God does not force our hand. because God already knows we will choose option 3.

hence predetermination.
hence omniscience

its only that we do not know what we will choose.


christian go to hell and back?

bro, i just disregard the video. thks. i just use your post to add reply bcoz they have youtube app on it. thks. video not directed at or to you. thks in advance.

bro, i just disregard the video. thks. i just use your post to add reply bcoz they have youtube app on it. thks. video not directed at or to you. thks in advance.

30 min long la... wait i got free time only watch. lolz

no need watch. i post for others. thks. i post on other ppl they also will ask why so for convenience sake i add reply your post.

u say no need watch, i die die also gonna watch...

bluek...

if u watch, you kena my perangkap alredy dont.

oh ok.

i knew it is fake story. so no watch

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Thats not the point, that rubbish wannabe church at Tmn Billion, is making focus on god first as a political excuse to sideline people they don;t like. THis way, they can place the people they don;t like in one corner and the people they like who get preferential treatment on another side. They are trying to hide their discrimination towards those they don't like under the premise of telling those people who make complains to forget about it to focus to god.

You don't get my point, u r ignoring the problem, but saying not to focus on men but god. U go read Paul's letters, he say all sorts of internal strife at his church. Got pretenders and even people backstabbing apostle paul. U think he just keep quiet and focus on god?

No...he went on to write to tell the church people what to do with these pretenders and people who say bad things about him. In other words, Paul address the problem even when he was thousands of miles away from churches like Ladocea..Corinth...etc. Worse still those days no Pos Laju or Internet. Paper also scarce..with papyrus Paul still get his message through.

1st gen christians are much better than the 3rd gen christians. I hate 3rd gen christians because they act like they so elite...they just like Harry Potter's nemesis...who don't like those wizard's who r 1st gen, call them "mudblood".

The problem at Tmn Billion church is that they r focusing on discrimination n pre judgement on other people.

Somebody should take a swipe at them and after that allow godly karma to take its course.

I pray that the slimy church won't grow.

U say like it is so easy ah.

U think Satan is not the cunning wolf?

U don't tell me nobody hurt u before ah?

I know we can overcome..through jesus but i hate it when churchleaders use this as a reason to shut out dissent and not address problems at church.

I talk from experience.

but I'm nobody special.

If God can take care of me, He can take care of you too.

Used to be very hard to let go of worrying but now by God's grace, I don't worry anymore.

I don't do things in my own strength to ensure my survival.

I just let it go to God. He will supply all my need.

More evidence of Christ Jesus, 1500 years old Mosaic discovered.



http://news.yahoo.com/ancient-church-mosai...-160232405.html

Archaeologists in Israel have uncovered intricate mosaics on the floor of a 1,500-year-old Byzantine church, including one that bears a Christogram surrounded by birds.

Just off the courtyard, in the church's narthex, or lobby area, there is "a fine mosaic floor decorated with colored geometric designs" as well as a "twelve-row dedicatory inscription in Greek containing the names 'Mary' and 'Jesus', and the name of the person who funded the mosaic's construction," Varga said in a statement.

Aiyoo, I'm talking life in general, first & foremost is always God. Because a lot of people backslide when leaders fall, when their leaders sin, they feel discouraged, disillusioned & dont come to church anymore. That shouldnt be the way.

I'm not ignoring the problem, one the churches I attended in another state almost split, so I have been thru & know. 1st thing is to pray & intercede as to what to do. Then go do, not sit goyang kaki. But... a lot of us feel hurt, angry, go do 1st(operating in the flesh), then only tell God to bless.

Like the other poster said, anointing. Serving also we need anointing.
When I said some people sikit2 butthurtt is speaking from experience as assistant leader. Talk one sentence also get offended, go complain to the pastor, lol. I talk direct & serious one when there is task to be completed, like working time. Some like to talk nenek moyang story, then only do work, I want faster2 do, then I can go do other thing. My colleagues & customers at work also not so sensitive

HIyaa, want to cerita abt church & church people, berjela2 one. Just told you the main points

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Jan 24 2014, 11:21 AM

yes, it is. we're nobody special and we're same like every sinner. the experience i had is like walking on a sky wire of 14th floor, if I look down and think too much.. I will start worrying how will I die if I fall down, I had no choice but to walk front even the REAL fear exist and the REAL danger are real. I made my choice, all I can do is pray and look ONLY into Jesus eye and start walk front else I will fall.

