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post Feb 7 2014, 08:28 AM

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Last case on Gospel of John.

THE NEED OF THE DEAD-LIFE’S RESURRECTING

The case of raising Lazarus from the dead is certainly a wonderful case. Here we see the case of a man who had died, who had been buried for four days, and who had begun to stink. Nevertheless, he was resurrected. Why do the other three Gospels give us no record of this wonderful case? Although this case is marvelous, the other Gospels say nothing about it. This case of resurrection does not fit in with the purposes of the other three Gospels; it only suits the purpose of the Gospel of John. Matthew, Mark, and Luke are Gospels with purposes other than life. John is the Gospel on life. Therefore, the Holy Spirit kept this case for John. This proves that the Gospel of John is a book of life.

THE DEAD AND HIS NEED

In 11:1-4 we see the dead and his need. Lazarus was not only sick but also dead (11:14). Thus, he did not need healing but resurrecting. In the Lord’s salvation He does not merely heal the sick; He also gives life to the dead. So He remained two days until the sick one had died (11:6). The Lord does not reform people or regulate them; He regenerates people and raises them out of death. Hence, the first of the nine cases is on regeneration and the last is on resurrection, revealing that all of the different aspects of Christ as life to us, as unveiled in the other seven cases, are in the principle of regeneration and resurrection. This last case is the actual changing of death into life.

Before going into the matter of Christ raising Lazarus from the dead, we must realize that the Gospel of John reveals two things. On the positive side, it reveals that Christ came to be our life. The Son of God is the Word of God, which is the expression of God. As the expression of God, He came in the flesh to be our life. This central thought is found in every chapter throughout the entire Gospel. On the negative side, this book also shows that religion, even the Jewish religion of Judaism, is very much against Christ as life. By reading this book carefully, you will see how even the sound and genuine religion opposes Christ as life. Within the first ten chapters of this Gospel, the only opposition our Lord met came from the Jewish religion. Religion opposed Him, rejected Him, repudiated Him, and persecuted Him. Eventually, at the end of chapter ten, He was forced to desert religion. He forsook the temple, the holy city, and all the good things of the Jewish religion and came to a new standing.

In every chapter from chapter one through chapter ten we can see one point concerning religion versus Christ. In chapter one we see that religion was expecting a great leader to come. Religion looked for the so-called Messiah, Elijah, or the promised prophet. However, Christ did not come as a great leader, but as the little Lamb of God to accomplish redemption and with a little dove to produce the transformed stones for God’s building. Thus, even in the first chapter of this Gospel we find an indication that religion takes the wrong way, a way other than the way of life. There is a great discrepancy between religion and life.

In chapter two we see that religion will try to destroy life, for religion will try to destroy Jesus. But Jesus as the divine life will raise Himself out of that destruction. Life not only can withstand destruction, but can raise Himself up out of the destruction of death.

In chapter three we see that Nicodemus, a high-class man, held a religious concept of the Lord Jesus, addressing Him as rabbi and referring to Him as a teacher sent from God. All such concepts are religious.

In chapter four we see that even a poor, mean, immoral, low-class Samaritan woman held a religious concept. At a certain point in her conversation with the Lord she began to speak about the worship of God. Although the religion among the Samaritans was not orthodox, it was a religion. The Samaritans had a religious tradition and inheritance.

In chapter five we see religion’s opposition to life fully aroused. This was due to the fact that the Lord Jesus enlivened the impotent man on the Sabbath day. To the Jews, it seemed that He broke their regulations about the Sabbath. Consequently, they began to oppose Him. In fact, they began to be very much against the Lord. By this case we can see how the rules and regulations of religion are in opposition to the Lord as life to the needy. The Lord who is our life is one thing, but religion with all of its rules and regulations is another. Christ as life and religion with its regulations can never go together.

We also see something of religion in chapter six. When the people saw that Jesus had fed the multitude with five loaves and two fishes they said, “This is truly the prophet who is to come into the world” (6:14). They were about to force the Lord to be their King (6:15). That was a religious concept. The Lord Jesus withdrew from them, for He wanted to remain as the small bread, good for people’s food.

We see another religious concept in chapter seven. The people at the religious feast were discussing Jesus, but Jesus stood and cried, asking them to turn from their dry religion and come to the source of living water.

We see more of religion in chapter eight. The religious scribes and Pharisees tried to trap the Lord by asking Him, in their religious way, how to deal with an adulterous woman. But the Lord answered in the way of life, exposing their folly in holding on to their religion and silencing them with shame.

