Knowing on paper is one thing, daring to live out what you believe on paper is another thing right?


Faith.

Those who dare to live on right thing usually gets persecuted in their own church. Thats the crap thing about it. We are suppose to get persecuted by outsiders not from our very own, or so called own.

You see, the people who rise up fast in church are those who back stab other people, polish shoe to get their spots up there. Even everyday they know too well, that all this are just worldly posessions.

You think its easy, you just tell yourself to focus on god. But i tell you your ministry will face challenges especially from within.

Just yesterday, my fren from that stinking tmn B church, told me, he got a phone call from the pastor...asking him to come for some activities. He was thinking, why suddenly the big time pastor is calling him? The youth have 12 gutless spinless leaders and on top of that they have a big head rich man son leading them. Why none of them are calling him? They are not empowered meh? Useless..

THen he rememberd posting some small jokes at the church watsapp...he didn't get too good response on it, he told me the joke, i thought the church was a bit too serious about it. Maybe some arseholeee church member filed a complain to the pastor, thats why the pastor has been pestering him to go to certain activities.

Just like what Eduardo Saverin receive a phone call from his buddy Zuckerberg to come back to office...just to receive the bad news, that his shares are being diluted to 0.06% (The Social Network).

Of course, nothing of that sort, my friend doesn't work for that stinking church, so what can they do to him? He knows the only weapon they can apply is the weapon of snub and gutter politics. So what for attend their meetings? I tell him to go elsewhere la, don't be stuck at this forsaken POS church.

So trivial matter, the church also wanna take action.

I see you understand some basics of Christianity but you don't subscribe to the deeper side of it.

Have you read Ephesians 6:12 and do you understand what it means?

skydrake

I found this song, very encouraging and soothing.
Share with you.

How could Allah have a Son?

What is this? This is not a challenge for grades on who is better at christian knowledge/theology.

You still don't get my point.

My point is not to ignore the politics that goes on at the church. One has got to challenge it and fight the system. Some leaders are using certain verses like "submissioN" and "focus on god" for their own selfish agendas.

to demonstrate an understanding how God loves us.

No it's not a challenge.
But if you have intention to be a really a disciple of Christ you must have proper understanding of Ephesians 6:12.
It has to do with fighting but not in the sense of what you think fighting is.

Otherwise you'll live your life disgruntled with people all the time.
You will have no peace in your life.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 27 2014, 09:46 AM

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Glad u still remember I love these type of songs

Btw bro, I'm leaving Malaysia on end of February. Going out to Honiara, Solomon Island for work/businesses opportunity purpose and only will be back to Malaysia every 6 month. Be frank, I never plan of this before.. It just came out of sudden. My brother in law had offer me this opportunity and this opportunity had free up my time & helps up my financial crisis. I'm no longer a guy who work day & night to get my living $ in Kuala Lumpur.

I will have plenty of time to self upgrade myself and learn more bible knowledge. And I had found that Honiara, Solomon Island religion are base on Christian too.

Btw, do you have facebook? if you do, please add me by searching skydrakex@gmail.com because this is the fastest way to keep in touch with me by facebook messenger or email me. Or else, we only could message thru LYN inbox.

Lucky too this place have internet lines.

Yup Honiara is predominantly Christian nation.

I will pray for your success. Looks like God is moving you to better place.

you can keep in touch with me here.

my facebook, i never update.

ok ok. yeah~ God is moving me to a place where I got more time to do his work. Every piece of my work was his plan anyway, all I needs to do is walk closer with him.

just keep in touch in here? email? just incase LYN down and I got other option to keep in touch with u

Sometimes we have to defend ourselves.

Z100 will be cringing in anger reading this...but its no slander, its real life.

I recall being part of a cg...the cg leader always get angry and say bad thing behind member's back.

Got one of my fren, he had to miss a few meetings to prepare for his examination. This cg leader ah go and say the cg member not commital enough la, say he not believing enuf la...

Then when he came back from his exam, the cg leader tell us to ignore him for the whole duration of the meeting..punishment for him going missing for 3 cg meeting.

Apa ini? I was just a college student then, it really crush our hearts man to see the cg leader who is grown man going around bully his young cg members..

we should have stood up, and voice up our disagreement.

If you take the time to read the Bible,

you'll find the answer in Genesis 1 itself.

Genesis 1:21 covers it.

If you don't practice the biblical principal outlined by the Holy Spirit, you'll be fighting people your whole life.

It's really your choice.

you fight or let God fight for you.

Who is stronger?

you may want to read this.

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent....=9&article=2416

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent....=9&article=1493

and there are 2 world views; still very much discussed.


YEC and OEC.

pehkay may have better insight.

Rare that someone tag me

Well, that will be where YEC Christians have a hard time explaining that. I made a post about this ...

