worries and cares to God, for he cares about you." (1 Peter 5:7)

For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)

"Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you who belong to Christ Jesus." (1 Thessalonians 5:18)



3) Gambling addiction
I used to buy lottery tickets, 4D, gambling in casinos, "mah kei", etc. Gamble on football, gamble on almost everything and anything possible!


4) Drug addiction
I am thankful to God that I did not have to experience heroine and cocaine addiction like some cases you hear in the newspapers. But that doesn't mean bong and "fai cai" and ecstasy are not a drug. I used to be a social drug user, ie during raves and full moon parties.


5) Occult - Freemasons
I was previously indirectly involved with the Freemasons. I won't go into details. They say "A picture is worth a thousand words". Here's one:

Picture taken on 30th Dec. 2012 @ 1.30am:
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Freemasons in Malaysia:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...49415&sec=focus
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...02342&sec=focus


Wow! I felt on top of the world back then, doing all the things of this world (and some that most people could only dream of)....until God came into my life. I woke up one day realising money, girls, fame, fortune and status, is not everything in this world. Yes I've done charity work before. I used to be involved with Leo Clubs, Circle-K (Kiwanis Down's Syndrome), etc. I felt my life was no longer fulfilling. Physically I felt fulfilled by the pleasures of this world. Spiritually I felt a total zero (Even though I do good works and deeds and help people out). Am I gonna wake up and live the rest of my life and die a life chasing and enjoying material wealth, girls, money, fame, fortune, power and status in this life? That same week, I went to church (April 15th, 2012) and accepted Christ as my Lord and Saviour. All my close friends were indeed culture-shocked. 180 degree life-changing. No more swear words coming out from my mouth, all the above bondages and more, etc. I feel peace and joy in my life now. Not afraid of dying anymore. Living a meaningful life. Why? Because I know the TRUTH.

I am really happy to be freed from all these bondages. I give thanks and all glory goes to God!!

Word of God:

"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32)


"When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God." (Galatians 5: 19-21)

"But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another." (Galatians 5:22-26)


Important:
I am not a saint. All the above can happen to both believers and non-believers as well. Doesn't mean you are Christian that you are "protected" from all this. Temptations are always there till we die. It's how strong our walk with God which will enable us to flee from it. If you think you can withstand all the temptations with your own willpower and without God's help, Satan and the devil will prove you wrong.


Summary:

1) God saved me from the darkness and bondages of this world.


2) We can make the most important decision of our life. The choice to believe or not to believe in Jesus Christ. Not even the decision of getting married, having kids, choosing your girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife is as important as this.

Word of God:

"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life." (John 3:16)

"Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)



3) Please do also google the following below for further knowledge on the spiritual realm related to the above bondages (These spirits are very real! If you think it's a lie, you have a choice to continue living believing that it is a lie. I have already shared this. That is the best I can do):

- Incubus and Succubus Demons
- Jezebel Spirit
- Principalities and Powers
- Soul Ties
- Generational Curses


4) Nobody told me to share all this in here. Not my friends, not my family, not my pastor, nor my church. I just felt like sharing, coming sincerely from my heart on how God changed my life. And I'm not proud at all, but instead grateful and happy to share it. I speak humbly before God.


Thank you for reading. It is not by accident, coincidence or fate that you are reading this.


Everything mentioned in here has to be made cross-referenced with the Word of God. This is to discern from the truth and those not of the truth.


Dear God,

I pray that those whom are reading this that You will open their spiritual eyes. Word of God: "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32). And that by Your grace and mercy, you come into their lives and touch their heart and lives. I come humbly before you God in sharing the Good News and the Word of God. Anyone who understands from the sharing in here is not by my own doing or works. For all glory goes to you God!! Word of God: "For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires." (Hebrews 4:12). In Jesus most precious name I pray, Amen.