The opposition of religion to life is strengthened in chapter nine. In chapter five the Lord enlivened an impotent man on the Sabbath. In chapter nine, He gave sight to a blind man. He purposely did this on the Sabbath day. Why did not the Lord Jesus go to the blind man before or after the Sabbath day? He did it purposely to break the dead rituals of dead religion. That stirred religion’s opposition against life. The Lord purposely broke the Sabbath regulation before the eyes of the religious Jews. The eyes of the blind man received sight, but the eyes of the Pharisees received blindness due to their opposition. The Jews thought that Jesus was very much against their religion because He broke the regulations of their religion. Hence, they became very angry with the Lord and began to oppose Him. They even excommunicated the man who had been healed by the Lord (9:34). When they cast the blind man out of their synagogue, they excommunicated him from their Judaistic religion. Then the Lord took the opportunity to tell them that Judaism was nothing other than a sheepfold which keeps the sheep for awhile. Now that the pasture is ready, the sheep will be released from the fold and brought into the pasture. The Lord Jesus let them know that since they had excommunicated the blind man from their religion, a sheep was released from that fold and brought into Christ as the living pasture. At the end of chapter ten, the Lord walked out of the fold of the Jewish religion.

In the first ten chapters of this Gospel we see the fighting, the struggle, between religion and life. Eventually, the Lord deserted that religion and went outside of it. Where is He now? He is outside of religion. He has nothing to do with it. Now, in His new standing, there is no religious element. All the elements of religion have been excluded.

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post Feb 7 2014, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(jimineycric @ Jan 30 2014, 10:33 PM)
Yes, we can change theories as new answers/scientific proofs are being discovered through science. No doubt about that. That's how it should be.. That's how we separate truth/facts from myths/lies.
I think there is some flaws in the bible. People should learn to accept that. I'm not saying everything in the bible is flawed. Just certain context of it..
I would love to be proven wrong. I really do...

Btw, homo-habilis is an extinct species of humans ancestor of modern humans and the earliest hominid to make tools. This species existed between 1.5 and 2.0 million years ago.

Of course evolution is right, all u need to do is take a look in the mirror.. smile.gif
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A lot of people "think" the bible is flawed because they expect it to be something that it's not or they have a flaw understanding of it.

I vouch the later to be more true from my experiences of people.

I see myself everyday and I'm far more convinced that I'm a creation, created in God's own image rather than a product of chance which makes no sense at all.



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post Feb 7 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Jan 31 2014, 10:33 AM)
So u just sit there and keep quiet? That is your idea of you allowing God to fight for you?

That is not an act of faith. Faith need works to put it into practice.

I give u a story of a man who lost his oars in while he was rowing his boat. So he let his faith save him, his boat move by the flow of the current. It pass by another fisherman's boat, "he ask the man, i'll pass my rope to you and then you pull your boat to my boat and "I'll tie our boats together". But the stupid man say, I have faith in god, he will guide me out of the torrents. Then his boat pass by, he saw a kid by the shoreline. The kid shouted out to him that he will call the rescue services to send a helicopter to rescue him. But the man refused, he say, by my faith god will pull me out of this. Then his boat reached a big waterfall, it fell, he drowned.

For me, whenever i face politics at church, I will stand up and shout injustice. I haven't said anything yet at that tmn bilon church, but i will say my peace soon. There is some discrimnation there, i don't like it. There are some young leaders who think they are the crem de la crem. Got one fat lady there, she even laugh at a mentally challenged youth there. She as a leader, discriminate other members, when she doesn't look at herself in the mirror (her biceps are as big as my head). I am gonna speak up.
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That's because you don't believe God will fight for you, that's why you need to resort doing thing on your own, base on what you know best which may aggravate the situation further.

But I do and God is faithful to my prayers. smile.gif

and I'm here to tell you, He will answer you too, if you have faith.

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 6 2014, 07:35 PM)
Some basic talk

With everyone claiming their religion is the one and true one (or the other extreme, all roads lead to Rome)...

What is the most definitive proof that Jesus is the real God and no one else?
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post Feb 7 2014, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 7 2014, 09:55 AM)

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Oooooooooo this is the first time I've hear this kind of explanation on youtube.

Does he have a more extensive analysis on this subject floating somerwhere, or this is the only section?
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 7 2014, 04:41 PM)
Oooooooooo this is the first time I've hear this kind of explanation on youtube.

Does he have a more extensive analysis on this subject floating somerwhere, or this is the only section?
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He has lots of intellectual sermons, about 45- 1 hour.

you can start with this one. smile.gif


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post Feb 7 2014, 07:09 PM

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Many have attributed God to be the ultimate abuser, because He said 'I'(As almighty god himself) am the only way, any no other.

Another example is the Tree of Knowledge. Why put such a catastrophic tree, tell humans not to eat it, when He knows humans will disobey.

It's like setting up the existence of humans to just be thrown to hell.

I find it very difficult to accept this corundum too. I am bitter inside as I see so many are born with a destiny to Hell.
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post Feb 8 2014, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 7 2014, 07:09 PM)
Many have attributed God to be the ultimate abuser, because He said 'I'(As almighty god himself) am the only way, any no other.

Another example is the Tree of Knowledge. Why put such a catastrophic tree, tell humans not to eat it, when He knows humans will disobey.

It's like setting up the existence of humans to just be thrown to hell.

