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post Dec 23 2013, 07:19 PM

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Some interesting findings about the Super Flower Golden Green HX:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/tra...Df7XG3pHn8qrHsw

This site reviews the 400W unit, but the fact is the Golden Green HX uses CapXon (CrapXon) caps as the main cap.

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Looks like I may not recommend this unit as this unit has subpar caps on the main and secondary, although the unit performs very well...

However, I'm not sure whether the quality of CapXon units has improved, or otherwise... unsure.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 23 2013, 07:19 PM)
Some interesting findings about the Super Flower Golden Green HX:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/tra...Df7XG3pHn8qrHsw

This site reviews the 400W unit, but the fact is the Golden Green HX uses CapXon (CrapXon) caps as the main cap. 

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Looks like I may not recommend this unit as this unit has subpar caps on the main and secondary, although the unit performs very well...

However, I'm not sure whether the quality of CapXon units has improved, or otherwise... unsure.gif
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This is exactly the reason why I ditched the SuperFlower in favour of the SeaSonic M12 Bronze, opting to pay more for a bronze unit instead of a gold unit. I did extensive researches and realised that the Golden Green HX we are getting here is not the same Golden Green we see reviewed elsewhere on the internet. There has even been a case where a buyer complained that SuperFlower advertised the unit as full Jap caps but it was in fact Taiwanese caps when disassembled and he made a big fuss out of it:

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The whole fiasco ended up with SuperFlower sending the new Taiwanese caps Golden Green HX to be scientifically tested and it has indeed passed the gold efficiency rating of PSUs but whether the quality will be as good as units with Japanese caps is questionable. Moreover, if you Google a little more about CapXon caps, you'll find that these are called CRAPXon all over the internet, capacitors that users generally try to avoid when looking for a quality PSU.

I think the first release of the SuperFlower Golden Greens are in fact Jap caps and got good reviews, which SuperFlower manipulated the good reception from buyers and then released this series with a slightly different name (HX) and try to trick buyers into believing that the caps are Japanese and that the new series is as good as the original series. I gave up on the Golden Green HX after finding out all these dubious practices by SuperFlower... rather pay few more bucks for a bronze unit from SeaSonic, guaranteed peace of mind.
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post Dec 27 2013, 09:53 AM

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Very questionable topic and u guys point it out smile.gif .
This review is for the 400W, not sure how about the 500 and 600W units from HX series.
Similar case like FSP Hexa 400W which having bad review, while 500W is still a decent unit hmm.gif .

Edit: the best bet is try to gather lowyat users' feedback about SF HX500W and 600W to see the defective, broken rate imo. Since the price tag significantly lower than other brands with 80+ gold rating.

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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ Dec 27 2013, 09:53 AM)
Very questionable topic and u guys point it out smile.gif .
This review is for the 400W, not sure how about the 500 and 600W units from HX series.
Similar case like FSP Hexa 400W which having bad review, while 500W is still a decent unit hmm.gif .
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Even the 500W unit has CrapXon caps on it... sweat.gif

http://www.playwares.com/xe/32466442

The Leadex do use CrapXon caps, but it is on the Modular board, where there is literally very little/no electrical load most of the time.

Don't get me wrong, even though Super Flower do make nice units, having subpar capacitors on a gold rated unit is simply unacceptable. doh.gif

Update: Even the Super Flower site also said that the HX series use Taiwanese caps, but they should have been used better ones, like Teapo, for example.

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post Dec 27 2013, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Dec 27 2013, 09:48 AM)
This is exactly the reason why I ditched the SuperFlower in favour of the SeaSonic M12 Bronze, opting to pay more for a bronze unit instead of a gold unit. I did extensive researches and realised that the Golden Green HX we are getting here is not the same Golden Green we see reviewed elsewhere on the internet. There has even been a case where a buyer complained that SuperFlower advertised the unit as full Jap caps but it was in fact Taiwanese caps when disassembled and he made a big fuss out of it:

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The whole fiasco ended up with SuperFlower sending the new Taiwanese caps Golden Green HX to be scientifically tested and it has indeed passed the gold efficiency rating of PSUs but whether the quality will be as good as units with Japanese caps is questionable. Moreover, if you Google a little more about CapXon caps, you'll find that these are called CRAPXon all over the internet, capacitors that users generally try to avoid when looking for a quality PSU.

I think the first release of the SuperFlower Golden Greens are in fact Jap caps and got good reviews, which SuperFlower manipulated the good reception from buyers and then released this series with a slightly different name (HX) and try to trick buyers into believing that the caps are Japanese and that the new series is as good as the original series. I gave up on the Golden Green HX after finding out all these dubious practices by SuperFlower... rather pay few more bucks for a bronze unit from SeaSonic, guaranteed peace of mind.
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You need to realize that:
Super Flower Golden Green- A much better unit with full Japan caps, but does not come with MOV, and hence a lot of experienced user often recommend them with the use of a surge protector. This unit is also the basis of the Rosewill Capstone units, and it is very well received.

