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Ahn3hn3h
post Sep 25 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 20 2013, 10:22 AM)

Fast forward a few months and my wife and I find ourselves deciding to visit some prominent churches in our city, as well as churches that we have preached at in the past. She would wear a mini-skirt, I would wear some baggy jeans with a hat put on backwards, with big diamond earrings in my ears, and we would pretend like we didn’t know much about how “church worked.” In almost every single church no one would say hi to us, people would simply stare at us, I had people in services tap me on my shoulder and tell me to take my hat off… Some of my Pastor friends didn’t even recognize it was me and were absolutely shocked when I revealed myself. All in all… most places left me not wanting to ever come back. I remember in one service I couldn’t even focus on the message because I was so infuriated as to how this one lady treated me. I wanted to tell her I’m an ordained minister and read off my rap sheet out of some misplaced sense of pride, but I managed to keep it together. Then I got it.

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Do not challenge and use God's name in vain. There is a limit.

It is because of such allowance and soft stances that many of today's churches are getting destroyed and corrupted. They are compromising on church rules for the sake of increasing the size of congregation without realizing the risks involve.

It is these sort of churches that are emerging in the US that are slowly opening up the house of worship to gay marriage acceptance and lucriferian members because they are slowly becoming thirsty for more membership numbers.

Why is membership so important that many modern day churches are slowly compromising their traditional strict rules? Simply admit it.

You need MONEY to fund your lavish lifestyles and your megachurch operations. They insists that you need to tithe at least 10% of your income to your church or else you're robbing GOD of his blessings. Tell that to the masters of pyramid marketing.

Just imagine, if you're a church CEO with a congregation of a few thousand with each member giving tithes of 10% of their income obediently on average to your organization. You'll be one of the most cunning businessman ever!
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post Sep 25 2013, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ahn3hn3h @ Sep 25 2013, 10:51 PM)
Do not challenge and use God's name in vain. There is a limit.

It is because of such allowance and soft stances that many of today's churches are getting destroyed and corrupted. They are compromising on church rules for the sake of increasing the size of congregation without realizing the risks involve.

It is these sort of churches that are emerging in the US that are slowly opening up the house of worship to gay marriage acceptance and lucriferian members because they are slowly becoming thirsty for more membership numbers.

Why is membership so important that many modern day churches are slowly compromising their traditional strict rules? Simply admit it.

You need MONEY to fund your lavish lifestyles and your megachurch operations. They insists that you need to tithe at least 10% of your income to your church or else you're robbing GOD of his blessings. Tell that to the masters of pyramid marketing.

Just imagine, if you're a church CEO with a congregation of a few thousand with each member giving tithes of 10% of their income obediently on average to your organization. You'll be one of the most cunning businessman ever!
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10% of your total income for tithe is not necessary a must but out of your heart will, my salary is less than 1.5k every month after epf and sosco deductions, i still have other commitments too so after deducting everything, i actually tithe more than 10%, as i said it is up to your heart will
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post Sep 25 2013, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 25 2013, 11:33 PM)
10% of your total income for tithe is not necessary a must but out of your heart will, my salary is less than 1.5k every month after epf and sosco deductions, i still have other commitments too so after deducting everything, i actually tithe more than 10%, as i said it is up to your heart will
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Of course they never say it's compulsory a must but once you're a devoted brainwashed believer the whole situation changes. The psychology of guilt will make you think of it as if it's LAW.
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post Sep 26 2013, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Ahn3hn3h @ Sep 25 2013, 10:51 PM)
Do not challenge and use God's name in vain. There is a limit.

It is because of such allowance and soft stances that many of today's churches are getting destroyed and corrupted. They are compromising on church rules for the sake of increasing the size of congregation without realizing the risks involve.

It is these sort of churches that are emerging in the US that are slowly opening up the house of worship to gay marriage acceptance and lucriferian members because they are slowly becoming thirsty for more membership numbers.

Why is membership so important that many modern day churches are slowly compromising their traditional strict rules? Simply admit it.

You need MONEY to fund your lavish lifestyles and your megachurch operations. They insists that you need to tithe at least 10% of your income to your church or else you're robbing GOD of his blessings. Tell that to the masters of pyramid marketing.

Just imagine, if you're a church CEO with a congregation of a few thousand with each member giving tithes of 10% of their income obediently on average to your organization. You'll be one of the most cunning businessman ever!
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post Sep 26 2013, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Ahn3hn3h @ Sep 25 2013, 11:43 PM)
Of course they never say it's compulsory a must but once you're a devoted brainwashed believer the whole situation changes. The psychology of guilt will make you think of it as if it's LAW.
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De_Luffy
post Sep 26 2013, 10:13 AM

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Can you prove this serious accusation with any black and white facts to back your statement?

