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post Nov 23 2012, 12:29 PM, updated 12y ago

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The Witch Doctor, abbreviated WD, is a pure spellcaster, dealing with elemental magic, nature magic, necromancy and alchemy. The class has taken some inspiration from the Necromancer of Diablo II, in its ability to summon pets of various types, as well as cast some mind control spells.

The Witch Doctor is a much more active, spell-attacking class than the Necromancer was, though. A Witch Doctor can not succeed just summoning pets and sitting back; he must venture in much closer to the fray, constantly using attack spells to supplement the damage dealt by various short-lived pets.

Check Here For WD Skills --> SKILLS & BUILDS

Useful Website:
01. http://d3up.com/ - EHP, DPS Calculator, Simulation and etc
02. http://www.diabloprogress.com/ - Ranking and etc
03. http://onlineanalyst31.appspot.com/d3/d33.html - Stats analysis and etc



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post Nov 23 2012, 12:31 PM

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nickygin
post Nov 23 2012, 12:41 PM

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Wow! V2! I guess more people using WD smile.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 12:58 PM

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post Nov 23 2012, 01:21 PM

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my WD is only paragon 3. LOL...can tank mp5 but not enough dps to kill mobs in time. T.T
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post Nov 23 2012, 01:43 PM

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post Nov 23 2012, 01:58 PM

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post Nov 23 2012, 02:01 PM

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level 7 WD boleh tak? =P
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post Nov 23 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 02:01 PM)
level 7 WD boleh tak? =P
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post Nov 23 2012, 02:05 PM

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post Nov 23 2012, 02:23 PM

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i'm 10 levels into WD and i think soul harvest is SICK
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post Nov 23 2012, 02:34 PM

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post Nov 23 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(untong @ Nov 23 2012, 02:34 PM)
ur Hellfire Ring GODLY!!!
how many u crafted to get that???

now this make me want to uber again... LOL
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post Nov 23 2012, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(untong @ Nov 23 2012, 02:34 PM)
hey man! yeah nice hellfire ring.

U're like the first WD i saw that doesn't use ZUNI set. I'm gonna check u out to build mine also. Love that tyrael armor!

how do u get so much mana without the zuni set?

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post Nov 23 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 02:39 PM)
hey man! yeah nice hellfire ring.

U're like the first WD i saw that doesn't use ZUNI set. I'm gonna check u out to build mine also. Love that tyrael armor!

how do u get so much mana without the zuni set?
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his stone of jordan and thing of the deep... give 200++ Mana... smile.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 23 2012, 02:43 PM)
his stone of jordan and thing of the deep... give 200++ Mana... smile.gif
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So every level 60 WD has a base mana of like 700? I hear my friend who have around 860 mana say mana always not enough.
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post Nov 23 2012, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 02:45 PM)
So every level 60 WD has a base mana of like 700? I hear my friend who have around 860 mana say mana always not enough.
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i think 740 mana... i having 868 now... and reduce bears mana cost for 9 also feel not enuff... sad.gif

so after referring to so many pro...

i think i got few way to improve my mana pool...

one of the way is change my Manajuma's Gory Fetch to Thing of the Deep, at least 100 Mana added... smile.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 03:34 PM

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Circle of Life Passive + Sacrifice/Pride is also a good combo for mana. As u constantly kill white mobs u get free zdog from CoL passive then when u OOM against Elite pack just use Sacrifice ... massive damage + get back mana. The synergy between the 2 skills makes it an option to use especially for paragon levelling on mp0 games. I'm currently doing paragon levelling using that particular build utilising Skorn + Acid Rain (Bleed from Skorn + DoT attack of AR = 1 click then move on .. pet will kill leftovers... i only turn back if i hear that "ting" sound haha), it melts mobs fast then SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker to next pack. Damn fast i tell u man lolz. Acid Rain + High LoH gears = free health (dont even need to aim precisely as AR has large AoE).

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post Nov 23 2012, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 03:34 PM)
Circle of Life Passive + Sacrifice/Pride is also a good combo for mana. As u constantly kill white mobs u get free zdog from CoL passive then when u OOM against Elite pack just use Sacrifice ... massive damage + get back mana. The synergy between the 2 skills makes it an option to use especially for paragon levelling on mp0 games. I'm currently doing paragon levelling using that particular build utilising Skorn + Acid Rain (Bleed from Skorn + DoT attack of AR = 1 click then move on .. pet will kill leftovers... i only turn back if i hear that "ting" sound haha) to melt mobs fast then SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker to next pack. Damn fast i tell u man lolz.
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the bleed effect really that fast killing mobs and elites???
and the horrify/stalker not make mobs run away??? i know we boost movement speed, but when mobs run away far far i hate ler...

can tell me more about ur fast lvling build and gear requirement???

must lvl fast fast liao... smile.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 23 2012, 03:40 PM)
the bleed effect really that fast killing mobs and elites???
and the horrify/stalker not make mobs run away??? i know we boost movement speed, but when mobs run away far far i hate ler...

can tell me more about ur fast lvling build and gear requirement???

must lvl fast fast liao... smile.gif
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U should try it out Henry ... get a cheap skorn with OS + Bleed chance. It kills faster then using Bears on lower mp, also u dont need to get close to use Acid Rain (in the case of tough elites). My playstyle is = SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker for max MS into a pack .. as they run away from Horrify i just use 1 click of Acid Rain (targetting myself) AR large AoE ensure most of the mobs get hit.. when they come back to u they are either dead or get killed by my pets. Against elites i spam few Acid Rain from a distance (timing the attack few seconds apart to ensure continuous DoT), as Elites get close i can SW away and use Sacrifice to blast them dead lolz .. if the boss of the pack still alive u can use Horrify to chase it away then finish it off with RoT. Having Grave Injustice passive will enable u to chain this combo as long as u keep killing mobs .. CD decrease on SW & Horrify from all the killing. In conclusion u move fast, u kill mobs fast, u get zdog to be used as suicide bombers & mana backup in case of emergency. Sweeeeet~!!!

p/s: works very well on low mp games for fast paragon levelling (even against RD u will hv no problem since u r not using bears ... RoT n Acid Rain returns back heath if u have sufficient LoH). Increased mob health on higher mp favors using bears for max damage possible.

If u check out my current WD profile .. that is the skill setup i'm using for fast paragon levelling. In terms of gearing, My gear setup leans heavily towards LoH bcos imho LoH = survivability for WD. Other useful thing to have on gear for this particular build is some pickup radius (since not using ToTD .. i have +12 from lacuni n gloves and its enough to get the Grave Injustice bonus) & a good amount of CC to get full effect of high CD from Skorn (my CC not so good .. still trying to craft an intel hellfire with CC roll so for now i get 6% xtra CC from my rare helm). Currently im trying to farm for a signet ring for max xp bonus.. so when i get 1, i will replace my zuni pox with signet (hopefully alrdy hv hellfire with cc by then) and use zuni helm so i get 3 item set bonus (the 20 mana regen only shines at higher mp games when u need a high mana regen rate). Ouroboros ammy is perfect as it gives LoH and CC (u dont need CD as Skorn with socket alrdy provides dat)

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 03:57 PM)
U should try it out Henry ... get a cheap skorn with OS + Bleed chance. It kills faster then using Bears on lower mp, also u dont need to get close to use Acid Rain (in the case of tough elites). My playstyle is = SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker for max MS into a pack .. as they run away from Horrify i just use 1 click of Acid Rain (targetting myself) AR large AoE ensure most of the mobs get hit.. when they come back to u they are either dead or get killed by my pets. Against elites i spam few Acid Rain from a distance (timing the attack few seconds apart to ensure continuous DoT), as Elites get close i can SW away and use Sacrifice to blast them dead lolz .. if the boss of the pack still alive u can use Horrify to chase it away then finish it off with RoT. Having Grave Injustice passive will enable u to chain this combo as long as u keep killing mobs .. CD decrease on SW & Horrify from all the killing. In conclusion u move fast, u kill mobs fast, u get zdog to be used as suicide bombers & mana backup in case of emergency. Sweeeeet~!!!

p/s: works very well on low mp games for fast paragon levelling (even against RD u will hv no problem since u r not using bears ... RoT n Acid Rain returns back heath if u have sufficient LoH). Increased mob health on higher mp favors using bears for max damage possible.
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i rarely post here, but i alway come here read2 find some info to improve my WD.

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post Nov 23 2012, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 03:57 PM)
U should try it out Henry ... get a cheap skorn with OS + Bleed chance. It kills faster then using Bears on lower mp, also u dont need to get close to use Acid Rain (in the case of tough elites). My playstyle is = SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker for max MS into a pack .. as they run away from Horrify i just use 1 click of Acid Rain (targetting myself) AR large AoE ensure most of the mobs get hit.. when they come back to u they are either dead or get killed by my pets. Against elites i spam few Acid Rain from a distance (timing the attack few seconds apart to ensure continuous DoT), as Elites get close i can SW away and use Sacrifice to blast them dead lolz .. if the boss of the pack still alive u can use Horrify to chase it away then finish it off with RoT. Having Grave Injustice passive will enable u to chain this combo as long as u keep killing mobs .. CD decrease on SW & Horrify from all the killing. In conclusion u move fast, u kill mobs fast, u get zdog to be used as suicide bombers & mana backup in case of emergency. Sweeeeet~!!!

p/s: works very well on low mp games for fast paragon levelling (even against RD u will hv no problem since u r not using bears ... RoT n Acid Rain returns back heath if u have sufficient LoH). Increased mob health on higher mp favors using bears for max damage possible.
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thanks for the guide...

will try tonite see see... but zdogs bomber on elites... need a lot control man... which i always lack of... sad.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 23 2012, 02:38 PM)
ur Hellfire Ring GODLY!!!
how many u crafted to get that???

now this make me want to uber again... LOL
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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 02:39 PM)
hey man! yeah nice hellfire ring.

U're like the first WD i saw that doesn't use ZUNI set. I'm gonna check u out to build mine also. Love that tyrael armor!

how do u get so much mana without the zuni set?
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my first hellfire ring thumbup.gif
make me lazy to run another uber now although my fren keep asking me ...hahaha

i am running mp3... so dont nid much mana i guess
i can use Grave injustice, spirit walk honered guest to keep refill my mana smile.gif


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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 23 2012, 04:07 PM)
bro, his gears IMBA!!!

i don wan play liao la... he got imba HP and imba DPS... sad.gif

i want retired liao...

ok la... i try harder... sad.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 23 2012, 04:05 PM)
thanks for the guide...

will try tonite see see... but zdogs bomber on elites... need a lot control man... which i always lack of... sad.gif
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The trick to use zdog bomber on elite is: if elite pack got white mobs arnd, kill the white mobs 1st using acid rain so dat your zdog will hug/engage elite.. then only u use sacrifice. If no white mob arnd, u spam few Acid Rain from a distance on elite pack 1st and let them come to u.. ur zdog will definately take aggro .. KABOOM lolz. Even if the zdog bomber miss the elite pack u still get mana so SW+horrify to next white mobs to get new zdog and come back to those elite pack when u hv fresh zdog bomber. It takes a bit of getting used to bcos of different playstyle from using bears but its fairly easy n doesnt hv a steep learning curve.
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How to make my damage higher with reducing speed and vitality?
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U're most welcome  smile.gif
The trick to use zdog bomber on elite is: if elite pack got white mobs arnd, kill the white mobs 1st using acid rain so dat your zdog will hug/engage elite.. then only u use sacrifice. If no white mob arnd, u spam few Acid Rain from a distance on elite pack 1st and let them come to u.. ur zdog will definately take aggro .. KABOOM lolz. Even if the zdog bomber miss the elite pack u still get mana so SW+horrify to next white mobs to get new zdog and come back to those elite pack when u hv fresh zdog bomber. It takes a bit of getting used to bcos of different playstyle from using bears but its fairly easy n doesnt hv a steep learning curve.
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i see... now i more understand...

just i want to put some of ur skill build in my play style...

as my play style like: SW/HG rush into packs > SH/VS > spam ZC/ZB...
but i found that the Bears normally run into different directions, this make me spam more Bears, hence, not enough Mana...

most of the time i just farm / lvl on MP1, so for my DPS i think more than enough...

somemore i got 24 MS from Lacuni and Zuni Boots...

just than i cant clear mobs fast enough with my Bears... (run into different directions...)

so i thinking to replace the Bears with AR... i wonder will it efficient compared to the Bears???
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Nov 23 2012, 03:59 PM)
When you're saying low MP, may I know which MP you're referring to?
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MP 0-1 gives the best xp/per hour depending on your damage output & killing speed based on some runs i hv done. At mp3 it takes longer for the mobs to die (Acid Rain being a DoT attack). I usually do item/key runs on mp3 using a socketed Sun Keeper with GF/GI build using bears as main damage dealer. Comparing the 2, Skorn + Acid Rain vs Sun Keeper + Bears (although at same total dps 90-93k dps) i find using bears is faster. Increased MF from Sun Keeper & mp3 is why i prefer the latter for mp3.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 04:38 PM)
MP 0-1 gives the best xp/per hour depending on your damage output & killing speed based on some runs i hv done. At mp3 it takes longer for the mobs to die (Acid Rain being a DoT attack). I usually do item/key runs on mp3 using a socketed Sun Keeper with GF/GI build using bears as main damage dealer. Comparing the 2, Skorn + Acid Rain vs Sun Keeper + Bears (although at same total dps 90-93k dps) i find using bears is faster. Increased MF from Sun Keeper & mp3 is why i prefer the latter for mp3.
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Thanks. I'll go test it tonight.
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 23 2012, 04:37 PM)
i see... now i more understand...

just i want to put some of ur skill build in my play style...

as my play style like: SW/HG rush into packs > SH/VS > spam ZC/ZB...
but i found that the Bears normally run into different directions, this make me spam more Bears, hence, not enough Mana...

most of the time i just farm / lvl on MP1, so for my DPS i think more than enough...

somemore i got 24 MS from Lacuni and Zuni Boots...

just than i cant clear mobs fast enough with my Bears... (run into different directions...)

so i thinking to replace the Bears with AR... i wonder will it efficient compared to the Bears???
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I myself use Bears on mp3 and higher (depending on what runs im doing, i switch weapon accordingly). From my own experience to get Bears running in one straight line u have to target the cursor slightly behind the furthest mob in the pack (i usually SW into 1/3 of the pack bcos bears start from behind u some mobs beihind u will get hit as well). However if i run into middle of pack (usually the scorpions in arreat) i target on myself so the bears will run into 3 different directions so it will hit all mobs surrounding me. Another useful tip regarding bears is to lure packs/elites to stairs. if u use bears on top of stairs they will run in straight line and i find they are faster too (maybe bcos running down the stairs haha). In closed space like Keep.. stand against a wall will help make bear run straight line.
Acid Rain will outshine Bears at mp0-1 but higher than that Bears is better imho.
24 MS + SW + Stalker = bye2 sprint barbs .. lolz
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 04:49 PM)
I myself use Bears on mp3 and higher (depending on what runs im doing, i switch weapon accordingly). From my own experience to get Bears running in one straight line u have to target the cursor slightly behind the furthest mob in the pack (i usually SW into 1/3 of the pack bcos bears start from behind u some mobs beihind u will get hit as well). However if i run into middle of pack (usually the scorpions in arreat) i target on myself so the bears will run into 3 different directions so it will hit all mobs surrounding me. Another useful tip regarding bears is to lure packs/elites to stairs. if u use bears on top of stairs they will run in straight line and i find they are faster too (maybe bcos running down the stairs haha). In closed space like Keep.. stand against a wall will help make bear run straight line.
Acid Rain will outshine Bears at mp0-1 but higher than that Bears is better imho.
24 MS + SW + Stalker = bye2 sprint barbs .. lolz
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tht's mean i replace Bears with AR on MP1 should be more efficient right???

must test test... while looking for better knife and mojo...

thanks man...
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QUOTE(hawkl @ Nov 23 2012, 04:31 PM)
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Work slowly towards getting a Zuni Set (set bonus of intel will give u damage & all resist will give u survivability) Start with Zuni Boots (look for intel & vita) +%poison dmg will add some dps also.

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Thanks. I'll go test it tonight.
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U're welcome .. just to mention regarding Acid Rain .. to conserve mana, only 1 click/attack should be enough for white mobs (they wont die instantly but Dot + Bleed will kill them off). Ive read in some forum spamming 2 attack will stack but i am not sure whether its the DoT from Acid Rain or Bleed from Skorn that stacks. Might have to do more detailed testing myself. Personally i just attack once and finish any leftovers off with RoT especially for tougher mobs like Phasebeasts @ Tremors. "Herding" them into 1 tight big pack while in SW also helps to maximise usage of Acid Rain.

QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 23 2012, 04:53 PM)
tht's mean i replace Bears with AR on MP1 should be more efficient right???

must test test... while looking for better knife and mojo...

thanks man...
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U're welcome.. if u r using Skorn i think DoT from acid rain + bleed from skorn is more than enough for mp1 ... never tested using my other weapons yet.

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ok after checking the build...

will try this tonite:

L - Ghost Bomb
R - AR
1 - SW/J
2 - SH/VS
3 - S/P
4 - H/S

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CL GI GF

but my dps drop to 89K... sad.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 23 2012, 01:58 PM)
nickygin & SpikeTwo,

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Haha sure! Here's my battletag link:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/alunike...8/hero/16965706

Planning to change to the following:
1. Poison darts to RoT
2. Zombie wall to Bears

Going to try to change BBV to Hex.

Also am looking for some gears to boost DPS smile.gif


Added on November 23, 2012, 7:45 pmWas going through some of your WD stats and your dps is super high!!

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Masters, can someone check out untong's WD build. I'm very interested in his gears choice. Would there be a mana regen problem without using zuni?
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Did some budget spending on AH yesterday to further tweak my Skorn/Acid Rain build for speed paragon leveling. As my crit chance is still low (28% CC) i feel that i dont benefit from the high increase of Critical Hit Damage Skorn provides. Crafted 6 Hellfire ring ystrday but still not 1 with CC sad.gif . Initially i was looking at getting Zuni Pox with crit chance but the current price of Pox with CC doesnt justify spending over 50m gold for just a slight increase in dps. So i look at another alternative, which is to increase the crit chance of Acid Rain instead. After several hours of going through AH pages i came up with 2 items that i bid (no buyout) and today as auction time ends i made last minute snipes of both items.

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Total Spending = 5.5M shocking.gif
Total CC increase (for Acid Rain) = 11% ohmy.gif
Extra dmg against Elites = 27% drool.gif

SoJ replaced my Pox (lost AR bonus from 3 zuni set but AR from Giyua made up for it, gained a small +%elmnt dmg increase & huge dmg increase against elites, xtra mana replaced the one lost from rare helm.. most importantly gained 5% CC for Acid Rain)
Giyua replaced the rare helm i used previously (gained mana regen & 6% CC for Acid Rain .. lost some intel & vita which i will get back from other gear upgrades later)

With the boost of Acid Rain CC i was able to do speed paragon lvl runs on mp1 with about the same time as on mp0. After several runs, i noticed that Acid Rain crits more often and with higher dmg (around 130k-220k).. max crit i seen was 380k on an elite pack (xtra 27% dmg from SoJ). Some screenshots i made:

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I did a "modified" alkaizer run starting with Core (run backwards to wp) > Tower of The Damned Lvl 1 (did 1 full circle) to get 5 NV quick > Korssik (one circle of FoS) > Keep 3 > Keep 2 (from Keep 3 if i dont find entrance to The Breach i tp back and wp to keep 1 and enter keep 2) > ends in Stonefort to look for Warden (altho its mp1 i did drop 2 keys from 10 runs)

Total time for each run = approximately 15 mins (with no deaths & no frequent encounters with xtra health @ shielding elites). I skipped doing Arreat Crater 1/2 for the reasons of avoiding wasting time on taking wrong turns @ lengthy encounter with tough elite mobs types (phasebeast & those fat bugger dat keep casting shields)
Total XP per run = approx 9 million
Total Gold per run = approx 100k

Roughly 35M XP & 400k Gold per hour and i'm quite happy with the result. Hopefully i am able to gain 1-2 PLvl per day.

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QUOTE(renishi @ Nov 25 2012, 06:00 PM)
Just came back after 2 months of hiatus. So far so good but no more frens around... any kind soul wanna bring me farm hellfire ring? tongue.gif

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Add me in-game Hulkie#6526 and i'll invite u whenever me n my frens are going to do ubers. I can switch and use my DH if u r in the party smile.gif
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post Nov 25 2012, 11:13 PM

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any WD here practicing Big Bad Vodoo?
if got what kind of Big Bad Vodoo you choose?
i am thinking an idea to use healing big bad vodoo to counter against reflect dmg..
not sure if the 5% hp per sec is enuf for reflect dmg elite onot hmm.gif
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Guys add me ycjoo#6412

Upgraded my WD to 62k dps, 24.5 CC, 196 CHD, 408 AR

100% MF from gear

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ycjoo-6412/hero/22433328

Glad to say that none of my items above 1.5mil except Zuni Chest (3 mil buyout). Manajuma knife at 1.5 mil

Build is still:
Ghost bomb
Zombie bears
Soul Harvest - Vengeful
SW - Jaunt
ZDogs - Life link
Gargan - Humongold

Passive:
GI, GF, Spirit Vessel

Next is to upgrade rings (maybe drop Pox for something else as I don't need the mana regen), bracers

Any other recommendations?
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wta
any WD here practicing Big Bad Vodoo?
if got what kind of Big Bad Vodoo you choose?
i am thinking an idea to use healing big bad vodoo to counter against reflect dmg..
not sure if the 5% hp per sec is enuf for reflect dmg elite onot  hmm.gif
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I've only used BBV/Slam Dance on ubers and i find it not so useful for several reasons; long CD and BBV being a stick totem needs u to be in BBV AoE to gain from it (fast moving mobs will be a problem). However i do think 5% hp per sec would be enuff if u alrdy hv a high regen rate. From my own experience facing RD packs on higher mp, there are only few ways to counter it:
1- have high Armor & high Physical Resist + good life regen
2- high LoH and use DoT attacks such as RoT @ Acid Rain
3- 3% max Life Steal from 1h + mojo setup wont cut it if u r using Bears as damage dealers. Going 2h with 5.5% LS n above should enable u to spam Bears on RD packs.
Currently i deal with RD packs by using Bears only when SW is up and alternating between Bears & Acid Rain (to gain back health lost) when SW is on CD. I'm working on raising my Armor & Physical Resist and getting myself a LS Skorn to handle RD packs better on high mp.

QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Nov 26 2012, 12:30 AM)
Guys add me ycjoo#6412

Upgraded my WD to 62k dps, 24.5 CC, 196 CHD, 408 AR

100% MF from gear

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ycjoo-6412/hero/22433328

Glad to say that none of my items above 1.5mil except Zuni Chest (3 mil buyout). Manajuma knife at 1.5 mil

Build is still:
Ghost bomb
Zombie bears
Soul Harvest - Vengeful
SW - Jaunt
ZDogs - Life link
Gargan - Humongold

Passive:
GI, GF, Spirit Vessel

Next is to upgrade rings (maybe drop Pox for something else as I don't need the mana regen), bracers

Any other recommendations?
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Since u are using Ghost Bombs as main attack, i would suggest to get more ias. Most obvious gear upgrades paths for u would be:
1- rare gloves with ias + cd + cc
2- witching hour belt that will give u ias + cd
3- jewelry: rare @ if legendary blackthorne ammy, oculus ring, skull grasp ring.
Just out of curiosity, with your current gear and skill setup/build how do u deal with Reflect Damage packs?
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@Gecko

Currently, RD mobs are a problem but not too much

I'll spam first round of bears on the mobs then drink potion. 2nd round spam then SW. Go one side let my pets handle the mobs for awhile and I'll ghost bomb from far. Keep a lookout for health globes, grab em then repeat

I can handle MP1 and 2 RD mobs without much problems.

I find acid cloud to be too mana draining since the animation and spamming is fast. For bears, the animation is much slower so by the time you spam the 2nd round, mana would have gone up (regen, globes, etc). Also find RoT dmg to be too low for my liking. I wanted to farm mp1 fast so I opted for the bomb. I tried spiders but it wasn't as good. Splinters don't have AoE as well and the animation is slow making kiting or running away harder

Objective for me now is to farm mp1 with cheap items and high mf to get more gold so I can buy high end items. Gonna go farm ubers when I got the time. The hellfires are looking good with 35% exp
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I miss my 1.3K AR and 2k life regen.. RD is like peanut for me.. cry.gif

Had to reduce my AR and LR for higher DPS.. sad.gif
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how godly is godly...
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INT 226
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MF 2X%
GF 2X%
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didnt notice alreday in V2 I still keep on browsing v1 lol... and didnt notice got update haha...

Btw I able to maintain

>40% CC
>100k DPS
>1k LoH
>700 AR
+-50k HP if change Gem on Helm

Didnt bother with Helffire now as I am quite happy with my current Ring tongue.gif

Now a day very hard to find a good and cheap weapon all more than 100m sad.gif

Aiming to hit 150k DPS now... Aiming for Helm and Weapon first

I still hesitating to buy Zuni Helm with CC for 20M ++
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INT 226
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depth diggers... should aim for 300+ vit jousting mail. with 11% or 12% life.
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 26 2012, 11:02 AM)
INT 226
VIT 81
AR 74
MF 2X%
GF 2X%
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OS2 means Open Socket 2?

Depth Digger? I wonder how many hundred Mil you got to bid that lol....

Sponsor me weapon XD


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:11 am
QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 03:34 PM)
Circle of Life Passive + Sacrifice/Pride is also a good combo for mana. As u constantly kill white mobs u get free zdog from CoL passive then when u OOM against Elite pack just use Sacrifice ... massive damage + get back mana. The synergy between the 2 skills makes it an option to use especially for paragon levelling on mp0 games. I'm currently doing paragon levelling using that particular build utilising Skorn + Acid Rain (Bleed from Skorn + DoT attack of AR = 1 click then move on .. pet will kill leftovers... i only turn back if i hear that "ting" sound haha), it melts mobs fast then SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker to next pack. Damn fast i tell u man lolz. Acid Rain + High LoH gears = free health (dont even need to aim precisely as AR has large AoE).
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Didnt know that lower MP with faster run time boost EXP more...

Hmm should try lower MP for fast leveling when too tired to concentrate Higher MP lol...



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i am still thinking whether to spend 20+ million on witching hour or farm my own this week... well, since i just hit lvl 60 on friday, and now farming mp1 for like 2 days straight... so my char is still work in progress...

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note: boots + shoulders + amulet has been changed... not yet updated :/


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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 26 2012, 11:08 AM)
OS2 means Open Socket 2?

Depth Digger? I wonder how many hundred Mil you got to bid that lol....

Sponsor me weapon XD


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:11 am

Didnt know that lower MP with faster run time boost EXP more...

Hmm should try lower MP for fast leveling when too tired to concentrate Higher MP lol...
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Just checked ahhoe gear....

Salute him...
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depth diggers... should aim for 300+ vit jousting mail. with 11% or 12% life.
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huh??? my main aim is to go for highest INT as possible... smile.gif

i am using a DD now but no Vit, so i would like to have a higher INT + VIT ver... tongue.gif

and if only Jousting Mail come with 296 INT and 74 AR, then i will go for it... smile.gif


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:47 am
QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 26 2012, 11:08 AM)
OS2 means Open Socket 2?

Depth Digger? I wonder how many hundred Mil you got to bid that lol....

Sponsor me weapon XD


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:11 am

Didnt know that lower MP with faster run time boost EXP more...

Hmm should try lower MP for fast leveling when too tired to concentrate Higher MP lol...
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huh? that DD sold @ 37m... sad.gif

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 26 2012, 11:46 AM)
huh??? my main aim is to go for highest INT as possible... smile.gif

i am using a DD now but no Vit, so i would like to have a higher INT + VIT ver... tongue.gif

and if only Jousting Mail come with 296 INT and 74 AR, then i will go for it... smile.gif


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:47 am

huh? that DD sold @ 37m... sad.gif
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Added on November 26, 2012, 11:50 ami am aiming ias for my splinters... shooting like machine gun now :/

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QUOTE(inuyasha88 @ Nov 26 2012, 11:49 AM)
got 2 slots jousting mail with 190+ int. should be around 50 to 60m smile.gif


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:50 ami am aiming ias for my splinters... shooting like machine gun now :/
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just checked AH... Jousting Mail with AR INT only 9X...

ok la... just won a new DD... tongue.gif

lower Armor but got Vit... tongue.gif

from:

ARMOR 432 -> 424
INT 180 - > 197
VIT 0 -> 78
AR 74 -> 79
GF 21% -> 22%
MF 20% -> 20%
LR 142 -> 0
OS 2 -> 2


Added on November 26, 2012, 12:09 pmok here my new gears set... battletag web profile no updated... sad.gif

http://d3up.com/b/62396

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@Henry, I see you are using sacrifice + Circle of life passive

How is that working for you?

Also I find your build quite contradictory...
Your CoL & GI & Soul Harvest all needs you to be close to the mobs (you only have 7 pickup) but your primary and secondary are all ranged. Maybe you wanna change to TotD as your mojo?

Soul Harvest won't add too much to DPS if just 2 or 3 stacks but the GF is superb.

Just my 2 cents though
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@Henry, I see you are using sacrifice + Circle of life passive

How is that working for you?

Also I find your build quite contradictory...
Your CoL & GI & Soul Harvest all needs you to be close to the mobs (you only have 7 pickup) but your primary and secondary are all ranged. Maybe you wanna change to TotD as your mojo?

Soul Harvest won't add too much to DPS if just 2 or 3 stacks but the GF is superb.

Just my 2 cents though
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Oh, tht's my farming skill set... for MP1 one...

and yes, pickup radius 7 not that good for me...

even the CoL 12 + my belt 7 = 19...

now i am looking for a TotD with something near to my Mana's Chicken...

oh ya for white mobs, basically they die b4 near to me... so i will keep my ZDogs until Elites...

so when encounter Elites, i SW into them, SH/VS then AR few times, then Bomb...

most of the time still ok... but sometime Elites too hard to die...

for farming key on MP5 or Uber... i will change my skill set one... tongue.gif
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I love WD man. I think I'm going to use the gold I save for my DH weapon on it man..
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I love WD man. I think I'm going to use the gold I save for my DH weapon on it man..
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I haz sadding you didn't invest it on Monk (no chance to see 0LS/0LoH LPSS build)
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Wanted to but paranoid told me no good. Wanted to roll lpss style with echoing and fist of asturassq
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OFFTOPIC: yup no good. might as well roll a wizzie to spam skills.

ONTOPIC: Yay just completed zuni set low budget 2mil all in - Set Appeal Achievement done rclxm9.gif
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OFFTOPIC: yup no good. might as well roll a wizzie to spam skills.

ONTOPIC: Yay just completed zuni set low budget 2mil all in - Set Appeal Achievement done  rclxm9.gif
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Anyone got Mara with Critical Hit Chance + Increases Critical Hit Chance of Acid Cloud by 5-7% ? Too lazy to scroll pages in AH.
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i am currently using poison dart - splinters...

i am thinking which is better.

splinters or flaming dart.

currently my damage from flaming dart is between 250k to 350k per critical hit. and each splinter hit around 60k to 110k damage, without big bad vodoo...
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 26 2012, 04:45 PM)
OFFTOPIC: yup no good. might as well roll a wizzie to spam skills.

ONTOPIC: Yay just completed zuni set low budget 2mil all in - Set Appeal Achievement done  rclxm9.gif
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2 mill ...can get morrow only sweat.gif
i was shock when u say 2 mil can get whole set..

5mil then ok lah...if not picky and buy the cheapest buyout brows.gif
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Anyone got Mara with Critical Hit Chance + Increases Critical Hit Chance of Acid Cloud by 5-7% ? Too lazy to scroll pages in AH.
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unfortunately I got a Mara + CC +Hydra for wizzie unsure.gif
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my current mara.

6% CC
6% poison dart damage
58% CD

and with the usual stats...
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2 mill ...can get morrow only  sweat.gif
i was shock when u say 2 mil can get whole set..

5mil then ok lah...if not picky and buy the cheapest buyout brows.gif
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any WD here practicing Big Bad Vodoo?
if got what kind of Big Bad Vodoo you choose?
i am thinking an idea to use healing big bad vodoo to counter against reflect dmg..
not sure if the 5% hp per sec is enuf for reflect dmg elite onot  hmm.gif
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I'm using BBV (+30% damage) for team play only. I would only use them for elites and above as the cool down is so long.

