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post Jul 29 2013, 09:57 PM

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Genesis 2:18
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

So woman was made just so man would not be foreveralone.

gosh, if only Adam knew what he was in for!

Had God made Steve instead, they would both be enjoying the great outdoors, go camping together, fishing, swimming, eating, planting, etc etc happily ever after.

but Eve had to screw things up.
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post Aug 4 2013, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Aug 4 2013, 02:07 PM)
in Hebrew, theres a girl name Lilith for Adam, before Eve
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Adam and Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel.

so who was the other women who bred with Cain? his sister?

is the earth really 6000 B.C old?
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post Aug 4 2013, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(henghuang @ Aug 4 2013, 02:35 PM)
Cain bred with who is non of your business.

yes, the bible told us the earth is 6000 years old.
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why none of my business?

the earth, the sun, and the moon is 6000 years old.

but our solar system is longer than that.

so means other planets were in orbit long before the sun was formed. right?

QUOTE(highlowyat @ Aug 4 2013, 02:37 PM)
the garden of eden in ancient sumeria was an experiment lab for new species mankind
earth is billion years old in linear time.. mankind is few thousand years old.
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oh so we have alien scientists conducting experiments?
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post Aug 4 2013, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Aug 4 2013, 02:42 PM)
they are not aliens they are our ancestors and creators.. they are "God" to us
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they built the pyramids too.

ancient drawings shows circular UFOs hovering in the sky.

too bad they left.

QUOTE(henghuang @ Aug 4 2013, 02:43 PM)
Because God told us so, and you cannot question it.

Why cannot question?

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The solar system was created before the earth dumb dumb, of course it's going to be older.

But how can solar system exist, without a centrifugal force (ie the sun) to keep planets in orbit?

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Science is wrong and should be ashamed of itself.
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there is no wrong or right in science.

science is just a method of observing and recording phenomenons that occur around us and beyond.

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post Aug 4 2013, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 4 2013, 05:27 PM)
You guys, please take it outside.

You have RWI for that.

This thread is a fellowship thread for Christians.
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well, i asked a valid question, but some wanna troll. lol.


i also have questions on nephilim. whether they are really sons of angels or not..or how it got so big.

as i know, angels are sexless, but some claim that fallen angels were able to mate.

now this is confusing.
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post Aug 4 2013, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 4 2013, 06:14 PM)
Well angels are God's ministering servants sent to those who are saved. (Hebrews 1:14)
They were not suppose to harm human in anyway.
That's the idea of servant hood.

The Bible also indicate that the angels are God's eyes and ear and mouth.
So whatever they do, God knows.

Servants yes, but God still knows because of omniscience right

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Fallen angels on the other hand are on Satan's side, they are also corrupted.
The plans of Satan to corrupt whatever God intended.
He got really afraid when God said in Genesis 3:15, that an offspring of Eve will crush his head. (Jesus)

That is why he sent his corrupted angels or (demons if you will) to corrupt the seed of human kind by inter marriage with them with
the hope that seed who will crush his head will not happened. Believe or not, satan wanted to corrupt the entire human race (whole earth) at that time.

As you know, later God sent the flood to wipe them off.
This I believe is the real reason why God send the flood.

Because it's not per say that human are wicked. I believe it's because
of this perversion breeding, the inclination of the human heart got wicked. (half human, half angels) thus the nephilim.

As to whether how they are giants size, why not? Fallen angels are super natural beings.
I don't see why it's not reasonable for their corrupted off springs to be supernatural as well.
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but if angels were made sexless, neither male nor female, how can they become masculine/male when they were evicted from heaven? rclxub.gif

angels possessing humans? but the genes would still be normal human....
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post Aug 4 2013, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 4 2013, 06:34 PM)
Yup

Jeremiah 23:24
Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?" declares the LORD. "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD.

Hebrews 4:13
Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
This is one of the gray areas in Christianity.

I believe this popular view that Angels are sexless comes from the passage

Matthew 22:30 (NIV)
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

But the problem is, no where in that passage does it indicate angels are sexless. It just says there there will be no need of marriage. To me no marriage doesn't mean there's no gender.

The greek word for angels is "angelos" which denote more towards male. Hardly the Bible use the feminine definition for angels.