Which "brainwashed believer" are you referring to in specific?

If you can't I suggest, you keep this type of opinion to yourself.

STOP GIVING GENERALIZE OPINION THAT AMOUNTS TO NOTHING BUT HATRED TOWARDS CHRISTIANS & CHURCHES.

LEARN TO RESPECT CHURCHES ARE INSTITUTIONALIZE BY GOD NOT MAN.

LEARN THAT EVERY CHURCH HAS A LEADER AND YOU ARE TO SUBMIT TO THAT AUTHORITY WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

YOU ARE NOT ABOVE THE BODY OF CHRIST AND YOU FORGET THAT CHRIST IS THE HEAD.

EVERYTIME YOU CRITICIZE SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY REALIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT YOU ARE ALSO CRITICIZING GOD WHO PUT THE PERSON IN PLACE.

LEARN THAT GOD IS IN CONTROL OF HIS BODY OF CHRIST NOT YOU!

LEARN YOUR PLACE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST AND DON'T CROSS THE LINE BY BABBLING AS YOU WISH!
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Cool down my brother, do not be angry while the sun go down biggrin.gif

ok, i got something to share here again

http://donmoenliveinmalaysia.com/

as i said in earlier few pages back i said that pastor Don Moen is coming to malaysia, here is the news those who wanted to go, be quick to grab your tickets smile.gif
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post Sep 27 2013, 09:08 AM

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John 6th Case

DIVISION CAUSED BY LIFE’S APPEARANCE

In 7:40-52 we see the division caused by the Lord’s appearance. Jesus was truly a troublemaker. He caused divisions. Today, the life-seeking people will also make trouble and cause divisions. Christ, the seed of David, was born in Bethlehem (7:42; Luke 2:4-7), but He appeared as a Nazarene from Galilee (7:52). Although the Lord was born in Bethlehem, He was raised in Nazareth, a town that was despised by the people of that time. He was the seed of David, but He came as a Nazarene (Matt. 2:23). He grew up as a “root out of dry ground,” having “no form or comeliness,” “no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected of men” (Isa. 53:2-3). So we should not know Him according to the flesh (2 Cor. 5:16), but according to the Spirit. Because the Lord was raised in Nazareth, people did not consider Him as one born in Bethlehem.

Some comprehended Christ according to His outward appearance (7:27, 41-42, 52) by taking the tree of knowledge resulting in death (Gen. 2:17). Listen to their talk. “Does then the Christ come out of Galilee? Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?” (7:41-42). This talk is simply the exercise of the mentality. This mental reasoning is in the principle of the tree of knowledge. However, some apprehended Christ according to His inward reality (7:40, 50-51) by taking the tree of life resulting in life (Gen. 2:9). Do not pay attention to the outward appearance. You must see what is inside. Is there Christ within? We all must know Christ according to the inward reality and not according to the outward appearance.

The Gospel of John as a whole gives us a very impressive picture. One day the Lord Jesus went to Bethany and stayed in a little house with Lazarus, Martha, and Mary (John 12:1-2). In Jerusalem at that time was the temple. In that holy temple were the priests dressed in their priestly robes offering the sacrifices on the altar and burning the incense in the proper way. Everything in the temple was attractive. But in that little house in Bethany there was nothing—no priests, no priestly robes, no altar, no offerings, and no incense. There were just two poor sisters and one brother. At that time, was the very God in the temple or in that little house? He was in that little house. Suppose you were seeking God at that time. Where would you have gone—to that little house or to the temple? We all would have gone to the temple. Probably none of us would have gone to that little house. However, Jesus, the very embodiment of God, was not in the temple but in that little house. Eventually, there would have been a division among us with a large number going to the temple and a small number going to the little house where Jesus was. Those who went to the temple would have thought it foolish to go to that little house to find God. Thus, we must learn to follow the Lord Jesus according to the inward reality and not according to the outward appearance. This principle will remain forever.
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post Sep 28 2013, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 26 2013, 10:13 AM)
Cool down my brother, do not be angry while the sun go down biggrin.gif

ok, i got something to share here again

http://donmoenliveinmalaysia.com/

as i said in earlier few pages back i said that pastor Don Moen is coming to malaysia, here is the news those who wanted to go, be quick to grab your tickets smile.gif
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Thanks for the link, have spread it to my friends & pastors.