My strategy is that I'd activate it near the elites for my barbarian friends and tanks to benefit and then if the elite run off, my range friends and me can benefit from it.

However, I'm still trying out Hex to see if its better as the cool down is better. But not sure if they work on ubers
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Currently upgrading my Zuni set to suit my 2-h build (ditching ToTD & getting pickup radius on other gears). If there's any WD out there just hit 60 (or anybody starting a new WD) interested in getting a complete Zuni set + accompanying gears & weapons.. i am selling mine at a reasonable price.

Package includes:
- Complete zuni set (all 5 items)
- Mojos: ToTD & Ukhapian Serpent
- Blackthorne Pant & Belt, Strongarm bracers, Rare gloves (intel/vita/cd/cc), Vile Ward shoulders
- Jewelry: Tal ammy + rare rings
- Weapons: Manajuma- carving knife, Echoing Fury, Sun Keeper (mf wpn), Last Breath, Gidbinn & a rare open socket ceremonial knife .. might throw in intel Skorn (if i can get a replacement 1st)
- Bonus item: SoJ with +crit chance% of Acid Rain.

Please let me know if there's any interested party for the package & i will put up a screenshot of the items


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QUOTE(nickygin @ Nov 26 2012, 07:55 PM)
I'm using BBV (+30% damage) for team play only. I would only use them for elites and above as the cool down is so long.

My strategy is that I'd activate it near the elites for my barbarian friends and tanks to benefit and then if the elite run off, my range friends and me can benefit from it.

However, I'm still trying out Hex to see if its better as the cool down is better. But not sure if they work on ubers
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I personally prefer Hex as CD is low (same duration as my other skills .. SW, SH so can use as combo), its a disabling spell + 20% more dmg if u use Jinx rune, Hex shaman is not static n will follow u arnd.
On Ubers hex work only on Zoltan Kulle and its really helpful as u can almost perma-hex ZK so he wont cast all those nasty spells so often. Hex works great on warden as well.

This post has been edited by Gecko: Nov 26 2012, 08:00 PM
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Hm.... a noob like me i think i am better off playing with ah then farming..... no luck and play ah can be frustrating but the gain is quite handsome. If no tax lagi best tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nickygin @ Nov 26 2012, 07:55 PM)
I'm using BBV (+30% damage) for team play only. I would only use them for elites and above as the cool down is so long.

My strategy is that I'd activate it near the elites for my barbarian friends and tanks to benefit and then if the elite run off, my range friends and me can benefit from it.

However, I'm still trying out Hex to see if its better as the cool down is better. But not sure if they work on ubers
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yea.. just tried out the BBV with 5% heal... it is just not a great skill..
the AOE sux... 5% hp regen also not enuf most of the time...

so far only BBV with mana regen is nice for solo
and BBV with 30% dmg is nice for co-op..
but still the AOE..haiz

btw most of the time hex is better...
but sometimes i feel hexed mob wont kena some of my zombie bears(their size become so small!?) or the zombie bears just dont critical on hexed mob.. not sure though~

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QUOTE(untong @ Nov 26 2012, 09:17 PM)
yea.. just tried out the BBV with 5% heal... it is just not a great skill..
the AOE sux... 5% hp regen also not enuf most of the time...

so far only BBV with mana regen is nice for solo
and BBV with 30% dmg is nice for co-op..
but still the AOE..haiz

btw most of the time hex is better...
but sometimes i feel hexed mob wont kena some of my zombie bears(their size become so small!?) or the zombie bears just dont critical on hexed mob.. not sure though~
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They do crit but its not displayed ... i checked on ZK health b4 he was hexed and after he was hexed + spammed few Bears ... big drop in ZK's health ... same thing with RoT's crits are still displayed in white not yellow.

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QUOTE(StratOS @ Nov 27 2012, 12:24 AM)
made 2 crappy hellring tonight.. argh~!!!
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 26 2012, 07:55 PM)
Currently upgrading my Zuni set to suit my 2-h build (ditching ToTD & getting pickup radius on other gears). If there's any WD out there just hit 60 (or anybody starting a new WD) interested in getting a complete Zuni set + accompanying gears & weapons.. i am selling mine at a reasonable price.

Package includes:
- Complete zuni set (all 5 items)
- Mojos: ToTD & Ukhapian Serpent
- Blackthorne Pant & Belt, Strongarm bracers, Rare gloves (intel/vita/cd/cc), Vile Ward shoulders
- Jewelry: Tal ammy + rare rings
- Weapons: Manajuma- carving knife, Echoing Fury, Sun Keeper (mf wpn), Last Breath, Gidbinn & a rare open socket ceremonial knife .. might throw in intel Skorn (if i can get a replacement 1st)
- Bonus item: SoJ with +crit chance% of Acid Rain.

Please let me know if there's any interested party for the package & i will put up a screenshot of the items

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Interested in the Zuni Vision (if got CC) and Pox (if got CC), ToTD, Tal Ammy, and all the weapon...

Can see see? Please dont use imageshack I cant open it from office lol...

Need upgrade my weapon >< if you can view my char, see if any suitable weapon from your collection to replace it or not XD
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 27 2012, 09:59 AM)
Interested in the Zuni Vision (if got CC) and Pox (if got CC), ToTD, Tal Ammy, and all the weapon...

Can see see? Please dont use imageshack I cant open it from office lol...

Need upgrade my weapon >< if you can view my char, see if any suitable weapon from your collection to replace it or not XD
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Both Vision & Pox dont have CC .. lolz (trying to get those with CC once hv sufficient budget tongue.gif )
The tal ammy only have high CD so i think ur current rare ammy with CC is better.
Weapon wise, if u still want LS on it only one of my Echoing Fury fits ur criteria 1093 dps, 154 intel, 184 vita, 2.8% LS (no CD @ OS so not sure it will increase ur dps or not) another weapon that i'm sure will increase ur dps is a rare sword i just found but dont hv LS: 932 dps, 1.4 aps, "black" wpn, 136 intel, 81% CD & OS).
Will try find some time to upload the pics to my photobucket account (my stash and all mules are almost full.. too lazy to sort things out)
ToTD: 2 vry low avg dmg (prolly give these away FOC), 1 with average avg dmg & the one i am using on my 1h + mojo setup would be the best (but dunno yet want to let go or not .. hv to wait till i can get at least +20 pickup radius on other gears)

Added the pics of the 2 weapons i mentioned above:

LS EF
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Rare Sword
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This post has been edited by Gecko: Nov 27 2012, 10:39 AM
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I'm interested in Vile Ward and gloves. Please post pic ya
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I'm interested in Vile Ward and gloves. Please post pic ya
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The Vile Ward i still hv to wait for a bid on replacement Ward ends (will update soon with pic)

Gloves got a few .. dunno if it'll be an upgrade to ur current glove or not.

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@Gecko

Maybe you should post up all the items that are available haha. Some of the gloves helps me increase in DPS but drop 3k life @@
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Nov 27 2012, 11:12 AM)
@Gecko

Maybe you should post up all the items that are available haha. Some of the gloves helps me increase in DPS but drop 3k life @@
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Me too lazy to even organise my stash .. haha. I login and level my paragon @ farm keys only .. when no more place to put item only i hv to force myself to transfer items.
Anyways i know its hard to balance between DPS & EHP on gloves. My current gloves hv mediocre intel/vita/AR but i keep using it bcos i need the pickup radius when i dont use ToTD. Usually most ppl get the most dps out of gloves and get vita/AR on other gears. So high intel (200 n above) + ias (not so sure useful for WD) + CD (50% n above) + CC (9-10%) should be a BiS gloves.

Btw i see from ur gear u r using Manajuma Carving Knife... imho to get most dps increase from the +%elemtal dmg of Zuni Boots & Tal Ammy u shud use a "black" wpn. For Manajuma the 10% increase in dmg will only be applied to the base dmg but not the Poison Damage.

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hi all,

para 62 wd reporting in:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/seeseebee-1541/

currently working on my paragon level, still farms and keep 1-2 infernal machine in stash for the occasional uber boss runs with friends.

can tank mp7 uber boss (1 only, not both).

looking for wd with good dps to team up and farm mp7 act3 for better gears.
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I could do mp7 but its painstakingly slow especially when faced with xtra health/sheilding RD packs. Until i get my hands on a LS Skorn i'll just keep farming items on mp3-4 with 400+% MF.
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ok replacing my zunimassa's pox with skull grasp for farming purpose... hope really help...

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 27 2012, 01:46 PM)
ok replacing my zunimassa's pox with skull grasp for farming purpose... hope really help...

int 137
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loh 219
armor 203
cd 21%
cc of AR 5%
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Nice choice thumbup.gif on low lvl farming mana regen from full zuni set not that important ... more dmg = faster farming ... mana can easily be managed from skills e.g CoL + Sac/Pride combo.

Go get Giyua with 6% CC + 5-7% CC to AR lor Henry ... see many yellow numbers on mobs lolz. Use only 2 Zuni set enuff wor .. Giyua give AR so no need AR from 3 set bonus.

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Both Vision & Pox dont have CC .. lolz (trying to get those with CC once hv sufficient budget  tongue.gif )
The tal ammy only have high CD so i think ur current rare ammy with CC is better.
Weapon wise, if u still want LS on it only one of my Echoing Fury fits ur criteria 1093 dps, 154 intel, 184 vita, 2.8% LS (no CD @ OS so not sure it will increase ur dps or not) another weapon that i'm sure will increase ur dps is a rare sword i just found but dont hv LS: 932 dps, 1.4 aps, "black" wpn, 136 intel, 81% CD & OS).
Will try find some time to upload the pics to my photobucket account (my stash and all mules are almost full.. too lazy to sort things out)
ToTD: 2 vry low avg dmg (prolly give these away FOC), 1 with average avg dmg & the one i am using on my 1h + mojo setup would be the best (but dunno yet want to let go or not .. hv to wait till i can get at least +20 pickup radius on other gears)

Added the pics of the 2 weapons i mentioned above:

LS EF
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Rare Sword
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See if I on tonight I pm you haha....

Show me the weapon then I check if got increase brape DPS haha...

Will try add you and send you a PM tonight ^^
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 27 2012, 01:49 PM)
Nice choice  thumbup.gif  on low lvl farming mana regen from full zuni set not that important ... more dmg = faster farming ... mana can easily be managed from skills e.g CoL + Sac/Pride combo.

Go get Giyua with 6% CC + 5-7% CC to AR lor Henry ... see many yellow numbers on mobs lolz. Use only 2 Zuni set enuff wor .. Giyua give AR so no need AR from 3 set bonus.
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thanks bro...

for giyua... no good deal yet ler... cc 6 all 40m above... sad la...

btw, i need a SoJ BvE 28~30 with Bears 8~10 or RoT 10~12, for Key and Uber use...

then only start for upgrade my weapon... tired man...

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 27 2012, 10:25 AM)
Both Vision & Pox dont have CC .. lolz (trying to get those with CC once hv sufficient budget  tongue.gif )
The tal ammy only have high CD so i think ur current rare ammy with CC is better.
Weapon wise, if u still want LS on it only one of my Echoing Fury fits ur criteria 1093 dps, 154 intel, 184 vita, 2.8% LS (no CD @ OS so not sure it will increase ur dps or not) another weapon that i'm sure will increase ur dps is a rare sword i just found but dont hv LS: 932 dps, 1.4 aps, "black" wpn, 136 intel, 81% CD & OS).
Will try find some time to upload the pics to my photobucket account (my stash and all mules are almost full.. too lazy to sort things out)
ToTD: 2 vry low avg dmg (prolly give these away FOC), 1 with average avg dmg & the one i am using on my 1h + mojo setup would be the best (but dunno yet want to let go or not .. hv to wait till i can get at least +20 pickup radius on other gears)

Added the pics of the 2 weapons i mentioned above:

LS EF
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Rare Sword
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hmm nice sword.....

help me gear check also http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Lazarea...81/hero/1607390
should i aim for a new amulet 1st or a better weapon? my weapon with 300+ int darn hard to find replacement sial... if wan need spend 20 to 30m for a meager 4 to 5k dps.... not worth it imo.... somemore i just came back only left that much of money *sigh*

and yest my fren bring me go mp6 IM~ i can say all it is quite fun except for the siegebreaker part... next time i think i will go and cc the zoltun rather than sending the mage. I cant handle the reflect dmg lol


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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 27 2012, 02:10 PM)
thanks bro...

for giyua... no good deal yet ler... cc 6 all 40m above... sad la...

btw, i need a SoJ BvE 28~30 with Bears 8~10 or RoT 10~12, for Key and Uber use...

then only start for upgrade my weapon... tired man...
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"Situational" gears are much cheaper and handy to have so dat u can can swap to get best setup performing certain tasks i.e speed farming, ubers etc.
Weapon is more of a long term investment so its advisable to save up and buy a good weapon that will last u a long time.
Keep checking AH everyday, i'm sure a cheap Giyua will pop up (i was lucky to get mine at a bargain)
SoJ with reduced Bears will be costly from what ive browsed in AH ... so many WD using Bears. If im not mistaken u can get reduced Bears roll on Mara ammy & Giyua too so u might want to look into that.

QUOTE(renishi @ Nov 27 2012, 02:30 PM)
hmm nice sword.....

help me gear check also http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Lazarea...81/hero/1607390
should i aim for a new amulet 1st or a better weapon? my weapon with 300+ int darn hard to find replacement sial... if wan need spend 20 to 30m for a meager 4 to 5k dps.... not worth it imo.... somemore i just came back only left that much of money *sigh*

and yest my fren bring me go mp6 IM~ i can say all it is quite fun except for the siegebreaker part... next time i think i will go and cc the zoltun rather than sending the mage. I cant handle the reflect dmg lol
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Upgrading ur ammy would be cheaper than upgrading wpn unless ur looking for a trifecta ammy. Here is something to consider: WD doesnt benefit much from CC (the roll which can make any items very expensive) unless you already stack up a high CD (obviously from a wpn with high base roll CD + open socket).. we dont have any skill that proc from crits like Barbs, DH, Wiz do. What WD do hv is skills for survivability and attacks that procs %to & LoH. While Wiz chain combo from crits, WD can chain combo from reduced CD of GI and very high intel boost from GF & SH. To get the most dps boost at a cheaper price, look for high avg dmg instead.. some LoH would add survivability and ofc high intel roll (try find a good Ouroboros ammy ..stats like the one StratOS is using ... mine is kinda low cos i am a cheapskate .. haha). It should be cheaper than a rare ammy with similar stats.
Yeah the sword is not bad since its a "black" wpn .. i only wish it had a LoH roll. Alrdy hv few ppl interested in it.

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Thx, and yes the benefit from cc is getting less and less if it is not balance with the CD... which is why i have been pumping CD and i dont think i will be pumping much ias, i dont think it is good for my build as i dont do splinter.

Mind me but what is trifecta? ias, cc and cd??

talking about loh, iinm last time the bear loh is capped at 7% right? i dont even know hw to calculate it now lol. The bonus from my blackthorn is too awesome to be changed into inna's as there is 0 vit there @@

As for now, i am also a cheapskate~ i have been trying my best to upgrade my gears with more int while looking for a solution
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Thx, and yes the benefit from cc is getting less and less if it is not balance with the CD... which is why i have been pumping CD and i dont think i will be pumping much ias, i dont think it is good for my build as i dont do splinter.

Mind me but what is trifecta? ias, cc and cd??

talking about loh, iinm last time the bear loh is capped at 7% right? i dont even know hw to calculate it now lol. The bonus from my blackthorn is too awesome to be changed into inna's as there is 0 vit there @@

As for now, i am also a cheapskate~ i have been trying my best to upgrade my gears with more int while looking for a solution
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IAS = INCREASE ATTACK SPEED
CC = CRITICAL HIT CHANCE, also known as CHC
CD = CRITICAL HIT DAMAGE, also known as CHD

trifecta = all 3 of the above
bifecta = any 2 of the above
quadfactra = all 3 of the above + (all resist/LoH/min-max damage)

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IAS = INCREASE ATTACK SPEED
CC = CRITICAL HIT CHANCE, also known as CHC
CD = CRITICAL HIT DAMAGE, also known as CHD

trifecta = all 3 of the above
bifecta = any 2 of the above
quadfactra = all 3 of the above + (all resist/LoH/min-max damage)
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bro how bout my amulet???

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HenryLo...2/hero/13130048

penfecta???
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Your amulet is godlike la...

btw check my items for sale...link in my sig wink.gif
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Your amulet is godlike la...

btw check my items for sale...link in my sig wink.gif
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tht's the best loot i ever have... i cant found any replacement till now... so sad...
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how about my amulet? god god like?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/aries-6543/hero/28927652
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QUOTE(inuyasha88 @ Nov 27 2012, 05:01 PM)
ur amulet nice also... smile.gif

haih... i am jeles... sad.gif

u all got godly weapon one...

mine capalang... sad.gif
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ur amulet nice also... smile.gif

haih... i am jeles... sad.gif

u all got godly weapon one...

mine capalang... sad.gif
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wanna swap your weapon with mine? tongue.gif ping me any time, i log in straight away. whistling.gif
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mara +3 roll to LoH, CC, CD. GENG!

let me guess: at least 30m?
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wanna swap your weapon with mine? tongue.gif ping me any time, i log in straight away.  whistling.gif
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no way... my stats all drop with ur mace... tongue.gif

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Int -67 -2% 3,217 3,150
Vit -16 -2% 998 982
Crit Hit Dmg +100 36% 276 376
Resist All -6.7 -1% 867.7 861
DPS -4,650.33 -4% 109.3k 104.6k
HP -688.8 -2% 43.3k 42.6k
Resist DmgReduce -0.15 0% 73.4 73.2
Total DmgReduce -0.07 0% 87.8 87.7
EHP -7,609.38 -2% 354.2k 346.6k
EHP w/ Block+Dodge -8,899.86 -2% 414.3k 405.4k
EHP w/ Dodge -8,899.86 -2% 414.3k 405.4k
EHP w/ Block -7,609.38 -2% 354.2k 346.6k
MH AtkSpeed -0.2 -14% 1.4 1.2


but i do jeles ur Poison Dart skill bonus from Gears...

i want Zombie Bears... LOL
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mara +3 roll to LoH, CC, CD. GENG!

let me guess: at least 30m?
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Added on November 27, 2012, 5:17 pmnow saving for an echoing fury with crit and socket... or maybe farm my own... changed the belt today. new belt at 297 int 30 vit... the pants... going to change it when the price is right. still deciding whether to go for, 160+ int with 300+ vit, or 200+ int with 100+ vit.

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Thx, and yes the benefit from cc is getting less and less if it is not balance with the CD... which is why i have been pumping CD and i dont think i will be pumping much ias, i dont think it is good for my build as i dont do splinter.

Mind me but what is trifecta? ias, cc and cd??

talking about loh, iinm last time the bear loh is capped at 7% right? i dont even know hw to calculate it now lol. The bonus from my blackthorn is too awesome to be changed into inna's as there is 0 vit there @@

As for now, i am also a cheapskate~ i have been trying my best to upgrade my gears with more int while looking for a solution
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But switching from Jousting Mail to Inna Temperance will not just boost your dps (from ias + 1% CC). it also enable another boot/bracers combo and still maintain 24 MS.
I alrdy hv in my stash an Inna Temperance with intel roll + a rare bracers that give 5.5% CC + Intel/Vit/AR which will definately take my dps to another level. Just that i need to make up for the loss of vita from Jousting Mail.. so upgrading my Marrow (more vita + life% + pickup radius), Trail (more vita + pickup radius) & my Vile Ward (vita + pickup radius). Its something i hv to do anyways since i'm planning to go 2-h with a LS Skorn so need the pickup radius from other gears instead of ToTD.
LoH wise i think i can afford to lose arnd +400 and still leech life back quite fast using Acid Rain (larger AoE = more target leeched from). Btw LoH works best with AR @ RoT ... Bears benefits more from LS. Hence my new setup of 5-6 LS from Skorn (to handle RD) and +600 LoH for fast life recovery using Acid Rain.

p/s: if u want vita on Inna pants try look for Legacy Inna Pants ... ive seen a Wiz fren using a Legacy Inna Pants with 2xx vita ... but the MS is only 7%.

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okok i follow ur advice then~

just manage to ninja a nice bracer but low AR for 13m ><

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next is cheap inna temp ...

edit: bought 1 with 70 int~ but lost on amulet bid again... sad

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Nice bracers u just won Renishi .. high intel & vita (mine is lower than that but higher AR .. its a drop so cant complain much haha). Imagine that kind of roll on a Lacuni, how much it will cost u lolz. So by going inna pants u save a lot and still get 24% MS.. if u want vita as well on inna pants try look for Legacy inna pants but u'll get lower than 12% MS on it (i think shud be np since WD can Jaunt+Stalker for xtra MS).

Btw i managed to squeeze in a last min winning bid on a 5.6 (or was it 5.8) LS Skorn b4 server went down... yeay! It has slightly lower dps from my current Skorn ... 1286 dps .. mine is 1300 dps but since i keep losing bids after bids on 13xx LS Skorn that will do ... it only cost me 15M so i have some xtra budget for other gear upgrades. Maybe after i sell most of my loot .. will try go for 14xx LS Skorn.
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me on my paragon farming gears... how is it possible for some people to get over 200k dps... if i change to echoing 1.1k slotted without crit. that wont boost much right? or will it?


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this korean... sigh

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Higher DPS means lower resist.. easy as that unless got more godly items in AH i didnt see.. hahaha.
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i need more armor.... and res and vit now lol

might have to sell my witching hour and buy 1 with armor again ><

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hi all,

para 62 wd reporting in:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/seeseebee-1541/

currently working on my paragon level, still farms and keep 1-2 infernal machine in stash for the occasional uber boss runs with friends.

can tank mp7 uber boss (1 only, not both).

looking for wd with good dps to team up and farm mp7 act3 for better gears.
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Ok before i off d3 for 4 days, just won a bit on a jiken mojo, which increased my dps & hp & int but lower mana regen by 1. Ok la...

8.2k dps xchange with 1 mana per second, worth it hor???

So i think i shld stop AH until i have enough gold... sad.gif
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Ruidon #6346 - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Ruidon-6346/hero/22394719

CC: 37.5 %
CD: 289 %
AR: 695 - 782
DPS: 92700
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If I replace my hellfire and Zuni Pox with CD rings, I get
CC: 37.5
CD: 338
AR: 594 - 724
DPS: 101k
-without Scoundrel-

Usually I use hellfire and zuni pox for leveling but got screwed when facing extra health monster. it took me some time to take them down in MP8 with 92k DPS. ><

I am happy with my build with fast mana regen. But I guess that I can do more DPS without sacrificing my AR haha ~ Any advice ?

By the way, add me up on my ID =)
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QUOTE(nimanhid @ Nov 28 2012, 10:36 AM)
my damage only 100k and my life 55k, http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/popo-6986/hero/25212634
if you think my wd is sufficient then add me for farm mp7 act3
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Added on November 28, 2012, 5:50 pmlol i am only doing 88k on my dps gear, no worries.

the gear u see on my profile are for bullying small mp monsters.

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Try RMAH

I put 8 mil on my amulet, no takers, but sold for USD 3.88 in RMAH (minus 1 is 2.88 and with current gold prices, still around 10 mil mark).
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Took Gecko's advice to get Unity ring...

DPS now 80K but might drop back to 75k when I get my Giyua with 8% Acid Cloud

Trying to bid for a good Ouroboros too.

Thanks all for the advice!
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Took Gecko's advice to get Unity ring...

DPS now 80K but might drop back to 75k when I get my Giyua with 8% Acid Cloud

Trying to bid for a good Ouroboros too.

Thanks all for the advice!
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I use Unity on all my 3 toons (WD, DH & Barb).. all those Unity rings were self found but i dont see myself changing it until i'm rich enough to afford a nice trifecta ring.

Even if u lose 5k when u equip Giyua, you will see crits more often due to the xtra 8% CC when using Acid Cloud.

Currently i am reducing my LoH since i have 5.6% LS on my Skorn ... so i will be switching my Ouroboros for a rare ammy with higher CC + stats that boost EHP. If u want i'll let u hv mine at a lower price than what i pruchased it for smile.gif
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I use Unity on all my 3 toons (WD, DH & Barb).. all those Unity rings were self found but i dont see myself changing it until i'm rich enough to afford a nice trifecta ring.

Even if u lose 5k when u equip Giyua, you will see crits more often due to the xtra 8% CC when using Acid Cloud.

Currently i am reducing my LoH since i have 5.6% LS on my Skorn ... so i will be switching my Ouroboros for a rare ammy with higher CC + stats that boost EHP. If u want i'll let u hv mine at a lower price than what i pruchased it for  smile.gif
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How much is the ouroboros ammy? Can see stats? brows.gif


Added on November 30, 2012, 4:43 pmAlso changed by Zuni chest to Tal Rasha chest. Increase DPS but dropped AR. Back to 400k gold haha

Next upgrade should be Ouroboros ammy and Lacuni. Or should I get Flavor of Time for MS and LoH?

Any other comments?

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How WD counter RD? My hp like roller coaster even in mp2 on them.
Or, am I use wrong skill? Currently focus on mana regen in various skill so that I can spam bear

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As long as there's some significant amount of Regen + LOH / LS sure will have RD problem.

I only have LS from my manajuma and obviously not enough sweat.gif
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Nov 30 2012, 01:15 PM)
How much is the ouroboros ammy? Can see stats?  brows.gif


Added on November 30, 2012, 4:43 pmAlso changed by Zuni chest to Tal Rasha chest. Increase DPS but dropped AR. Back to 400k gold haha

Next upgrade should be Ouroboros ammy and Lacuni. Or should I get Flavor of Time for MS and LoH?

Any other comments?
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Now waiting for my new Vile Ward with vit & pickup radius so i can switch Jousting Mail with Inna Temperance then Lacuni with a rare bracers dat got 5.5 CC (total of 6.5 CC gain) Cant wait to see how high my bears can crit .. atm can easily crit 400-500k.

Imho dont get MS on ammy ... ammy is for damage & maybe some ehp boost. To get 24% MS better use boots + bracers @ boots + pants setup. Trail + Lacuni (getting lacuni with CC quite pricey) @ Trail + Inna Temperance (u will lose vit here cos inna temperance can hv 1 random roll only n u want it to be intel .. but definately get dps boost bcos of ias + 1% CC)


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How WD counter RD? My hp like roller coaster even in mp2 on them.
Or, am I use wrong skill? Currently focus on mana regen in various skill so that I can spam bear
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I've personally tried many combination of skills + gears to counter RD on high mp using my WD (most of the test done on SB during ubers).

1- Using 2.8% LS Echoing Fury ... can only spam 2-3 bears then have to switch to RoT@Acid Cloud to gain back lost health via LoH. (i think even max 3% LS on 1-h + mojo setup wont be enuff)
2- Using same EF but stacked life regen gear + high armor .. health drop but slowly as compared to 1 (high physical resist would also help)
3- Most commonly used attack to counter RD is RoT (due to low mana cost) with high LoH gears, however it can take a long time to kill RD pack due to single target and low damage (even using Acid Cloud is not viable bcos of high mana cost & still low dmg)
4- My new setup of using 5.6% LS Skorn 12xx dps ... can comfortably spam bears without losing health plus RD pack die faster due to vry high dmg + can hit more than 1 target. (i use bears + poison dart/spined dart for mana so that i can continuously spam bears).

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Should try poison dart splinters with IAS boost over 2 hit per sec...

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@Gecko I'll let you know on the ammy. Need to collect the gold first heh
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gecko why are u stacking up so much life on hit when u have an almost 5% lifesteal skorn?? bear is cap at 7% iinm....

and idk how to counter RD myself... i just make sure to kill them when windwalk+jaunt is up.
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Should try poison dart splinters with IAS boost over 2 hit per sec...
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IAS benefits low mana spells such as Splinters & Ghost Bomb in particular bcos u wont run out of mana no matter how fast ur attacks are. While Splinters is good for single target & GB for a group of mobs bcos of a small AoE, damage wise when crits is concerned (at high mp critical hits is what matters) both have low weapon dmg multiplier which in turn result in lower crits (even when u use high base damage 2h wpn such as Skorn).

I wont try to give a detailed complicated dmg calculation formula but just a simple maths will suffice:
Splinters: 3 x 60% wpn damage
Ghost Bombs: 110% wpn dmg + 30% wpn dmg (AoE 20 yrds)
Acid Rain: 115% wpn dmg + 150% wpn dmg (AoE 24 yrds & DoT means 50% every 1 sec for 3 sec)
Zombie Bears: 3 x 236% wpn dmg for a whopping total 708% wpn dmg!!!

Using a 1k dps EF with OS (max of 100% CD) as a baseline.. we're talking per hit and will be disregardng ias for now:
Splinter: normal dmg = 3 x 600, crit dmg = 3 x 1200
GB: normal dmg = 1.1k + 300 (AoE), crit dmg = 2.2k + 600 (AoE)
AR: normal dmg = 1.15k + 1.5k (AoE over 3 secs), crit dmg = 2.3k + 3k (AoE over 3 secs)
Bears: normal dmg = 3 x 2.36k, crit dmg = 3 x 4.72k

Its clear that Bears is the obvious winner if u dont take mana into account. To clear a large pack of white mobs at lower mp AR beats GB hands down. Both Bears & AR are huge mana spells so having a higher IAS means u run out of mana faster.. 0 mana = 0 dmg

1h + mojo VS 2h
I do MF runs using Sun Keeper with OS + Mojo & Uber/Key runs using LS Skorn with OS. Both have about same character sheet dps 90-93k. However i can see from my runs that crits with bears using 1h+mojo range arnd 100-300k while when using 2h crits are 250-500k range.
Crit dmg benefit wpn with high base dmg .. the closer the gap between min & max dmg the better.
EF + avg dmg of mojo (200-250) .. even EF max dmg cannot go over Skorn's min dmg.
EF = (1.4 aps + max 100% CD + OS), Skorn (1 aps + max 200% CD + OS) ... would i prefer 0.4 more attack per sec @ 100% more CD? obviously more CD wins ... and dont forget u can get max 6% LS on Skorn & only max 3% LS on EF (which wont be enuff to counter RD).

My current setup of 12xx dps 5.6% LS Skorn enables me to spam bears continuously while gaining back life (even on RD packs i wont lose life). I manage mana by having Blood Ritual Passive, main attack of Posion Dart/Spine Dart for quick mana regen (29 mana per target hit). Keep left click pressed and spamming Bears rarely make me go OOM. I hv Hex on to disable any mobs that get close to me ..in cases of descrator pool, arcane sentry etc, i just SW away (HG make sure i hv mana when SW is over) to reposition myself and continue spamming... if i get focused on mortar @ any ranged attacks that depletes my health fast, a few AR spam will get me back to max health. I mow down pack of mobs, even RD packs faster with this setup .... crits are so high that as long as i dont get 1-shot i will survive (higher crit = more life gained from LS).

I wont argue that using best/optimum gears, a 1h+ mojo setup is superior (more vit, more regen, more crit from mojo) but good luck getting that elusive 1xxx dps Carving Knife with OS or a perfectly rolled EF/rare ceremonial knife with high dps + 100% base CD + OS.
For now going Skorn is the most affordable option for me to deal with higher MP lvl and RD packs. I only hv to invest in 1 instead of 2 (1h wpn + mojo) gear. I got my Skorn at a bargain price of 15m and its a pretty good investment i hv to say.
Dont take my word for it .. go out and test it yourself and see the difference (keep a close watch on the yellow figures on mobs & notice how fast u clear tough packs). If u cant afford a LS Skorn .. get a rare 2h with at least 5.5% LS + higher base CD from ur current 1h + OS (if ur 1h wpn hv OS).. get as close dps as ur 1h+mojo dps total setup for comparison sake.

QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Dec 1 2012, 09:23 AM)
@Gecko I'll let you know on the ammy. Need to collect the gold first heh
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QUOTE(renishi @ Dec 1 2012, 12:39 PM)
gecko why are u stacking up so much life on hit when u have an almost 5% lifesteal skorn?? bear is cap at 7% iinm....

and idk how to counter RD myself... i just make sure to kill them when windwalk+jaunt is up.
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Its a 5.6% LS Skorn and it solves my RD problem tongue.gif what do u mean by Bear is capped at 7%? What 7%? Care to elaborate or share a blue post (blizz's mod) post in d3 forum regarding this?
I used to deal with RD using same technique when using my EF .. Bears only when SW is up + RoT in between ... trust me on higher mp u will be spending so much time to take down even 1 pack of RD (let alone 2 RD packs close together).
B4 i got my LS Skorn i stacked LoH so high so that i only hv to spam few AR to gain back life to maximum from a near death situation. Now that i hv 5.6% LS i hv started to lose my LoH gears. Alrdy changed my Ouroboros ammy with a rare ammy that boost my dps/ehp (lost 400+ LoH). Next to go is my Jousting Mail pants (400+ LoH) replaced by Inna Temperance (to get more dps as LS scale better with higher dps). I probably keep arnd 400-500 LoH (from rings) for Acid Rain spam to get back life fast.

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Thanks Gecko for the information!

Currently I can go MP3 without much problems. Only problem is RD which I modified my SW to the regen life one. Switched back to Soul Harvest and Dogs using Life Link.

MP1 feels like a breeze now!

BTW, for newbies, get 24% MS speed early. You won't regret it. Fastest way is Lacuni + Zuni Boots. I got both for 2 mil ~ish
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MP7 uber with random people yesterday. They seems to like my splinters voodoo and hex build.

Skorn is good if u have high base cc. But to sacrifice 20 pickup radius from frog is something I can't afford to. Over 2 x splinters hit per sec = machine gun effect. I did around 300k++ average on splinters which is around 600k damage per sec with crit. I think I will quit barb and concentrate on my WD... I don't really like bears as I prefer range and kiting with my gargantuan and Maximus as tanker. Bidding an echoing fury in AH now... if win i should be getting dps boost soon smile.gif
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QUOTE(inuyasha88 @ Dec 2 2012, 07:57 AM)
MP7 uber with random people yesterday. They seems to like my splinters voodoo and hex build.

Skorn is good if u have high base cc. But to sacrifice 20 pickup radius from frog is something I can't afford to. Over 2 x splinters hit per sec = machine gun effect. I did around 300k++ average on splinters which is around 600k damage per sec with crit. I think I will quit barb and concentrate on my WD... I don't really like bears as I prefer range and kiting with my gargantuan and Maximus as tanker. Bidding an echoing fury in AH now... if win i should be getting dps boost soon smile.gif
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Yeah .. i guess depending on each person playstyle smile.gif smile.gif Hex is a must in Uber runs .. altho only ZK can be hexed, those spawns by SK/Mag & Ghom/Rak also can be handled easier with Hex. BBV however i find only useful for Ghom/Rak & SB as other ubers move around a lot .. away from BBV AoE and the CD also is too long.
Just finished mp7 uber 2-player party (me using WD & a Barb). My Bears did 500-600k crit each on SB (without even losing health) for a total of 1.5M-1,8M dps tongue.gif My pickup radius even without ToTD is +17 now (will be higher once i get Vile Ward & Marrow with pickup radius).Anyways PR is only useful during farming (when u use GF/GI passive @ CoL for that matter) not during Ubers.
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DPS now drop to 103k
Life increase to 50k.

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Can start MP8/9 UBER.. RAWR~!!

BTW, Planning to sell my Ouroboros..

Ouroboros.
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@gecko: i cant find back where i read them but it has been ages.... since like june/july.

i am very tempted to change my weapon but my cheapskate nature doesnt allow me... bought 1 15m manajuma with LS+socket but only increase 3 to 4k dps... i dont think it is worth it so i sold i back sigh. Need to pray that it drop for me then tongue.gif
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Updated Liao. Found that Acid Rain is pretty useless in high lvl mp, and unbreakable grasp is more useful for kiting. Total IAS now is 2.12.
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wah u play ias and cc only? all the way splinter or ghost bomb ar?
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If u use Acid Rain as main damage dealer ofc its a waste .. at high lvl mp AR is used for fast life regen (i need only spam 3x AR to get back max life from a near death situation)
Acid Rain only shines as damage dealer on low lvl mp (mp0-mp1) provided u have high base damage + high crit chance. There's no other attack in WD arsenal that can make u speed run mp0-1 for the best xp/per hr (paragon leveling) other than AR.
24 yards AoE and a pack of white mobs can all be hit by AR .. at 11xk dps i crit around 2xxk using AR and multiply dat by how many mobs in a pack.
If u wanna know how fast my speed runs are .. ask Henry lolz he joined me for a half-run b4 i had to stop n go for lunch.
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Can't afford ias, cc, cd ring yet. Basically playing this to push up my dps. Wish I have higher fear chance on my echoing though... That would be perfect for my splinter build. I use acid rain for lvling and unbreakable grasp on mp8 über.


Added on December 2, 2012, 8:23 pmI used to have a skorn int earlier on, sold that and made a nice profit. But I would say my current build is more efficient in pushing lvl, for my splinter build. Add me in game and run with me. smile.gif

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it seems like u dont have much AR lol... not needed in high mp ar? can survive mer? i haven try b4... or i dont dare to try lol

2nd hand weapon use for bears better, if u are goin for ias atk like splinter and bomb better dual wield

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QUOTE(renishi @ Dec 2 2012, 08:06 PM)
@gecko: i cant find back where i read them but it has been ages.... since like june/july.

i am very tempted to change my weapon but my cheapskate nature doesnt allow me... bought 1 15m manajuma with LS+socket but only increase 3 to 4k dps... i dont think it is worth it so i sold i back sigh. Need to pray that it drop for me then tongue.gif
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AFAIK there's no cap for LoH other than different attack has different proc rate.
Refer to this documentation for details: 1.05 WD Proc Coefficent Rate
From my own experience i can say that AR & RoT gives the best LoH proc since both are DoT attack (u get back health back over duration of DoT) and AR seems to give the max life back due to its large AoE (more mobs getting hit = more LoH proc = more life back) plus as compared to RoT u dont need to target precisely when using AR (cases when u are near death and running away)
Bears on the other hand benefits more from LS due to its huge damage (more if u crit) and this too afaik has no caps.

The only way i know to gain huge dps boost is to stack CD and CC (wpn with high base dmg + base roll of CD + OS). If u choose a black wpn (pure physical dmg .. no elemental dmg) such as EF ... +%elemental dmg will also boost your dps considerably (zuni boots, tal's ammy etc). Another fast way is to boost dps is by stacking avg dmg stats on jewelry (rings n ammy).


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QUOTE(inuyasha88 @ Dec 2 2012, 08:20 PM)
Can't afford ias, cc, cd ring yet. Basically playing this to push up my dps. Wish I have higher fear chance on my echoing though... That would be perfect for my splinter build. I use acid rain for lvling and unbreakable grasp on mp8 über.


Added on December 2, 2012, 8:23 pmI used to have a skorn int earlier on, sold that and made a nice profit. But I would say my current build is more efficient in pushing lvl, for my splinter build. Add me in game and run with me. smile.gif
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Fear on EF saved me from death so many times back when i used it (still hv 11xx dps EF with OS in my stash but rarely use now). Its a love @ hate it affix (usually in party play some wont appreciate it if mobs keeps getting fear and run away).

Yeah i will add u later when i start playing (atm still hv few tv series to watch .. maybe in another 1-2 hrs). Would love to see ur fast splinter build in action. Interested to see how fast splinters clear mobs on low mp & how it fare when dealing with RD packs on high mp. Maybe we do act 3 mp1 speed runs & act 2 mp5 key runs in VoA (plenty of RD packs in VoA hehe).

Btw splinter has 0.333 proc rate and its not a DoT attack anymore explain why low fear proc .. test it using RoT and see if the fear procs more often. Imho your ias build would benefit a lot from a witching hour ... u shud get 1 and see ur "machine-gun" become ultra fast haha ... i hv an unused WH: 100 intel + 7 pickup radius + other default stats (ias, cd) if u r interested smile.gif

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yeah and i the last few days i saw u went uber i didnt dare to join lol cus 0 im haha.... hunting keys at mp1 and mp5 but it doesnt drop much sigh
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yeah and i the last few days i saw u went uber i didnt dare to join lol cus 0 im haha.... hunting keys at mp1 and mp5 but it doesnt drop much sigh
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Whisper/PM me in-game if u see me on9 and need a partner to do key runs on higher mp ... i alrdy hv 8 sets of keys but always willing to get more tongue.gif
My uber party always hv open slot if u r interested to join (sumtimes i just do ubers in 2-player party and we do just fine on mp6-7 .. most of the time i get 2/3 organs). PM me if u wanna join and i will gladly send an invite.
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sure sure and i saw u 2 times uber at 4 to 5am hahaha. When u told me morning i was expecting 7 to 8am but this is a surprise haha. Good i need a partner to hunt key later... i owe my fren 3 im as they brought me on a free ride last week
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Lol i uber early in the morning bcos my barb partner is a canadian .. so its evening there (12 hrs diff). Also 4-6 am is the time i wake up and feel lucky to get good drops & organs from ubers haha.
Yeah we can do some key runs later if u want to ... mp5-6 shud be a good MP to do for me as can do at reasonable time with a good chance of key drops.


Added on December 3, 2012, 8:14 amFinally made the switch from Jousting Mail + Lacuni to Inna Temperance + rare bracers today and gained 20k dps rclxm9.gif (had to change topaz to amethyst in ammy's OS to make up for vita loss from Jousting Mail)

Speed Farm setup: 130k dps, 1.26 aps, 41% CC (47% CC for Acid Rain), 370% CD, 700 AR, 32k health
Key/Uber setup: 112k dps, 1.17 aps, 35% CC, 403% CD, 750 AR, 43k health

For uber setup i change Giyua to Vision (for more Vit) & HF ring to Pox (more AR, CD & +20 mana regen)
Now able to bump up my speed run to mp2.. almost same time taken to clear as mp1 since white mobs die with 1 click of AR, only Elite packs take a bit longer. However the increased xp gain make it faster to lvl up.

Next upgrade:
- Vile Ward @ rare shoulder with pickup radius + vita
- Craft a HF ring with CC% roll.
- Vision & Pox with CC% roll.

The way i see it, i should be able to break 200k dps if i upgrade my jewelry with high CD roll (atm almost 0 CD on them, just rely on CD from Skorn). max all CC on gears & get a higher dps LS Skorn with higher base CD roll. There's still a lot that can be improved on my gear setup but its definately gonna cost me a lot from now on sweat.gif

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back from hometown... now i am free to d3...

joined Gecko's half session... what i can say is he farm super duper fast...

even coop 2 ppl, mobs hp increased, he still can "lalila" AR and dash all the way...

after i see his speed, i no more mood run my WD, so i go cont my Fem WD... now lvl 42 LOL... tongue.gif

why??? nothing la... just want to play all 5 classes male and female... tongue.gif
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mind to share the route for act3 run suitable for WD?
and total estimated duration~

we have oppa doodle run for wizard.. we WD need one also! tongue.gif
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Mostly I only do keep 2, 3 -> Stonefort KW. Rinse and repeat.
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core > keep 3 2 1 > bridge rakkis > stonefort... repeat...

and owww yes, my femwd... ^^

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QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 2 2012, 06:51 PM)
DPS now drop to 103k
Life increase to 50k.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/azucari...446/hero/988181

Can start MP8/9 UBER.. RAWR~!!

BTW, Planning to sell my Ouroboros..

Ouroboros.
+28-58 Dmg
+241 INT
+104 VIT
Each Hit +362 Life
+CC 7.5%
Socketed with +58 INT Topaz.

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mind to share the route for act3 run suitable for WD?
and total estimated duration~

we have oppa doodle run for wizard.. we WD need one also! tongue.gif
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Depending on your playstyle and choice of main attack/damage dealer, WD can speed farm act3 mp0-mp1 pretty fast.
Few notable areas not to be excluded for xp runs are: Arreat Crater 2, Field of Slaughter & Keep Level 2. These 3 places are the most packed areas with high density of white mobs.

For my own speed run i choose to use Acid Rain as my main damage dealer bcos of its Huge AoE makes it possible for me to clear whole pack of white mobs with just 1 click of AR. Spirit Walk/Jaunt & Horrify/Stalker is used to minimise travel time between packs (with Grave Injustice passive ... u can practically AR > Jaunt/Stalk > next pack n repeat the process). Circle of Life + Sacrifice combo is chosen to make sure i dont run out of mana when facing Elite packs, plus Sac is a huge damage dealer as well (275% wpn dmg x number of zdogs). Big Nuke + Mana Back = awesome. Garg/Restless Giant is for that xtra dmg against Elite packs .. can be replaced by anything u want .. summon zdog can be used here to get zdog in emergency cases where ure dont hv zdog from CoL (prolonged fight with tough Elite packs). RoT is my backup attack for situations like Jailer or hitting behind obstacles.

As for the route i choose,, its pretty much similar to Alkaizers. The key is to get 5 nv stacks ASAP so dat u gain xtra xp/mf/gf after that.

1-Start at Core (entrance of Azmo lair) and travel backwards to WP (for the duration of the run .. try to Jaunt/Stalk to big packs n avoid single/small number mobs .. u can still attack while in Jaunt/Stalk mode and proceed to next target).
2- WP to Tower of the Damned Lvl1 .. make one full circle back to WP (u should be hv 4-5 NV stacks by now) .. some ppl go up to Crater 1 but i find Crater 1 layour a bit confusing and hv possibility to take wrong turn so i avoid it. So i just take the WP to next area.
3- Crater 2 .. this is the 1st xp gold mine .... huge packs of scorpions is the best xp provider .. make sure u clear whole pack of em (killing 1 pack will ensure ur Jaunt/Stalker CD is refreshed so can use again). From my own experience, i can say that the correct turn to take to get to Tower of Cursed 1 s always on the right hand side.
4- Tower of Curse 1 .. some might skip this as white mobs are not so packed but i do it to get better chance of item drops (at least 2-3 Elite packs here).. its a pretty straight forward map and i just Jaunt/Stalk till i find an Elite pack to kill. Go till stairs (entrace to lvl 2) and TP back.
5- If u pick up rares/ToS/gems this is a good time to put them into stash to free inventory again.. WP to Rakkis.
6- Rakkis ..one notable thing in Rakkis is u might find some events that provide event bosses (good chance of drops ... i personally hv some notable loot from them)... if xp & time is more your concern, skip doing events (store, spyglass, helping the liutenant).. work your way to Field of Slaughter asap while killing along the way to get CD on Jaunt/Stalker.
7- Field of Slaughter ... another packed areas but quite "dangerous" as some pack combination can be deadly if not careful (Pestilence + Tremor + Mologs can kill u fast) so be xtra careful not to pull so many packs together ... make 1 full circle (clock wise @ anti clock wise whichever u prefer).. after making 1 full circle u can either TP back or make a straight line dash to WP.
8- WP to Keep 3 .. shud be arnd 2-3 packs of Elites in Keep 3 .. once u alrdy killed 2-3 Elie packs find entrance to Keep 2 (the breach).
9- Keep 2 .. this is where the "magic" always happen for me lolz ... so many drops i had from Keep 2 & most xp as well .. try to clear whole area till u find entrance to Keep 1 (if u get to a dead end can tp back and wp to keep 1).. thing to look out for in Keep 2 is the !@#$%^ maniacs .. haha. Kill them b4 they get close or if they get too close use Jaunt/Stalk (u cannot be killed in SW mode).. most of the time death occurs when u break a door and find a pack of maniacs waiting behind it.
10- Keep 1 .. can be skipped if prefer not to wander around it as mobs are not as packed as in Keep 2
11- Another optional area is Stonefort ... u will spend a noticeable time going thru alternative route (up a tower and below side passage) to look for Warden. However most mobs are easy to kill .. just make sure u kill 1st the shaman or whatever the name is that keeps reviving those small buggers.

I am not sure the exact time i take to do full speed run but i will time my next run and let u know .. also how much xp gained per run. Roughly from PL 60-65 doin mp1 speed run covering this area i gain 1.5 - 2+ bar.

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Lolz .. we shud do another full run nxt time .. sry bout the other day bcos i had to leave half-way for lunch ... i can speed run mp2 now with my increased dps so mp1 in coop shud be a breeze .. haha.

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@ Gecko...

lai lai... bring me speed run... smile.gif

btw, i just cant resist to pickup those light blue stuff... LOL
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i follow alkaizerx's run

Start from azmodan entrance

Core > tower of damn lvl 1 > arrear lvl 2 > FOS via rakkis crossing > keep lvl 2 via keep lvl 1

as of now 16min to finish exp gain is only 10+mill atm. 16min excluding finding the key warden
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swt... 16mins ohmy.gif

my whole run take me 1hr10mins..
start from rakkis crossing all the way to field of slaughter& ice cave
then stonefort > keep lvl 1,2,3 > siegebreaker >all the way to azmodan

feel like not efficient hmm.gif

personally i prefer long run .. but want to make it 40-50mins best for me..
1hr10mins is too long to me rclxub.gif

any place i can skip in act3 full run? jusst to save 10-20mins..
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My run:
Core->keep 3->keep 2 via keep 1 tp->rakkis->FOS->crater 1->tower->crater 2->tower->stonefort

Around 45 mins for me including warden. Usually I rush in front, spam bears, spam ghost bomb, near death, pot or SW then continue spamming while move a bit to pick up globes

Most of my best leg drops are at keep 2. I shall try Geko's run

Best run is 4 legs in 2 player mp3 run. Nothing good though haha. My best record is 10 legs in 4 consecutive runs (all mp3)
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last time my fren tell me to run the whole tower starting from after siegebreaker... around 30+ min and only 10+m exp.... so after much calculation i think alkaizers run is much better in terms of exp per minute. For me la....
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It all depends on your goals (xp @ items @ both ... in my case its both) and your playstyle. Whichever it is, bear in mind that xp gained is more or less the same for white mobs or elite packs. However for items, elite packs drop more items per elite boss so in theory they are the one who hv best chance of dropping a leg altho white mobs can drop legs as well. Tbh rares such as gloves, ammy, ring & armor (in particular pants) hv more chance of being sold in AH rather than a poorly rolled legs (worse case scenario u can salvage for brim n hope new craft plan will push brim price high again).
Alkaizer hv laid out a nice route that u can follow or modify to suit ur needs/playstye. As ive pointed out in an earlier post, make sure Crater 2, Field of Slaughter & Keep 2 are part of that route. I choose Core & Tower Damned 1 to start so dat i can get quick 5nv stack and save Keep 2 for the last as it is the best area so far that given me leg drop ratio.
If xp is your main goal ... u can skip elite packs (especially tough ones) by using Spirit Walk and just kill white mobs. You will still gain considerabe xp at a faster time (its killing the elite packs that take most of the run time). Minimise travel time between packs by using Jaunt + Stalker (this combo also make sure elite packs cannot chase u lolz). GL & Happy Farming~!!

p/s: 3 player coop mp0 > 2 player coop mp1 > solo mp2
So u might want to do some coop xp farming to maximise xp gained .. not to mention if u hv a good teamwork between party members it'll make your run faster and much more efficient, Feel free to add me @ Hulkie#6526 if u want someone to do coop speed xp runs (or even key runs at mp5-6)

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Just tried gecko's run mp0 with AR + CoL + sacrifice. I must say its damn fast! Dropped one ivory and manticore (both junk) in 3 runs. Then server kicked me out in the middle of 4th run @_@
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lol try mp1 la... quite easy 1 also and yes every 4th run they will kick u out but u can just relog ba so no biggie
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yesterday bought a new pox... 50m... sad.gif

replaced my old one... 89int, 84vit, 70ar, 34cd, 3cc, os...

ok now i just hope my stuff can sell... sad.gif

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Dec 3 2012, 07:11 PM)
Just tried gecko's run mp0 with AR + CoL + sacrifice. I must say its damn fast! Dropped one ivory and manticore (both junk) in 3 runs. Then server kicked me out in the middle of 4th run @_@
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CoL + Sac/Pride work wonders in low mp speed farm doesnt it? Not only u get mana back from Pride, u also deal huge damage (275% x number of zdog) and if u hv LS .. notice how Sac fills up ur health considerably.

QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 4 2012, 11:15 AM)
yesterday bought a new pox... 50m... sad.gif

replaced my old one... 89int, 84vit, 70ar, 34cd, 3cc, os...

ok now i just hope my stuff can sell... sad.gif
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Wah! Pox with CC drool.gif One of my wishlist gear but for now still cannot afford (want to spend 5m oso think many2 times) haha almost broke now maintaining 2 toons (WD & DH). How much dps did u gain from the Pox Henry?
Anyways, Pox with CC can wait since most of the time i spend doing speed runs for para lvl where i dont use Pox (HF Ring instead for the XP bonus). Only during Key/Uber runs do i use Pox. I hv to use Unity as my other ring as its my only source of LoH now (wishing an intel Unity with CD roll to drop for me in the near future lolz)

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 4 2012, 11:15 AM)
yesterday bought a new pox... 50m... sad.gif

replaced my old one... 89int, 84vit, 70ar, 34cd, 3cc, os...

ok now i just hope my stuff can sell... sad.gif
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I dropped the POX from my build and replaced it with SoJ/cold damage.
Lost 5K DPS (from 126K to 121K) but I gained 28% damage bonus on elites.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 4 2012, 12:18 PM)
CoL + Sac/Pride work wonders in low mp speed farm doesnt it? Not only u get mana back from Pride, u also deal huge damage (275% x number of zdog) and if u hv LS .. notice how Sac fills up ur health considerably.
Wah! Pox with CC  drool.gif  One of my wishlist gear but for now still cannot afford (want to spend 5m oso think many2 times) haha almost broke now maintaining 2 toons (WD & DH). How much dps did u gain from the Pox Henry?
Anyways, Pox with CC can wait since most of the time i spend doing speed runs for para lvl where i dont use Pox (HF Ring instead for the XP bonus). Only during Key/Uber runs do i use Pox. I hv to use Unity as my other ring as its my only source of LoH now (wishing an intel Unity with CD roll to drop for me in the near future lolz)
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not much... 5k dps like that...

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 4 2012, 12:25 PM)
I dropped the POX from my build and replaced it with SoJ/cold damage.
Lost 5K DPS (from 126K to 121K) but I gained 28% damage bonus on elites.
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i wan a SoJ but cant found a nice one... sad.gif
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I drop Unity for SoJ (27% dmg to elites + 5% cc Acid Rain) ... my dps drop from 130k to 115k but i see crit more often (200-250k crits with Acid Rain hving 46% CC) also elite die faster so i can speed farm mp2 solo quite as fast as mp1.
Just finished mp1 speed farm with xidane (WD PL83) ... haha like 2 WD on steroids ... run so fast like Usain Bolt .. nice lor.
Almost bankrupt now lolz .. only 2m left after buyout a Vile Ward with vit + pickup radius for 25m. Pickup radius now +21 w/out ToTD & 4-5k health boost after using my new Ward.
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gecko, when want do choo choo train run???

i am ready for that run by borrow a frog to vacuum gold... tongue.gif

so other drop i can ignore... tongue.gif

tonite lai lai...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 5 2012, 10:01 AM)
gecko, when want do choo choo train run???

i am ready for that run by borrow a frog to vacuum gold... tongue.gif

so other drop i can ignore... tongue.gif

tonite lai lai...
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Ok .. sure can Henry ... tonite i will be on9 .. dis morning i need to "organise" my stash and sell unused items to fund for next upgrade (broke alrdy now haha).
Zuni Set (excluding Pox), lots of weapons (EF, Sun Keeper, Carving Knife, Azurewrath, rare wpns), various mojos (ToTD, Ukh, String of Skulls, Gory Fetch) and also accompanying gears (vile wards, Blackthorne pants & belt) all must go for bargain price hehe .. will try to organise everything neatly in a photobucket album n share the link later.
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Interested!!! Give us nice pricing ya! Btw, any shortcut keys that can take multiple screenshots of D3 without alt-tabbing out to paste?
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 5 2012, 10:34 AM)
Ok .. sure can Henry ... tonite i will be on9 .. dis morning i need to "organise" my stash and sell unused items to fund for next upgrade (broke alrdy now haha).
Zuni Set (excluding Pox), lots of weapons (EF, Sun Keeper, Carving Knife, Azurewrath, rare wpns), various mojos (ToTD, Ukh, String of Skulls, Gory Fetch) and also accompanying gears (vile wards, Blackthorne pants & belt) all must go for bargain price hehe .. will try to organise everything neatly in a photobucket album n share the link later.
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same here... too many junks...

and i found that i got few trifecta gloves in my stash...

wonder got price or not LOL...
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Interested!!! Give us nice pricing ya! Btw, any shortcut keys that can take multiple screenshots of D3 without alt-tabbing out to paste?
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Surely the price will be negotiable .. will try to price it below current market price (if u can find a better priced similar item i will match that price and even reduce it 20%) definately will be lower than what i bought them for lolz.
U can set the shortcut key for printscreen in Option (default is SysRq i think) ... u just press the shortcut key u define n later when u done playing u can locate it in a folder (usually in My Doc/Diablo III). No need to alt tab each time u make a screenshot.
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ok me also selling my old gears... tongue.gif

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I am looking for a gory fetch with at least 8% crit <3
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Wondering whether D3 will release the CUBE or not, for combine items.. haha.. I proposing this Gear for Blizzard~! XD

"The Witching Soup" - Mojo
Ingredient:
- A Snake
- A Chicken
- A Frog
- A Ginseng

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yesterday tested CCT build but fuh... sad.gif

AR + ZB hard to control la... doh.gif
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What is CCT and ZB?
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Dec 6 2012, 11:21 AM)
What is CCT and ZB?
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zb = zombie bears...
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@Gecko Booked your ToTD XD
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 6 2012, 10:49 AM)
yesterday tested CCT build but fuh... sad.gif

AR + ZB hard to control la... doh.gif
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What is CCT build? share lor hehe

For my key/uber runs:
Left Click: PD/SD (for quick mana regen when i close to oom)
Right Click: AR (for white mobs & spammed for quick life regen)
Skill 1 (hotkey A): ZB (for tough mobs, elite packs)

Once i get used to the config its pretty easy. From a distance 1 click of AR any leftovers get close to me, i hold stop movement key (assigned to spacebar) + keep left mouse button pressed + repeatedly press (quick taps) button A. ZB will be spammed with short intervals of PD/SD attacks (for mana). This way i rarely go OOM while making sure high damage via ZB is being dealt continuously. When theres only 1 monster left (usually elite boss), i let go of left mouse button and press down button A .. faster stream of ZB but surely will go OOM but then the last monster will be dead by the time i drain my mana. If my health go down below 75% i will spam AR 2-3 time and get back to max health.

Atm i'm testing Wall of Zombie/Pile on to replace Garg on my speed runs. I dont feel i need a tanker on speed runs and WoZ offer another high damage attack to be used on Elite packs. WoZ/PO gives 800% wpn dmg + knockback and after few tries i found out that its a fast way to kill single tough monster (crit up to 1 mil at times). However it needs precise positioning so that the tower falls right on intended target. PO has a reduced CD of 10 seconds which enables it to be used frequently.


Added on December 6, 2012, 1:17 pm
QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 6 2012, 12:19 PM)
@Gecko Booked your ToTD XD
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I think i can let go of my ToTD now that i have +21 pickup radius .. let me know when u want it and we'll work something out hehe.

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^PM you tonight test test see your ToTD XD

CCT = Chu Chu Train....

Keretapi Build ar haha


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after see that CCT... i rasa play back my Monk to do vacuum build...

btw, Gecko / maxapez2 / Boonie / untong... i demand a wd to plvl 100...

i think u guys can make it man... tongue.gif

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Need any non godly,cheap,noobs DH to do CCT sweat.gif
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Need any non godly,cheap,noobs DH to do CCT sweat.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 6 2012, 02:42 PM)
after see that CCT... i rasa play back my Monk to do vacuum build...

btw, Gecko / maxapez2 / Boonie / untong... i demand a wd to plvl 100...

i think u guys can make it man... tongue.gif
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There's this WD from LYN i played with yesterday testing a speed run.. babyxidane (idk his LYN id) is alrdy PL83, so i think he is our best bet to hv first PL100 WD rclxms.gif I myself will continue to speed run my WD until PL70 then i will stop, depending if i get my hands on 2 signets & a cain set (if my dps after equipping that 2 gears still can run inferno act3 mp0 efficently) i will consider making an effort to reach PL100. Or else i will start playing HC ... my SC experience using a WD has provided me with enough knowledge to let me venture into HC (will try at least complete all acts up to inferno solo ... dats my goal).

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U plvl 67
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i think biggest chance is maxapez2...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 6 2012, 02:48 PM)
ok this is embarrassing sweat.gif
my WD show her cheast brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 6 2012, 03:19 PM)
For my key/uber runs:
Left Click: PD/SD (for quick mana regen when i close to oom)
Right Click: AR (for white mobs & spammed for quick life regen)
Skill 1 (hotkey A): ZB (for tough mobs, elite packs)

Once i get used to the config its pretty easy. From a distance 1 click of AR any leftovers get close to me, i hold stop movement key (assigned to spacebar) + keep left mouse button pressed + repeatedly press (quick taps) button A. ZB will be spammed with short intervals of PD/SD attacks (for mana). This way i rarely go OOM while making sure high damage via ZB is being dealt continuously. When theres only 1 monster left (usually elite boss), i let go of left mouse button and press down button A .. faster stream of ZB but surely will go OOM but then the last monster will be dead by the time i drain my mana. If my health go down below 75% i will spam AR 2-3 time and get back to max health.

Atm i'm testing Wall of Zombie/Pile on to replace Garg on my speed runs. I dont feel i need a tanker on speed runs and WoZ offer another high damage attack to be used on Elite packs. WoZ/PO gives 800% wpn dmg + knockback and after few tries i found out that its a fast way to kill single tough monster (crit up to 1 mil at times). However it needs precise positioning so that the tower falls right on intended target. PO has a reduced CD of 10 seconds which enables it to be used frequently.
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Give this a try. Stutter stepping.

Left Click: Bola (ur WD primary attack, i'm guessing poison dart)
Right Click: BL (zombie bears???? )
Move Command: G2
Force stand still: Ctrl

That's mine setup.

Hold G2 and Right click repeatedly. You'll be shoot -> move -> shoot -> move. Better farming efficiency IMO.

If you need to use your left click attack.

Either hold ctrl and left click. I think this is okay but the better one would be:

G2 -> Ctrl -> Left click.

So, u're move -> stop -> shoot ..

Give it a try!!

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G2 =?
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 6 2012, 03:48 PM)
Give this a try. Stutter stepping.

Left Click: Bola (ur WD primary attack, i'm guessing poison dart)
Right Click: BL (zombie bears???? )
Move Command: G2
Force stand still: Ctrl

That's mine setup.

Hold G2 and Right click repeatedly. You'll be shoot -> move -> shoot -> move. Better farming efficiency IMO.

If you need to use your left click attack.

Either hold ctrl and left click. I think this is okay but the better one would be:

G2 -> Ctrl -> Left click.

So, u're move -> stop -> shoot ..

Give it a try!!
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Thx for the tip bro thumbup.gif .. will definately try it out on my DH. I'll assign move to W since my fingers are used to the ASDW keys & stand still hv to use spacebar (i use my thumb to press to stop movement so need to use largest key haha.. while other fingers free to press A, S, D, E & Q)
For my WD its quite different as WD n DH playstyle are not similar. My DH prefer to be at max range away from mobs while WD needs to be mid-range for Bears to hit effectively.
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G2 =?
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i'm using logitech G110 keyboard. So G2 is assigned as F2.
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Just felt like sharing some screenshots of my speed farm session with regards to how much crit dmg i was able to do after my switch to 2h setup:

AR Crits (main reason i can speed farm mp2 efficiently)

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(10 crit hits from a single AR on a pack of scorpions)

Bear Crits (not usually on my skill setup for speed farm but just wanted how much Bears can crit)

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(2 crits from a single Bear attack .. 514k & 477k)


Pile On Crits (my latest Elite pack killer attack for speed farming)

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(1m crit dmg on an elite mob .. PO can hit multiple targets as well if they are in a tight formation ... plus PO has that knockback effect)

I cant seem to capture crits using Sacrifice but i thinks its around 600-700k (275% wpn dmg each zdog)
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@Gecko

I think you should do MP3 when i saw your crits on the scorpions.

I equip pick up radius gear and when i run MP2 with them and BL, the BL crits at 120k-160k, way more than enough to kill them.