Thanks and God bless you,
Allan



GOD changed my life. All Glory to GOD !! - Allan Phang's Testimony:
http://christianitymalaysia.com/wp/glory-god-allan-phang/

3 minutes to know how God changed my life
http://youtu.be/inLmaG6qR7E

1000 youths from 20 countries worshipping God (PJ, Malaysia)
http://youtu.be/Do-3rxNRbo0

Bersama-mu. Indonesians worshipping God (Jakarta, Indonesia)
http://youtu.be/QcuonX33bnU

How Great Is Our God - worshipping God
http://youtu.be/2WdOPfao4KI

How Great Is Our God - worshipping God (World)
http://youtu.be/GyGD3zH9Xvc


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If you want proof and scientific evidence out from a laboratory to prove all this, I cannot do it and neither can the 2.2 billion people. That is why it is called FAITH. I can only say one thing is for certain; that God is real based on the lives he has touched and changed. And I am one of them. Thank you God for coming into my life. All glory goes to God!!

What is FAITH?

Dictionary.com:

Faith
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion.[/spoiler]
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wah so long article? sweat.gif

allow me to share this with you also.

Faith is not elusive.

It is the evidence of our God.

The Bible says Faith like this in

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

It is substance and evidence. Many people interpreted it as something elusive, cannot be proven. But my argument is this. If it cannot be proven, then it cannot have substance nor evidence.

What are the substance and evidence it's talking about?

The answer is this: Answered Prayers. The testimonies of Believers. They are all the substance and evidence of Faith. That means it is not something invisible nor a myth.

In your example, it's a change of lifestyle away from addiction. Sceptics will say anyone with a will of determination strong enough, can. Then challenge them back about your testimony from being freed from porn and alcohol addiction. Can they abstain from it without even trying?

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Hope this helps you.

God Bless.

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Stand your Ground Part 2 (Spiritual Warfare) - part 1 on pg 21

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Ephesians 6:13(NIV)
Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.


Before I continue to share on the last 3 armour pieces, I want to bring to your attention on the word stand.
If you go through Ephesians 6, the word stand is repeated 4 times. No small details is insignificant in the Bible.
If it's repeated, then The Holy Spirit is trying to tell us something.

Why is the word "stand" important? In a showdown between wars or battle, the last man standing is the victor.

But is this the right approach for us to spiritual warfare?

In Colossians 2:15, The Bible states that Jesus has disarmed the Devil. He has been defeated literally from having any power of the curse of sin.
The Devil has been disarmed and defeated at the cross.

So if you're Fighting in spiritual warfare, you're fighting from victory NOT for victory. Do you understand? It is based on the foundation of Colossians 2:15.

If you are trying to fight FOR victory, before you even start, the devil has defeated you. You will not get the answer to your prayer. ALWAYS fight from victory because Jesus has defeated the devil and his Sacrifice on the cross is a finished job. Not a half way complete job and you have to continue the work for Him to victory. Do you understand this?

That is why the word of God is so clear when it says stand 4 times, it's pointing to a stand from victory. When you pray or issues command in spiritual warfare, pray from the point that the devil IS ALREADY defeated. That is Faith.

The fourth piece is the Shield of Faith. What is this shield? There are many aspects in this teaching and I want to bring a few to your attention. If you see, Ephesians 6:16, it says there it can extinguished all the flaming arrows. What is the opposite of fire? Water. What symbolises water in the Bible? The Holy Spirit. Speaking in Tongues and praying in the spirit, symbolises the stream of living water (John 7:38). Praying in the spirit and speaking in tongues acts as your shield of Faith. This streams of living water can extinguish the flaming arrows of the enemy. What are the flaming arrows of the devil, Ephesian 6 is talking about? They are lies and deception of the enemy. What is one of the role of the Holy Spirit? He is the counsellor who will guide you into all Truth. See the relation?

And then there is Faith. The Bible is clear that without Faith, it is impossible to please God. I believe, it can also mean this. Without Faith, it's impossible to move God. But where does your Faith hangs on? Is it Faith in your Faith or Faith in Jesus's Faith? Ha this is a divine revelation.
if you put Faith in your Faith, it will be volatile and subject to variation. You will always feel you need to produce enough Faith. Jesus's Faith is always consistent. If you put Faith in Jesus's Faith, rest assured, the believing one (Jesus) will make all things possible. Amen.