Super Flower Golden Green HX- This unit is a cut down version of the Golden Green, with subpar caps. Not sold in the US market, though you can see them in the EU/Asian market.

There's also the Golden Silent, which is actually the Rosewill Silent Night.

The Golden King series is also rebadged as a Rosewill Tachyon unit and sometimes the unit is sold as AZZA branded unit. Very good unit, though hopefully Super Flower don't attempt to manipulate reviews... Pretty shady move by SF indeed...

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 16 2013, 03:15 PM)
Not cap Ayam, but the fact is the Real Power series isn't a decent unit....  CX series aren't good either...  You are paying for the Corsair brand only..
Most likely the unit is overheating is the fact that the PSU fan used isn't decent, or the fan controller itself is bad. tongue.gif
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really?

my CX500 served me for years and served me really well.

to backup my experience, here's an article from THW.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-...ze,3587-12.html

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The CX500 would be close to perfect, actually, if there wasn't an issue with its short hold-up time. All in all, this is decent budget-oriented PSU.


HWS also http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cor...ply-Review/1284
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 27 2013, 10:12 AM)
really?

my CX500 served me for years and served me really well.

to backup my experience, here's an article from THW.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-...ze,3587-12.html
HWS also http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cor...ply-Review/1284
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Correct though you need to know the fact that:
There are multiple variants of the unit, i.e.:

1. The original CX500 (CWT-built, and 80+ Bronze)
2. The CX500 v2 (same OEM, but 80+ standard)
3. The CMPSU-CX500 (same OEM, no 80+ certification, the exact unit sold in the US)

Heck, some the CX series are even made by Seasonic... *cough* The CX400...

Corsair is notorious for using multiple OEMs, and even the TX series can spread across many OEMs:
1. Original TX-Seasonic
2. TX v2-Seasonic
3. TXM-CWT/Chicony

It's hard to understand the OEM of the power supply without providing the UL number, as the UL number will tell the OEM behind the unit.
Many people would buy despite the Corsair branding and cheap price, but they usually don't have an idea what's behind the unit..
Corsair's quality has been very inconsistent, unlike their older days when a lot of people considered Corsair as a to go brand for power supplies (even Antec can't beat that as their reputation was tarnished by using cheap grade caps, Fuhyyju on the power supplies.)

The CX series is based on CWT DSAII platform, which is one of the lowest end in the CWT platform lineup.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1431436/why-you...uy-a-corsair-cx (Note: This is the CX M series, though the CX series share the same platform as the CX M.

Again, it's a budget unit, so don't expect nice performance from a cheap unit...

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Marketing strategy is really scary.
New product on the first batch are always good overall, but the afterward reproduction most company tends to find cheaper alternatives (manufacturer or components) to get the similar performance while cut cost of production to gain more profits from the previous reputation made on the models.

Not only PSU, other products as well.
Been away from pc hardware for quite a few months, still a lot to learn from u guys notworthy.gif .

Off Topic: Get addicted into mechanical keyboard too deep recently sweat.gif .

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 27 2013, 10:24 AM)
Correct though you need to know the fact that:
There are multiple variants of the unit, i.e.:
Yes, I'm aware that there are multiple variants.

It would have been more helpful if you just included a few words to highlight as what you highlighted.

It's exactly like what you said,

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 27 2013, 10:24 AM)
Again, it's a budget unit, so don't expect nice performance from a cheap unit...


and exactly like the one in your link.

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So there you have its an cheap PSU made and meant for non stressfull tasks like your basic office/media/web browsing PC´s


which in my opinion doesn't make it not good.

interestingly a lot of people also highlighted FSP Hexa 500w and all for gaming but from my personal test, it didn't handle well when I run an R9 280X on full load for long period while my Corsair CX500 and Corsair VS550 could do it with no issue at all.

I'm going to throw the same test on my FSP Hexa units again soon. Since I have 2 units of it, I'll get to see whether it's the same across multiple products.
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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ Dec 27 2013, 10:56 AM)
Marketing strategy is really scary.
New product on the first batch are always good overall, but the afterward reproduction most company tends to find cheaper alternatives (manufacturer or components) to get the similar performance while cut cost of production to gain more profits from the previous reputation made on the models.

Not only PSU, other products as well.
Been away from pc hardware for quite a few months, still a lot to learn from u guys  notworthy.gif .

Off Topic: Get addicted into mechanical keyboard too deep recently  sweat.gif .
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Not exactly... Though the fact is SF tries to fragment their product range with multiple names can be very deceiving...
The unit in concern by JustForFun is actually the Golden Green/Ice mountain... and the unit has a GX suffix to it, which suggest a lower cost unit...
Technically SF didn't cheat customers, though they should be blamed for not correctly naming their product.