So i think u r overkilling on MP2, i suggest you move up one MP level man.

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@Gecko

I think you should do MP3 when i saw your crits on the scorpions.

I equip pick up radius gear and when i run MP2 with them and BL, the BL crits at 120k-160k, way more than enough to kill them.

So i think u r overkilling on MP2, i suggest you move up one MP level man.
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I might push my speed farm to mp3 once i hit PL70 .. atm no problem clearing white mobs, its the elite packs that take longer to kill on mp3 n above. AR doesnt seem to kill them fast enough and since i dont use Bears on my speed run build (dat skill slot is used for Stalker to get max MS). Been experimenting with WoZ/PO for elite packs fast kill and so far i find that PO can do the job well but need to do some kiting since PO cannot be spammed (has a CD of 10 seconds).
For now mp2 speed farm is my sweet spot .. roughly 20 mins per run and my xp bar goes up 1.5-2 bar each run ... drops are not bad as well (averaging 1 leg every 2 runs) with 5NV @ 350% MF.
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 6 2012, 03:28 PM)
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U plvl 67
maxapez2 plvl 85
untong plvl 64
Boonie plvl 65

i think biggest chance is maxapez2...
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haha , stil long way to P100, kindy slowy n lazy to pump....lvl,, slow like turtle.. think will be farm high mp for items,,,@@ after get almost junk legend at low mp
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Firstly, thanks all for the tips! From this forum I managed to raise my dps from 40k to 100k smile.gif

Now looking to raise it more so trying to farm gold.

My current stats is
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/alunike...8/hero/16965706

I use Zombie dogs when I solo and switch that to hex when I play teams.

Any items I should keep my eyes out to raise more dps?

Thanks in advance!
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^ yeah we need a paragon level 100 WD. C'mon guys...
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QUOTE(nickygin @ Dec 7 2012, 11:49 AM)
Firstly, thanks all for the tips! From this forum I managed to raise my dps from 40k to 100k smile.gif

Now looking to raise it more so trying to farm gold.

My current stats is
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/alunike...8/hero/16965706

I use Zombie dogs when I solo and switch that to hex when I play teams.

Any items I should keep my eyes out to raise more dps?

Thanks in advance!
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Nice! another 2h WD like myself hehe. Since u r using Skorn, ur priority is to get as high Crit Chance as possible (ias wont benefit u much except gving u paper dps only, Crit Hit Dmg alrdy high from Skorn but getting more is always welcome) & avg dmg stats will also raise ur dps considerably.
For upgrades start with ring, replace that rare ring u hv with another rare dat gives CC & avg dmg @ get a Unity (since ur Skorn is without LS @ LoH .. LoH on Unity would help getting back health from ur attacks).
You might also want to consider going for Zuni set (at least 2 items to get 130 intel bonus). Boots is a must (+% poison dmg will give good boost t dps since ure a Skorn user) + another Zuni item (helm if u need more health, ring if u need CD & AR)
Your rare helm is alrdy nice with max CC & high armor. If u feel like trying out Acid Rain for speed xp farming, get a Giyua with 6% CC + 5-8% CC to Acid Cloud (u will lose vit but gain AR from Giyua ... u wont see an increase on ur character sheet dps but trust me that xtra 5-8% CC to Acid Cloud will make u crit more often when using Acid Rain). Check out my previous posts few pages back for more details.
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 7 2012, 12:08 PM)
Nice! another 2h WD like myself hehe. Since u r using Skorn, ur priority is to get as high Crit Chance as possible (ias wont benefit u much except gving u paper dps only, Crit Hit Dmg alrdy high from Skorn but getting more is always welcome) & avg dmg stats will also raise ur dps considerably.
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Thanks for the tips! Will have a look for those items.
Actually I started using skorn thanks to one of your earlier posts and I realise that skorn for intel is relatively cheaper! smile.gif


Added on December 8, 2012, 1:41 amHey Gecko, thanks for your advice! Got myself a cheap Zuni set of shoes and ring and now my dps is at 120k!
Now have to save up and improve the stats.

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Hallo WD
nood coming through..
play c4 dog now ..booom
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mp1 farm no prob...keh keh keh..boom boom booom

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Dec 8 2012, 03:46 PM)
Hallo WD
nood coming through..
play c4 dog now ..booom
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/lksing7...7/hero/15465699

mp1 farm no prob...keh keh keh..boom boom booom
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go buy this if u wana play c4 dog
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i know..bo lui liaw...
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that nice little thing with 20cd 40mil and above mah..
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0 cd zdog gear is nice to have but dmg on Sac using such setup tends to be much lower than using high base dmg 2h wpn.
Personally i prefer to get free zdog from CoL passive and get higher dmg from Sac when using 2h wpn such as Skorn.
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 8 2012, 07:57 PM)
0 cd zdog gear is nice to have but dmg on Sac using such setup tends to be much lower than using high base dmg 2h wpn.
Personally i prefer to get free zdog from CoL passive and get higher dmg from Sac when using 2h wpn such as Skorn.
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full u have extraordinary telekinetic pawah
u can read my mind well laugh.gif
275% weapon dmg x 1400 dps weapon= 3450 ka booom (noob calculation lah)

yah prefer higher weapon dmg..rather then high DPS on the paper
the way i play is throw one fire bomb and walk around to find health globe
i let the monster do the fighting...

anyway i farm mp1 and mp0 nia lah so doable for now
higher mp i use my DH ..miss Retnuh wub.gif
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fuh changed build and can farm mp5 liao...

don wan use AR build liao me... tongue.gif
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Changed build and farm mp8 now.. XD

but AR drop, life regen drop, mana regen drop..
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Current setup:
mp5-6: fast n efficient farming almost 0 death
mp7-9: slow with some occassional death when facing vortex/arcane/molten especially (wallers are also a problem as it makes spamming bears difficult)

Spined Dart = fast mana regen
Acid Rain = fast health regen
Zombie Bears = main dmg dealer
Honored Guest = getting away & mana regen
Jinx = crowd control & xtra dmg
Bruiser = tank (between my garg's stun & templar's freeze attack from Azurewarth + Star of Azkaranth most elites/champs can be handled safely)

Spirit Walk (2nd set of life), Blood Ritual & Spiritual Attunement enable Bears to be spammed non stop for continuous high dmg output.

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Gecko... need ur advice sikit...

currently i am using below build:

Corpse Spiders - Widowmakers
Zombie Charger - Zombie Bears
Spirit Walk - Jaunt
Soul Harvest - Vengeful Spirit
Summon Zombie Dogs - Leeching Beasts
Gargantuan - Restless Giant

Blood Ritual, Jungle Fortitude, Spirit Vessel

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HenryLo...2/hero/13130048

i would like to improve my gears... from my build... which gears i shld improve??? low gold now... 7mil only... thanks...
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i sell ur kidney to the sacrifice god to get more gold...








ok time run before i get firebomb
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 10 2012, 11:06 AM)
Gecko... need ur advice sikit...

currently i am using below build:

Corpse Spiders - Widowmakers
Zombie Charger - Zombie Bears
Spirit Walk - Jaunt
Soul Harvest - Vengeful Spirit
Summon Zombie Dogs - Leeching Beasts
Gargantuan - Restless Giant

Blood Ritual, Jungle Fortitude, Spirit Vessel

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HenryLo...2/hero/13130048

i would like to improve my gears... from my build... which gears i shld improve??? low gold now... 7mil only... thanks...
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From your current gear i would say getting a Witching Hour would give u most dps boost (from ias & chd). However to replace what your current belt provides in terms of EHP, u need a very expensive WH (intel + vit + AR). If you are willing to sacrifice some ehp for dps boost i am wiling to sell u my WH for 20% below AH price tongue.gif (12.5M cheapest in AH so far ive checked, i could let go of mine at 10m sweat.gif )

my WH stats:
100 intel
+39 lightning resist
9% ias
38% chd
+19% GF
+7 pickup radius
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 10 2012, 11:19 AM)
From your current gear i would say getting a Witching Hour would give u most dps boost (from ias & chd). However to replace what your current belt provides in terms of EHP, u need a very expensive WH (intel + vit + AR). If you are willing to sacrifice some ehp for dps boost i am wiling to sell u my WH for 20% below AH price  tongue.gif (12.5M cheapest in AH so far ive checked, i could let go of mine at 10m  sweat.gif )

my WH stats:
100 intel
+39 lightning resist
9% ias
38% chd
+19% GF
+7 pickup radius
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wow nice....
and cheap also biggrin.gif

ok henry sell ur WD mia kidney liaw.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 10 2012, 11:19 AM)
From your current gear i would say getting a Witching Hour would give u most dps boost (from ias & chd). However to replace what your current belt provides in terms of EHP, u need a very expensive WH (intel + vit + AR). If you are willing to sacrifice some ehp for dps boost i am wiling to sell u my WH for 20% below AH price  tongue.gif (12.5M cheapest in AH so far ive checked, i could let go of mine at 10m  sweat.gif )

my WH stats:
100 intel
+39 lightning resist
9% ias
38% chd
+19% GF
+7 pickup radius
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er brader, i only have 7m, nvm la. i go bully mp0~mp1 mobs 1st...

recently no nice drop... even legs also imba crap...

my belt i sayang ler... but in term to increase dps, i thinking think, either i sacrifice my ehp or spend a lot of gold...

siao liao... sad.gif


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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Dec 10 2012, 11:26 AM)
wow nice....
and cheap also biggrin.gif

ok henry sell ur WD mia kidney liaw.. thumbup.gif
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apa la u... tongue.gif

when u want do 0cd c4??? whistling.gif

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no need 0cd for dog ...
now with skill mix also feel like 0cd dog liaw..

see mobs..throw fire bomb..throw grasp...throw harvest soul...booom c4...
DR mobs also die...........









along with me.. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Dec 10 2012, 11:40 AM)
no need 0cd for dog ...
now with skill mix also feel like 0cd dog liaw..

see mobs..throw fire bomb..throw grasp...throw harvest soul...booom c4...
DR mobs also die...........
along with me.. sweat.gif
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u only will feel DR very obvious when ur DPS up to 100K...

before than i also ok ok DR i no sked no die...

then one day... my dps 100K, then i SH 5 stacks... then spam teddy...

then i die suddenly... then i asked what happened???

then see DR mobs... LOL

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if u use boom they came 1 shot mia...boom u see ur screen red liaw...the next thing u know ur gargantuan whack the mobs..."You are dead"
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if u use boom they came 1 shot mia...boom u see ur screen red liaw...the next thing u know ur gargantuan whack the mobs..."You are dead"
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can avoid one ma... tongue.gif

before u boom u spirit walk la...

tht's why u need grave injustice to fast skill cooldown...
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This my build
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;ThZ!YccZbc

mp0 to mp1 mia build lah...so if see DR mobs i slow slow jalan jalan cari health globe
let my minion keep them busy...lol..
other mobs boom c4 nia...
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Lose a Manajuma Knife bid >< sien already....

Will only play Skorn once I completed my build and have extra $$

Aiming for WH, Vision, and Pox.

Getting Pox and Vision to get the set bonus. Leaving Unity behind, and boost by LoH on Amulet, see if can get Duncraig Cross or Ouroboros...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 10 2012, 11:46 AM)
u only will feel DR very obvious when ur DPS up to 100K...

before than i also ok ok DR i no sked no die...

then one day... my dps 100K, then i SH 5 stacks... then spam teddy...

then i die suddenly... then i asked what happened???

then see DR mobs... LOL
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Ya! This is very true! I realise this the hard way... Faced some DR elite when I first time had DPS 120k and SH and GF 5 stacks... And then I released my bears... Instant death haha
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bears will deal extra 275% damage reflected back at you.. haha..

my gargantuan, zombie dogs, bears, spider aka widowmakers and my manitou spirit barrage makes me like silk cut by samurai.

Even life at 50k also need run, tried with 2.8k life regen also useless.. unless got very high LoH..
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LoH wont cut it if u using bears against RD mobs .. unless u r using RoT @ AR @ any DoT type attacks then yeah ... high LoH can help against RD mobs. However all those DoT type attacks hv low dmg and it'll take like forever to kill RD mobs on higher mp games.
If u intend to use bears against RD mobs, then the best way is to get a high LS 2h-wpn (doesnt necessarily hv to be a LS SKorn). Get a cheap rare 2h wpn with at least 1k dps & 5% LS (Vigilance legendary polearm is a good choise as well.. try get one with %stun @ freeze + open socket @ Warmonger) and see for yourself if u can use bears against RD mobs and not lose health while spamming bears.
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 11 2012, 10:42 AM)
LoH wont cut it if u using bears against RD mobs .. unless u r using RoT @ AR @ any DoT type attacks then yeah ... high LoH can help against RD mobs. However all those DoT type attacks hv low dmg and it'll take like forever to kill RD mobs on higher mp games.
If u intend to use bears against RD mobs, then the best way is to get a high LS 2h-wpn (doesnt necessarily hv to be a LS SKorn). Get a cheap rare 2h wpn with at least 1k dps & 5% LS (Vigilance legendary polearm is a good choise as well.. try get one with %stun @ freeze + open socket @ Warmonger) and see for yourself if u can use bears against RD mobs and not lose health while spamming bears.
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As far as LOH is concerned, bears don't proc life recovery as efficient as RoT & AR.

LS doesn't work efficiently too unless you can use bears as your primary skill.


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I was thinking, if u sprit walk then bears on rd mobs. U get damage as well?

I leveled my WD, boy i get the impression it melts elites fast but damn slow the play style.

And, I was told WD don't need AS. Now I'm gonna need to build a class that is the total opposite of DH?
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wont..if will get RD during spirit walk i will quit playing WD.. biggrin.gif

but WD most important&powerful skill is the spirit vessel passive, which give you a 2nd life
just make sure you receive damage not more than 50% of your maximum hp than you wont die

so unless you meet more than 1 reflect dmg mob within 90sec, you hv to slow play..
otherwise just spam bear as much as you like until you used up your 2nd life, which then you can spirit walk/horiffy/mass confusion~


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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 11 2012, 10:42 AM)
LoH wont cut it if u using bears against RD mobs .. unless u r using RoT @ AR @ any DoT type attacks then yeah ... high LoH can help against RD mobs. However all those DoT type attacks hv low dmg and it'll take like forever to kill RD mobs on higher mp games.
If u intend to use bears against RD mobs, then the best way is to get a high LS 2h-wpn (doesnt necessarily hv to be a LS SKorn). Get a cheap rare 2h wpn with at least 1k dps & 5% LS (Vigilance legendary polearm is a good choise as well.. try get one with %stun @ freeze + open socket @ Warmonger) and see for yourself if u can use bears against RD mobs and not lose health while spamming bears.
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So BIS is manajuma knife???
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post Dec 11 2012, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 11 2012, 11:13 AM)
So BIS is manajuma knife???
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For 1h+mojo setup i think Manajuma Carving Knife (1k dps + 100% CHD + OS) paired with Gory Fetch (300 avg dmg + reduced ZC cost + crit chance) would be BiS.
However high end EF + Ukhapian Serpent would work as well. (especially if u stack up +%elemental dmg i.e using Tal Set)
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Spirit walk is the only way we can gain extra life or mana without being harmed.. laugh.gif
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post Dec 11 2012, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 11 2012, 11:02 AM)
I was thinking, if u sprit walk then bears on rd mobs. U get damage as well?

I leveled my WD, boy i get the impression it melts elites fast but damn slow the play style.

And, I was told WD don't need AS. Now I'm gonna need to build a class that is the total opposite of DH?
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SW/Jaunt gives u 3 sec of invulnerability so that u can spam bears on RD even if u dont have LS. But on high MP games this is not good enough... Jaunt > use up Spirit Vessel > Jaunt again (while continuoulsy spamming bears) wont kill high health RD mobs such as Phasebeasts. From my own experience using 5.6% LS Skorn .. low health RD mobs dont pose much problem (unless RD + molten which somehow make my health go down when i spam bear on them) & for high health RD mobs i need to do some kiting while spamming bears in between (Hex/Jinx helps to do some crowd control while i run around spamming AR to get back health above 50% then continue with Bears)

Depending on your playstyle & choice of skill set, the speed at which u clear elites is dependant also on your gear/weapon. Even if u can mitigate RD with high LS your WD dmg output are still restricted by how much mana u have left (unlike DH which can spam hatred generating attacks, WD attacks doesnt generate mana so u need to manage mana via skill sets)

If u going Splinters @ Ghost Bomb build then AS would be important, but if Bears is your main dmg dealer higher AS = faster u lose mana & 0 mana = 0 dps.

Comparing my DH & WD ability to deal with RD packs i could say its far easier for my DH to handle RD with only minimum @ even 0 LS (Bola/Volatile to stun + Echoing Blast while in gloom mode) However my DH lacks crowd control in solo play as compared to my WD (Garg & Hex provide much needed crowd control).


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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 11 2012, 10:48 AM)
As far as LOH is concerned, bears don't proc life recovery as efficient as RoT & AR.

LS doesn't work efficiently too unless you can use bears as your primary skill.
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Thats exactly the point im trying to make in my post lolz
However i hv to add that LS is not just useful for Bears only but there are other attacks in WD arsenal that benefit from high LS. Sacrifice (275% wpn dmg for each zdog) has higher dmg output than Bears and i can assure u during my speed runs, Sac 3 zdog on an elite pack will get me back to max health (e pack will be dead @ almost dead after Sac) + max mana (Pride rune). Henry once asked me during our speed runs together why my Sac seems to deal more dmg than his Sac .. simple reason being i am using a 2h-wpn with higher base dmg (min is even higher than his max). Wall of Zombie/Pile On if used precisely can reap the benefits of LS also (800% wpn dmg ... crit up to 1m dps on my current setup ... aiming precisely at a packed mobs will ensure PO hits multiple targets).

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yup 2h weapons are meant to hit hard. even mace or spear gave higher damages.

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yah the weapon dmg scary man...
thats why i always prefer more weapon dmg compare with
less weapon dmg with cd or atk spd..

cause u goin to do white dmg more...unless u have 99 cc which is impossible..lol
of cause if i can afford LS skorn then it would be great but for now i doin just find, and happy with my skorn 14++dps... smile.gif

my most concern is waller,molten,...not even spirit walk can save u if u stuck in the middle of triangle wall and cook u alive...hohohoho..barbeque
I get more sked dealing with these guy compare with DR

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2) After seeing a number of posts from players about RD dealing what they felt to be TOO much damage (especially from minions), we did some additional testing and discovered that Rare minions with the affix were in fact doing more damage than intended. This is an issue we have scheduled to fix in an upcoming patch.
qouted from a blue post... this explains why sometimes i die.... even on low mp's darn!!
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Dec 11 2012, 01:56 PM)
yup 2h weapons are meant to hit hard. even mace or spear gave higher damages.
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WD hv 3 notable high dmg attacks; ZB (236% x 3 = 708% wpn dmg), Sac (275% x 3/4 = 825/1100% wpn dmg) & PO (800% wpn dmg) which makes a high base dmg wpn deadly when used with any of the 3 attacks. However they are "burst" damage as mana is a limitation to spam those attacks non-stop.

QUOTE(lksing78 @ Dec 11 2012, 01:57 PM)
yah the weapon dmg scary man...
thats why i always prefer more weapon dmg compare with
less weapon dmg with cd or atk spd..

cause u goin to do white dmg more...unless u have 99 cc which is impossible..lol
of cause if i can afford LS skorn then it would be great but for now i doin just find, and happy with my skorn 14++dps... smile.gif

my most concern is waller,molten,...not even spirit walk can save u if u stuck in the middle of triangle wall and cook u alive...hohohoho..barbeque
I get more sked dealing with these guy compare with DR
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My seniments exactly .. i just hate wallers lolz, dats why i keep RoT as main attack to ensure i can still output some dmg even when "walled". My personal worst affix combo on packs are Molten/Arcane/Vortex ... ground is on fire n full of sentry then they just suck u in using vortex ... GG hahaha.

QUOTE(renishi @ Dec 11 2012, 02:11 PM)
qouted from a blue post... this explains why sometimes i die.... even on low mp's darn!!
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The reason why i always spam AR on RD minions instead of using Bears (they hv low health so dont need bears to kill them).
If i remember correctly there's also a blue post also mentioning about taking away RD on pets attacks (i hate the fact that even when i am not attacking my health goes down bcos my garg is hitting RD mobs & i hv to dismiss my garg each time i try to rez party mbr during ZK/SB uber fights bcos each time my garg hits SB it interrupts the rez process)

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i just love spider bears combo.... hehehe...

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post Dec 12 2012, 10:42 AM

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i hate the animation of throwing spider jar tongue.gif

if not i heard the mana regen is very good using spider widow maker+VQ

now using haunt+RoE to regen my mana instead biggrin.gif
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I finally gave up farming for signet .. i think buying 1 would save me more time but the problem now is my lack of fund sad.gif
As i was going thru my mules to look for some items to put up in AH, i came across a Goldskin armor which once was used by my DH to farm gold. So i decided to try it out on my WD, incorporating GF into my existing speed farm for xp.
Some gear changes i made:
- replace Marrow with Goldskin (100% GF + chance enemy will drop gold when hit)
- equip Sun Keeper for me & my templar (extra MF to make up for low mp)
- ToTD (with existing PR on my gears .. now i hv +37 PR which vacuums every gold that appear on my skrin lolz)

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Did a couple speed run on Inferno Act3 mp0 (core, tower damned 1, crater 2, tower cursed 1, field of slaughter, keep 2 & 3)
Time taken = 12-15 mins
XP per run = 9.5-10 million
Gold per run = 175k - 200k
Approximately 40m xp & 800k gold per hour which is not bad at all for a speed run on mp0 with high xp, good chance of item drops (356%MF@5NV) & huge gold income (375%GF@5NV .. piles of 3k gold litter my screen)
Now to grind 100hrs to get 80m so that i can buy a signet biggrin.gif

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post Dec 14 2012, 09:37 AM

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99.5k dps now. Any sifus can look at my WD profile and make some comments?

Current grouses:
- MH weapon no LS, which item can give LS?
- low AR, keep losing life in chunks in higher MP
- should I stick to Zuni set (left pox and boots) or switch to others?

I think I should switch to spined dart to gain mana (high procs as well for Loh). Gain mana and gain life

For zdogs, is it better to use life link or leeching beasts?

Any recommendation on passives for higher MP? Spirit vessel, then 2 others still undecided

Thank you all sifus!
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Dec 14 2012, 09:37 AM)
99.5k dps now. Any sifus can look at my WD profile and make some comments?

Current grouses:
- MH weapon no LS, which item can give LS?
- low AR, keep losing life in chunks in higher MP
- should I stick to Zuni set (left pox and boots) or switch to others?

I think I should switch to spined dart to gain mana (high procs as well for Loh). Gain mana and gain life

For zdogs, is it better to use life link or leeching beasts?

Any recommendation on passives for higher MP? Spirit vessel, then 2 others still undecided

Thank you all sifus!
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The way i see it and from own playing experience:
2 options.. 5% LS or more using Skorn (high crit dmg + added dmg from Bleed) will make life easier handling even RD mobs in high MP games (mp 7 & above) .. u also need at least 40-50k HP with 600 n above AR .. since u lose mana regen from wpn & mojo if u opt for Skorn ... +20 mana from zuni set + 2 passives (Blood Ritual & Spiritual Attunement) to ensure u wont go OOM and able to spam Bears continuously (able to stay in middle of fight leeching back life at a good rate .. reposition only against arcane sentry). PD/Spine Dart will help as well getting back mana fast in situation facing tough mobs (RD/Extra Life@Sheilding Phasebeasts for example)
Another option is 3%LS Carving Knife (with high CHD &/@ Open Socket) .. Manajuma Set will ensure u r surrounded by poison so get Bad Medicine passive that will ensure u always get less 20% dmg. However 3% LS is not quite enough to mitigate RD on higher mp apart from BM passive u need a high armor (4k or more), high AR (600 or more) with higher physical resist (700 or more) .. u also have to manage mana better as Carving Knife hv higher AS so u will tend to run out of mana faster when spamming Bears as compared to using Skorn. (getting bear reduction gear will help)

Once i hit 100k dps n more .. LS will shine better than LoH so if u alrdy hv LS u can start reducing LoH on ur gears... personally i only hv 200+ LoH from Unity ring just to help out when spamming AR in emergency cases to get back health fast.

Life link is better imho bcos it reduces dmg to u (even if ur zdog dies faster u can recast) .. leeching beast is better if u plan to use Sacrifice bcos u dont want ur dog to die 1 by 1 b4 u can use Sac.

Passive for higher MP: SV is a must .. other 2 depending on ur gear n build setup.

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post Dec 14 2012, 12:18 PM

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Thanks Gecko for the insightful info

Basing on your suggestions, I'm leaning towards Skorn with LS. I've got a friend using 2h build but gets OOM fast. He uses SW with mana regen rune

I guess I need to do 2 builds. One for lower MP for fast pickup with TotD and another for higher MP to dish out dmg

A quick check in diabloprogress.com show that another option is to use a black damage 1h and high dmg & cc ukh serpent

My next upgrade should be:
- Buy Skorn with LS to test out
- Craft better HF ring for low MP farming
- get WH with AR (current belt 180+ int with 80 AR)
- upgrade gloves to difecta with AR (current 190 int 80 vit 10cc)
- upgrade VW to high vit
- upgrade bracers to difecta
- replace Jousting pants with Inna pants
- upgrade gems

Phew!
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Maybe your fren hv too much ias gear (i only hv ias from WH since i alrdy ditched lacuni) @ didnt use the passives to reduce/regen mana. I rarely go OOM unless i press down attack for Bears (faster output of bears). WHat i actually do is i use fast tap (i put Bears on skill 1) while pressing down on left click (PD/SD) so my attack sequence is: when i tap skill 1. Bears are released then right after PD/SD attack (since i keep left click pressed). Alternating between these 2 attacks is what keeps my mana pool at high lvl. I only let go of left click when theres only 1 target left @ when SW is up (HG rune regens back my mana). Give it a try and u will see what i mean.

I highly suggest for future gear upgrades u try n get pickup radius on each gear u can (i upgraded my Trail, Marrow & Ward with pickup radius so i dont need ToTD even when i do farming on low lvl).

If u do go for LS Skorn .. u can focus getting max Crit Chance on your rings/ammy since Skorn alrdy provide u with vry high CHD (ofc getting more CHD will help but at a higher cost). Stay away from ias and get avg dmg instead as it will boost ur "real" dps more. I assure u will see higher dmg output (even for white dmg, min roll) but the icing on the cake is when u crit ... u see yellow numbers with HUGE figures (this is what makes LS shine bcos u get so much health back from crits).

Yeah, "black" weapon + Ukh will work as well (u can see lots of top WD on diabloprogress with such setup). Either a high end EF @ a high dps rare ceremonial knife (i personally prefer this as it will help with mana regen so u can opt for other passives). However dont be fooled by gears equpped by top WD in diabloprogress as they are "padding up" their dps to get high ranking ... i dont think they use that setup for farming etc (high dps & no LS will get u killed in an instant in high mp games lolz)

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metalfreak, i no mind bring u fast lvling ur WD... tongue.gif
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Thanks bro! but hor...Kena unlock my account first. kena lock when I tried to purchase heart of the swarm sad.gif suspicious log in from another location. I have a feeling my CD KEY is back at my house in Puchong.(I'm at PJ now).


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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Dec 14 2012, 02:54 PM)
Thanks bro! but hor...Kena unlock my account first. kena lock when I tried to purchase heart of the swarm  sad.gif suspicious log in from another location. I have a feeling my CD KEY is back at my house in Puchong.(I'm at PJ now).
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and remark ur nick so i know is u...

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no problem... just add me @ HenryLow#1152

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My D3 ladies(Wiz, Monk, and WD) have to wait muahahaha
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Dec 14 2012, 04:25 PM)
Alright bro. but won't be playing this weekend. Got wedding shoot to do kat Malacca tongue.gif monday.

My D3 ladies(Wiz, Monk, and WD) have to wait muahahaha
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no problem... i like to see the lvl up animation... LOL
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 14 2012, 04:52 PM)
no problem... i like to see the lvl up animation... LOL
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 14 2012, 11:17 AM)
Once i hit 100k dps n more .. LS will shine better than LoH so if u alrdy hv LS u can start reducing LoH on ur gears... personally i only hv 200+ LoH from Unity ring just to help out when spamming AR in emergency cases to get back health fast.
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About this, for WD, it depends on what kind of skills you use.
If you use acid rain & RoT, you will be killed with LS (i.e. Ghom).
If you use bears and C4 dogs, your HP will be restored fast.

It depends on your build.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 15 2012, 04:46 PM)
About this, for WD, it depends on what kind of skills you use.
If you use acid rain & RoT, you will be killed with LS.
If you use bears and C4 dogs, your HP will be restored fast.

It depends on your build.
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Obviously i am using Bears for higher mp games biggrin.gif i dont think Acid Rain can kill RD packs fast enough on mp6-10.
I do hv a minimal amount of LoH just to spam Acid Rain when i need to replenish my health fast. However i hv to say dat even LS does gain a considerable amount of health when using Acid Rain especially when u crit (refer to my screenshor few pages back.. during my speed run, 1 Acid Rain attack on a pack of scorpion packs produces 10 crits averaging 200k each .. which totals up to approximately 2m dmg)
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hi, just got my WD to lvl 60. ungeared, but the only thing i had is skorn with ls. my question is, what setup/skills is most effective against elite and uber? coz when i played with poison dart, the mob kill me faster den me regaining my hp, my zombie dogs and garan doesnt seem strong also.. and if no crit, i would dief fast.
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U can't use skorn for poison dart... U need IAS for poison dart for machine gun effects.
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QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 15 2012, 07:29 PM)
hi, just got my WD to lvl 60. ungeared, but the only thing i had is skorn with ls. my question is, what setup/skills is most effective against elite and uber? coz when i played with poison dart, the mob kill me faster den me regaining my hp, my zombie dogs and garan doesnt seem strong also.. and if no crit, i would dief fast.
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u hv to noe ur objective:
farm which mp?
what dps?
what ehp?
what mana regen?

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Man I fell asleep leveling my WD.. Moves too slow and all in all, it feels slow.
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QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 15 2012, 07:29 PM)
hi, just got my WD to lvl 60. ungeared, but the only thing i had is skorn with ls. my question is, what setup/skills is most effective against elite and uber? coz when i played with poison dart, the mob kill me faster den me regaining my hp, my zombie dogs and garan doesnt seem strong also.. and if no crit, i would dief fast.
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Try using RoT (Rain of Toad) instead bcos RoT hv no travel time (wont be affected so much by low as of Skorn) plus RoT is a DoT type attack (Damage over Time) which stacks and if ur Skorn hv Bleed% it will work well with RoT. If u plan to gain back hp from LS of Skorn, use Zombie Bears as it is deals most damage (more damage = more life leeched)

QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 15 2012, 09:19 PM)
Man I fell asleep leveling my WD.. Moves too slow and all in all, it feels slow.
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24% MS + Spirit Walk/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker still move too slow?
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Well but u can't spam that what.. I can spam vault and now I switch to WD, I feel like is slow.. Hmm...
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 15 2012, 09:19 PM)
Man I fell asleep leveling my WD.. Moves too slow and all in all, it feels slow.
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That's why my WD still in a2 inferno. The rest all kicked diabloooo's butt.
24%ms + sw and I still think that he move like turtle.
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post Dec 16 2012, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 15 2012, 11:47 PM)
Well but u can't spam that what.. I can spam vault and now I switch to WD, I feel like is slow.. Hmm...
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Yes u can ... using Grave Injustice passive ... i can Jaunt+Stalker to one pack and kill it fast using Acid Rain then GI will reduce CD on SW & Horrify so i can use it again to proceed to next pack ... plus i can still attack in SW mode when i encounter mobs along the way ... i cant attack while in vault mode biggrin.gif
I speed farm using both my WD & DH (both having more or less same dps 110k) .. my WD clearly took 3-5 mins less time to do similar speed farm route .. not to mention the pickup radius on my WD is so huge that i dont need to move close to any pile of gold to pick it up biggrin.gif Acid Rain AoE is wayyyyyy bigger than BL too

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 16 2012, 12:45 AM)
Yes u can ... using Grave Injustice passive ... i can Jaunt+Stalker to one pack and kill it fast using Acid Rain then GI will reduce CD on SW & Horrify so i can use it again to proceed to next pack ... plus i can still attack in SW mode when i encounter mobs along the way ... i cant attack while in vault mode  biggrin.gif
I speed farm using both my WD & DH (both having more or less same dps 110k) .. my WD clearly took 3-5 mins less time to do similar speed farm route .. not to mention the pickup radius on my WD is so huge that i dont need to move close to any pile of gold to pick it up  biggrin.gif Acid Rain AoE is wayyyyyy bigger than BL too
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Huh? BL AOE > Acid Rain AOE man. BL travels and u're covering more ground with it.

but yeah the rest sounds good. Will give it a try when i get some energy to level it.