The fifth piece is the Helmet of Salvation. What does the Helmet protect? Your Head which also symbolises, your mind. Why Salvation? Because your foundation of Salvation must be very well established. If you believe in an errornous doctrine that preaches shaky Salvation, that you are righteous only until your next sin, you will be an easy target for the devil. Why? Before you even enter into spiritual warfare, the devil may come to you and say you're a hypocrite. You have done this wrong or done that wrong or you have not done enough. And tell you even if you confessed your sins, you will only repeat it again in the near future. If you believe that lie, you are definitely defeated through condemnation and guilt The Bible is very clear that it is not your obedience that makes you righteous. It is your Faith and it is by grace, you have been made righteous. Romans 5:19 says very clearly, IT IS Jesus's obedience that makes you righteous. When you pull the focus away from your own obedience and trust ONLY Jesus's finished work (Jesus obedience and sacrifice) that makes you righteous, that devil has no hold over you. Do you know why? The devil cannot find Fault against Jesus. The Bible says our life is now Hidden in Christ Jesus. When your mind is well established that you are eternally saved, based not on your works or effort, the devil cannot get you. Then, you can pray boldly in Jesus name with the Helmet of Jesus's Salvation protecting your head.

The final six piece is the Sword of the Spirit which the Bible says very clearly is the word of the living God, sharper than any double edged sword. It is an offensive weapon. I've shared before in one of my devotion, Jesus only quoted the scripture to defeat the devil. He didn't summon a level 99+ Fire Ball to squash the devil. Why the word of God? Because after the cross, The Devil has been removed of principality and authoritive powers. He is left with the ability to only use lies or deception as a form of weapon. So why the word of God again? Because the word of God is the divine Truth. You counter lies with Truth. But there is one difference. There is divine power in the word of God. Real dunamis power because the spiritual realm moves according to the word of God. Angels harken to the word of God spoken in Faith. And Jesus has given us that authority (Luke 10:19). And God himself ordained his word with such power (Isaiah 55:11, Matthew 24:35 , Numbers 23:19).


So put on the Armour of God by practising it's principal.

I pray that these devotion will help you greatly in your Life.

God Bless.
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Stand your Ground Part 2 (Spiritual Warfare) - part 1 on pg 21
Before I continue to share on the last 3 armour pieces, I want to bring to your attention on the word stand.
If you go through Ephesians 6, the word stand is repeated 4 times. No small details is insignificant in the Bible.
If it's repeated, then The Holy Spirit is trying to tell us something.

Why is the word "stand" important? In a showdown between wars or battle, the last man standing is the victor.

But is this the right approach for us to spiritual warfare?

In Colossians 2:15, The Bible states that Jesus has disarmed the Devil. He has been defeated literally from having any power of the curse of sin.
The Devil has been disarmed and defeated at the cross.

So if you're Fighting in spiritual warfare, you're fighting from victory NOT for victory. Do you understand? It is based on the foundation of Colossians 2:15.

If you are trying to fight FOR victory, before you even start, the devil has defeated you. You will not get the answer to your prayer. ALWAYS fight from victory because Jesus has defeated the devil and his Sacrifice on the cross is a finished job. Not a half way complete job and you have to continue the work for Him to victory. Do you understand this?

That is why the word of God is so clear when it says stand 4 times, it's pointing to a stand from victory. When you pray or issues command in spiritual warfare, pray from the point that the devil IS ALREADY defeated. That is Faith.

The fourth piece is the Shield of Faith. What is this shield? There are many aspects in this teaching and I want to bring a few to your attention. If you see, Ephesians 6:16, it says there it can extinguished all the flaming arrows. What is the opposite of fire? Water. What symbolises water in the Bible? The Holy Spirit. Speaking in Tongues and praying in the spirit, symbolises the stream of living water (John 7:38). Praying in the spirit and speaking in tongues acts as your shield of Faith. This streams of living water can extinguish the flaming arrows of the enemy. What are the flaming arrows of the devil, Ephesian 6 is talking about? They are lies and deception of the enemy. What is one of the role of the Holy Spirit? He is the counsellor who will guide you into all Truth. See the relation?
 
And then there is Faith. The Bible is clear that without Faith, it is impossible to please God. I believe, it can also mean this. Without Faith, it's impossible to move God. But where does your Faith hangs on? Is it Faith in your Faith or Faith in Jesus's Faith? Ha this is a divine revelation. 
if you put Faith in your Faith, it will be volatile and subject to variation. You will always feel you need to produce enough Faith. Jesus's Faith is always consistent. If you put Faith in Jesus's Faith, rest assured, the  believing one (Jesus) will make all things possible. Amen.