Even the Golden Green series can mean a lot of power supplies in the SF lineup:
http://realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page330.htm
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 27 2013, 11:36 AM)
Yes, I'm aware that there are multiple variants.

It would have been more helpful if you just included a few words to highlight as what you highlighted.

It's exactly like what you said,
and exactly like the one in your link.
which in my opinion doesn't make it not good.

interestingly a lot of people also highlighted FSP Hexa 500w and all for gaming but from my personal test, it didn't handle well when I run an R9 280X on full load for long period while my Corsair CX500 and Corsair VS550 could do it with no issue at all.

I'm going to throw the same test on my FSP Hexa units again soon. Since I have 2 units of it, I'll get to see whether it's the same across multiple products.
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*Ugh* Wouldn't want that VS unit... That unit is bottom of the barrel... Not to mention the use of questionable capacitors like Asia-X and JunFu... tongue.gif

The multiple variants of the CX unit can be quite confusing, as some of them were very decent, budget units, and some of them isn't nice...
Sure, the CX series is nice for an entry level unit though... tongue.gif

It's too bad we don't have much decent choices on the budget PSU sector... *cough* XFX, Antec and low wattage (I mean <500W) Seasonic/Rosewill units...
Guess a lot of people still think more wattage on the label=better... shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 27 2013, 11:36 AM)
interestingly a lot of people also highlighted FSP Hexa 500w and all for gaming but from my personal test, it didn't handle well when I run an R9 280X on full load for long period while my Corsair CX500 and Corsair VS550 could do it with no issue at all.

I'm going to throw the same test on my FSP Hexa units again soon. Since I have 2 units of it, I'll get to see whether it's the same across multiple products.
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280X is consuming more power since it is high-end GPu or rebranded 7970ghz. FSP Hexa 500w still an entry budget PSU suitable for low to mid-end GPU that doesn't consume much power.
Thou, ppl tends to suggest rig spec by pairing it with higher end gpu that i often try to avoid to be safe than sorry.

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 27 2013, 11:39 AM)
Not exactly...  Though the fact is SF tries to fragment their product range with multiple names can be very deceiving...
The unit in concern by JustForFun is actually the Golden Green/Ice mountain... and the unit has a GX suffix to it, which suggest a lower cost unit...
Technically SF didn't cheat customers, though they should be blamed for not correctly naming their product.

Even the Golden Green series can mean a lot of power supplies in the SF lineup:
http://realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page330.htm
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I see, thx for the info notworthy.gif .
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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ Dec 27 2013, 11:46 AM)
280X is consuming more power since it is high-end GPu or rebranded 7970ghz. FSP Hexa 500w still an entry budget PSU suitable for low to mid-end GPU that doesn't consume much power.
Thou, ppl tends to suggest rig spec by pairing it with higher end gpu that i often try to avoid to be safe than sorry.
I see, thx for the info  notworthy.gif .
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Actually, the Hexa has 408W on the +12V rail...
Since the Hexa is an entry level unit, I presume the unit is configured tightly so that it will shut the unit down when there is too much load (to prevent damage to the unit)
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let's see how soon my VS550 dies. biggrin.gif Stressing it quite a fair bit.

my CX500 die already, after 1 - 2 years usage, not full load but somehow the ATX part melted and 12V is under delivery.
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why i see all not recommend for cooler master???i need know...is that poor performance??
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QUOTE(epie_v12 @ Dec 30 2013, 02:05 PM)
why i see all not recommend for cooler master???i need know...is that poor performance??
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Nope, their V series are very good PSUs...
The V700/V850/V1000 units are based on Seasonic's KM3 platform, which is the basis for Seasonic X series units.

The Enhance-built VS series aren't bad as well... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 30 2013, 02:33 PM)
Nope, their V series are very good PSUs...
The V700/V850/V1000 units are based on Seasonic's KM3 platform, which is the basis for Seasonic X series units.

The Enhance-built VS series aren't bad as well... tongue.gif
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Mine having a 24pin connector too tight to fit in my mobo... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 30 2013, 02:33 PM)
Nope, their V series are very good PSUs...
The V700/V850/V1000 units are based on Seasonic's KM3 platform, which is the basis for Seasonic X series units.

The Enhance-built VS series aren't bad as well... tongue.gif
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v series too expensive.....if GX model how?
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QUOTE(epie_v12 @ Dec 31 2013, 12:36 PM)
v series too expensive.....if GX model how?
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Erm... Nope...
If you are talking about the GXII... That's a different story.... Though there are better units a the same price...
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 31 2013, 12:41 PM)
Erm... Nope...
If you are talking about the GXII... That's a different story....  Though there are better units a the same price...
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yeah..im using gxii now...i think this is best for gaming....just normal gaming only......b4 this i use...extreme ex2...i saw gxii more stable....

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