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Travel is the key word bro ... AR dont need to travel lolz ... u see 1 pack of mobs u click on it .. instant kill haha ... Acid Rain has AoE of 24 yard, meaning 1 whole pack of scorpions or skellies in Keep will be hit by it whereas BL hits any mobs within its path .. i dont think 1 BL can hit every scorpions in a huge pack. Give it a try and see if i'm wrong.
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 16 2012, 01:04 AM)
Travel is the key word bro ... AR dont need to travel lolz ... u see 1 pack of mobs u click on it .. instant kill haha ... Acid Rain has AoE of 24 yard, meaning 1 whole pack of scorpions or skellies in Keep will be hit by it whereas BL hits any mobs within its path .. i dont think 1 BL can hit every scorpions in a huge pack. Give it a try and see if i'm wrong.
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BL can hit. I'm pretty sure the AOE of BL is greater and it covers more ground as well. So in other words, is easier and nicer to farm with BL.

Besides that, out of all the 5 classes, WD is undeniably the slowest. Is sad cuz is a nice class to play but just too slow.
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 16 2012, 01:09 AM)
BL can hit. I'm pretty sure the AOE of BL is greater and it covers more ground as well. So in other words, is easier and nicer to farm with BL.

Besides that, out of all the 5 classes, WD is undeniably the slowest. Is sad cuz is a nice class to play but just too slow.
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I would love to see a screenshot of just ONE BL hitting ALL scorpions in a pack (as per my screenshot of 1 Acid Rain hitting all scorpions with 10 crits in my previous post few pages back).
Yeah i do agree WD MS feels much slower in game but in party play with the same MS i dont see my WD being left behind while running along side other classes (no other MS skills used by all party mbrs)
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 16 2012, 02:12 AM)
I would love to see a screenshot of just ONE BL hitting ALL scorpions in a pack (as per my screenshot of 1 Acid Rain hitting all scorpions with 10 crits in my previous post few pages back).
Yeah i do agree WD MS feels much slower in game but in party play with the same MS i dont see my WD being left behind while running along side other classes (no other MS skills used by all party mbrs)
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How can you compare one BL to one acid rain? Is like comparing cluster arrows or impale with rain of toads. Mismatch.

The magic of BL: press move button -> repeatedly right click (spam BL) -> whole pack wiped out. You get to move and hit at the same time. But again, this is a DPS thing.

Well, in parties people tend to stick. I'm pretty sure if is a farming contest, the WD class will finish last or second last. This is sad cuz i really liked the class but just felt being dragged back the play style.
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 16 2012, 02:28 AM)
How can you compare one BL to one acid rain? Is like comparing cluster arrows or impale with rain of toads. Mismatch.

The magic of BL: press move button -> repeatedly right click (spam BL) -> whole pack wiped out. You get to move and hit at the same time. But again, this is a DPS thing.

Well, in parties people tend to stick. I'm pretty sure if is a farming contest, the WD class will finish last or second last. This is sad cuz i really liked the class but just felt being dragged back the play style.
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I am not comparing the 2 attacks .. just trying to prove the point u made earlier that BL has larger AoE than AR tongue.gif
I know the magic of BL as i also play a DH ... but comparing the time taken to clear such pack when im playing both WD & DH i hv to say 1 click of AR takes less time than few clicks of BL .. and if u say BL attacks can be done with stutter move, AR attacks can also be done while moving in SW mode (not even breaking the fast MS of SW mode).
I urge u to try out speed farm on low mp (depending on your WD dps .. mp0-2) using Acid Rain attacks, Circle of Life + Sacrifice combo (to ensure healthy mana pool & elite pack killer) & fast movement speed of Jaunt + Stalker ... after u hv personally tried it out ... let me know if u still think WD class is a slow xp farmer biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 16 2012, 02:40 AM)
I am not comparing the 2 attacks .. just trying to prove the point u made earlier that BL has larger AoE than AR  tongue.gif
I know the magic of BL as i also play a DH ... but comparing the time taken to clear such pack when im playing both WD & DH i hv to say 1 click of AR takes less time than few clicks of BL .. and if u say BL attacks can be done with stutter move, AR attacks can also be done while moving in SW mode (not even breaking the fast MS of SW mode).
I urge u to try out speed farm on low mp (depending on your WD dps .. mp0-2) using Acid Rain attacks, Circle of Life + Sacrifice combo (to ensure healthy mana pool & elite pack killer) & fast movement speed of Jaunt + Stalker ... after u hv personally tried it out ... let me know if u still think WD class is a slow xp farmer  biggrin.gif
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1 click of AR and few clicks of BL for you but you need to realize that 3 clicks of BL for a DH with high AS is nothing. Okay that's not that important actually cuz one class wants AS and the other doesn't want AS.

I don't doubt the elite/mobs melting capability of WD. Heck, i chose to play it cuz i've seen the damage output of WD with my own eyes. My problem is, the class just moves too slow for my liking.
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 16 2012, 02:46 AM)
1 click of AR and few clicks of BL for you but you need to realize that 3 clicks of BL for a DH with high AS is nothing. Okay that's not that important actually cuz one class wants AS and the other doesn't want AS.

I don't doubt the elite/mobs melting capability of WD. Heck, i chose to play it cuz i've seen the damage output of WD with my own eyes. My problem is, the class just moves too slow for my liking.
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First of all ... without a shadow of a doubt .. different classes have different playstyle, build & gear setup .. heck even with similar build/gear, 2 person can have different ways of handling their toons and efficiency (in terms of fast fingers, control of mouse, keyboard etc).
Bear in mind that the facts i am about to post are solely based on my own capabilities of playing this game .. without being bias to any classes of toons i have created .. i develop my own ways of handling them.

My WD: 1.17 attack speed, 41% CC + 6% CC for AR, 370% CHD
My DH: 2.53 attack speed (im a Calamity user), 54.5% CC, 253% CHD
Both toons hv almost the same dps: 11xk

Reasons why i stated earlier my WD farms 3-4mins faster than my DH on same speed xp farming route:
- to clear 1 huge pack of white mobs my DH spams few BL then vault to next target while my WD just need to click AR once then press SW/Horrify to next pack(within that 3 sec of SW mode i will get to next pack & if along the way i encounter any small numbered mobs i can still attack using AR without breaking the SW mode). Time taken for each toon to perform the task is more or less the same BUT with my WD i need to do fewer clicks.
- dealing with Elite packs however my DH outperforms my WD in terms of having to kite or worry about any ranged attacks (such as mortars) solely bcos of Gloom. My DH can stay in close range and take out Elite packs either using Spike Trap/Echoing Blast @ Cluster/LfB while my WD needs to be more wary of the surroundings and stay at a safe distance while spamming AR (until almost out of mana) while waiting for zdogs to hug the elite packs for me to use Sacrifice (huge damage + get back mana). In situation whereby there's arcane sentry or descrator pool etc both toons needs to reposition .. DH using vault & WD using SW.

So all in all .. it sums up to my WD edges my DH for few reasons: less clicks done (less time), better MS (using Grave Injustice i can 90% of the time chain combo SW/Horrify) .. if i vault too much using my DH i will run out of Disc and get into some difficulties if i end up facing a tough elite pack. But my main reason of choosing my WD over my DH for speed farming is bcos of the pickup radius .. i end up with more gold with less effort taken to get close n collect them. Dont get me wrong .. but i enjoy playing my DH immensely .. especially in coop games. But to say WD is a class that farms slow is a misconception perhaps due to hearsay @ just info read in forum without having trying it out and exploring various skills n combos WD has to offer.

With regards to MS ... like i said b4, i do feel (especially when playing solo game) as if my WD moves slower than my other toons. However i do believe 24% MS for each character equates to same movement speed in game. Unless there's a blue post thsst proves otherwise (i.e WD class suffer from MS penalty), i firmly believe that each class move at the same speed/rate (only feels slower bcos of the different animation of each class).

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Well, DH that speed farms uses vault: tumble + TA. So that's why i get the feel WD is moving slower.

But yeah, at the end of the day. It all boils down to your gears because they determine how fast you clear mobs.

You mention that you are using GI with the 20 yard radius on the frog to non stop SW right? well, i'm using 13 yard pick up radius with vengeance passive to vault:tumble as much as i can. (I have 50 disc).

But yeah, your WD probably have better gears than your DH and my DH have better gears than my WD.

Conclusion: We just wasted our time arguing nonsense. Haha.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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Lolz .. thats the obvious fact bro .. ofc u wont face much problems as i do using your godly geared DH tongue.gif i hv low disc pool on my DH so thats why i hv to be very careful when vaulting around. Btw i dont use frog since i'm using Skorn but i still hv a total of +21 PR on my WD from other gears ( PR is a must for any WD build bcos lots of WD skills depend on PR .. so sad dat WD dont get any perks from crits sad.gif )

Anyways i did omit/cheat biggrin.gif the fact altho My WD n DH hv same dps, at times (50% of the time) my WD dps is boosted by Gruesome Feast & Soul Harvest tongue.gif haha ... my intel can go from 27xx to 5xxx and dps from 11xk to 19x k max lolz.

Conclusion ... if properly equipped & choose the right skill set .. ANY character can farm pretty well. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 16 2012, 09:36 AM

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it is normal to feel that the 2nd character we build other than the main character we heavily invested is weaker/slower

i have a main WD and a for fun babarian

for WD i hv invested at least 80m from the first day of d3
but for babarian i invested less than 3m tongue.gif

end up i nvr want to level up my babarian cox i feel my fury always nvr enuf.. hp always not enuf.. kill mob alot slower.. no fury means cant run like a wind..

co-op with babarian >
can catch up his ms (surprisingly with spirit walk+stalker horrify)
can melt all the mob with zombie bears even b4 he arrive.. no mob means cant generate fury.. but WD can regen mana

co-op with DH+Babarian to uber (mp8)
i just switch my amulet to one with 900loh, skill to toad of rain+acid rain+bad medicine+jungle fortitude+warcry from babarian
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when we meet normal elite, I just stand there and cast skill, not even move a single inch, babarian can spin here and there, can tank as well, DH hv to run here and there...i see him also very tired...lol

when we meet dangerous elite, babarian have run back abit, DH still the same
what i just do is stand there, then used up my spirit vessel, horrify, spirit walk, resummon pets to tank, means can stand there forever as i can recover full hp in 3sec, by then all my survival skill already finish cd

WD can recover full hp in 3sec with high loh>> i guess no other classes can do that
WD can dish zombie bear 3x236%=708% dmg in 1 shot > i guess no other classes can do that

of cox there r alot of things WD weak at..
compared to melee class > dun hv the 30% dmg reduction melee classes enjoy but zombie bear WD hv to spam the skill as close as melee
compared to range class > DH can pump dps much more ecier than WD, considering the manticore+dead man leagacy combo, wizard i am not familiar so no comment.. but i heard their on hit resource generating skills is more efficient than WD one

Conclusion: still proud with WD thumbup.gif
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post Dec 17 2012, 09:37 AM

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finally plvl65...

but gosh gecko alr plvl75 i think...

gambatte... all wd pros...

we really need a plvl 100 wd.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 17 2012, 09:37 AM)
finally plvl65...

but gosh gecko alr plvl75 i think...

gambatte... all wd pros...

we really need a plvl 100 wd.... smile.gif
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I'm not quite plvl75 yet tongue.gif still 74 halfway to 75 biggrin.gif
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quite busy still can 75 ><

Baru 56 only... Anyway get a nice Hellfire Ring XD

All in all, I think WD is a nice farming char cuz of the Pickup Radius bonus from ToTD lol...

I created a DH for fun... and I feel weird where I cant instand kill with 1 or 2 click lol... and I tend to rush my DH to the middle of the pack and realize oh shit.... you get what i mean XD
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 17 2012, 11:54 AM)
quite busy still can 75 ><

Baru 56 only... Anyway get a nice Hellfire Ring XD

All in all, I think WD is a nice farming char cuz of the Pickup Radius bonus from ToTD lol...

I created a DH for fun... and I feel weird where I cant instand kill with 1 or 2 click lol... and I tend to rush my DH to the middle of the pack and realize oh shit.... you get what i mean XD
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haha fast n efficient para leveling is the key biggrin.gif i switched from doing purely xp run using hf ring + cain full set to item + gf + xp run equipping sun keeper + goldskin since i needed the gold for some upgrades. Went from 2m gold to 20m gold in 3 days lolz. My gf/xp/item speed runs nets me 800k gold + 40m xp per hour on average.

I got a pvl55 DH too so i know what u meant .. DH cant rush in and demolish everything using bears like WD does tongue.gif Instead hv to clear huge mobs from a distance using Ball Lightning .. my DH however can facetank most elites with perma-gloom using Bola Shoot/Thunder Ball to stun target on a spot where i plant stacks of Spike Traps/Echoing Blast... same thing with my WD who can stay in middle of pack and spam Bears while leeching lots of health back from crits. Its fun to play a range character that can tank while watching other melee run around or spin non stop lolz. biggrin.gif

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plan to get a gold skin and some farming gear as ur comment to try...

then i see my stash no place put... then lazy liao lol continue in MP4 haha I see now my char can most probably drop an Elite under 2 to 5 seconds damn satisfied lol

dont mentioned about kena trap with Fire Skill (Any) + Arcane + Wall (sure die regardless of your build lol)

only worried now is Extra Health + RD on Hulkbeast and Tremor zzzz
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solo lvling really boring man...

ok la now i feel to build my wiz liao...

found a very good skill and gear build...

may try later...

and i don think i can change any gears on my wd liao...

low gold... sad.gif
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 17 2012, 12:18 PM)
plan to get a gold skin and some farming gear as ur comment to try...

then i see my stash no place put... then lazy liao lol continue in MP4 haha I see now my char can most probably drop an Elite under 2 to 5 seconds damn satisfied lol

dont mentioned about kena trap with Fire Skill (Any) + Arcane + Wall (sure die regardless of your build lol)

only worried now is Extra Health + RD on Hulkbeast and Tremor zzzz
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Haha ikr ... hate wallers with arcane just as much as arcane + vortex (only RoT helps when walled) ... however my latest hated affix is RD/molten/fast/MINIONS .. !@#$%^ minions takes so much damage that what they reflect back kills me in few shot regardless of high LS i hv.. had to resort to hitting them in SW mode to stay alive lolz tongue.gif
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exactly... RD is ok... depending on how they pair up with other skill and mob...

if fast is still ok on big monster... but when fast RD with small mob is more annoying than difficult ><
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Overall, RD is still okay. Usually I just Spirit Walk + Jaunt and spam bears to bring them down fast. When SW gone, I keep spamming until my life goes less than 50% then use potion. They should be dead by now. Else, I would run lol ~ then rinse and repeat.

The only downfall is I didnt realize that they are RD monster and I die spamming bears. FML. @.@
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most headache RD is on the phasebeast pack with fast/horde+extra health/shield..

high chance to die for me sad.gif

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lol find a party and farm not for tank but for flag when u died XD
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95% of the time I am farming solo ~ lol ~ I hate it very very much when I die. Crap shit I have to walk all the way back .... >< How I wish I could use SW like Barb's sprint all the way lol tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Ruidon @ Dec 18 2012, 02:28 PM)
95% of the time I am farming solo ~ lol ~ I hate it very very much when I die. Crap shit I have to walk all the way back .... >< How I wish I could use SW like Barb's sprint all the way lol tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Ruidon @ Dec 18 2012, 02:28 PM)
95% of the time I am farming solo ~ lol ~ I hate it very very much when I die. Crap shit I have to walk all the way back .... >< How I wish I could use SW like Barb's sprint all the way lol tongue.gif
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Altho barb's sprint doesnt require cooldown it still needs Fury .. no mobs = no fury generation (unless using full IK set), likewise WD SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker gives the most MS but hv cooldown .. if there's still mobs to kill the cooldown can be reduced by using Grave Injustice passive. On lower mp speed farming, i can chain combo Jaunt/Stalker most of the time reducing farming time greatly while 1-shotting any mobs using Acid Rain.

I believe WD hv the most survival skill out of all characters. As yuhhaur pointed out, Spirit Vessel passive gives u a second set of life (u will nvr get 1-shot) plus u hv SW to get out of trouble fast not to mention other crowd control skills such as Paranoia, Hex, Horrify.

My current "oh-shit" affix on mobs during high mp key runs (mp6-8) nowadays are rd/fast/molten/MINIONS .. so damn irritating lolz (Blizz pls fix RD on Minions ASAP).. waller/frozen/arcane/vortex combo comes in a close second haha.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 18 2012, 03:18 PM)
Altho barb's sprint doesnt require cooldown it still needs Fury .. no mobs = no fury generation (unless using full IK set), likewise WD SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker gives the most MS but hv cooldown .. if there's still mobs to kill the cooldown can be reduced by using Grave Injustice passive. On lower mp speed farming, i can chain combo Jaunt/Stalker most of the time reducing farming time greatly while 1-shotting any mobs using Acid Rain.

I believe WD hv the most survival skill out of all characters. As yuhhaur pointed out, Spirit Vessel passive gives u a second set of life (u will nvr get 1-shot) plus u hv SW to get out of trouble fast not to mention other crowd control skills such as Paranoia, Hex, Horrify.

My current "oh-shit" affix on mobs during high mp key runs (mp6-8) nowadays are rd/fast/molten/MINIONS .. so damn irritating lolz (Blizz pls fix RD on Minions ASAP).. waller/frozen/arcane/vortex combo comes in a close second haha.
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Dec 18 2012, 02:42 PM)
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 18 2012, 03:18 PM)
Altho barb's sprint doesnt require cooldown it still needs Fury .. no mobs = no fury generation (unless using full IK set), likewise WD SW/Jaunt + Horrify/Stalker gives the most MS but hv cooldown .. if there's still mobs to kill the cooldown can be reduced by using Grave Injustice passive. On lower mp speed farming, i can chain combo Jaunt/Stalker most of the time reducing farming time greatly while 1-shotting any mobs using Acid Rain.

I believe WD hv the most survival skill out of all characters. As yuhhaur pointed out, Spirit Vessel passive gives u a second set of life (u will nvr get 1-shot) plus u hv SW to get out of trouble fast not to mention other crowd control skills such as Paranoia, Hex, Horrify.

My current "oh-shit" affix on mobs during high mp key runs (mp6-8) nowadays are rd/fast/molten/MINIONS .. so damn irritating lolz (Blizz pls fix RD on Minions ASAP).. waller/frozen/arcane/vortex combo comes in a close second haha.
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Can't beat vault: tumble + TA.

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lol bro cant resist can u biggrin.gif tongue.gif
tbh if u read clearly i wrote down MS as in movement speed .. vault/tumble is not MS (same case as barb's Leap) .. TA after it gives the added MS
MOST is not BEST lolz .. most as in a lot/more than 1 skills ... i do agree Gloom is the best but it still cant beat perma WoTB haha tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 18 2012, 03:30 PM)
lol bro cant resist can u  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif
tbh if u read clearly i wrote down MS as in movement speed .. vault/tumble is not MS .. TA after it gives the added MS
MOST is not BEST lolz .. most as in a lot/more than 1 skills ... i do agree Gloom is the best but it still cant beat perma WoTB haha  tongue.gif
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you move from point A to point B, i vault from point A to point B. which is faster? TA is icing on the cake.

Yeah most is not the best but i prefer to have the best than a few that is okay. But yeah, WD has the most survivability skills.

perma WOTB is broken cuz CC immunity? lol..

p.s: and yeah, just can't resist it. Reading journals are boring. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ruidon @ Dec 18 2012, 03:25 PM)
Yupppp ~ always have second life ready ~ haha But sometimes also die instantly even when Spirit Vessel is still on. ><


Added on December 18, 2012, 3:29 pm
Agreed. No mobs = no fury. That's what i hate about barb the most. But still Can find items to hit like crates. haha ~ I am farming MP 1. solely for leveling purposes. I use Jaunt/Zombie Bears and repeat. Most of the time still running fast all except large area map above bridge of Korsikk. ><
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imho Bears is overkill for mp1 (ofc depending on your current gears n dps oso) .. personally i find Acid Rain large AoE to be better and gives more dmg total for huge packs.
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Best survival skill goes to Shadow Power: Gloom.
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please elaborate more


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you move from point A to point B, i vault from point A to point B. which is faster? TA is icing on the cake.

Yeah most is not the best but i prefer to have the best than a few that is okay. But yeah, WD has the most survivability skills.

perma WOTB is broken cuz CC immunity? lol..

p.s: and yeah, just can't resist it. Reading journals are boring.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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how many times you can vault before running out of disc if either cooldown or no mob are present?



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please elaborate more


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how many times you can vault before running out of disc if either cooldown or no mob are present?
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35% damage reduction + 15% LS for 5 seconds. What else is there to elaborate?


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how many times you can vault before running out of disc if either cooldown or no mob are present?
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I have 50 Disc. I have yet to vault myself till my Disc runs dry.

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DH TOPIC: Actually I am curious, why DH don't take LS/LoH into their weapon? To my own understanding whatever class it is the LS/LoH shall be taken into account when getting gears. Because of you can perma-spam gloom means no need the LS on weapon?

What if I want to get rid of gloom and get perma LS on weapon?


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Actually since after I powered up my WD to around 70K dps, I started to get frustrated when I learned that skill are quite IMBA comparing the clases.

Barb and Monk personally already have damage reduction 30%
Monk even have the OWE passive skill and Mantra
DH already have those non cooldown evasive and LS skill and passive even have inrease damage and def skill (eg Archery and another 10% of something cant remember what skill name) and what make DH better they have separate mana pool Hatred and Discipline, and got instant regen skill
Wizard have Armor Skill and Freezing (in my opinion maybe second worse after WD) but at least no mana issue and attack got chance to increase back arcane pool (please correct me if I am wrong)

What really WD have that can be boost at?
Bear is nice but really big mana consumption
Voodoo is nice but look at the Cool Down
Passive is good but all comes with CONS (eg POV increase mana consumption 30%, GI and GF all Radius dependency causing you to force 1 magic attribute in armor to fully utilize it)

So what I trying to say is, just dont compare across classes... when people saying something that char better this char better... oh well...
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 18 2012, 04:00 PM)
Actually since after I powered up my WD to around 70K dps, I started to get frustrated when I learned that skill are quite IMBA comparing the clases.

Barb and Monk personally already have damage reduction 30%
Monk even have the OWE passive skill and Mantra
DH already have those non cooldown evasive and LS skill and passive even have inrease damage and def skill (eg Archery and another 10% of something cant remember what skill name) and what make DH better they have separate mana pool Hatred and Discipline, and got instant regen skill
Wizard have Armor Skill and Freezing (in my opinion maybe second worse after WD) but at least no mana issue and attack got chance to increase back arcane pool (please correct me if I am wrong)

What really WD have that can be boost at?
Bear is nice but really big mana consumption
Voodoo is nice but look at the Cool Down
Passive is good but all comes with CONS (eg POV increase mana consumption 30%, GI and GF all Radius dependency causing you to force 1 magic attribute in armor to fully utilize it)

So what I trying to say is, just dont compare across classes... when people saying something that char better this char better... oh well...
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^ nah.... ignore it... my personal frustration after sometimes finding a place to let go lol...
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 18 2012, 04:00 PM)
Actually since after I powered up my WD to around 70K dps, I started to get frustrated when I learned that skill are quite IMBA comparing the clases.

Barb and Monk personally already have damage reduction 30%
Monk even have the OWE passive skill and Mantra
DH already have those non cooldown evasive and LS skill and passive even have inrease damage and def skill (eg Archery and another 10% of something cant remember what skill name) and what make DH better they have separate mana pool Hatred and Discipline, and got instant regen skill
Wizard have Armor Skill and Freezing (in my opinion maybe second worse after WD) but at least no mana issue and attack got chance to increase back arcane pool (please correct me if I am wrong)

What really WD have that can be boost at?
Bear is nice but really big mana consumption
Voodoo is nice but look at the Cool Down
Passive is good but all comes with CONS (eg POV increase mana consumption 30%, GI and GF all Radius dependency causing you to force 1 magic attribute in armor to fully utilize it)

So what I trying to say is, just dont compare across classes... when people saying something that char better this char better... oh well...
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I feel your frustration.

On "paper" DPS, my Zulu has 164K DPS against elites.
Look decent on paper but it is damn poor in actual test.
http://d3up.com/b/200673#skills

You can check on the how fast can you kill Ghom thread.
Honestly speaking Blizzard really need to buff WD (the attack speed of our zombie pets need to increase by at least 100%, IMO).

2 things that i found.
Firstly, the attack speed of the zombie dogs and gargantuan is too slow. Way too slow as compared to Barb/Monk/Wiz tornadoes/cyclones/twisters. i.e. our zombie dogs only dished out 1 bite while other heroes already dished out 4-5 hits.
Secondly, there is no damage buff on the active skills.

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 18 2012, 04:00 PM)
Actually since after I powered up my WD to around 70K dps, I started to get frustrated when I learned that skill are quite IMBA comparing the clases.

Barb and Monk personally already have damage reduction 30%
Monk even have the OWE passive skill and Mantra
DH already have those non cooldown evasive and LS skill and passive even have inrease damage and def skill (eg Archery and another 10% of something cant remember what skill name) and what make DH better they have separate mana pool Hatred and Discipline, and got instant regen skill
Wizard have Armor Skill and Freezing (in my opinion maybe second worse after WD) but at least no mana issue and attack got chance to increase back arcane pool (please correct me if I am wrong)

What really WD have that can be boost at?
Bear is nice but really big mana consumption
Voodoo is nice but look at the Cool Down
Passive is good but all comes with CONS (eg POV increase mana consumption 30%, GI and GF all Radius dependency causing you to force 1 magic attribute in armor to fully utilize it)

So what I trying to say is, just dont compare across classes... when people saying something that char better this char better... oh well...
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WD got 2 life. This is essential back in 1.0.2/1.0.3 times where nobody are capable to finished inferno and WD can carry ppl that time.
I got carried by WD (remember brother DrLaboo?) back then when my monk was only 20k dps.
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aiks.. it is common secret that WD is a failed design from blizzard

blizzard keep toying around with WD skills but still yet to solve the resource generating system for WD

b4 this we still got 300% VQ.... now.. sigh~
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aiks.. it is common secret that WD is a failed design from blizzard

blizzard keep toying around with WD skills but still yet to solve the resource generating system for WD

b4 this we still got 300% VQ.... now.. sigh~
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The mana generation rate is fine for me.
Some skills are not meant to spam.

But what's lacking?
Gear... it is the gear.
Wiz can get fast arcane recovery whenever they have crit.
WD can't get fast mana recovery through crit chance.
Mana generation through gears are just too slow... as slow as the bite of zombie dogs.

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The real reason i enjoy playing my WD...

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all this from GF/SH combo .. how much gold u need to upgrade gear to get that much dps increase? biggrin.gif lolz
WD may not be the best character out there but its definately the cheapest to gear and still get high dps ... WD dmg is more skill dependant rather than gear dependant like other classes. Any new players with tight budget can roll a WD and farm efficiently rclxms.gif

For example a DH with high dmg Manticore but no ias from other gears is gimped but a WD with a high dmg Skorn without any ias gears still do considerable high dps due to 2 of its main attack (RoT & Acid rain) has no travel time so its not gimped by low attack speed, Getting high CC to use Acid Rain on low lvl speed farming also is cheap for a WD .. i got my Giyua (6% CC + 6%CC to Acid Cloud) for only 3.5m ... tell me which single item can give me 12% CC for that amount of gold with respect to other classes gear setup?

p/s: However when it comes to doing ubers where there are no mobs around to gain advantage of GF/SH, WD is at a disadvantage ... hv to focus more on survival skill passives while dishing lower dps ... WD play a more support role during ubers.

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Talk about 2 life, not sure about Barb

But Monk also got what.... just that they permanent sacrifice a slot for OWE
DH Gloom enough said for second life, no cool down, and instant regent and smoke and acrobat no cooldown, enough for second chance
Wiz got Archon although dono what is that but I think got certain other passive that can boost defense alot? Not sure didnt really look into Wiz skill

Carried is 1 of the WD skill, I mean WD is design to carried, else even worse... and that what party are for... well when you see at WD point of view, we are sacrificing 2 skill slot for Dog and Gargan you know, so pros cons is there

Mana regen rate actually is not fine, until you are highly gear... and instead of gearing up POWERLY with Zuni set, you need to depend on VQ which again waste another slot...

Nothing WD can be boost of except the ToTD 20 pickup radius but again, this is not the BIS so pros and cons
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 18 2012, 04:25 PM)
Talk about 2 life, not sure about Barb

But Monk also got what.... just that they permanent sacrifice a slot for OWE
DH Gloom enough said for second life, no cool down, and instant regent and smoke and acrobat no cooldown, enough for second chance
Wiz got Archon although dono what is that but I think got certain other passive that can boost defense alot? Not sure didnt really look into Wiz skill

Carried is 1 of the WD skill, I mean WD is design to carried, else even worse... and that what party are for... well when you see at WD point of view, we are sacrificing 2 skill slot for Dog and Gargan you know, so pros cons is there

Mana regen rate actually is not fine, until you are highly gear... and instead of gearing up POWERLY with Zuni set, you need to depend on VQ which again waste another slot...

Nothing WD can be boost of except the ToTD 20 pickup radius but again, this is not the BIS so pros and cons
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The gear is the problem.

Let me give you another example, full IK set gives Barb perma fury.
Full Zuni set doesn't give WD perma mana.
See the difference?

The attack speed of our zombie dogs is as fast as mystic ally of monk.
How many monks still use mystic ally? Ask them to check out the attack speed (of mystic ally)... they will "ptui" at that.

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^ oo....

I really dono about the IK set that give perm Fury...

Didnt really check cuz once i know the truth which already did... I will #$%^&* more lol...

And actually, out there I dont really think there are anyone give a S*** on WD hahaha

But frankly if you ask me what good about WD, I can only say the Bear and AR AOE largest and fastest...

But when you comparing with Monk, err Sweeping Wind? the 1 hit come out tornado 1.... you are like ooo ok....
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Of course is the gear's problem when you compare the WD gears to the BROKEN IK set.

The problem with WD is no matter how you want to put it, is just not as efficient as other class. Tweak this tweak that, u still won't be as quick as a WW barb or a DH. That's the fact.

i'm sorry blizzard messed up this class.
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The gear is the problem.

Let me give you another example, full IK set gives Barb perma fury.
Full Zuni set doesn't give WD perma mana.
See the difference?

The attack speed of our zombie dogs is as fast as mystic ally of monk.
How many monks still use mystic ally? Ask them to check out the attack speed (of mystic ally)... they will "ptui" at that.
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Ya lol....

Btw what is the reason you all choose WD? I mean for those Main Char is WD like me...

I get the game late, er late October or somewhere there where my friend already Inferno level 60.

I asked them you all dont have what class, they said WD ok i played then they quit 1@#$%&
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but WD is an interesting class.
the upgrades are also fairly cheap compared to other classes.

if not for my monk i would be playing WD already

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The real reason i enjoy playing my WD...

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all this from GF/SH combo .. how much gold u need to upgrade gear to get that much dps increase?  biggrin.gif  lolz
WD may not be the best character out there but its definately the cheapest to gear and still get high dps ... WD dmg is more skill dependant rather than gear dependant like other classes. Any new players with tight budget can roll a WD and farm efficiently  rclxms.gif

For example a DH with high dmg Manticore but no ias from other gears is gimped but a WD with a high dmg Skorn without any ias gears still do considerable high dps due to 2 of its main attack (RoT & Acid rain) has no travel time so its not gimped by low attack speed, Getting high CC to use Acid Rain on low lvl speed farming also is cheap for a WD .. i got my Giyua (6% CC + 6%CC to Acid Cloud) for only 3.5m ... tell me which single item can give me 12% CC for that amount of gold with respect to other classes gear setup?

p/s: However when it comes to doing ubers where there are no mobs around to gain advantage of GF/SH, WD is at a disadvantage ... hv to focus more on survival skill passives while dishing lower dps ... WD play a more support role during ubers.
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Nice DPS boost but the question is can you maintain it? If you can, then good for you.