The fifth piece is the Helmet of Salvation. What does the Helmet protect? Your Head which also symbolises, your mind. Why Salvation? Because your foundation of Salvation must be very well established. If you believe in an errornous doctrine that preaches shaky Salvation, that you are righteous only until your next sin, you will be an easy target for the devil. Why? Before you even enter into spiritual warfare, the devil may come to you and say you're a hypocrite. You have done this wrong or done that wrong or you have not done enough. And tell you even if you confessed your sins, you will only repeat it again in the near future. If you believe that lie, you are definitely defeated through condemnation and guilt The Bible is very clear that it is not your obedience that makes you righteous. It is your Faith and it is by grace, you have been made righteous. Romans 5:19 says very clearly, IT IS Jesus's obedience that makes you righteous. When you pull the focus away from your own obedience and trust ONLY Jesus's finished work (Jesus obedience and sacrifice) that makes you righteous, that devil has no hold over you. Do you know why? The devil cannot find Fault against Jesus. The Bible says our life is now Hidden in Christ Jesus. When your mind is well established that you are eternally saved, based not on your works or effort, the devil cannot get you. Then, you can pray boldly in Jesus name with the Helmet of Jesus's Salvation protecting your head.

The final six piece is the Sword of the Spirit which the Bible says very clearly is the word of the living God, sharper than any double edged sword. It is an offensive weapon. I've shared before in one of my devotion, Jesus only quoted the scripture to defeat the devil. He didn't summon a level 99+ Fire Ball to squash the devil. Why the word of God? Because after the cross, The Devil has been removed of principality and authoritive powers. He is left with the ability to only use lies or deception as a form of weapon. So why the word of God again? Because the word of God is the divine Truth. You counter lies with Truth. But there is one difference. There is divine power in the word of God. Real dunamis power because the spiritual realm moves according to the word of God. Angels harken to the word of God spoken in Faith. And Jesus has given us that authority (Luke 10:19). And God himself ordained his word with such power (Isaiah 55:11, Matthew 24:35 , Numbers 23:19).
So put on the Armour of God by practising it's principal.

I pray that these devotion will help you greatly in your Life.

God Bless.
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It is.

It is a indeed even a metaphorical battlefield, except that it is very real, and the word metaphor may as well will lose its meaning.



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Who is this Allan Phang again?
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He's from Glad's Tiding, PJ, Olgac4 fellow members.

He just experienced not too long ago, supernatural deliverance from bondages to the things of this world.

Now he has a burden to share this testimony.

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It is.

It is a indeed even a metaphorical battlefield, except that it is very real, and the word metaphor may as well will lose its meaning.
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For the world it will be a metaphor. Because they understand not.
For Believers of Christ, it is very real.

Ephesians 6:12 (NIV)
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 30 2012, 08:19 PM)
He's from Glad's Tiding, PJ, Olgac4 fellow members.

He just experienced not too long ago, supernatural deliverance from bondages to the things of this world.

Now he has a burden to share this testimony.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 30 2012, 08:30 PM)
For the world it will be a metaphor. Because they understand not.
For Believers of Christ, it is very real.

Ephesians 6:12 (NIV)
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
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Sigh. The most powerful weapon from the Devil is indeed deception, because we would have fought back the best we can if we are able to see evil in its tangible nature.

But spiritual battles? For a human, and in gaming, it will be considered as an unfair battle. Still, it is not a battle that you can run away with, for the evil forces we speak of...appears to have no need for rest.
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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Dec 10 2012, 10:56 AM)
something like the theory of thermometer and thermostat.. i thnk..
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 30 2012, 08:34 PM)
Hmm. Okay.
Sigh. The most powerful weapon from the Devil is indeed deception, because we would have fought back the best we can if we are able to see evil in its tangible nature.

But spiritual battles? For a human, and in gaming, it will be considered as an unfair battle. Still, it is not a battle that you can run away with, for the evil forces we speak of...appears to have no need for rest.
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Neither do God rest.