You can see a few instances.

Genesis 19 (NIV)
1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground.
2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.” “No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate.
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.
5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men  who came to you tonight?Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

The people of soddom saw those angels as "men"
Zechariah 1:19 (ESV)
19 And I said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these?” And he said to me, “These are the horns that have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.
Here you can see, the prophet Zechariah recorded the angel as a "he".
Anyway, all these gray areas will be answered when we meet God in Heaven, if you still want to know by then.  biggrin.gif
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thanks

even God is referred to in a masculine way.

perhaps angels can shape shift in the form of man.

but niphilim really intrigues me. after the flood, the fallen angels didnt attempt to breed with humans again?
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post Aug 4 2013, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(highlowyat @ Aug 4 2013, 07:06 PM)
after the flood and europe dark ages.. god try to leave us alone by phase bcoz we are getting better
his angel return to earth sometimes, to deliver his message

before that, mankind still mating with the old species (apes like) eventho god told them not to do
and then god punish them by great flood.. its actually to restart the experiment
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you should try mating with one primate someday laugh.gif

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 4 2013, 07:12 PM)
Yup, perhaps.

Well don't really know man. Bible never mention about nephillim anymore after that.

But of course there the indication, the word, "and the days after" which probably refer to after Noah, the Bible did mention the Anakites, which
you can see in the book of deutronomy when the israelites saw as people who are taller and stronger. Goliath could be one example though.

I don't know if you will believe this, but you can google

Joe taylor giant
and you can see he found gigantic human bones.

Don't know if hoax or not.
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i know gigantism exists in our modern era..

but in those days, if the offspring is to be a giant, how would the woman contain it? unless the fallen angel husband had some power to sustain it. rclxub.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(Kravo @ Jan 23 2014, 01:02 PM)
is it proper to use that term in christian preaching, or just some mistake from past being keep carry on till now?

I have been approached by christian in past in kl, very long time ago, but never see/heard them using that term.
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go into churches that have indonesian sermons.

or orang asli churches in pahang/terengganu. Some even small huts in the forests.

you never see or heard them because the most common in peninsular are english, mandrin and tamil.

indonesian service usually starts in the afternoon and only some churches have it (where indonesian workers are living nearby)

and yes, its a proper term.

when translations are done by the missionaries, they use the words most familiar to the locals.
Allah being a known term for the Supreme Being, and it so happens has the semitic root words in hebrew and aramaic. so it became the proper translation in the malay language.

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post Jan 23 2014, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Kravo @ Jan 23 2014, 01:13 PM)
so it actually is due to translation?

imo, this is not proper.
just like if you trying to translate bible for chinese, you shouldn't use "guan ying" or "dian ti" as the supreme-whoever in the christian, it's just wrong.

the "special" term, are reserved specifically for that particular faith.

thank you for clearing up. at least now i know it's due to translation, ease for native to adopt, but it's not the origin/proper term.
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In chinese, the Supreme Being is translated as Shang Di. Shen is common word for god/lord. Shang Di is Lord of lords or The God.

Guan Yin is a diety only.

Also, Arabic Christians have long been using Allah long before Islam emerge. If you wanna argue about christians then and now are different, you're wrong.
Muhammad had confirmed them to be same by mentioning the three natures of God the christians worshipped, in the Quran.

Muslims also acknowledge the same God Christians worship - the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Both sides are worshipping the same God but different in features in each religion.
The word Allah came from aramaic Alaha, and Elah in hebrew.

If anyone wanna lay claim on Allah, it should be the Arabs and the Arab Christians. Not malays, not muslims.

sekian

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post Jan 23 2014, 01:20 PM

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Just to add, the prophet Muhammad never forbid the christians from using Allah either even if they view Allah in three roles.

In fact, Muhammad even ordered the muslims to respect the christians, safeguard their lives and properties, and do not place them in any way under compulsion.

If the Prophet himself have no issue, who then are we to have issue with it?

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post Jan 23 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 23 2014, 01:25 PM)
If you're familiar with the Bible, we call this spiritual blindness.
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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Jan 23 2014, 04:30 PM)
wrong...don't be brainwashed.

Yes priority is god but if you don't feel belonged to a church, you will definitely burn out.