Yeah it is indeed cheap cuz int gears are generally cheaper. But my two cents is if you're gonna depend on skills to get bonus damage then i think it won't be constant as there's always a chance you won't get the max. But again, i think i might be wrong here.

Well, DH needs AS but WD don't so can't compare here. Bro, u need to understand travel time or not a skill's casting animation is dependent on your AS. For example, how fast i lay traps depends on my AS. So, if u have more AS, u probably gonna cast AR faster.
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Well, I mained a WD too. To me, its rather fun to play with despite their slow hitting pets. But I am still in love with my gargantuan being able to tank or at least buy some time for me to run away.

IMHO, WD is more to like a "back-up" player if played in a team. I dont know but usually my team mates died and I will be the one running around trying to revive them during UBER runs. Maybe they are nubs but yeah, 3-seconds SW will enable to you revive anyone without disturbance. Just need to time it well.

Anyway, they can dish out reasonable damage, depending on gear as I am standing around 100k +/- without pierce the veil. Mana wise, I dont usually get drained unless its Extra Health mob in high MP. Just SW and run, alt tab, view FB, tab back after 10 seconds tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 18 2012, 04:35 PM)
Ya lol....

Btw what is the reason you all choose WD? I mean for those Main Char is WD like me...

I get the game late, er late October or somewhere there where my friend already Inferno level 60.

I asked them you all dont have what class, they said WD ok i played then they quit 1@#$%&
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Put it this way, WD can kill fast in MP0-MP5 (or MP6 if you have high DPS).
You won't notice shortcoming of WD in low MP.
Well, all heroes can kill fast in low MP anyway.

However, when it comes to high MP, you need more damage to kill fast, you need more mana, you need more attack speed to kill fast & life recovery, you need better gear like "Manticore" - this is where I find WD is lacking.

For a start, I hope Blizz can increase the attack speed of our zombie pets.
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 18 2012, 04:38 PM)
Nice DPS boost but the question is can you maintain it? If you can, then good for you.

Yeah it is indeed cheap cuz int gears are generally cheaper. But my two cents is if you're gonna depend on skills to get bonus damage then i think it won't be constant as there's always a chance you won't get the max. But again, i think i might be wrong here.

Well, DH needs AS but WD don't so can't compare here. Bro, u need to understand travel time or not a skill's casting animation is dependent on your AS. For example, how fast i lay traps depends on my AS. So, if u have more AS, u probably gonna cast AR faster.
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Dec 18 2012, 04:35 PM)
Ya lol....

Btw what is the reason you all choose WD? I mean for those Main Char is WD like me...

I get the game late, er late October or somewhere there where my friend already Inferno level 60.

I asked them you all dont have what class, they said WD ok i played then they quit 1@#$%&
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Why i rolled a WD? Bcos i was flat broke and my 1st toon (a DH) was stuck with no gold to do major upgrades.. i was able to finish Inferno solo without being carried with really tight budget gear using my WD .. then i start farming using my WD and up till now its my WD dat provides the most drops/legs & gold to equip my other toons. Early on with no great gears my WD was able to farm efficiently due to its skill/build (GF/SH to get dps .. pets, SW. SV to provide survivability)
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QUOTE(Ruidon @ Dec 18 2012, 04:39 PM)
Well, I mained a WD too. To me, its rather fun to play with despite their slow hitting pets. But I am still in love with my gargantuan being able to tank or at least buy some time for me to run away.

IMHO, WD is more to like a "back-up" player if played in a team. I dont know but usually my team mates died and I will be the one running around trying to revive them during UBER runs. Maybe they are nubs but yeah, 3-seconds SW will enable to you revive anyone without disturbance. Just need to time it well.

Anyway, they can dish out reasonable damage, depending on gear as I am standing around 100k +/- without pierce the veil. Mana wise, I dont usually get drained unless its Extra Health mob in high MP. Just SW and run, alt tab, view FB, tab back after 10 seconds tongue.gif
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I concur.
I always do the "revive" job when I play WD.

For me, WD runs fast.
It is the pets that attack at turtle-speed.
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WD pets are still ... erm.. NO good. But they can tank pretty well especially gargantuan but I have to sac a slot for it. >< haha
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o i thought i m the only WD reviving XD in uber

and for GF, there are dependency on Health Globe, normally when you have globe for boost meanst you have killed a decent amount of mob... so leftover some mob not really that beneficial, and if i m not mistaken only 5 seconds not 10...
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 18 2012, 04:38 PM)
Nice DPS boost but the question is can you maintain it? If you can, then good for you.

Yeah it is indeed cheap cuz int gears are generally cheaper. But my two cents is if you're gonna depend on skills to get bonus damage then i think it won't be constant as there's always a chance you won't get the max. But again, i think i might be wrong here.

Well, DH needs AS but WD don't so can't compare here. Bro, u need to understand travel time or not a skill's casting animation is dependent on your AS. For example, how fast i lay traps depends on my AS. So, if u have more AS, u probably gonna cast AR faster.
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As i pointed out WD is a good character to roll for a new player with tight budget. On low lvl mp farming the GF/SH combo dps boost can be maintained most of the time as u can kill fast n jaunt/stalker to next pack. However on higher mp games, WD cannot rely on that dps boost anymore as the health scaling of mobs by mp lvl make it impossible for a WD to get a high enough dps to do that. Even tho wd wont always get the max dps boost using GF/SH combo .. the minimum is at least 40% dps boost so its still high (without having to spend millions on gear upgrades)

The thing is bro, a WD doesnt need to cast AR faster as its a DoT type of attack where u dont need to spam and attack repeatedly using high ias.
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 18 2012, 04:50 PM)
As i pointed out WD is a good character to roll for a new player with tight budget. On low lvl mp farming the GF/SH combo dps boost can be maintained most of the time as u can kill fast n jaunt/stalker to next pack. However on higher mp games, WD cannot rely on that dps boost anymore as the health scaling of mobs by mp lvl make it impossible for a WD to get a high enough dps to do that. Even tho wd wont always get the max dps boost using GF/SH combo .. the minimum is at least 40% dps boost so its still high (without having to spend millions on gear upgrades)

The thing is bro, a WD doesnt need to cast AR faster as its a DoT type of attack where u dont need to spam and attack repeatedly using high ias.
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Why u don't need to cast AR faster? Cast AR on pack 1 and then pack 2 is better if you can do it faster.

DoT attacks are pretty much useless for low level mp farming, why do u want DoT attacks even? burst damage is the best.
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GF is more for 0cd zombie dog build
where the zombie dog pick the rune that can drop health globe

for other build mayb can try on the grasp of dead with health globe rune.. otherwise i find it quite hard to maintain the stacks from health globe~
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QUOTE(Ruidon @ Dec 18 2012, 04:44 PM)
WD pets are still ... erm.. NO good. But they can tank pretty well especially gargantuan but I have to sac a slot for it. >< haha
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Playing high MP... Tanking alone is not enough... just not enough.
i.e. MP10, we expect all players can play their role and die less in MP10. When it comes to MP10 uber, all players must be able to kill the bosses in 8min.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 18 2012, 04:40 PM)
Put it this way, WD can kill fast in MP0-MP5 (or MP6 if you have high DPS).
You won't notice shortcoming of WD in low MP.
Well, all heroes can kill fast in low MP anyway.

However, when it comes to high MP, you need more damage to kill fast, you need more mana, you need more attack speed to kill fast & life recovery, you need better gear like "Manticore" - this is where I find WD is lacking.

For a start, I hope Blizz can increase the attack speed of our zombie pets.
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A good fact pointed out by Aleune here ... mana issue for WD ... on low lvl mp u wont notice it at all .. but on higher mp is where u find urself OOM more frequently. This is where WD is at a disadvantage ... i hope Blizz do sumthing about WD mana issues (eg lessen mana cost @ better low mana attack that can generate mana faster)

With my current gear setup i can farm quite fast up to mp6 without going OOM .. but anything higher than that i will start to hear the annoying msg "You dont have enough mana" vmad.gif hahaha


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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 18 2012, 04:52 PM)
Why u don't need to cast AR faster? Cast AR on pack 1 and then pack 2 is better if you can do it faster.

DoT attacks are pretty much useless for low level mp farming, why do u want DoT attacks even? burst damage is the best.
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Bcos 1 AR attack is enough to kill whole pack bro .. DoT ensure that if the mob hv a bit of health left it will still die after u are alrdy long gone using Jaunt/Stalker to next pack (include Skorn Bleed into the equation and even higher health mobs will still die after 1 attack of AR)

Useless or not depending on each own experience playing such builds ... i can do burst dmg using Bears on low level mp farming but the hassle of getting close n all make me pick AR .. see mob .. click mob ... jaunt/stalk to next mob ... high PR make sure u wont miss any gold dropped .. farming made easy n fast biggrin.gif

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i will suggest blizzard buff all the mana regen mechanic:
some idea...lol
1) all mana regeneration item add 50% more regen, like used to regen 14mana bcome regen 21mana, like how they nerf IAS item last time
2) complete zuni set bonus 10mana on kill become gain 5 mana on hit from primary skill
3) vision quest regen to 50%
4) spiritual attunement add 30% max mana instead of 20%
5) etc
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i will suggest blizzard buff all the mana regen mechanic:
some idea...lol
1) all mana regeneration item add 50% more regen, like used to regen 14mana bcome regen 21mana, like how they nerf IAS item last time
2) complete zuni set bonus 10mana on kill become gain 5 mana on hit from primary skill
3) vision quest regen to 50%
4) spiritual attunement add 30% max mana instead of 20%
5) etc
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If blizz do this maybe, just maybe WD can start doing mp10 without running into mana problem biggrin.gif
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The thing is from what you guys say, WD have mana problem and is hindering your progress. Well this is tricky cuz if blizz were to tweak the mana issue, suddenly you might get too much mana and some start spamming bears like poison darts. Then, the community is gonna shout for a nerf again.

Is gonna take time la cuz Jay Wilson plays barb only.
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Depends on your skill and gears only actually.. my build and gears allowse to have enough mana all the time.. have to plan ur mana consumption.. thats how i do it..
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 18 2012, 07:00 PM)
The thing is from what you guys say, WD have mana problem and is hindering your progress. Well this is tricky cuz if blizz were to tweak the mana issue, suddenly you might get too much mana and some start spamming bears like poison darts. Then, the community is gonna shout for a nerf again.

Is gonna take time la cuz Jay Wilson plays barb only.
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Not expecting "unlimited" mana to a point can spam bears forever tongue.gif something along the lines of what other classes hv .. eg crits generates mana (which also wont be imba since hard for WD to get high crit on gears)

QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 18 2012, 07:04 PM)
Depends on your skill and gears only actually.. my build and gears allowse to have enough mana all the time.. have to plan ur mana consumption.. thats how i do it..
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Also depend on what mp u r playing bcos the more health mobs hv = more mana need to be used to kill them b4 u go OOM .. u can either use low mana attacks such as splinters, ghost bomb @ RoT and take forever to kill an elite pack on high mp (8-10) or u can use high mana attacks such as Bears and kill faster but run the risk of going OOM .. either way mana limits the killing speed/efficiency of WD and so far mana regen (on gears + passives) wont supply u enough mana to kill on high mp b4 u go OOM ... even using low dmg sucky attacks such as widowmaker @ spined dart wont generate enough mana .. ofc on low lvl mp there will be np with lack of mana.

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aiyoh, when play game the most important part of it is you must have fun. If you are having fun playing with DH/WD why bother the others..... your awesomeness got nothing to do with any business at all tongue.gif

Mana.... blizzard are in a tight spot lol~ if they give us anything above 140 mana reg per sec perma then we will 100% spam skills di.... and when they dont give... we will see ourself as inefficient
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ya we are not requesting unlimited mana...

but really, 4 out of 5 class no having mana issue is ok... where wd requesting more mana is not ok?

well... doesnt matter WD gear cheap is due to this also lol so give and take la...

maybe nerf other is better than boost WD if so many ppl think will imba the game when upgrading WD tongue.gif
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basically there is no way WD can easily have unlimited mana to zombie bear as long as the mana cost is 140

attk speed 1.0 per sec need mana regen 140 per sec (need another 95 mana regen)
attk speed 1.5 per sec need mana regen 140x1.5=210 per sec (need another 165 mana regen)
attk speed 2.0 per sec need mana regen 140x2 = 280 per sec (need another 235 mana regen)
so basically is we cant generate mana as fast as we spam bears if we attk faster~
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Thats why for Bear users imho its better to use 2h wpn with low attack speed ... u hit harder with higher crits without running the risk of going OOM. So u focus u dps gears (gloves, rings, ammy) to get highest CC & CD possible to crit more often and harder.. not going for ias, therefore trifecta gears will make it slightly cheaper.. coupled with high LS on a 2h wpn ... each crit will replenish ur health pool very fast. The downside is u cannot rely on ToTD for pickup radius so u sacrifice 1 random roll on some gears for pickup radius ... a fair tradeoff considering the high dps u gain from it. Your paper dps will show lower dps than those who stack ias but in reality u deal more dmg thru crits.

Bears (3 x 236% wpn dmg) (using high base dmg 2h wpn) x max crit hit dmg possible (300% from Skorn + 100% from 2 rings + 100% on ammy + 50% on gloves = awesome crit dmg .. if only we can sustain mana better icon_question.gif

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I can solo farm until MP 7 with a couple of death but I think pets really do their job in tanking and letting me run away lol ~ but when it comes to uber boss at MP 7 (4 players) it is surely an issue when it comes to mana. 0 mana, run around, wait a while and come back with full bears tongue.gif
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why WD? my 1st char is Monk. stucked DPS @ 20K. low on gold. dulan.

then see not many play WD. so WD then... LOL...

and owww yes... my mana not a issue... but i die b4 OOM... doh.gif

tested Ghom MP10, mati katak like TotD... sad.gif
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Been farming mp0 with around 80k dps

Sunkeeper x2 + HF ring x2 (follower)

Results are quite good! Didn't calculate time per run but seeing more greens smile.gif
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Dec 20 2012, 10:59 AM)
Been farming mp0 with around 80k dps

Sunkeeper x2 + HF ring x2 (follower)

Results are quite good! Didn't calculate time per run but seeing more greens smile.gif
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Damn ~ I didnt notice that we can place HF ring on follower.. I melted my HF rings.. only left 1 on my finger now. FML ><

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Dec 20 2012, 10:59 AM)
Been farming mp0 with around 80k dps

Sunkeeper x2 + HF ring x2 (follower)

Results are quite good! Didn't calculate time per run but seeing more greens smile.gif
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huh??? dafok... i need sunkeeper than... LOL...
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Dec 20 2012, 10:59 AM)
Been farming mp0 with around 80k dps

Sunkeeper x2 + HF ring x2 (follower)

Results are quite good! Didn't calculate time per run but seeing more greens smile.gif
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Yeah this is what ive been doin for some time alrdy biggrin.gif 2 x Sun Keeper = arnd 50% MF (which equates to 2 mp level) so basically u can do mp0 with same MF as doing mp2 but way faster killing speed (benefits GF/GI, CoL, Jaunt/Stalker combo). I run mp0 with 84k dps only but still deliver frequent crits with Acid Rain which melts white mobs fast.. elite packs are dealt with some Bears @ Sac when mana is low.
This morning's speed run alrdy gv me few legs with IK chest & Shen Long fist being "worthy" drops rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Ruidon @ Dec 20 2012, 11:03 AM)
Damn ~ I didnt notice that we can place HF ring on follower.. I melted my HF rings.. only left 1 on my finger now. FML ><

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Craft a vitality HF ring and hope for a life%, MF & GF rolls (another roll can be either str, armor @ AR) for the best HF ring on Templar follower.
The best setup for Templar follower for MF is: Sun Keeper + Stormshield with 20% MF + puzzle ring (for that xtra gob drops) + vit HF ring + ammy with high MF & vit ... relic try to get high vit + armor/ar/block chance.
I switch to Azurewrath + Star of Azkaranth ammy for higher mp key runs so my Templar can freeze elites frequently (coupled with Garg/Bruiser stun ... it help me keep tough elite packs in place while i spam bears on them)

QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 11:08 AM)
huh??? dafok... i need sunkeeper than... LOL...
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I hv xtra Sun Keeper if u want to borrow tongue.gif currently using 1k dps open socket + high intel/vit Sun Keeper for myself & a LoH Sun Keeper for my Templar smile.gif

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 20 2012, 12:08 PM)
Yeah this is what ive been doin for some time alrdy  biggrin.gif  2 x Sun Keeper = arnd 50% MF (which equates to 2 mp level) so basically u can do mp0 with same MF as doing mp2 but way faster killing speed (benefits GF/GI, CoL, Jaunt/Stalker combo). I run mp0 with 84k dps only but still deliver frequent crits with Acid Rain which melts white mobs fast.. elite packs are dealt with some Bears @ Sac when mana is low.
This morning's speed run alrdy gv me few legs with IK chest & Shen Long fist being "worthy" drops  rclxms.gif
Craft a vitality HF ring and hope for a life%, MF & GF rolls (another roll can be either str, armor @ AR) for the best HF ring on Templar follower.
The best setup for Templar follower for MF is: Sun Keeper + Stormshield with 20% MF + puzzle ring (for that xtra gob drops) + vit HF ring + ammy with high MF & vit ... relic try to get high vit + armor/ar/block chance.
I switch to Azurewrath + Star of Azkaranth ammy for higher mp key runs so my Templar can freeze elites frequently (coupled with Garg/Bruiser stun ... it help me keep tough elite packs in place while i spam bears on them)
I hv xtra Sun Keeper if u want to borrow  tongue.gif  currently using 1k dps open socket + high intel/vit Sun Keeper for myself & a LoH Sun Keeper for my Templar  smile.gif

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u not a good fella ni... keep poison me... sad.gif

so using templar is better tht enchantress???

my templar got 28% MF now... with sun keeper alr...

ok la... borrow me la...

i try mp0 see see... ^^

thanks bro...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 12:19 PM)
u not a good fella ni... keep poison me... sad.gif

so using templar is better tht enchantress???

my templar got 28% MF now... with sun keeper alr...

ok la... borrow me la...

i try mp0 see see... ^^

thanks bro...
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haha not poison lor biggrin.gif give u encouragement to motivate u farm more lolz tongue.gif

imho templar is better than enchantress for few reasons:
- more MF on templar
- templar is tankier (he always last to die .. after my garg die .. then me lolz)
- using Azurewrath + Star of Azkaranth + Stormshiled he is like supertanker who freezes elite .. with templar u dont need zdog .. Templar + Garg = 2 good tanker alrdy .. Templar freeze & Garg deal dmg
- his passive give u xtra mana regen which is very important to WD (mana = damage)
- Templar is melee so he get hits more often which will spawn gobs if u equip him with Puzzle Ring (i alrdy hv lots of leg from gobs spawn from puzzle ring ... latest was a Skorn)
- Enchantress is good for crowd control but WD alrdy hv a lot of crowd control skills.

Okie np ... nxt time i see u in game i pass u a 9xxk dps Sun Keeper with open socket smile.gif
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by the way, any of u did this challenge???

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

ALeUNe done his...

pros, plz test it out...

my wd die within 30s LOL...
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i dont think i'll be doing mp10 for now ... need to increase my AR & Armor before i attempt mp10 ... maybe a higher dps LS Skorn is needed as well.. my experience with mp9 uber runs with some LYN members taught me that mp10 is suicidal for me now haha.
the problems i foresee a WD attempting mp10 ghom are .. going OOM due to huge health of mp10, pets dying fast due to poison (unless u stack life regen + thorns on gear & use Fierce Loyalty passive) ... big dmg attack such as bears will make u go OOM while low dmg attack such as splinter @ RoT will take forever to kill mp10 Ghom.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 20 2012, 02:41 PM)
i dont think i'll be doing mp10 for now ... need to increase my AR & Armor before i attempt mp10 ... maybe a higher dps LS Skorn is needed as well.. my experience with mp9 uber runs with some LYN members taught me that mp10 is suicidal for me now haha.
the problems i foresee a WD attempting mp10 ghom are .. going OOM due to huge health of mp10, pets dying fast due to poison (unless u stack life regen + thorns on gear & use Fierce Loyalty passive) ... big dmg attack such as bears will make u go OOM while low dmg attack such as splinter @ RoT will take forever to kill mp10 Ghom.
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i will try with this build tonite...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;cXU!ccabbY

no pets... start then run to the corner... so i can align my bears in 1 straight line...

yesterday using my current build... i die b4 my pets and oom... LOL...

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 02:46 PM)
i will try with this build tonite...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;cXU!ccabbY

no pets... start then run to the corner... so i can align my bears in 1 straight line...

yesterday using my current build... i die b4 my pets and oom... LOL...
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Snake to the face is nice especially if u have high attack speed .. that can keep Ghom stun.
Jaunt u might want to change to Honored Guest for mana regen so can spam Bears more.
Mass Confusion wont be effective bcos its meant for large mobs ... even if u want it for stun, the 60 second cooldown for a 3 sec stun wont make it a good choice.
Slam Dance can be good but i dont see a 20% increase in ias % 30% dmg for 20sec (while hv to wait another 100 sec to be able to use it again) will make a big difference.
Frightening Aspect is a good choice since it increase Armor.. however do u expect to get hit by Ghom in the 1st place? tongue.gif most of the time u will get dmg from his poison cloud not melee attack.

Suggestions:
U need to deal huge dmg to kill Ghom ASAP .. Bears is the obvious choice but u need some kind of attack to supply u mana ... for this i would suggest Haunt/Draining Spirit .. Haunt is a click n forget attack .. DoT for 6 sec .. DS rune will return u 20.4 mana per sec which totals up to 122 mana over 6 sec.
Another big dps attack to supplement Bears .. Wall of Zombie/Pile On is a good choice ... 800% wpn dmg is HUGE and getting PO to hit Ghom would be easy as he is a large target .. PO then Bears while waiting for cooldown on PO
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 20 2012, 03:03 PM)
Snake to the face is nice especially if u have high attack speed .. that can keep Ghom stun.
Jaunt u might want to change to Honored Guest for mana regen so can spam Bears more.
Mass Confusion wont be effective bcos its meant for large mobs ... even if u want it for stun, the 60 second cooldown for a 3 sec stun wont make it a good choice.
Slam Dance can be good but i dont see a 20% increase in ias % 30% dmg for 20sec (while hv to wait another 100 sec to be able to use it again) will make a big difference.
Frightening Aspect is a good choice since it increase Armor.. however do u expect to get hit by Ghom in the 1st place?  tongue.gif  most of the time u will get dmg from his poison cloud not melee attack.

Suggestions:
U need to deal huge dmg to kill Ghom ASAP .. Bears is the obvious choice but u need some kind of attack to supply u mana ... for this i would suggest Haunt/Draining Spirit .. Haunt is a click n forget attack .. DoT for 6 sec .. DS rune will return u 20.4 mana per sec which totals up to 122 mana over 6 sec.
Another big dps attack to supplement Bears .. Wall of Zombie/Pile On is a good choice ... 800% wpn dmg is HUGE and getting PO to hit Ghom would be easy as he is a large target .. PO then Bears while waiting for cooldown on PO
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thanks for advice...

will try and error see see...

tht build i copy from a website one...

he done it around 2mins++

i will change my helm and ring to IAS, then test see see...

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 02:33 PM)
by the way, any of u did this challenge???

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

ALeUNe done his...

pros, plz test it out...

my wd die within 30s LOL...
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Fiddled around with some under-utilised WD attack spells and after some testing, here are my findings:

Haunt Cost: 98 Mana
Haunt an enemy with a spirit, dealing 575% weapon damage as Arcane over 6 seconds. If the target dies, the spirit will haunt another nearby enemy.
Draining Spirit
The spirit returns 20.4 Mana per second.
- Another option for WD to regen mana .. 122.4 mana over 6 sec helps keep mana pool from dipping too low when spamming high mana spells such as Acid Rain @ Bears. Its DoT attack also works well with Acid Rain (stacking 2 DoTs attack on target makes them die faster.)
I used it on my speed run build as primary attack, alternating between Haunt & AR .. surprisingly i nvr go OOM even when i spam AR a lot (didnt hv to use Sac/Pride at all unless i had to nuke a tough elite pack). Haunt wont be wasted as it will jump to another target ensuring the mana return is kept flowing. Another thing i like about Haunt is the fact that u dont really need to aim using it ... all u need is to face the mobs and click Haunt .. it will home in on nearest target. Will give Haunt a try on uber runs later to see how well it works.

Spirit Barrage Cost: 108 Mana
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Regain 3% of damage dealt with Spirit Barrage as Life.
- Not many ppl realise that with SB/Pheb u can tackle RD packs better even with low LS on 1h+mojo setup. Damage using SB is also quite high with mana cost slight lower than Bears.. however it deals more dmg per single unit compared to Bears. Altho i alrdy hv high LS on my Skorn, the xtra 3%LS helps a lot especially when facing RD MINIONS .. most of the time i can kill myself if i use Bears on RD Minions (due to Bears hitting many targets) but using SB/Pheb, RD minions are piece of cake now lolz. Its a great Gob killer as well bcos of it high range (no need to chase n be close to gobs). SB/Pheb now replace RoT as my primary attack on higher mp key runs.

Give it a try and any feedback (be it positive @ negative) is most welcome thumbup.gif

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tested MP10 Ghom again... WD not really can stand still there... sad.gif

but this time i can tahan longer... then mati coz i no run LOL...
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I couldn't level up my WD yesterday sad.gif wifey asked me to sleeeeeeeppp. doh.gif

ah well, weekends and holidays are here. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


Anyone got spare WD gear to spare? junk 61 legendaries also can hahahahaha

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 21 2012, 10:11 AM)
tested MP10 Ghom again... WD not really can stand still there... sad.gif

but this time i can tahan longer... then mati coz i no run LOL...
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well, we need your Ghom mp10 kill vid, hehehe.
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cant survive, no vid... tongue.gif

stratos did killed mp10 ghom...

wait his vid... 300s++ he said...
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Dec 21 2012, 11:41 AM)
I couldn't level up my WD yesterday sad.gif wifey asked me to sleeeeeeeppp.  doh.gif

ah well, weekends and holidays are here.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Anyone got spare WD gear to spare? junk 61 legendaries also can hahahahaha
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Which WD gear in particular u r looking for bro? I think i hv some spare mojos, wd headgears, ceremonial knives and even zuni set (minus the ring) & manajuma set lying around on my mules.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 21 2012, 05:20 PM)
Which WD gear in particular u r looking for bro? I think i hv some spare mojos, wd headgears, ceremonial knives and even zuni set (minus the ring) & manajuma set lying around on my mules.
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Thanks for the offer bro. I dont know yet lol. I baru level 19 WD. I have no idea what build(when I reach 60) to use yet biggrin.gif

But if u wish to clear your stash, I would gladly help hahaha brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif




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hi all, currently playing a monk and wanna gear my WD, its naked, probably got like 30-50m to spare for WD, coz i think not many ppl play WD. is there like a Cookie cutter build that can take down elite/and mob at the same time fast? and i aint sure y decrease summon cooldown of zombie dogs is so expensive, i tried playing with my doggies but they aint strong... so yeah is there any cookie cutter build that i can spec my gear toward it?
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2 most powerful witch doctor nuke skill are 0cd zombie dog sacrifice & zombie bear
0 cd zombie dog sacrifice dmg > 275% x3 dogs
zombie bear dmg> 235% x3

reason y decrease summon cooldown of zombie dogs is so expensive bcox it is possible to have unlimited zombie dog sacrifice but impossible to have unlimited zombie bear spam cox u will run out of mana eventually even with alot of reduce resouce cost on zombie charger~

btw cheapest spec and eciest to start with is skorn+acid rain and farm mp0 smile.gif

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hi all, currently playing a monk and wanna gear my WD, its naked, probably got like 30-50m to spare for WD, coz i think not many ppl play WD. is there like a Cookie cutter build that can take down elite/and mob at the same time fast? and i aint sure y decrease summon cooldown of zombie dogs is so expensive, i tried playing with my doggies but they aint strong... so yeah is there any cookie cutter build that i can spec my gear toward it?
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In theory 0cd zdog gives huge dmg + unlimited mana + unlimited health globe. However in real game play its not so the case. 1st of all to get 0cd on zdog u need to be 1h + mojo & the mojo u need to use is Homunculus which has low avg dmg .. basically equipping 0cd zdog gears will make your dps lower therefore dmg for Sacrifice also lower. Another thing is u need to summon zdog then wait till zdog engage mobs then only use Sac (deal damage) .. total time taken is not really 0 .. so u dont really need 0cd. Unless we are talking about pvp or uber runs where here is tankers in party.

Zombie Bears build with Gruesome Feast + Grave Injustice passive coupled with Soul Harvest is clearly your best bet to deal massive damage in real game play. You can either:
a) obtain high paper dps (200k-300k) by stacking ias (together with CC & CHD) and equipping a 1h wpn (with high base CHD + OS) + Ukh Serpent Mojo (with at least 250-300 avg dmg) @ Manajuma Set with similar stats. However u will run into some problem against RD packs due to only 3% max LS on 1h (Soul Barrage/Pheb can add another 3%LS but SB is best for single target .. it doesnt clear huge packs like Bears does)
b) go 2h with high dps Skorn + high base CHD + open socket + (min of 5%LS if u want to handle RD packs efficiently). The only problem here is u lose pickup radius (needed for GF/GI) from ToTD mojo .. so u need to sacrifice 1 random roll on some gears for pickup radius. Another problem is mana regen (u lose mana regen from mojo) so u need to use full Zuni set + 1/2 mana regen passive (Blood Ritual & Spiritual Attunement) and use 1 mana regen attack spell (Widowmaker, Spined Dart @ what i currently use is Haunt/Draining Spirit)

Gruesome Feast + Soul Harvest can easily boost your dps from 30-100% of your base/paper dps. On my current setup i can go from 27xx intel/12xk dps to 5xxx intel/2xxk dps after GF/SH buff. Spirit Walk + Grave Injustice passive will make chain combo possible if used correctly. If u feel u need to see such build/setup in action .. feel free to add me in-game @ Hulkie#6526. I am currently using such setup with 120k dps, 5.6% LS, 700AR, 3.5k armor & 53k hp. Key & Uber runs up to mp8 is doable .. mp9 is a challenge but mp10 is a suicide mission lolz (need to buff up my EHP & get higher dps b4 can tackle mp10).

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thanks for the tips guys, yeah probably going have to start at mp0 first smile.gif thanks you.
probably goin to go with skorn build.
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by the way, any of u did this challenge???

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

ALeUNe done his...

pros, plz test it out...

my wd die within 30s LOL...
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done this at first attempt... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWuInPWOwPo&feature=youtu.be

Always forgot to activate manitou and to stand nearest ghom sweat.gif

Starts : 0:09
Finishes : 6:07
Duration : 358 seconds

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QUOTE(nimanhid @ Dec 24 2012, 02:09 PM)
done this at first attempt... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWuInPWOwPo&feature=youtu.be

Always forgot to activate manitou and to stand nearest ghom  sweat.gif

Starts : 0:09
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bro, wat kind of passive u using???

u can face tank huh...

i always wish i can face tank spam bears... but cant... always OOM...
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bro, wat kind of passive u using???

u can face tank huh...

i always wish i can face tank spam bears... but cant... always OOM...
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my passive skill
- spiritual attunement
- zombie handler
- jungle fortitude

just follow advice from all sifu here before this that wd need more AR
so my current AR is +-900 and LOH +-1800
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my passive skill
- spiritual attunement
- zombie handler
- jungle fortitude

just follow advice from all sifu here before this that wd need more AR
so my current AR is +-900 and LOH +-1800
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ur pox yummy!!!

okok i try again tonite...
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anyone doing hardcore here?

looking for consistent team to run hc, preferably wd coz of the lovely battalion of pet tanks. and from around gmt+8 timezone (perth, sg, KL, HK, taiwan)

currently p24 farming mp0 act3 inferno, will be moving up the mp as gear improve and eventually farm key for machines.

add me if interested :
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anyone doing hardcore here?

looking for consistent team to run hc, preferably wd coz of the lovely battalion of pet tanks. and from around gmt+8 timezone (perth, sg, KL, HK, taiwan)

currently p24 farming mp0 act3 inferno, will be moving up the mp as gear improve and eventually farm key for machines.

add me if interested :
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I'm considering to dabble in HC as well soon and from my SC experience i would definately roll a WD for HC... will add u up when i do so.
Did u solo all the way to inferno or did u do coop games? Hopefully u can carry me thru Hell at least biggrin.gif lolz ... i will probably try solo Normal & Nightmare on my own
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solo mostly, just buy gears from ah with the money from blue item sales and its pretty much safe,

only dangers are boss fights that has some sort of time limit like butcher and belial which can be solved by over-level your character and red gems in higher level weapons.

get a red gems into a helm will make leveling pretty fast.

i will come help if you want safe passage to those bosses in hell.

a piece of advice is that on your first hc toon, create 2 hardcore mule to store your levelup gears, your toon will eventually die and those levelup gear will be great help. biggrin.gif


Added on December 26, 2012, 2:55 pmoh and dont forget to use the SV passive.. it makes wd pretty much invincible if you dont push it too hard.

my first wd died because i didnt use that passive.. sigh.