As a child of God, you have total and complete protection and peace from Almighty Father.

If there's ever a voice of thought telling you so and so Christian, got this cancer, debts, terrible accidents, got killed on a road, it may happen to you also.

Reject that "it may happen to you" totally. You know it's the voice of the devil. He works on the basis of fear and ignorance.

Everybody have different journey in life with God. What happens to others bears no relation to you.

The Devil can only get to a Christian the moment he/she believe in the lie rather than the word of God.

The word of God is clear on the protection it gives to all believers.

For example,

Isaiah 54:17 (KJV)
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper.

Psalm 91:9-10 (NIV)
If you make the Most High your dwelling--even the LORD, who is my refuge, then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent.


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God give 30M i give to God 110K only. sad.gif
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God give 30M i give to God 110K only. sad.gif
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wow! u got 30m from biz/bonus/work or lottery? sry for me for asking such question as this is my reaction shocking.gif
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Biz lah. 1 day profit.
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Biz lah. 1 day profit.
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wow! 1 day?  shocking.gif
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So who says God doesn't prosper his Children? biggrin.gif

Those who are against prosperity, really IMO do not read the Bible. shakehead.gif

really shake head when these "religious" people try to argue.


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wow! 1 day?  shocking.gif
u must be very smart guy  thumbup.gif
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If there's anything you're not too sure on part 2, let me know.
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The technical way to tithe is to tithe the net profit. Not the gross sale.

Even if you made 30M sales, the safe figure to tithe is after deduct all the cost.

But of course, each believers have different Faith.

Some will give more than the net profit.

Tithing is a personal covenant between God and you.

And I sincerely believe, when you come into agreement with God's covenant, God will bless you more than you can give.

You can never out give God.

And true enough, looking at so many sermons, I find it comfortingly true.

The way out of poverty is to give mix with Faith. One of the way to give is to tithe. smile.gif

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happy new year 2013

For all christian fellow
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30m? how is that even possible unless u sold a few rows of luxury bungalows or probably u got tons of stocks in Apple

Anyways, with RM110,000, I don't even have that much in my bank account lol
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ha, slept through the whole night, lol

Wake up refreshed.

Hello 2013.


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30m? how is that even possible unless u sold a few rows of luxury bungalows or probably u got tons of stocks in Apple

Anyways, with RM110,000, I don't even have that much in my bank account lol
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My short message for 2013

Don't mind if I just share, just a bit.

God existing outside of time, knows from the beginning of January 2013, till the end of December 2013,

all the things, the events, incidents that will happen in each and every one's life.

Many of us, still have situations from 2012.

For some, it could be Salvation for a love one, financial freedom, healing for those with chronic illness, looking for life partner, etc.

The Holy Spirit in us, holds the answers to all things, all problems, all situations.

He has the answers. smile.gif

Our responsibility is to be close God, seeking Him everyday so that we can hear and be sensitive to his voice.

To understand Him, to know his will so that we will not be lost and confuse.

That at the end of it all, We can give GOD all the glory and praise.


God Bless.

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Today its a brand new working day for me on 2013 biggrin.gif, and it started with a real weird dreams that I can remember. Would likes to shares it and I needs some advise 'bout my dream. I wish I could describe it like story book, sadly my English is not that good. Will try my best. Here is how it starts..

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I meet with some church mates in a white long table while chatting with them, pastor pass me a weird looking packaging "Tea flavour Joy beer" made from paper bottom and plastic top. Suddenly the scene change to a outdoor food court *can't remember all of it in the food court* and someone shouted Floods!!.

My scene had change again, this time I was standing inside a condominium looking down the street. Slowly water flows on the road and cars starts to panic then part of the road had collapsed a big holes! The floor I was standing starts to shakes~ and people start around shouting/panicking! I never starts to think much, I rans into my room and grabbed my car key then I shout "moooooooooooooooooooommmm! where~~ are u?!" while running around inside the house and search for my mom. Lastly I found her inside the bathroom then without much words I said "Quick! the building its going to collapsed! Jump on my back!". I started to ran all the way down to fire exit stairs with my mom my back and the path its extremely shaky + dust/small stones falling down the path makes me hard to see, furthermore I never think of anything but I mumble some words saying this "Lord please save me and show me the path". While running  down the stairs I can't see anything but steps and "glowing gold colour foot steps" ahead me and I follow it, not for long I reach basement to my parking bay and I saw my car.