Fellowship is very important. Of course no church is perfect but this tmn billion one is a piece of shiit. If there was a riot and people burn it down, i wouldn't feel sorry for it. In fact i will cheer it.

I served in one music ministry...lots of politics. Ya know what the leader told me off, he accuse me of wanting to join to learn up the audio stuff so when i master it, i will leave and profit elsewhere. What he doesn't know that i've been paying his salary indirectly via my 10% offerings and this is how i get treated for volunterring to serve. He made me attend rehearsals for 5 hours a week. He and his cohorts refuse to teach me, even with my own initiative to ask, wasn't entertained by the click group. But there was another guy who belonged to his cg (krony), that new guy within 4 weeks is already in charge of the RM40k lighting system, video and sound later on. While i was there for 4 months doing nothing. After that, i quit. I complain to my friend who work full time at church. Apparently, even his ministry have come into loggerhead with this leader. Bottom line is, see the initial warning signs if the ministry/church don't seem right, don't continue. There are some satan infested people even in church.

My fren at Ciiitttyy Harvvvvessssttt, served many years there, no doors was definitely open for him..why? It happened on the very day that when i attended a rally, they had some big shots comingfrom America, my fren forgot to greet them...and for that reason, he was given counselling and demoted. Outrageous. When i read the paper about KH and his wife apparent diversion of funds to her pop career, i wasn't surprise.

If something is not right, bail out. There are many churches out there. I am sure you will find the right one.

If you stay at unhappy church, even god open the door for you, you will not enter because by staying there, signafies your refusal to receive the open door.
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since u went city harvest, did u meet the lady in my profile pic? u shook her hand? smooth or not? har? har? har? drool.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Jan 23 2014, 06:00 PM)
Correction...spiritual awakening

Not blindness...

Awake...from the crap politics of church.

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My fren went, not the spore one la, the Sunway Ciiitttyyy Harvveessttt.
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aiyaa..

last time i was there for frens wedding, didnt notice the amoi accountant also.

next time i go i try again... oooh so hot.. milf liao. wub.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 23 2014, 06:04 PM)
bro, dont, if not God kill you. My friend fornicated church member. He died in accident.
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laugh.gif we all will die someday. u wanna live forever meh? tongue.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 23 2014, 06:07 PM)
bro, go ahead, find good christian one. See you die or not. Even in singapore one young man tries to got afetr another man wife. God told the pastor. and pastor warn the young man. He left church. I believe God would have killed him if he went ahead.
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if she is a good christian, she wont be persuaded to partake in fornication. If she does, she isnt good. so your point is invalid biggrin.gif

on the other hand, nothing you nor anyone can do, that will ever surprise God and make Him does things He never expect to do.
Everything has been pre determined long before we are even born. Live or die, has already been set. You can never change it, otherwise in doing so nullifies God's omniscience and predetermination.

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post Jan 23 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 23 2014, 10:20 PM)
While it's true nothing ever surprises God but it doesn't mean all our actions have been predetermined by God.

I think some people are confuse with this 2 thing.

Whichever decision we make at point A (Let say there are 8 options to choose at point A) that will lead to destination B. God does not force our hand to decide, say option No.3

What Omniscience means is that whether we choose option 1st or 6th or 8th, God will know.

You get it?  rclxub.gif
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God does not force our hand. because God already knows we will choose option 3.

hence predetermination.
hence omniscience hmm.gif

its only that we do not know what we will choose. biggrin.gif


QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 23 2014, 10:35 PM)

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christian go to hell and back? rclxub.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 23 2014, 10:51 PM)
bro, i just disregard the video. thks. i just use your post to add reply bcoz they have youtube app on it. thks. video not directed at or to you. thks in advance.
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30 min long la... wait i got free time only watch. lolz laugh.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 23 2014, 10:58 PM)
no need watch. i post for others. thks. i post on other ppl they also will ask why so for convenience sake i add reply your post.
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u say no need watch, i die die also gonna watch...

bluek... tongue.gif wub.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Z1000 @ Jan 23 2014, 11:25 PM)
if u watch, you kena my perangkap alredy dont.
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oh ok.

i knew it is fake story. so no watch biggrin.gif

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