Yeah la aiyo aiyo some more. What i mean is if you feel the church is not suitable because they r deutchbags, split la. There are 1000 churches in Klang valley why u gotta hang around with deuchbags?

You cannot get annointing wihout trying, kapeesh? So its your job to go out there and try out which ministry is suitable or not. Try few months, not suitable then try another ministry. But there are some little napoleans out there however, who wants their own cronies only in their ministry, so be prepared to kena bantai.

You think those complain complain butthurt are small potatoes ah? U think any tom, d***, harry can simply go and complain to pastor. If the person can complain to the pastor and pastor take action, the person got political backing. Understand? U as an assistant leader totally have no awareness of what is happening. I recall my cell got a member who is the secretary to the main pastor, when my cg had an uprising because a member wanted to coup the leader, the secretary complained and the main pastor stepped in...the rebellious members dibuang negara.

Those talk nenek moyang story are those aunties who are want to gossip at everyh turn. The difference my one is that I am talking about discrimination and gross political marginalisation of people they don't like, favourtism. Understand?

Yes, when you do this, it means you must submit to his will.

Meaning whatever ambitions you got..like wanna be a doctor, want to marry a beautiful wife, want to have kids, want to drive a nice car...all this worldly stuff...you submit to his will..and you may not get it.

Its either this, god will bless u...but on the bigger things you want (which reflects your own self preserverance) (I am sure you got)...he may either grant you in later life or not at all.

Example, when Abraham and Sarai, was so eager to have their own offspring, took so long until Sarai was pregnant with Isaac at age 80 ! Impossible at today's feat. This is while Abraham see his neighbors can get pregnant at 30, if his faith wasn't strong, he would have grind his teeth and said why I get child at 80? But my friend here get child at 30?

Yes, I even know of a youth pastor, his faith is strong, he found the woman he like. Alas, he married late, he badly wanted a child, but due to their late age, they were unable to conceive.

Or a pastor who graduated as an engineer from local uni, but he took the path of pastoralship instead. 20 years later, he is driving a protong, he saw his classmate driving a mercedes, though he no regrets..the pastor almost fell into temptation of disatisfaction.

Yes I also know that on paper, if we really truly believe in god, all this worldly stuff doesn't really matter, doesn't it? We die, we bury six feet deep, cremate or what...we just rot and go back to the ground, dust to dust..ashes to ashes...even the rich, the powerful, kings and queens, all will be same level when we all die...six feet below.

We can't take our material possessions with us to the afterlife. Its our life in earth, how we live for christ is judged..is what counts.

But..you don't tell me, not for a sec...you don't winch...or tempted to lift up your fist in the air...and say something you not happy to god? Even though you submit your every will to god's will?

Fren, its not easy as ABC to say "by God's grace, I don't worry anymore".

What you say is very true...but the enemy is watching and he will definitely test you. By all means you will overcome (but there are cases some didn't), but you will know and come to understand how i feel when you do.

hahaha, I know and am aware but I dont let it effect my faith. I'm not in full time ministry anyway. The example is small example, the big issues I would not talk abt it in public forum.
My pt is, if small thing also so easily butthurtt, then big thing? Pengsan terus lah those ppl.

The issues went up as high as Msia's general council, in charge of whole Msia one. What you describe, more geng stuff also got. So, it is not that I take light of your....hmm suffering, but with time, God will heal the wounds and we are able to move on. Sounds cliche but true

On giftings and ministries to serve, there is such thing called spiritual gifts profile. Whether is introvert, extrovert, task or people oriented,etc

U profiling also u dun know unless u try.

Got serius thing also but never go to general council.

Like my friend at youth church, got pregnant...out of wedlock, with her boyfriend who work full time at the church audio ministry. Because of the "sin" the boyfriend committed, he kena buang kerja. But for her, the blady church persuaded her to give up her baby for adoption.

Crap, i was there at the hospital when she gave birth...so heartbreaking to see a mom give away her baby...heck she was only 21 then.

Whereas when the pastor daughter kena pregnant with the boyfriend who is hte worship leader.....the only punishment he got was that he had to confess in front of the whole congregation. Then they got married in big ceremony...

Double standards...pastor son-in-law got away with slap on the back of the hand whereas poor guy kena buang kerja.

aih awesome la reading up on all this church politics hehe