The most scriptural one that I subscribed to is the gap theory between verse 1 and verse 2. This was explained quite well by the Brethren during the 19th century due to the rise of evidence for an much older earth (>2000 years).

Most Christians think that Genesis 1:1 is the subject of the first two chapters of Genesis. They were taught that these two chapters are a record of God's creation, and that chapter 1, verse 1 is the subject. But if verse 1 is the subject, how can verse 2 start with "and"? "And" means that something is going on already, and then something else happens to follow it. "And" is a conjunction which combines two things: the first thing goes and the second thing comes. Even the grammar shows that verse 1 is not the subject, but part of the description. It describes the first event in a series. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and..." This means that after God created, something happened.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth became waste and empty." The Concordant Version of Genesis translates the verse this way: "Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant." The Concordant Version does not say "and"; it says "yet." "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant." A chaos is a mess. The earth became a chaos—waste and vacant. Something happened between verse 1 and verse 2 which caused the earth to become waste and empty.

Between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 there was a period of time, called the interval. No one can say how long this interval was. At any rate, it must have been a very long period of time. It is probably at that time after the original creation, Satan and his angels rebelled (Ezek. 28:15-18; Isa. 14:13-14). Moreover, we can infer that in this pre-Adamic age there existed on the earth some living beings with spirits and that these beings also joined Satan in his rebellion against God. Thus, Satan, his fallen angels, and these living beings were all judged by God. After they were judged by God, these beings lost their bodies and became disembodied spirits.

The rebellion surely defiled the heavens and the earth as shown when God rebuked Satan, "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries" (Ezek. 28:18). So, the heavens and the earth were also judged by God.

Job 9:5-7 says that God overturned the mountains in His anger, shook the earth out of its place, commanded the sun not to rise, and sealed the stars. When did God do this? We cannot find a record of such an event in human history. It must have happened before the Adamic world, at the time God judged the heavens and the earth due to the rebellion of Satan and his followers. Because of God's judgment, the heavens did not shine. The earth was covered by darkness. The fact that the earth, after being judged by God, was buried under the deep water proves that God must have judged the earth by flooding it with water. So, "the earth became waste and empty," buried under deep water, and covered with darkness (Gen. 1:2).

Isaiah 45:18 tells us, "God created the earth not a waste" (Heb.). Job 38:4-7 shows that God created the earth in good order. It says that when God "laid the foundations of the earth," "laid the measures thereof," and "stretched the line upon it," "the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God [the angels] shouted for joy." When God laid the foundations of the earth, He laid the measure upon it and stretched the line upon it. This means that He created it in good order. So, when the morning stars saw it, they were excited and sang, and when all the angels saw it, they shouted for joy. When did this happen? It must have happened in Genesis 1:1, not in Genesis 1:2. How could the morning stars sing and the angels shout for joy when the earth became waste and empty?

Hope it helps ....

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 29 2014, 03:43 PM

Well, Keep on searching then.


My advise is don't conclude anything yet.
Science data is always changing as time goes.

Isn't Homo-habilis an Animal?

I don't see how that is related.

Because if I guess it right, you're trying to force through from Scientific POV, eliminating any possibility that God existed and that Evolution is right, debunking the Bible in the process.

With that kind of objective in mind, I see it's kinda pointless to have discussion even.

So u just sit there and keep quiet? That is your idea of you allowing God to fight for you?

That is not an act of faith. Faith need works to put it into practice.

I give u a story of a man who lost his oars in while he was rowing his boat. So he let his faith save him, his boat move by the flow of the current. It pass by another fisherman's boat, "he ask the man, i'll pass my rope to you and then you pull your boat to my boat and "I'll tie our boats together". But the stupid man say, I have faith in god, he will guide me out of the torrents. Then his boat pass by, he saw a kid by the shoreline. The kid shouted out to him that he will call the rescue services to send a helicopter to rescue him. But the man refused, he say, by my faith god will pull me out of this. Then his boat reached a big waterfall, it fell, he drowned.

For me, whenever i face politics at church, I will stand up and shout injustice. I haven't said anything yet at that tmn bilon church, but i will say my peace soon. There is some discrimnation there, i don't like it. There are some young leaders who think they are the crem de la crem. Got one fat lady there, she even laugh at a mentally challenged youth there. She as a leader, discriminate other members, when she doesn't look at herself in the mirror (her biceps are as big as my head). I am gonna speak up.

if he wants to keep quiet he would not replying your comments. from your comment, u said "For me, whenever i face politics at church, I will stand up and shout injustice", after u has done it. did it solve the problem? is it the best way to do? i m curious and likes to know more.

Some basic talk

With everyone claiming their religion is the one and true one (or the other extreme, all roads lead to Rome)...

What is the most definitive proof that Jesus is the real God and no one else?