Added on December 26, 2012, 3:53 pmoh and once u reach level 50+ (hell), just buy a -lvl req weapon from the ah and u own hell. so u probably wont need my help... but will come if u need help la..


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solo mostly, just buy gears from ah with the money from blue item sales and its pretty much safe,

only dangers are boss fights that has some sort of time limit like butcher and belial which can be solved by over-level your character and red gems in higher level weapons.

get a red gems into a helm will make leveling pretty fast.

i will come help if you want safe passage to those bosses in hell.

a piece of advice is that on your first hc toon, create 2 hardcore mule to store your levelup gears, your toon will eventually die and those levelup gear will be great help. biggrin.gif


Added on December 26, 2012, 2:55 pmoh and dont forget to use the SV passive.. it makes wd pretty much invincible if you dont push it too hard.

my first wd died because i didnt use that passive.. sigh.


Added on December 26, 2012, 3:53 pmoh and once u reach level 50+ (hell), just buy a -lvl req weapon from the ah and u own hell. so u probably wont need my help... but will come if u need help la..
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Thx for the useful tips rclxms.gif
Red Gem (Ruby) into wpn to get LoH? I plan to use RoT & Acid Rain in HC since both have high proc rate therefore making LoH a "lifesaver" in HC .. i also might try out some other %chance to affix (from what i tried in SC .. stun & immobilize is pretty good). Will try to get my hand on an Azurewrath and do the freeze build which imho is the best crowd control build altho will result in low dps.
SV is a must thumbup.gif what other passives do u use? i was thinking of using Bad Medicine (since both RoT n Acid Rain are poison based DoT attacks) & a mana regen passive (probably Blood Ritual)

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erm... for leveling up chucking a flawless ruby thing (the ones u get from inferno drop) into your weapon will make it become very powerful for low levels.. your spells will kill very very fast so no loh is needed... they are pretty cheap so np buying from ah.

once u reach like 48-50+ get a -lvl req weapon from ah and own stuffs in hell. u can look for 1 with small-ish amount of loh to be safe. i always use emerald in weapons even in hc (i mean after reaching 60), alot of ppl put amathyst in them in hc though...

currently using SV, VQ, and jungle fort. using mana spider as primary, AR and bear as mana sink.

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what mojo stats consider good? Last night was my mojo day as I looted 2 katak.
snake/ayam/zuni?


Added on December 28, 2012, 2:11 pmAnd, how to make use of 1k mana pool effectively? spam bear I know for sure.

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what mojo stats consider good? Last night was my mojo day as I looted 2 katak.
snake/ayam/zuni?


Added on December 28, 2012, 2:11 pmAnd, how to make use of 1k mana pool effectively? spam bear I know for sure.
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mojo, find high avg dmg, like 200 and above...
crit chance, 8~10
max mana
mana regen
skill buff like zombie bear mana cost
main stat

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my zuni mojo good? no CHC but with -12 max bear mana reduction and its looted.


Added on December 28, 2012, 2:22 pmSV passive... would it be good to replace CoL since I do not use sacrifice. I scared not enough toon to tank in front making me vulnerable

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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/yuhhaur...8/hero/26522413

my zuni mojo good? no CHC but with -12 max bear mana reduction and its looted.
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consider good...
ur avg dmg 23X, max INT, max min cost zombie bear, with VIT...

but to boost DPS, really need CC... mine also no CC ma... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Dec 28 2012, 02:10 PM)
what mojo stats consider good? Last night was my mojo day as I looted 2 katak.
snake/ayam/zuni?


Added on December 28, 2012, 2:11 pmAnd, how to make use of 1k mana pool effectively? spam bear I know for sure.
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Mojo preferred affix roll in order of importance:
- Average Damage .. preferably 250 n above with high min dmg
- Crit Chance (legendary mojos win over set mojo as both top leg mojo hv fixed CC with Ukh hving highest possible CC at 10)
- Mana regen .. major issue with WD delivering constant high dmg is mana regen therefore better mana regen equals more dmg over time.
- Max Mana ... having larger mana pool helps u spam high mana cost spell eg Bears
- Intel
- Vitality

Some infos regarding mojos for WD:

ToTD
- +20 Pickup Radius means u dont hv to sacrifice 1 random roll on 3 gears to get 20 PR
- fixed CC, mana regen & max mana make ToTD an all round great mojo to use
- for 2 random roll most ppl go for double roll on intel + vit

Uhkapian Serpent
- the BiS mojo for 1h + mojo setup for several reasons
- highest average dmg possible (307), highest CC, increase dmg against Elites (great on Ubers)
- for WD skill, 2 popular choice is increase PD dmg @ reduce cost of ZC
- for 2 random roll, vit is a must .. the other roll can be intel for more dps @ mana regen/max mana (altho if u r Splinters build u wont need mana .. Bears users with reduced cost from skill wont really need the regen or max mana) .. personally i would look for vit + life% roll for better survivability on high mp

Gory Fetch
- the preferred choice if u r Carving Knife user
- set bonus of 130 intel is good .. +5 mana after kill also nice if stacked up with zuni full bonus
- the poison cloud bonus could be put to good use if ure doing JF/BM build for best dmg reduction .. thats why also i thing dis dead ciken has fixed roll of %life .. in a nut shell this mojo is best for WD who focus on survivability.

Zuni String of Skulls
- not much i can say about this mojo other than it offers u an option to lose 1 other zuni item but still maintain full set bonus ... i really dont see losing any zuni gear to it (vision is for ehp, marrow gives ar, pox gives ar n chd, trail gives dmg) .. the only time i would consider using string if i use hf ring + signet but still want the set bonus.

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finally got 13 PR...

Gecko, thanks for the seluar... i mao return it to you... tongue.gif

now i need other with PR...

now i can farm faster... but still cant don like u... sad.gif
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I have not played with other 3 WDs in high MP.
Shall we organize a WD party at high MP?

Where is Ah Hoe? Haven't seen him for quite some time.
We need some DPSer.

P/S Add me ALeUNe#6127. We can have some voodoo parties. nod.gif

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hoho UPDATE!!!

top 3 plvl here:

1st (plvl 93) - maxapez2 - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/babyxid...8/hero/20365706

2nd (plvl 81) - Gecko - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hulkie-6526/hero/27716827

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GAMBATTE!!!


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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 31 2012, 09:38 AM)
I have not played with other 3 WDs in high MP.
Shall we organize a WD party at high MP?

Where is Ah Hoe? Haven't seen him for quite some time.
We need some DPSer.

P/S Add me ALeUNe#6127. We can have some voodoo parties.  nod.gif
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4 WD hard to high MP ler... sad.gif

see how imba barb dh wiz monk... our wd fight uber really like paper fight fire...

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DH toufulah where got imba....
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Hit WD P level 70 then maybe change char lol... DH or Monk maybe lol... Barb heard OP but very fat don like play fat char lol
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4 WD hard to high MP ler... sad.gif

see how imba barb dh wiz monk... our wd fight uber really like paper fight fire...
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I think it is doable for WD @ MP9/10.
Did it many times with other class of players.

Uber skeleton king is going to kill many of our pets.
If possible, we need some diversified build.

I believe WD can do it.
Come, let's form a voodoo party.
For a start, let's do MP9 as warm-up party. laugh.gif
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I think it is doable for WD @ MP9/10.
Did it many times with other class of players.

Uber skeleton king is going to kill many of our pets.
If possible, we need some diversified build.

I believe WD can do it.
Come, let's form a voodoo party.
For a start, let's do MP9 as warm-up party.  laugh.gif
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yes doable... but hard i think... LOL...

1st thing 1st... Who DPS??? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 31 2012, 11:51 AM)
yes doable... but hard i think... LOL...

1st thing 1st... Who DPS??? tongue.gif
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To be fair, everyone has to be DPSer.
At least do 1mm of damage at a time. laugh.gif

We can try do MP9 and see how far we can go.
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I am not sure whether my wd do able for mp9/mp10... but lets test it out smile.gif

invite me...
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I am not sure whether my wd do able for mp9/mp10... but lets test it out smile.gif

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As long as you can do MP10 Ghom, you should be able to do it.

Please give me your battletag, i'll add you.
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As long as you can do MP10 Ghom, you should be able to do it.

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finally got 13 PR...

Gecko, thanks for the seluar... i mao return it to you... tongue.gif

now i need other with PR...

now i can farm faster... but still cant don like u... sad.gif
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You're welcome Henry tongue.gif i myself wont be using Jousting Mail so maybe going to sell all my JM pants haha biggrin.gif
I just bought a rare pants with 656 Armor, 200 Vit, 43 Physical Res, 76 All Res & 2 open sockets .. should boost my EHP quite a lot (almost 4k armor, 1k Physical Res, 60k Life, 800 AR) if i ditch my Inna pants ... now need to get a Lacuni with CC.
Ive been bz lately, got some wedding videoshoot so dats why u dont see me playing so often as b4 tongue.gif Later i show u the super fast farm technique haha

I've done 3 WD Uber party @ MP8 b4 and its doable but took quite long ... need to sync on who uses BM passive and other dps boosting spell such as Slam Dance etc .. imho if all WD use garg/bruiser 4 garg can do lots of stuns on ubers which will help a lot. I'm down doing all WD Uber party .. add me up @ Hulkie#6526. DPS wise .. eversince using pox with cc i crit more often & with SoJ equipped my bears do 700-900k crit dmg each on ubers.

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1 WD with 0 cd zombie dog for unlimited health globe

3 WD with zombie bear+reduced CD BBV + GF + acid rain..

unlimited supply of mana regen... thumbup.gif

problem is 0cd build need at least 200m rclxub.gif

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donno me sui or wat... fast run from lvl70 5 bar to lvl71 5 bar...

no legs drop... haih... sad.gif
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U hv to mandi bunga lor Henry biggrin.gif kasi buang sui tongue.gif
Or do like i do ... rest your WD n play other toons ... i started playing my barb again ... got few leg drops alrdy but all sux doh.gif
I think now i use my barb to do key runs @ mp6 since can do very fast .. haha sprint2 gather mobs near elites then perma zerk .. spin until puke biggrin.gif

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U hv to mandi bunga lor Henry  biggrin.gif  kasi buang sui  tongue.gif
Or do like i do ... rest your WD n play other toons ... i started playing my barb again ... got few leg drops alrdy but all sux  doh.gif
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hope can get all the gears cheap... smile.gif
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transfer ur WD gear to wizzy kawtim
wizzy with skorn...drooolllll
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transfer ur WD gear to wizzy kawtim
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A question, is 5.5% LS good enough to cope damage reflection @ MP10? Zombie bears build.

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A question, is 5.5% LS good enough to cope damage reflection @ MP10? Zombie bears build.
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imho & from own playing experience i would say 5.5%LS is the minimum to deal with RD packs at higher mp (up to 10), as long as u have high CHD (300% min) & high CC (i used to hover arnd 36% but i think 40% is the minimum sweet spot) however u also need good EHP to survive few hits & not die ... stacking physical resist &/@ melee reduction% together with high armor will make it much easier ofc. There are few exceptions .. MINIONS being the most obvious but also certain RD packs combined with particular affix such as Life Link can also pose a problem ... personally there are 2 ways i deal with them .. a) spam bears only when SW is up @ when i know they are at low enough health to drop globes & b) using Spirit Barrage/Pheb to get xtra 3% LS (Pheb is great against single targets but not so against large numbers of mobs). Bears FTW! ... no other WD skill can demolish huge packs in high MP super fast like Bears do (especially if u are buffed by SH & GF bonus).

My fav move as a WD is to jaunt into a pack .. SH/VS to whittle their health down & get huge intel/dps bonus .. cast Stalker to get armor buff & also chase them away (s0 that i wont get swarmed with mobs) then unleash the full fury of bears (i notice mobs die faster when get hit by bears as they are running away .. maybe during that time their defence is lowered?) .. u prolly kill enough to get CD on all skills (via GI passive) so that u can chain combo to next pack. Once buffed, nxt pack would die much faster ... that's why when i see an elite pack with white mobs around them .. i take the white mobs out 1st to buff myself then only target elite pack ... unless ofc the e pack are RD .. so i keep the white mobs to leech life of them (nest & prophet who resurrect are good source of free health lolz)

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imho & from own playing experience i would say 5.5%LS is the minimum to deal with RD packs at higher mp (up to 10), as long as u have high CHD (300% min) & high CC (i used to hover arnd 36% but i think 40% is the minimum sweet spot) however u also need good EHP to survive few hits & not die ... stacking physical resist &/@ melee reduction% together with high armor will make it much easier ofc. There are few exceptions .. MINIONS being the most obvious but also certain RD packs combined with particular affix such as Life Link can also pose a problem ... personally there are 2 ways i deal with them .. a) spam bears only when SW is up @ when i know they are at low enough health to drop globes & b) using Spirit Barrage/Pheb to get xtra 3% LS (Pheb is great against single targets but not so against large numbers of mobs). Bears FTW! ... no other WD skill can demolish huge packs in high MP super fast like Bears do (especially if u are buffed by SH & GF bonus).

My fav move as a WD is to jaunt into a pack .. SH/VS to whittle their health down & get huge intel/dps bonus .. cast Stalker to get armor buff & also chase them away (s0 that i wont get swarmed with mobs) then unleash the full fury of bears (i notice mobs die faster when get hit by bears as they are running away .. maybe during that time their defence is lowered?) .. u prolly kill enough to get CD on all skills (via GI passive) so that u can chain combo to next pack. Once buffed, nxt pack would die much faster ... that's why when i see an elite pack with white mobs around them .. i take the white mobs out 1st to buff myself then only target elite pack ... unless ofc the e pack are RD .. so i keep the white mobs to leech life of them (nest & prophet who resurrect are good source of free health lolz)
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Thanks. I'll do some test on the LS.
Too bad there is not many options for WD in terms of weapon.
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Thanks. I'll do some test on the LS.
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Yup sad.gif Skorn is the best 2h wpn for WD due to its high base CHD + OS ... but LS is a random affix which comes with a hefty price tag.

Vigilance (legendary polearm) is a cheaper alternative altho wont get as high dmg as Skorn (only 1 random affix .. n ofc u want OS for that .. so no base CHD) .. however it has fixed/default LS affix + chance to freeze is pretty handy .. Inner Sanctuary gives u some defensive buff.

Other than those 2 legs .. rare 2handers with high dps + base chd + os + ls could match Skorn .. still lacks Skorn's Bleed which is very good in conjunction with Acid Rain on low level speed farming.

Blizz need to buff WD hard .. ASAP ... make SW as powerful as Gloom @ WotB (increase CC in SW mode haha) .. or at least give spell cd reduction on crits bcos as it is now .. GI cd on kills only works in low mp .. there's no way WD can kill a lot of mobs fast enough on high mp to benefit from GI skill cd bonus.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 4 2013, 06:56 PM)
Yup  sad.gif  Skorn is the best 2h wpn for WD due to its high base CHD + OS ... but LS is a random affix which comes with a hefty price tag.

Vigilance (legendary polearm) is a cheaper alternative altho wont get as high dmg as Skorn (only 1 random affix .. n ofc u want OS for that .. so no base CHD) .. however it has fixed/default LS affix + chance to freeze is pretty handy .. Inner Sanctuary gives u some defensive buff.

Other than those 2 legs .. rare 2handers with high dps + base chd + os + ls could match Skorn .. still lacks Skorn's Bleed which is very good in conjunction with Acid Rain on low level speed farming.

Blizz need to buff WD hard .. ASAP ... make SW as powerful as Gloom @ WotB (increase CC in SW mode haha) .. or at least give spell cd reduction on crits bcos as it is now .. GI cd on kills only works in low mp .. there's no way WD can kill a lot of mobs fast enough on high mp to benefit from GI skill cd bonus.
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You have a 3 second walk with jaunt. What else more could you ask for? =P

but yeah i agree, WD needs the most buff currently. I think most of the class needs a buff on their skill runes. For example, i'm tired of using Shadow Power: Gloom. i'm tired of looking at a monk with FoT.
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The thing is .. what can u do with 3 sec of invulnerability & increase MS on higher mp other than getting out of sticky situations?
3 sec of spamming Bears uninterrupted wont even kill an elite pack of Phasebeast on mp8 let alone mp10 lolz
Plus there's no way u can perma Jaunt on high mp games (unless skill cd is influenced by crits like Wiz do)
At the end of the day even if Blizz doesnt buff WD .. i still enjoy playing WD as it gives me most challenge and satisfaction.



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stack as much DPS as you can? i think life steal of EF and Knife ain't good on WD. 3%? man, might as well not have it.

oh btw, poison darts?? i dunno man. but yeah, monks and wd have problems with RD mobs.
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Heres the thing:
To boost dps to the max any character in D3 hv to get the trifecta to the max .. in other characters IAS works in their favor in resource generation (attack faster = more hatred ... more attack = more crits = more disc for DH.. same thing for barb/monk/wiz) in WD's case ias is inversely proportional to their resource which is mana as highest dmg spell (ie Bears)cost a lot of mana to use. the faster WD attacks using Bears the faster they lose mana and apart from regen (which is slow) the 3 spell/attack to gain mana is low dmg and not even useful at all .. widowmaker > low dmg n need to use with VQ passive to be useful, spined dart > need to actually hit target to get mana (dh can shoot into thin air n still gain hatred lolz) .. Haunt > dot attack which also return mana over time. So u see the dilemma here for WD?

Regarding LS & RD .. the ONLY way WD can obtain higher LS on 1h + mojo setup is to use Spirit Barrage/Pheb spell (3% xtra LS) .. Pheb hv an ok dmg but its useful for single targets only. Whereas other chars can use 1 type of spell/pasives (Gloom .. Bloodthrist passive) to increase LS while choosing another type of attack to gain from that increase LS while picking the suitable attack/spell to cater to any situation (DH > large pack use Bola@BL .. single unit/boss use Cluster@EB .. Barb > WW for crowd .. HoTA for boss)

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somebody link me a good and strong witch doctor that can farm maybe MP5 and above?

i duno what skill built to use sia

items also duno wan stay with zunimassa full set or mempo + other item to increase my dps
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Jan 6 2013, 04:24 AM)
somebody link me a good and strong witch doctor that can farm maybe MP5 and above?

i duno what skill built to use sia

items also duno wan stay with zunimassa full set or mempo + other item to increase my dps
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i regularly do key runs on mp5-7 efficiently with minimal deaths.
With regards to gear setup, 1st of all it depends if you are 1h+mojo @ 2h (skorn) user. For 1h+mojo using low mana spell such as splinters@ghost bomb .. stack as much ias u can bcos u wont hv problem with mana (tal's armor + mempo + lacuni + witching hour). However if you are 2h user & Bears is your main dmg dealer ... u want minimal ias as possible (more ias = faster u run out of mana .. 0 mana = 0 dps) .. instead u want to stack on crit chance to make full use of Skorn high CHD. Bear in mind that to survive high mp & deal with RD packs u need Life Steal on your 2h wpn. Zuni full set works best with 2h setup since the +20 mana regen helps with spamming more bears.

This is my skill setup/build for mp5 and above using 2h wpn (Skorn with LS):

Left Mouse Button: Corpse Spiders/Widowmakers (mainly used for mana regen)
Right Mouse Button: Zombie Charger/Zombie Bears (main dmg dealer .. great at clearing large pack)
Keyboard 1: Spirit Walk/Honored Guest (multiple use ... mana regen, getting out of sticky situation, spam bears w/out getting dmg reflect)
Keyboard 2: Grasp of the Dead/Unbreakable Grasp (some dmg over time but main purpose is to keep mobs in one place so that its easy to hit using Bears)
Keyboard 3: Hex/Jinx (crowd control .. hexed unit get 20% more dmg ... great at killing tough elite boss @ key wardens)
Keyboard 4: Gargantuan/Bruiser (tanker + stun keep target in place to hit with Bears)
Passive 1: Vision Quest (sync with widowmaker to get 30% mana regen)
Passive 2: Spirit Vessel (2nd set of life to make sure u dont get 1-shotted)
Passive 3: Blood Ritual (spell will cost less mana so can spam Bears more)

Additional: For solo gameplay its adviseable to use Templar for 2nd Tanker (u dont need zdogs) .. equip him with Azurewrath + Star of Azkaranth amulet will enable him to freeze target most of the time (combination of Templar freeze + Garg stun .. provides u with 2 good tankers that can control mobs) .. Stormshield make him survive better . puzzle ring give more gobs (since templar is melee he get hits all the time so more chance of gob spawn from puzzle ring) .. Vitality Hellfire ring will give him huge health boost & u get xp bonus too. For relic get high vit + block chance + armor/all resist.

This build is pretty balance between survivability & damage. If u need to do speed farming for xp/gold/item on lower mp .. its better to use Gruesome Feast/Grave Injustice Combo + Soul Harvest to get huge dps boost .. Jaunt+Stalker for fastest MS .. Circle of Life+Sacrifice/Pride for free zdogs & elite killer/instant mana topup .. Acid Rain as main attack to 1-shot large group of white mobs.

I hvnt use 1h+mojo setup for quite some time now .. but if u need a good build for it .. i will equip myself with my socketed EF + mojo and try do some key runs using it .. will post a build for 1h+mojo later if need be.

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your equipment mostly got health and gold extra pickup radius somemore sweat.gif
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nice built bro  thumbup.gif

your equipment mostly got health and gold extra pickup radius somemore  sweat.gif
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hehe thanks smile.gif

if u use 1h + thing of the deep mojo u dont need pickup radius on other gears ... but since im using 2h i hv to get pickup radius on some of my other gears so that i can do speed farming efficiently ... lotsa gold just vacuum in lolz biggrin.gif

health is important if u going to do high mp .. 40-45k minimum .. getting 50k would be safer especially when facing tough elite packs or when doing ubers .. equally as important is your armor (3.5 - 4k recommended) also get high all resist (600 min .. the higher the better) .. personally i stack physical resist & some melee reduction% so i can tank better & deal with RD packs without losing too much health.
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finally i got 20 Pickup Radius liao...

can vacuum liao ni...

Gecko & lksing78, ytd nice game...

i need more DPS... sad.gif
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i regularly do key runs on mp5-7 efficiently with minimal deaths.
With regards to gear setup, 1st of all it depends if you are 1h+mojo @ 2h (skorn) user. For 1h+mojo using low mana spell such as splinters@ghost bomb .. stack as much ias u can bcos u wont hv problem with mana (tal's armor + mempo + lacuni + witching hour). However if you are 2h user & Bears is your main dmg dealer ... u want minimal ias as possible (more ias = faster u run out of mana .. 0 mana = 0 dps) .. instead u want to stack on crit chance to make full use of Skorn high CHD. Bear in mind that to survive high mp & deal with RD packs u need Life Steal on your 2h wpn. Zuni full set works best with 2h setup since the +20 mana regen helps with spamming more bears.

This is my skill setup/build for mp5 and above using 2h wpn (Skorn with LS):

Left Mouse Button: Corpse Spiders/Widowmakers (mainly used for mana regen)
Right Mouse Button: Zombie Charger/Zombie Bears (main dmg dealer .. great at clearing large pack)
Keyboard 1: Spirit Walk/Honored Guest (multiple use ... mana regen, getting out of sticky situation, spam bears w/out getting dmg reflect)
Keyboard 2: Grasp of the Dead/Unbreakable Grasp (some dmg over time but main purpose is to keep mobs in one place so that its easy to hit using Bears)
Keyboard 3: Hex/Jinx (crowd control .. hexed unit get 20% more dmg ... great at killing tough elite boss @ key wardens)
Keyboard 4: Gargantuan/Bruiser (tanker + stun keep target in place to hit with Bears)
Passive 1: Vision Quest (sync with widowmaker to get 30% mana regen)
Passive 2: Spirit Vessel (2nd set of life to make sure u dont get 1-shotted)
Passive 3: Blood Ritual (spell will cost less mana so can spam Bears more)

Additional: For solo gameplay its adviseable to use Templar for 2nd Tanker (u dont need zdogs) .. equip him with Azurewrath + Star of Azkaranth amulet will enable him to freeze target most of the time (combination of Templar freeze + Garg stun .. provides u with 2 good tankers that can control mobs) .. Stormshield make him survive better . puzzle ring give more gobs (since templar is melee he get hits all the time so more chance of gob spawn from puzzle ring) .. Vitality Hellfire ring will give him huge health boost & u get xp bonus too. For relic get high vit + block chance + armor/all resist.

This build is pretty balance between survivability & damage. If u need to do speed farming for xp/gold/item on lower mp .. its better to use Gruesome Feast/Grave Injustice Combo + Soul Harvest to get huge dps boost .. Jaunt+Stalker for fastest MS .. Circle of Life+Sacrifice/Pride for free zdogs & elite killer/instant mana topup .. Acid Rain as main attack to 1-shot large group of white mobs.

I hvnt use 1h+mojo setup for quite some time now .. but if u need a good build for it .. i will equip myself with my socketed EF + mojo and try do some key runs using it .. will post a build for 1h+mojo later if need be.

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Thank you so much! I printed this lolz really tongue.gif I'm a witch doctor noob
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really la. I haven't really used WD to farm lol
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Jan 8 2013, 11:07 AM)
really la. I haven't really used WD to farm lol
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lai lai i am quite boring solo...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jan 8 2013, 10:35 AM)
finally i got 20 Pickup Radius liao...

can vacuum liao ni...

Gecko & lksing78, ytd nice game...

i need more DPS... sad.gif
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Nvm ...I don mine ...cause WD have a lot of buff and status effect to mobs..i like thumbup.gif
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Nvm ...I don mine ...cause WD have a lot of buff and status effect to mobs..i like  thumbup.gif
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come kasi up ur wd la... then we do uber mp9 and mp10...

wd team... tongue.gif
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cannot leh...don wan to spend too much on WD.
due to limited resources =_='

now have 100k dps de....need to up ehp and maintain dps...fuhhhh pain mah.
need to mine more gold...



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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jan 8 2013, 10:35 AM)
finally i got 20 Pickup Radius liao...

can vacuum liao ni...

Gecko & lksing78, ytd nice game...

i need more DPS... sad.gif
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haha mp9 ubers with 3 WD + 1 DH .. i was worried we hit enrage lolz .. but sky wd is so powderful it was a success .. i had to lose inna pants and use rare pants to get vit up to 63k lolz .. we shud try 4 WD uber party next time
i oso need dps boost .. 1.4k LS Skorn will cost me a fortune sad.gif
QUOTE(metalfreak @ Jan 8 2013, 10:46 AM)
Thank you so much! I printed this lolz really  I'm a witch doctor noob
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hehe yw .. its not the best build but after try n error .. i find dat build pretty balanced and quite fast to do high mp with minimal deaths ... for speed farm & para lvling ask Henry .. he now sifu of speed runs tongue.gif

QUOTE(lksing78 @ Jan 8 2013, 11:33 AM)
Nvm ...I don mine ...cause WD have a lot of buff and status effect to mobs..i like  thumbup.gif
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haha u like to see white oink (sry my bad hehe) running around & shoot like machine gun when voodoo is on biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 8 2013, 01:47 PM)
haha mp9 ubers with 3 WD + 1 DH .. i was worried we hit enrage lolz .. but sky wd is so powderful it was a success .. i had to lose inna pants and use rare pants to get vit up to 63k lolz .. we shud try 4 WD uber party next time
i oso need dps boost .. 1.4k LS Skorn will cost me a fortune  sad.gif

hehe yw .. its not the best build but after try n error .. i find dat build pretty balanced and quite fast to do high mp with minimal deaths ... for speed farm & para lvling ask Henry .. he now sifu of speed runs  tongue.gif
haha u like to see white pigs running around & shoot like machine gun when voodoo is on  biggrin.gif
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strong word...i like oink oink better rclxms.gif

i didn't know that kulle turn into oink oink..i was searchin for him on the map..but he's gone...lol
cause i wan to mark him so we can do 12% more dmg..and oink oink is 20% right...so we can have 32% more dmg done rclxms.gif

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sky's wd really imba, 0 death... 83K HP he got and he tanked MP9 SB alone...

really jeles see his build... rasa pinjam his gear and kill Ghom MP10 see see... tongue.gif
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Zuni Helm
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Any Worth?
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Zuni Helm
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- 11% life
- 143 Max Man
- CC to Acid cloud 4%
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Any Worth?
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low vit and slightly low Acid Cloud %...

most expensive zuni mask is with critical chance...

the price is crazy... doh.gif
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Hi fellow WDs,

Hit me up in game if you wanna farm smile.gif

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Let's talk about bears and suicide dogs build.

What are the gears we need and the skill setup.

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Let's talk about bears and suicide dogs build.

What are the gears we need and the skill setup.

Gecko
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1st thing 1st... the 0cd dogs leave the globes... if the owner took the globes, our Gruesome Feast will stack???

coz i no use gruesome feast ytd... if the globes can give us 10% INT and MANA, then got chance wor...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jan 9 2013, 04:13 PM)
1st thing 1st... the 0cd dogs leave the globes... if the owner took the globes, our Gruesome Feast will stack???

coz i no use gruesome feast ytd... if the globes can give us 10% INT and MANA, then got chance wor...
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This i'm not sure since i have not encountered 2 party members using suicide dogs.

I just bought a skorn and an amulet.
Going to replace the helm and a ring too.
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Let's talk about bears and suicide dogs build.

What are the gears we need and the skill setup.

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Personally i hvnt tried 0cd dogs build .. i've only tried reduced cd zdog (giyua + homunculus + grasp + tribal rites passive) .. few things i noticed:
1) using reduced cd zdog gear will result it lower dps (homunculus vs ukh, giyua vs vision/mempo, grasp vs rare/hf rings)
2) sacrifice dmg will be also much lower as a result
3) in PvE (non ubers) time taken for zdog to "hug" intended target cant be outright controlled (as opposed to aiming using other spell) ... the fastest way i found to get zdog close to intended target is to cast a bit far from mobs (avoiding zdog to engage non intended targets) then SW as close as u can to intended target so ur zdog will "teleported" next to it (u need to be at quite a distant for the zdogs to be tele)
4) pros: huge health replenish/healing (24k) .. free health globes for party members

The way i see it 0cd build is useful/easier to use n target in ubers (benefit party as a whole i,e health globes) .. MAYBE will be imba in PvP

Gears for 0cd:
- Homunculus: max 20 sec cd
- Visage of Giyua: max 9 sec cd
- Mara's Kaleidoscope: max 8 sec cd
- Skull Grasp: max 7 sec cd
- Stone of Jordan: max 8 sec cd
Tribal Rites passive will give 11.25 sec cd

Base cd for summon zdog is 45 sec however bear in mind that it takes 2 casts & animation frames for those are roughly: sacrifice+explosion (4th dog exploded) = 1,12 seconds (figures taken from a wd player findings in another forum). Also u hv to take into account the travel time taken for the zdog to engage/hug intended target.
If u take into account 1 sec casting and Jaunt (3 sec) ... getting 4/5cd is sufficient to constantly use zdog/sac. Basically after using tribal rites, u need another 30 sec cd from other gears.
The highest dps obtainable is if u dont use Homunculus but 20 sec cd is pretty huge. Giyua is pretty decent to use since it gives AR + high intel + mana regen, So is Mara since it has fixed main stat + AR + 3 random rolls (can get trifecta if u r rich lolz) .. SoJ also wont compromise your real dps too much.
Easiest combo is Homunculus + Giyua but it will compromise your total dps. Imho best combo would be Giyua + Mara + SoJ + Grasp

Skill setup:
Must hv active skill would be summon zdog/final gift & sacrifice/for the master. For passive skill, Tribal Rites & Zombie Handler.
Other useful skills, perhaps Grasp of the Dead/Unbreakable Grasp (to keep target in place) .. Wall of Zombies/Unrelenting Grip could also be useful to slow down enemy & stop enemy from getting close to u while making it easier for zdog to hug target.