Yes, my scenes changed again. I'm outside the building now, *I can't remember much after this point*


This is all I can describe what had happen in my dream above, I always had dreams last time until now.. I have trouble to have a good rest because I always ending up running around in my dreams. I had tried to pray and asked "Lord, please gave me a good rest.. I don't wants to have dreams".. I never had "no dreams" in a night before for so long.

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Today its a brand new working day for me on 2013 biggrin.gif, and it started with a real weird dreams that I can remember. Would likes to shares it and I needs some advise 'bout my dream. I wish I could describe it like story book, sadly my English is not that good. Will try my best. Here is how it starts..
This is all I can describe what had happen in my dream above, I always had dreams last time until now.. I have trouble to have a good rest because I always ending up running around in my dreams. I had tried to pray and asked "Lord, please gave me a good rest.. I don't wants to have dreams".. I never had "no dreams" in a night before for so long.
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need people gifted in visions to pray n interpret visions.

don't think anyone have that here.
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Blessed Day everyone...
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Share ur experience if you can.
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jan 2 2013, 03:10 PM)
sounds like i need time to solve my puzzle  tongue.gif
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could be just a normal dream.

why u feel different issit?
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post Jan 2 2013, 10:47 PM

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hello....

i am RC so just wanna ask something regarding a Novena prayer..

anyone here RC?
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post Jan 2 2013, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 2 2013, 07:29 PM)
could be just a normal dream.

why u feel different issit?
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yeah, its different from my others dream. anyway.. all dreams use to be different.. lol

i wants to know, is there anything from bible ever mention bout dreams. just curious happy.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jan 2 2013, 11:10 PM)
yeah, its different from my others dream. anyway..  all dreams use to be different.. lol

i wants to know, is there anything from bible ever mention bout dreams. just curious happy.gif
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Best Person to seek an answer is God.

Have Faith that God will answer.

Just pray about it and wait for the answer.

God always answer.
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post Jan 3 2013, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 2 2013, 11:37 PM)
Best Person to seek an answer is God.

Have Faith that God will answer.

Just pray about it and wait for the answer.

God always answer.
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Everyday I got dream, this one more weird.

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Suddenly I was on a mission to beat someone up with one of my colleague. We found that person and we're fighting up together, I had successfully beating him up into into a square cube!  shocking.gif

Then someone shout from behind! U kena Lottery by beating him up! the amount is RM200,000++ (can't remember the actual amount but 200K is near to it) and the cheque had issued immediately~ We received the cheque and I look at the cheque, it was from someone unknown company which I never heard or seen it before. The cheque is very high-tech, it had a finger print scanner built-in middle of the cheque and we need to put on our finger on it to verify that we are the receiver.

Somehow, my colleague told me this below~

colleague: hei!, we need to bank in all these money to Boss account.
me: why la? we just split it ok? u 100k i 100k~ settle biggrin.gif
colleague: cannot! we cannot do this! we kena this lottery while we're doing company mission, so we must surrender to the company. please don't worry much, i know company will give us back our real shares.
me: what da heck its real shares? why can't just make it easier? u 100 i 100...  nod.gif


after that i woke up d, this time i don't feel tired but exited thumbup.gif how can someone beat by me until become square cube rclxub.gif i must be watching too much anime/cartoon biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jan 3 2013, 10:03 AM)
Everyday I got dream, this one more weird.
after that i woke up d, this time i don't feel tired but exited  thumbup.gif how can someone beat by me until become square cube  rclxub.gif i must be watching too much anime/cartoon  biggrin.gif
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Hi skydrake,

Before you sleep, pray to God to protect you and cover you with the blood of Jesus Christ in your garden of dreams.

Also pray to God to fill you with the Holy Spirit in your dreams.

When we sleep, we are not in control physically, that's one of the most vulnerable times when the forces of darkness and evil spirits are most active.

Try playing praise and worship music while you are sleeping too. It helps.