Being a Christian doesn't mean we are to be "meek" sheep all the time.
There is a place for anger but make sure the anger is for the right reason.

One of the things that displeases me a lot are influences or choice of words that pushes people away from what God wants to establish.

One of the last words of Jesus in the Bible is that when He return will he find Faith here in earth? Luke 18:8 (NIV) - ........However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

I believe what Jesus is hinting, lack of believe will be on the rise and Faith will be a challenge for many, even now. How does this happen? It doesn't happen on it's own. I believe, one of the cause are influences.

There are many voices out there that are discouraging people from believing. Ahn3hn3h and prophetjul are the few examples.
When you project a lot of self consciousness, doubt, scepticism, lack of trust, fear, etc all this will cause faith to shrink. People who are spiritual babies will fall, blind leading the blind.

Consider the fruits of the holy spirit -

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

I've highlighted the bold part.

When you keep on harbouring about mega churches and money and lavish life style, that IS keeping record of wrongs.
Like it or not, that is what it means. The irony that people do not understand this passage and further exploit it thinking they are doing God a favour.

God does not need you to harbour on the negativity in the hope it will lead you to the positive. If you want positive, preach Jesus Christ. Preach more of Faith and believe. Jesus Christ is all about Hope and Believe. What people do wrong, commit in prayer to God, and leave it as that. THAT is trusting in God, not spread gossip, doubt, scepticism, etc. Because if you do, it as good as saying, I don't trust you God, I rather make sure people know this by my own strength. And God really hates that, self centred confidence and self righteousness.

The apostle Paul exclaims it like this, people who religious always talk about touch not, taste not, handle not. But that is not the essence of who we are because that is based on fear never of hope.

Do you see the part where it says always TRUSTS and always hope? There. Are these 2 going against what the Bible teaches? I rest my case on this.


I find this to be true. Many Christians, are Christians by name. They don't practise the faith they profess because of lack of trust and believe in God. To me that is already a big problem and Is a responsibility on our part as Church leaders entrusted to teach to counter.

FYI and those reading, I AM working in a church and is in position of authority to teach. So I have my rights to teach and to rebuke where necessary. And I know enough who are not qualified to teach but speaks from head knowledge. I couldn't care less what people like prophejul labels me about my Bible hermeneutic, they say whatever, I'll just throw that out of my window and let God judge their words.




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post Oct 1 2013, 01:02 PM

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Hello!
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post Oct 1 2013, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 1 2013, 01:02 PM)
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after the book of john, what next?
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post Oct 1 2013, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2013, 01:07 PM)
after the book of john, what next?
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bro, wanna ask one thing. there's this missionary people came knocking on my door talking about this thing about wife of God. and we must acknowledge her.


whats your opinion?

other people's opinion are welcomed too smile.gif
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QUOTE(EternalC @ Oct 1 2013, 01:12 PM)
bro, wanna ask one thing. there's this missionary people came knocking on my door talking about this thing about wife of God. and we must acknowledge her.
whats your opinion?

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doh.gif , should have ask them, is that in the Bible?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2013, 01:19 PM)
doh.gif , should have ask them, is that in the Bible?
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there are certain chapters that talked about that.

i'll try to search for them see i can remember which one
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post Oct 1 2013, 01:27 PM

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Genesis chapter 1 v26 : notice the "us" inside the sentence? who were the "us" referring to?

Revelation chapter 21 v9 : the mentioning of the "bride" and "Lamb's wife"


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QUOTE(EternalC @ Oct 1 2013, 01:27 PM)
Genesis chapter 1 v26 : notice the "us" inside the sentence? who were the "us" referring to?

Revelation chapter 21 v9 : the mentioning of the "bride" and "Lamb's wife"
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Genesis 1:26 refers to the Trinity
Revelation 21:9 refers to the city Jerusalem, bride also refers to the Israelite & the Believers.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2013, 01:32 PM)
Genesis 1:26 refers to the Trinity
Revelation 21:9 refers to the city Jerusalem, bride also refers to the Israelite & the Believers.
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wokay brah. thanks for telling smile.gif
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post Oct 1 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2013, 01:07 PM)
after the book of john, what next?
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Not sure. smile.gif Still a long way to go.
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i still cant figure out y is this thread in kopitiam....
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QUOTE(ssilverr82 @ Oct 1 2013, 02:38 PM)
i still cant figure out y is this thread in kopitiam....
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Your answer in on the 1st page. kindly click here > https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=56696129
scroll down to FAQ section. thank you biggrin.gif

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