The word Christ came from ancient Greek word, Christos which means "Anointed". "Christ" is a title, not a name.
Originally the believers of Jesus were called "followers of Jesus". Sometimes the believers were called "The Way".
It was in around year 40, in Antioch (present day Turkey) , the word "Christian" first appeared.

This post has been edited by toda_III: Dec 10 2012, 10:13 PM

Ok, the timeline is like this. (a rough time line, not the 100% accurate because the ancient people never documented their years in writing)
Jesus born at year 1BC.
Jesus preach at year 30AD
Jesus died at year 33AD

after 33AD - 40AD, there's no word "Christian". Believers are referred to as "followers of Jesus" or "the way"
It's in 40 AD, the word "Christian" appeared to describe "followers of Jesus".
and this word become universally accepted.

Words are invented all the time even in /k. examples are the word "pipu", "/k", "attensyun"
Words don't appeared out of nowhere, people created it and we Christians are fine with it.
According to the Bible, the word "Chrsitians" are created by the people of Antioch. Some historians calculate it to be around year 40AD.

So there's no confusion here.

This post has been edited by toda_III: Dec 10 2012, 11:00 PM

*hide*

I can't. I get the information all over the places by years of reading and digesting. No easy reading book in easy text.

Dont have hahaha. I read more on online, short blog etc. All over the places. Power of google.

Eh, they do.
They even believe Jesus is the Christ, and a Son of God.
Just that they have different definition of what "god" is.

This post has been edited by toda_III: Dec 29 2012, 10:48 PM

You just misunderstood what he said. He said he doesn't know how you came to the conclusion about the catholic church.

This is simply not true.
It's true that average Catholics lack of capability to explain why Catholics do certain things because they never even bother to learn how or some even don't care to learn their own faith, but no matter how indoctrinate they are, I've never met a Catholic that thought they are praying or worshiping to statue or Mary.

The only people that insist of thinking Catholics are praying and worshiping to statue or Mary, are Protestant* group of Christians. Even when attempted to correct them, they posses the attitude of "no, you are actually praying to / worshiping statue or Mary, but you just don't want to admit it"


*when I say Protestants, I mean the group that is formed after the reformation, and if I use "non-Catholics", it could mean Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, etc which do not fall into Protestant group.

That's another slippery thing to answer.

Catholics perceive the word "pray to" differently than the Protestant group.
the word pray originally means "to request".

We still use to word "pray to God", but when we say "pray to the saints", it has different meaning than the former.

We Catholics believe that we can as the saints in heaven to pray for us.
Now I know we will easily spin off to another topic but let's focus on topic.

I know the problem to this is;
1. How can Mary understand English / thousands of other languages?
2. How can Mary hear billions of prayers at the same time?
3. Mary is dead, how can she hear prayers?
4. Did Peter and Paul prayed to Mary?

These aren't the questions I haven't encountered, but again, let's clear the topic first before we jump into another one.

When we use the word "pray to", we also understood as "asking the certain saints to pray for us".

Well, humans have limited words so we sometimes tend to overlap the meaning.

This post has been edited by toda_III: Jan 13 2013, 12:01 AM

Another thing is, I have attended the Catholic Church for a decade and still haven't met one so I'm not so sure.
are you sure it's not your misunderstanding to what they do?

This post has been edited by toda_III: Jan 13 2013, 12:03 AM

done

that's another long topic and i'm quiet lazy now. it will be a whole day if not weeks of discussions, and don't think it will convince you.

but like I said, I hope to establish a clearer understanding of what "pray to Mary" means first before we jump off to another whole new topic, leaving you still keep thinking Catholics pray to Mary as in asking Mary to answer our prayer with her own power.

I'm quite not sure what's the difference here?

Intersect. Just like how fghvbn request us to pray for him.
If what you mean by "prayer partners" is that I pray for the saints too, then no. Saints don't need prayer from us as they are already in Heaven.

sure, if you have the time to go through this 1 hour audio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg-91hRAJ8Y
let me explain first, the video is about "the communion of saints" based on the Catholic's understand and what we talked about actually falls under this doctrine.

he's tackling the issue on scripture basis.

you should go on and listen. I think he explained it on the next sentence.
He didn't say "if I say, you sin too".

I can assure you Catholic Church has nothing to do with this whatever illuminati.

maybe forget about him la if you think he doesn't answer your question.
what he said is every sin actually effect others.

I didn't hear him saying out "if I sin, then you are actually sinning too". he just said every sin affects each other. maybe the "private sin" is a poor choice of word, he's human after all.

Think of this, if I shoot someone, someone will be hurt or even physically die. This is on the physical level. How about spiritual level? I will have just encouraged hatred.

he's trying to tackle it on the general basis. I have seen a website... well, the famous "got question to ask?" pulled out Deut 18 into debate.

are you the real nehneh?

heh unknown warrior, any questions ask jedi hehehe.
i'm outta here first