God bless,
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post Jan 3 2013, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jan 3 2013, 10:03 AM)
Everyday I got dream, this one more weird.
after that i woke up d, this time i don't feel tired but exited  thumbup.gif how can someone beat by me until become square cube  rclxub.gif i must be watching too much anime/cartoon  biggrin.gif
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haha,

my personal opinion, is normal dream.
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QUOTE(allanphang.com @ Jan 3 2013, 12:32 PM)
Hi skydrake,

Before you sleep, pray to God to protect you and cover you with the blood of Jesus Christ in your garden of dreams.

Also pray to God to fill you with the Holy Spirit in your dreams.

When we sleep, we are not in control physically, that's one of the most vulnerable times when the forces of darkness and evil spirits are most active.

Try playing praise and worship music while you are sleeping too. It helps.

God bless,
Allan
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good day allan,

thank you for the advise, will do it nod.gif

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 3 2013, 01:08 PM)
haha,

my personal opinion, is normal dream.
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ya, its normal dream. normally i won't remember my dream after wakeup.. and these days i started to have very good memory, i can't believe that i can write it out somemore. even is not 100% but at least 70% of it tongue.gif
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post Jan 3 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jan 3 2013, 01:48 PM)
good day allan,

thank you for the advise, will do it  nod.gif
ya, its normal dream. normally i won't remember my dream after wakeup.. and these days i started to have very good memory, i can't believe that i can write it out somemore. even is not 100% but at least 70% of it  tongue.gif
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Don't be disturbed by dreams.

Unless it cause you wake up in the middle of the night cold and shaking with fear.

Then it could be a warning from God.
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post Jan 3 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 3 2013, 02:13 PM)
Don't be disturbed by dreams.

Unless it cause you wake up in the middle of the night cold and shaking with fear.

Then it could be a warning from God.
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Then I should be lucky, I never had such scary dream for many years. No dream ever makes me fear before this but I do have scary dreams when I was a free thinker.
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post Jan 3 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jan 3 2013, 02:23 PM)
Then I should be lucky, I never had such scary dream for many years. No dream ever makes me fear before this but I do have scary dreams when I was a free thinker.
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2 Timothy 1:7 (NKJV)
For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
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This book [Hebrews], having the concept that all positive things are heavenly, points us to the very Christ who is in the heavens. In the Gospels is the Christ who lived on the earth and died on the cross for the accomplishing of redemption. In the Acts is the resurrected and ascended Christ propagated and ministered to men. In Romans is the Christ who is our righteousness for justification and our life for sanctification, transformation, conformation, glorification, and building up. In Galatians is the Christ who enables us to live a life that is versus the law, religion, tradition, and forms. In Philippians is the Christ who is lived out of His members. In Ephesians and Colossians is the Christ who is the life, the content, and the Head of the Body, the church. In 1 and 2 Corinthians is the Christ who is everything in the practical church life. In 1 and 2 Thessalonians is the Christ who is our holiness for His coming back. In 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus is the Christ who is God's economy, enabling us to know how to conduct ourselves in the house of God. In the Epistles of Peter is the Christ who enables us to take God's governmental dealings administered through sufferings. In the Epistles of John is the Christ who is the life and fellowship of the children of God in God's family. In Revelation is the Christ who is walking among the churches in this age, ruling over the world in the kingdom in the coming age, and expressing God in full glory in the new heaven and new earth for eternity. In this book is the present Christ, who is now in the heavens as our Minister (8:2) and our High Priest (4:14-15; 7:26), ministering to us the heavenly life, grace, authority, and power and sustaining us to live a heavenly life on earth. He is the Christ now, the Christ today, and the Christ on the throne in the heavens, who is our daily salvation and moment-by-moment supply.
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If you clearly remember the dream usually some kind of message. If you forget the dream then it's normal dream.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:00 PM)
If you clearly remember the dream usually some kind of message. If you forget the dream then it's normal dream.
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not sure its a msg or not. i forgot to mention that my wife was standing besides the fallen building in the last part of my dream and she looked up the fallen building with upset looking face. yesterday her mom passed away.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:00 PM)
If you clearly remember the dream usually some kind of message. If you forget the dream then it's normal dream.
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not really. some dreams i rmb but bring no meaning one. xD those dejavu dreams i got always i forget. yawn.gif
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jan 4 2013, 05:08 PM)
not sure its a msg or not. i forgot to mention that my wife was standing besides the fallen building in the last part of my dream and she looked up the fallen building with upset looking face. yesterday her mom passed away.
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Condolences. That could be the message of your dream.
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post Jan 4 2013, 09:42 PM

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Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.