I find it very difficult to accept this corundum too. I am bitter inside as I see so many are born with a destiny to Hell.
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post Feb 8 2014, 04:54 PM

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If I get it right, the world is created based on the most possibility of love?

There's then another question peoplpe ask me. Or actually punched in the face figuratively speaking.

'Why should I follow a god that forces me to love him? It's either love god, or thrown to hell. What kind of choice is this? Isn't the threat of eternal punishment the same as forcing someone into submission?'
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this guy, Ravi is amazing
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post Feb 8 2014, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(yawnay @ Feb 8 2014, 06:01 PM)
this guy, Ravi is amazing
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Yeah, I'm listening to his stuff now biggrin.gif

(still have lots of people attacking him sad.gif )
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post Feb 8 2014, 06:20 PM

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their freewill, honour it as God did.
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post Feb 8 2014, 06:26 PM

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as for the question u mentioned, truth always hurts. Jesus just stating the facts, those ppl still have their freewill to choose to believe or not. For me, avoid going to hell is the by product, the point is u are reconnected with your creator.
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balancing white and black
that why satan exist
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 8 2014, 04:54 PM)
If I get it right, the world is created based on the most possibility of love?

There's then another question peoplpe ask me. Or actually punched in the face figuratively speaking.

'Why should I follow a god that forces me to love him? It's either love god, or thrown to hell. What kind of choice is this? Isn't the threat of eternal punishment the same as forcing someone into submission?'
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Nobody can love God unless they know & understand what God has done for them.

We are here to proclaim that good news.
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:52 AM

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FINAL CASE SEEN IN JOHN

FRUSTRATION OF HUMAN OPINIONS

Now we come to the last case. This case is not in the Judaistic fold; it is outside of it. After the Lord went out of Jerusalem, He went to a home in Bethany of one brother and two sisters who loved Him very much. Before He came, something happened in this home. The brother, Lazarus, became seriously ill, and the sisters sent a message to the Lord, which means that they prayed to Him (11:3). There is nothing wrong with prayer. If you are in trouble, you must send a message to the Lord. At any time you can send a word to Him. You may send Him the information about any situation. But what He would do is up to Him.

Chapter eleven serves a very specific purpose: it shows us that besides the opposition of religion, human opinions are the strongest frustration to life. Throughout the foregoing chapters, the problem that life faced was with religion. As we have seen, in every chapter life was opposed by religion. However, there is no religion in chapter eleven. But there is another kind of frustration—the frustration from human opinion. What is revealed in this chapter that frustrates the resurrection power of the Lord? It is the human opinions. This chapter vividly portrays how the human opinions frustrate the Lord’s resurrection life. Once human opinions are subdued, resurrection life is manifested. This is not a matter in religion, but in the church, at the home in Bethany, which is a miniature of the church life.

In Jerusalem, you are in religion; in Bethany, you are in the local church. In Jerusalem you have religion; in the local church you have the problem of human opinions. In chapters one through ten, Christ as life is fully revealed and, at the same time, religion is exposed. Now, in chapter eleven, Christ as the resurrection life is unfolded, but, at the same time, human opinions are brought to the surface. Although there is no problem of religion in the church, there is nevertheless another kind of hindrance, the hindrance of human opinion. The Lord is the resurrection life, but He is hindered by the opinions. This chapter is filled with human opinions.

Martha and Mary considered that the Lord should have come immediately. This was their opinion. But the Lord never acts on the basis of anyone’s opinion; He always acts according to His own will. They thought that the Lord should come immediately, but the Lord purposely stayed away for two more days.

The Lord is the resurrection and the life and death is no problem to Him. It is easy for Him to swallow up death. Death may be a problem to us, but it is not a problem to Christ. He as resurrection can overcome death and swallow it up. However, when we come to applying Him as resurrection, we face the problem of human opinions.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 11 2014, 09:45 AM)
Nobody can love God unless they know & understand what God has done for them.

We are here to proclaim that good news.
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Their understanding is blocked off from Satan. Only God can lift off that blockage. In the end it's all down to their fate isn't it? sad.gif
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 11 2014, 03:20 PM)
Their understanding is blocked off from Satan.  Only God can lift off that blockage. In the end it's all down to their fate isn't it? sad.gif
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not really, I believe everyone will have a chance to hear the gospel, pending children and people born under abnormal circumstances.


Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.



edit: and those we know in need of Salvation, our duty is to pray for that blockage to be opened in the name of our God.

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It kind of clashes with predestination as I understand it. But then again, my cousin's husband describes predestination as something like this

'I'm born a human, in the image of God. So it's my predestiny to know God"

Something like that.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 11 2014, 04:43 PM)
It kind of clashes with predestination as I understand it. But then again, my cousin's husband describes predestination as something like this

'I'm born a human, in the image of God. So it's my predestiny to know God"

Something like that.
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God wants everyone to be reconciled back to him.

That is not predestination but his will, what God wants.

It has nothing to with fate or pre-destination.

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