Many people have different ideas towards holiness. For some, is about being "seen or recognize" as very religious. Some adopt a high and lofty and to always ever ready to judge others who don't subscribe to their standard. For some it's about self-comparison of who's the "higher" one.


What does the Bible says?

2 Corinthians 6:17 define it perfectly. Holiness just means to be set apart for God. To be separated from the things or interest of this world. It is a 2 way link between you and God. Not a 3 way link between you God and others. When you adopt holiness, never ridicule or mock others because it's very much a personal thing between you and God, nothing to do with others.

The word of God is very clear, the cultures of this world is Anti-God or Anti the things of God's Kingdom. Everything in this world is under the influence of the prince of darkness, Satan.

Sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. (Galatians 5:19-21) And all these elements are usually found in the things of this word like movies, music scenes, night life, etc.

I'm sure you will agree, there's hardly anything nowadays in this world that doesn't associate with the elements above. If it can come down to child pornography, and even a harmless movie like transformers but has elements of sexual soft/mild porn like Megan Fox, you get the picture.

Lets reason maturely.

There are only 2 conflicting worlds in this universe. I do not believe there is another.
Gods kingdom and this world under the influence of Satan. Everything in this world is stained by Satan influences.

If we as Children of God, Christians are heading towards a new coming Heaven, why not adopt the culture of God's kingdom now and get use to it?
What's the point of sticking to this fallen world values when you're already chosen to be different and separated? This fallen world values will be destroyed for eternity.

Some of you in here are afraid of what others might think or say of you. Some of you have this pressure to conform to worldly standard to avoid from being ridiculed.

My Friends, if only you knew the far greater benefit and blessings found in God's way. smile.gif

And yet some of you are envious and jealous as to why God seems to bless some Christians and not them. Why God seem to speak to some Christians and not them. Why some Christians seems to bless with God's grace and power and not them? Why God seem to reveal Bible revelation to some Christians and not them.

The answer is because, you have not set apart yourself from the world. I pray that you will. Because, if you decided to adopt holiness, the moment you do that, 2 Corinthians 6:17 and Jeremiah 3:19 promises God's blessing will come looking for you.

There are many verses inter connected with what I'm sharing tonight. Read, 1 John 2:15, John 15:19, 1 John 3:13, James 4:4 and lastly read Jeremiah 3:19 to understand the heart of God.

I pray this devotion will help you in your Christian walk.

God Bless.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 4 2013, 07:18 PM)
Condolences. That could be the message of your dream.
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dreams really can be very creative sometimes, i had never seen such scene or tech in my life even on television or talk by someone. with just a good night dream we can explore into the world of our brain imagination.

Lords superb creation is really unimaginable.
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post Jan 5 2013, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(allanphang.com @ Jan 3 2013, 12:32 PM)
When we sleep, we are not in control physically, that's one of the most vulnerable times when the forces of darkness and evil spirits are most active.

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I don't think they're that interested in our sleep. Not for born again believers anyway. Unbelievers, maybe yes. Especially those who get involved in occult and stuff like that.

I believe they are more interest to find any loop hole in believers who are on fire for God so that they can attack that area inflicting guilt and condemnation.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 5 2013, 11:11 PM)
I don't think they're that interested in our sleep. Not for born again believers anyway. Unbelievers, maybe yes. Especially those who get involved in occult and stuff like that.

I believe they are more interest to find any loop hole in believers who are on fire for God so that they can attack that area inflicting guilt and condemnation.
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Nice teachings on dreams: The Importance Of The Dreams You Have In Your Sleep by David E. Taylor


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpKP15Or3_Y




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post Jan 6 2013, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 6 2013, 04:13 AM)
Nice teachings on dreams: The Importance Of The Dreams You Have In Your Sleep by David E. Taylor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpKP15Or3_Y
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He's right, the church has distorted grace with guilt and condemnation with the law of the Old Testament.

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