Anyways .. current price of reduce zdog cd is ridiculously high which makes it a huge investment to even consider (for me at least). For those who want to give it a try can spend a reasonable budget by getting Homunculus & Giyua (2 of the cheapest reduce zdog cd gears) b4 depleting your bank balance on mara/soj.

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The Mara and SoJ pages are so long....it's like finding a needle in a haystack as you need to hover on EACH item.

Other than Giyua, you can have rare helm for the 9 sec cd. I think I picked up one but the other stats are rubbish though.

Sample: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Bata-2162/hero/810700

Pretty high paper DPS of 166K
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 10 2013, 02:02 AM)
The Mara and SoJ pages are so long....it's like finding a needle in a haystack as you need to hover on EACH item.

Other than Giyua, you can have rare helm for the 9 sec cd. I think I picked up one but the other stats are rubbish though.

Sample: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Bata-2162/hero/810700

Pretty high paper DPS of 166K
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Paper DPS is the key word here
That setup have lots of ias gears: 9%(gloves) + 9%(TWH) + 9%(Tal's Chest) + 9%(Lacuni)
Those ias gears are the main reason for the high paper dps BUT ask yourself this .. does Sacrifice benefit from ias? afaik low mana primary attacks like Splinters & Ghost Bomb do benefit from ias .. i dont see how ias can increase Sac damage tho.
Stacking avg dmg is the way to go if u r using Sacrifice to obtain the most real dps.
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 10 2013, 05:59 AM)
Paper DPS is the key word here
That setup have lots of ias gears: 9%(gloves) + 9%(TWH) + 9%(Tal's Chest) + 9%(Lacuni)
Those ias gears are the main reason for the high paper dps BUT ask yourself this .. does Sacrifice benefit from ias? afaik low mana primary attacks like Splinters & Ghost Bomb do benefit from ias .. i dont see how ias can increase Sac damage tho.
Stacking avg dmg is the way to go if u r using Sacrifice to obtain the most real dps.
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I think stacking up the IAS is for the fast attack for the zombie dogs.
For suicide dog build, without IAS, the paper DPS is about 80-100K.
Mainly due to the use of mojo and voodoo mask.

I have almost completed my bears build. I can spam bears now and have my EHP increased by 130K (d3up).
I need to get a Zuni mojo (with zombie charge resource cost reduction).
Bought a skorn and don't really like it. Killed many times due to the slow attack speed.
I switch back to EF+mojo combo. Work very well so far.

P/S I give up the suicide dog build due to the cost is way way too high. It can cost billions of gold.

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for my experience, avg dmg very very important for Suicide Dogs dmg...

i did not have 0cd suicide dogs but i did test the dmg delivered by the dogs...

no matter how fast my attack speed, the dmg still low...

once i changed gear from IAS to XX-XX, my paper dps drop yes, but my dogs really can kill big white mobs...

tht's my experience...

tht's different story from bears build...

bears players will have 1 primary and 1 bears...

tht's why IAS is very important for Widow or GB or PD...

my non lyn fren, he got very high attack speed, i think 2.x, widow + bears...

the widow heal him very fast due to he throw 2 jars of widow in 1 second...

tht's how he tank, he only got Jousting Mail (4xx LOH) and Manajuma Knife (3% LS)...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jan 10 2013, 09:44 AM)
for my experience, avg dmg very very important for Suicide Dogs dmg...

i did not have 0cd suicide dogs but i did test the dmg delivered by the dogs...

no matter how fast my attack speed, the dmg still low...

once i changed gear from IAS to XX-XX, my paper dps drop yes, but my dogs really can kill big white mobs...

tht's my experience...

tht's different story from bears build...

bears players will have 1 primary and 1 bears...

tht's why IAS is very important for Widow or GB or PD...

my non lyn fren, he got very high attack speed, i think 2.x, widow + bears...

the widow heal him very fast due to he throw 2 jars of widow in 1 second...

tht's how he tank, he only got Jousting Mail (4xx LOH) and Manajuma Knife (3% LS)...
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But mana runs out fast if you have high IAS.

I found I can't do well in MP9/10 if I remove the passive, jungle fortitude.
Do you guys encounter the same?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 10 2013, 09:50 AM)
But mana runs out fast if you have high IAS.

I found I can't do well in MP9/10 if I remove the passive, jungle fortitude.
Do you guys encounter the same?
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there is a way to almost unlimited mana regen...

Passive: Vision Quest, Rush of Essence

Skill: Haunt/Draining Spirit, Spirit Barricade/The Spirit is Willing, Corpse Spider or Fire Bomb <--- for VQ trigger

the rest u can matching urself... like Spirit Walk/Honored Guest

^ these i copy from China player, how they unlimited mana to spam bears...


yes i also got this issue, jungle fortitude is need if u don have high armor... i see people drop it and use Horrify/Frightening Aspect...

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oh ya almost forgot this... maybe useful for 4 wd mp10 uber:

QUOTE(HenryLow @ Nov 12 2012, 05:11 PM)
it's more like WD Freeze Tank

ok found the build:

Overall needed:
Freeze on Hit 20%++
Armor 5,000++
HP 70,000++
Attack Speed 2.0++
Block Chance 25%++
Life on Hit 1,000++

Main Weapon: Azurewrath (FoH 10%+)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;agc!baaYYb

and more geng one is Freeze Tanker with 0CD Suice Dogs...

IMBA!!!

oh ya u need pickup radius for this... smile.gif
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idk about other players experience using Skorn & Bears as main dmg dealer on high mp but in my case .. the most important thing is to ensure u always hv mana to keep spamming bears ... as long as u hv mana u will hv steady stream of bears delivering high dmg (more so for crits) .. during Ubers even on mp10 i dont go OOM as long as i manage my mana well i.e always keep VQ up (just throw 1 widowmaker then back to spamming bears), when mana @ health dip below 25% i will pop SW/HG to hv 2 sec of invulnerability + mana regen. Minimum of 40% CC is required to ensure u crit most of the time .. its those crit dmg that replenish your health pool fast. Stacking ias to get faster attack using bears is not recommended as u will run out of mana faster. My build gets mana regen just from Zuni full set, VQ passive, a lil bit from widowmaker hit & Blood Ritual passive (to reduce mana cost of bears) .. i prolly shud try get a SoJ with bears reduce cost to make it more efficient.
However if u use 1h+mojo it will be more practical stacking ias as base 1h wpn speed is alrdy fast so u prolly do dmg at a faster rate using widowmaker & bears whenever u hv mana. For 2h user like me, widowmaker is just to keep VQ up (i dont even depend on mana return from widowmaker hits or its dmg) .. keeping a constant stream of bears provide the best dmg output imho.
Anyways i like to point out that to be able to stand in middle of fight (while spamming bears) and take some hits without dying too fast, its best to stack physical resist & some melee reduction% .. elemental dmg such as mortars, arcane sentry, molten etc u need to do some kiting and use SW to get out of tight position.
To answer Aleune's question .. i stopped using JF passive ever since i switch to 2h (used it back when i use EF + ToTD) .. for ubers n high mp key runs i use VQ, BR & SV .. low mp speed farming i switch to VQ, GF, GI.

@Henry
I've used the freeze build in Ubers b4 and i think it will work on mp6 n below ... for mp7 and above ur dps is too low (due to using Azurewrath) to do any real dmg & u will be doing freeze with vry low dmg output. However the freeze build make u almost "untouchable" lolz

My thoughts regarding 4 WD doing mp10 ubers:
- all 4 WD must be able to do burst dmg using Bears
- since no barb @ monk to tank .. all WD use garg/bruiser bcos i think 4 garg doing stun will be the best tanker .. restless giant will give more dmg but the cooldown is too long.
- 3 WD use slamdance (1 min of dps boost total with 1 min cooldown) & another WD use Hex/Jinx to keep Kulle preoccupied ... instead of killing Kulle 1st .. its best to kill SB 1st since hard to stay within slamdance AoE to be used on Kulle (he moves n teleports). 1h+mojo users might want to try use SB/Pheb to dps SB (to counter against SB's RD)

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 10 2013, 01:23 PM)
@Henry
I've used the freeze build in Ubers b4 and i think it will work on mp6 n below ... for mp7 and above ur dps is too low (due to using Azurewrath) to do any real dmg & u will be doing freeze with vry low dmg output. However the freeze build make u almost "untouchable" lolz

My thoughts regarding 4 WD doing mp10 ubers:
- all 4 WD must be able to do burst dmg using Bears
- since no barb @ monk to tank .. all WD use garg/bruiser bcos i think 4 garg doing stun will be the best tanker .. restless giant will give more dmg but the cooldown is too long.
- 3 WD use slamdance (1 min of dps boost total with 1 min cooldown) & another WD use Hex/Jinx to keep Kulle preoccupied ... instead of killing Kulle 1st .. its best to kill SB 1st since hard to stay within slamdance AoE to be used on Kulle (he moves n teleports). 1h+mojo users might want to try use SB/Pheb to dps SB (to counter against SB's RD)
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I think it's not so easy to take down SB because the damage reflection is pretty high, especially if you want to spam bears.
Besides, SB doesn't give you one-blow during enrage timer.
IMO, better kill ZK first.

I'm looking forward to another MP10 uber party.
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i think we really need 1 wd to do freeze... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jan 10 2013, 06:06 PM)
i think we really need 1 wd to do freeze... tongue.gif
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The most important thing is, freeze or not, we need to tapau uber bosses before the enrage timer.
This is what we failed to do in the last game.
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The most important thing is, freeze or not, we need to tapau uber bosses before the enrage timer.
This is what we failed to do in the last game.
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Tht is bcoz we keep running around, we cant even focus attack...
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very interesting built for WD MP 10 from this guy built http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TurkNuk...82/hero/1166024

unlimited zombie dogs spam + scoundriel which has high percentages to freeze

somewhat CM wiz-ish type
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hi guys, what do you fellow WDs feel about increased attack speed? does it just increase paper dps? does it increase my minion attackspeeed?

im actually running a build whereby my "hounds of hell" are used as mini-tanks + minor dps.
not really a fan of the 0 zombie dog build as i find it frustrating when the dogs dont group up correctly or find their own mobs, so when i sacrifice, the damage isnt really 1000% as calculated on paper tongue.gif

Heres my profile, any sifus here also can suggest what to upgrade next would be greately appreciated
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hi guys, what do you fellow WDs feel about increased attack speed? does it just increase paper dps? does it increase my minion attackspeeed?

im actually running a build whereby my "hounds of hell" are used as mini-tanks + minor dps.
not really a fan of the 0 zombie dog build as i find it frustrating when the dogs dont group up correctly or find their own mobs, so when i sacrifice, the damage isnt really 1000% as calculated on paper tongue.gif

Heres my profile, any sifus here also can suggest what to upgrade next would be greately appreciated
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WD is bound by the skill that deliver burst damage, you go either bears or suicide dogs.
Others are not going to work (in high MP, i.e. MP10).

So, bears... you don't need IAS at all.
Dogs, you can stack IAS since it doesn't have high consumption of mana.

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QUOTE(MightySmiter @ Jan 11 2013, 10:08 AM)
hi guys, what do you fellow WDs feel about increased attack speed? does it just increase paper dps? does it increase my minion attackspeeed?

im actually running a build whereby my "hounds of hell" are used as mini-tanks + minor dps.
not really a fan of the 0 zombie dog build as i find it frustrating when the dogs dont group up correctly or find their own mobs, so when i sacrifice, the damage isnt really 1000% as calculated on paper tongue.gif

Heres my profile, any sifus here also can suggest what to upgrade next would be greately appreciated
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If most of the time u use Ghost Bomb to deal dmg & only on ocassion use Bears for elite pack .. there's no harm to stack more ias on your gears .. GB will benefit from more ias but using bears with high ias will drain your mana super fast .. so imho available gear upgrades for u wont be cheap hehe
Try to get full zuni set .. +20 mana regen from full set bonus will help u spam more bears .. zuni vision will give lots of health & bigger mana pool .. pox will give u AR + CHD
The upgrades i would recommend to get most ias & still maintain zuni full set:
- Get Tal's chest with either high vit roll @ AR roll (quite expensive for AR roll) .. u gain more ias & elemental dmg bonus from 2 Tal set
- Zuni Vision with CC, Zuni Pox with CC @ IAS (trifecta will cost a bomb), Zuni Skull with CC + reduced Bears skill
- Lacuni with CC to get ias & 24% MS
- u might also change Jousting Mail to a high armor rare pants with 1xx intel, 2xx vit, 7x AR, 2 sock .. since u r not using RoT @ Acid Rain, LoH from Jousting Mail wont benefit u much.

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Can try this site for Proctor build

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004696095


TIPS FOR A FINE SEARCH ON AH

There is a very well kept secret about how to display only the ring that you are interested in : the jordan stone or the skull grasp with ZD CD reduction.
Just do NOT select 'ring' as a sub category of armor. Then select the affix about ZD CD reduction. Choose legendary as the type of item, then select another class than WD (to take out any voodoo helmet). This will net you only the rings or amulets that you are looking for.
Finally if you want only a skull grasp or a jordan stone, you may select a very particular affix that defines each of them... But I'll let you figure this one out smile.gif


I tried selecting another class, it doesn't work but the rest worked perfectly:

- Stone of Jordan
Search bonus vs elite + skill that you want

- Mara Kaleidoscope
Search str, dex, int + skill that you want

- Skull grasp
Search ias, LoH + skill that you want

- Visage of Giyua
Search 170 int, has sockets, AR + skill that you want

Hope that helps all WD players here!

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 12 2013, 01:52 PM)
Can try this site for Proctor build

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004696095
TIPS FOR A FINE SEARCH ON AH

There is a very well kept secret about how to display only the ring that you are interested in : the jordan stone or the skull grasp with ZD CD reduction.
Just do NOT select 'ring' as a sub category of armor. Then select the affix about ZD CD reduction. Choose legendary as the type of item, then select another class than WD (to take out any voodoo helmet). This will net you only the rings or amulets that you are looking for.
Finally if you want only a skull grasp or a jordan stone, you may select a very particular affix that defines each of them... But I'll let you figure this one out smile.gif
I tried selecting another class, it doesn't work but the rest worked perfectly:

- Stone of Jordan
Search bonus vs elite + skill that you want

- Mara Kaleidoscope
Search str, dex, int + skill that you want

- Skull grasp
Search ias, LoH + skill that you want

- Visage of Giyua
Search 170 int, has sockets, AR + skill that you want

Hope that helps all WD players here!
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I know how to search for these items. The problem is the gold i have.
The ZD CD SoJ is priced at few hundred millions. This is only one piece of gear.

Your DPS will drop drastically. You many need to replace many gears to push up DPS & even IAS.
ZD build is going to cost billions of gold. sweat.gif

Honestly speaking, if you don't have issue with spending billions on gears, ZD WD is very very good in WD party.
Excellent supportive player in WD party.
1) Keep supplying life & mana (with GF passive). Meaning you can perma-spam your bears.
2) RD doesn't hurt as much when you are consistently healed by health globes.

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what do u mean by "gearing service" actually?
tips/suggestion on how to gear wd?
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what do u mean by "gearing service" actually?
tips/suggestion on how to gear wd?
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I also need kind advice.. to build a WD for fast farming A3 MP0-1, how much the cost?

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I also need kind advice.. to build a WD for fast farming A3 MP0-1, how much the cost?
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There's 2 options to consider, either 1h+ mojo @ 2h setup. Personally I'm leaning towards 2h setup as its slightly cheaper (buying just one 2h wpn compared to 1h & a mojo) plus 2h setup will offer more dmg if u plan to do speed farming on low mp.

Either way .. aim to get 3 piece of zuni set (for intel & AR bonus, mana regen bonus wont be a big advantage on low mp games)
- Zuni Trail provides 12% MS & dps boost (AR roll is the most expensive.. try to get physical resist@armor & pickup radius if u're going 2h .. MF@GF roll is also useful if u're low para lvl)
- Zuni Vision provides more health & mana (CC roll is the best but expensive .. try get 2xx intel, for the random roll get mana regen @ increase critical chance to Acid Cloud)
- Zuni Pox provides AR & CHD (trifecta cost a bomb, CC@ias roll quite expensive .. for the 3 random roll consider physical resist if u alrdy get them on other gears, LoH, Life% is also nice as it will stack up with the one on Vision)
- Zuni Marrow provides AR (best roll is reduced dmg from elites ... reduced dmg from melee would also work, so will armor @ physical res)
Things to consider: str roll > dex roll as str will add armor which enable u take more hits. Trail & Vision is pretty cheap these days .. Pox & Marrow can be slightly more expensive depending on the rolls u get on those.

Other legendary gears to consider:
- Tyreals Might .. personally i use this for my own speed farming as it gives MS (so i dont need lacuni @ inna pants to get 24 MS) and most importantly it boost ur real dps (not char sheet dps) considerably due to its %dmg against demons & %dmg against elites (Act 3 is 70-80% demons) .. get 19x intel (2xx roll is more expensive), at least 2 sockets & 10-15% dmg against demons.
- Visage of Giyua .. a single item that can give u high AR & most importantly high CC .. go for CC roll + CC to Acid Cloud (10% min CC after u combine both .. max CC obtainable is 14%)
- Sever if ure going 1h+mojo setup for that high %dmg against demons .. open socket is best roll to get .. LoH would be another roll to consider.
- Sun Keeper is another option for 1h+mojo setup for its high MF & %dmg against elites ... get at least 9xx dps .. random roll to consider same as Sever.

2h setup:
Get a high dps Skorn (at least 13xx) with high CHD (150% min) & Bleed Chance .. u dnt need LS on low mp .. LoH however is good to hv but u can easily stack LoH on other gears.
Use Giyua to get high CC ... u can 1-shot entire pack of white mobs using Acid Rain with high CC .. u need xtra CC from Giyua since u lose CC from mojo.
U need to get pickup radius on 3 gears (min of 6 PR each) .. rare shoulder, rare gloves & rare bracers is my recommendation for cheapest budget.

1h setup:
Thing of the Deep mojo will give u +20 pickup radius so its a must .. get at least 200 avg dmg & vit roll if possible
Use Tyreal to get extra dmg.
For weapon .. either go with Sever @ Sun Keeper but if you're going for rare 1h .. get a Spear (low attack speed will ensure u wont burn mana fast & it has high min-max dmg) .. open socket & base CHD is a must .. u wont need LS on low mp but LoH is good to get.
Stack as much avg dmg on jewelry

Build/Skill Setup:
The best build for speed farming on low mp imho is Acid Rain (to clear large pack of white mobs fast) with Jaunt+Stalker (for max mobility) & CoL+Sacrifice (for free zdog + free mana + elite pack killer) .. Grueseome Feast + Grave Injustice passive combo will ensure cooldown on skill while providing mana regen + dps boost.
I already posted something regarding this farming build few pages back if ure interested to read it.

p/s: i hv an extra set of full Zuni + some other weapons/mojo etc if someone is interested in getting them ... feel free to browse AH 1st to see how much u can get those for then offer me a price smile.gif

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thanks.. i feel so fun summon bear to bully mobs in Hell mode.. hope can do same in MP0-1 A3 Inferno..

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thanks.. i feel so fun summon bear to bully mobs in Hell mode.. hope can do same in MP0-1 A3 Inferno..
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then you need the ZR reduction -12 on mojo, max mana on head & knife brows.gif

@Gecko how many LoH is needed for MP3? 2k LoH ok ka?
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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 14 2013, 09:35 AM)
thanks.. i feel so fun summon bear to bully mobs in Hell mode.. hope can do same in MP0-1 A3 Inferno..
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WD, either bears or suicide dogs.
You can pretty much forget about other skills since they do not have the burst damage in high MP.

To spam the bears with "infinite" mana,
1) Passive skill, vision quest + blood ritual

2) Active skill, Corpse Spier / Widowmakers

3) Gears, full set Zuni (to have 20 mana regeneration/sec) + 14 mana regeneration (from any gear) + SoJ (with zombie charge reduction cost) + skorn (Why skorn? The best 2H with CD & socket + at least 5.5% LS)

With bears build, farming should be ezpz up to MP7.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 14 2013, 10:03 AM)
WD, either bears or suicide dogs.
You can pretty much forget about other skills since they do not have the burst damage in high MP.

To spam the bears with "infinite" mana,
1) Passive skill, vision quest + blood ritual

2) Active skill, Corpse Spier / Widowmakers

3) Gears, full set Zuni (to have 20 mana regeneration/sec) + 14 mana regeneration (from any gear) + SoJ (with zombie charge reduction cost) + skorn (Why skorn? The best 2H with CD & socket + at least 5.5% LS)

With bears build, farming should be ezpz up to MP7.
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i give u gold + commission and help me build WD can? rclxms.gif .. lazy to stalk in AH.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 14 2013, 11:10 AM)
i give u gold + commission and help me build WD can?  rclxms.gif  .. lazy to stalk in AH.. biggrin.gif
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No need to spend too much time @ AH.

Do you have budget?
You know, Zuni set (4-piece, Vision/Marrow/Pox/Trail) can be in the range of millions to billions. laugh.gif
Skorn, decent one, 15-60m.
SoJ, 10-100m, depends on bonus vs elite & X number of mana reduction for zombie charger.
Amulet/belt/bracer/gloves/vile ward can get in 50m (cheaper as you don't need IAS%).
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 14 2013, 11:31 AM)
No need to spend too much time @ AH.

Do you have budget?
You know, Zuni set (4-piece, Vision/Marrow/Pox/Trail) can be in the range of millions to billions.  laugh.gif
Skorn, decent one, 15-60m.
SoJ, 10-100m, depends on bonus vs elite & X number of mana reduction for zombie charger.
Amulet/belt/bracer/gloves/vile ward can get in 50m (cheaper as you don't need IAS%).
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as stated above, i onli looking for fast farming A3 MP0-1 onli.. from Gecko guide, i think some gears i already have..i have billion but will not spent all on WD..

btw WD don need IAS? really.. so stack onli avg dmg, cc and CD?

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as stated above, i onli looking for fast farming A3 MP0-1 onli.. from Gecko guide, i think some gears i already have..i have billion but will not spent all on WD..

btw WD don need IAS? really.. so stack onli avg dmg, cc and CD?
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For MP0-1, acid rain can get the job done.

As you already have some gears, what are the gears you need?

If you want to have bears build, you don't need IAS.
If you go for suicide dogs, you need to stack IAS. Faster the dogs explode, the more you get your life & mana (through heath globes, passive & active skills).

P/S For normal build, acid rain/RoT/Poison dart/Firebomb etc, IAS helps.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 14 2013, 11:43 AM)
For MP0-1, acid rain can get the job done.

As you already have some gears, what are the gears you need?

If you want to have bears build, you don't need IAS.
If you go for suicide dogs, you need to stack IAS. Faster the dogs explode, the more you get your life & mana (through heath globes, passive & active skills).
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i need Vodoo, offhand, chest, 2 ring, boot, bracer, pant (maybe will use my Inna for MS)... a lot biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

gear i have are weapon, glove, amulet.

weapon (mace=spear as guide from Gecko) and glove (CC, AR, Vit) i use on barb, amulet from monk (LoH, avg dmg, cc)

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jan 14 2013, 09:55 AM)
then you need the ZR reduction -12 on mojo, max mana on head & knife brows.gif

@Gecko how many LoH is needed for MP3? 2k LoH ok ka?
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If u r using RoT, Acid Rain or any other DoT (damage over time) WD spell .. arnd 1k LoH is sufficient for fast health replenish .. however bears do not benefit from LoH .. so if u encounter RD packs .. use Bears only when SW is up and RoT in between .. mp3 n below shud be no problem (i think with new changes to RD in 1.07, LS is not so important for WD unless ure building a tank/panzer build). On higher mp (7 & above) once u get ur dps to 100k n above .. LS will shine using bears .. u can deal massive dmg & at the same time leech back lots of health.

QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 14 2013, 11:51 AM)
i need Vodoo, offhand, chest, 2 ring, boot, bracer, pant (maybe will use my Inna for MS)... a lot  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

gear i have are weapon, glove, amulet.

weapon (mace=spear as guide from Gecko) and glove (CC, AR, Vit) i use on barb, amulet from monk (LoH, avg dmg, cc)

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high end Zuni set (vision with cc, pox with cc/ias, marrow with 2xx vit, trail with AR) can reach billions but low end Zuni set to just do speed farming on low mp will only cost few millions .. dont spend more than 20m imho. As ive said i got a spare full zuni set if ure interested biggrin.gif
Voodoo Mask i highly suggest get a low intel, mid cc + high cc to acid cloud Visage of Giyua .. for low lvl mp Acid Rain is really great .. budget around 5-7m for that Giyua @ u can use Vision with cc to acid cloud roll (cc roll on Vision can be expensive compared to cc to acid cloud) if u dont use Tyreals
Offhand .. ofc u need ToTD if going 1h+mojo .. can get a decent 1 below 5m
Boots .. Zuni Trail is a must .. 3-5m max for Trail without AR.
Bracers .. any rare with CC, intel/vit, AR ... wont cost much i think
Pants ... Jousting Mail for LoH n some xtra MF (i hv plenty of unused JM pants too lolz)
Ring .. HF ring + low end Unity shud be good

All my recommendations are based on ur need to do low mp farming .. for higher mp farming its a different story altogether hehe
Add me in-game @ Hulkie#6526 & i can show u those unused WD items i hv smile.gif

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 14 2013, 12:49 PM)
Add me in-game @ Hulkie#6526 & i can show u those unused WD items i hv  smile.gif
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Hope can help for wd party , this video make me want to roll a wd tongue.gif


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Hope can help for wd party , this video make me want to roll a wd  tongue.gif

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come..come.. rclxms.gif
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come..come.. rclxms.gif
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Zombie dog build isnt cheap i think, coz i notice something like skull grasp with reduce cooldown of zombie dog all very expensive 1 even roll with dex or stg . 70m budget with me sure way not enuf laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Jan 14 2013, 03:21 PM)
Zombie dog build isnt cheap i think, coz i notice something like skull grasp with reduce cooldown of zombie dog all very expensive 1 even roll with dex or stg . 70m budget with me sure way not enuf  laugh.gif
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I think its arnd 100m minimum to get 0cd dog gears biggrin.gif

Checkout Turknukem's 0cd dog mp10 solo gameplay where he combines it with Scoundrel freeze.


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^^ that mojo exp ?
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^^ that mojo exp ?
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Homunculus -19 is 80 mil and above

SoJ -7 is 100 mil and above

Aih, giving up on 0cd zdogs for now. Focusing on zombie bears

IMHO ias do play a role in bears. Effect is significant especially in ubers. If you are using Skorn, your bears rate is slow. If you using 1h + mojo, your bears can come out very fast

This is important as bears animation is slow. If your AS is slow, the bears will also slow. For smart enemies like succubbus or shaman, they will run away after you cast the bears so speed plays a role too

Tips for 1h mojo bears:
- stack up on cc and chd. AS 9% enough
- if you stand with your back against a wall, your bears will come out in a straight line. Great for ubers or elites
- using widowmakers, honored guest, VQ/Spiritual attunement and blood ritual will greatly enhance the bear rates

When fighting SB über, I stand against the wall then spam bears in straight line. When mana is half or little less than half, I SW/HG. Hold down the bear button while doing all this. You will get around 8-9 cast worth of bears

My friend WD got 200+ k dps but he use tal Rasha chest and lacuni. Also got ias in rings/gloves I think

He can crit bears around 2.5 mil but his mana regen is low even with SW/HG.

In the end you have to balance speed and dps lor. I prefer things to be thick and fast. The 1h mojo build is very similar to Ice/Lightning sorceress in diablo2 so I love it more than Skorn.

My 2 cents

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Hope can help for wd party , this video make me want to roll a wd  tongue.gif

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There is a CM Wiz in the game.
The game play is totally different.

4 WDs party can't freeze the uber bosses.
We need to run and attack again.

Please roll a WD. We need you. laugh.gif
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^^ that mojo exp ?
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The most expensive is the SoJ ring.
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As for me, I can't fathom the gameplay mechanics of wd hence not able to commit myself. Furthermore, I'm not truly fond of getting pets to deal fatal damage to targets.

This is just me, no offence meant to wd fans.
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As for me, I can't fathom the gameplay mechanics of wd hence not able to commit myself. Furthermore, I'm not truly fond of getting pets to deal fatal damage to targets.

This is just me, no offence meant to wd fans.
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Noooooo... please build a bear WD. thumbup.gif
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can zombie bear hybrid with suicide dog ?
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im an ex wd user but would love to build a zombie bear set so guys could u give me a bit of tips wad to avoid n which stuff to stress on? previous post when i ask bout gearing service meaning i give u gold n u gear for me from AH with service fee tat u charge. not an expert in AH anyway.
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but anyway if nobody is doing tat its ok...im still learning as well hopefully can make a powerful zombie bear build....so hopefully sifus here can teach me a few tips...
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can zombie bear hybrid with suicide dog ?
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in theory it can be done but quite hard since requirement for each build is different:
suicide dog favors ias & doesnt need mana/mana regen
zombie bear doesnt need ias & needs mana/mana regen

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:09 PM)
im an ex wd user but would love to build a zombie bear set so guys could u give me a bit of tips wad to avoid n which stuff to stress on? previous post when i ask bout gearing service meaning i give u gold n u gear for me from AH with service fee tat u charge. not an expert in AH anyway.
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It would help if u give more details such as:
- which mp (highest) u plan to play/do farming
- what kind of budget u hv to spend
- u plan to go 1h+mojo @ 2h

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 14 2013, 11:29 PM)
in theory it can be done but quite hard since requirement for each build is different:
suicide dog favors ias & doesnt need mana/mana regen
zombie bear doesnt need ias & needs mana/mana regen
It would help if u give more details such as:
- which mp (highest) u plan to play/do farming
- what kind of budget u hv to spend
- u plan to go 1h+mojo @ 2h
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mostly i farm at mp1 for xp n loot farming and also for FUN. but like my barb i can tank in mp10 alone n uber as well...but then again i prefer to farm in mp1-3 jus for fun...budget mayb around 500m. 1h mojo or 2h depends on which suited more with zb build
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my current wd sucks...i build it from a 10m budget...haha.....jus for fun...cant even farm in mp1 efficiently.
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also i wanted to know if zombie bears build can also include acid cloud skill...gonna need a lot of mana n faster mana regen build
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QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:49 PM)
mostly i farm at mp1 for xp n loot farming and also for FUN. but like my barb i can tank in mp10 alone n uber as well...but then again i prefer to farm in mp1-3 jus for fun...budget mayb around 500m. 1h mojo or 2h depends on which suited more with zb build
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500m is quite a lot .. for that amount of budget u can build a WD that can farm high mp.
2h & 1mojo both hv their pros & cons .. personally i prefer 2h since 2h wpn (esp Skorn) hv very high base dmg which results in higher crit dmg per hit .. slower attack speed of 2h also favors Bears since it wont burn mana too fast .. i'll go into pros & cons of each maybe tomorrow .. its alrdy late n i need to sleep biggrin.gif

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:50 PM)
my current wd sucks...i build it from a 10m budget...haha.....jus for fun...cant even farm in mp1 efficiently.
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i build my wd initially with 40m .. startup zuni set with 1h+mojo which i slowly upgrade n finally switched to 2h now ... i can farm efficiently up to mp7 .. mp8-9 will be a bit slow with ocassional death .. mp10 is risky lolz

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 15 2013, 12:08 AM)
also i wanted to know if zombie bears build can also include acid cloud skill...gonna need a lot of mana n faster mana regen build
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if u gear up ur wd for zombie bear build, definately u can use it as well for acid cloud (which is useful in lower mp speed farming) .. for low mp u dont need very high mana pool & u can get mana back very fast using Sacrifice/Pride.
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 15 2013, 12:37 AM)
500m is quite a lot .. for that amount of budget u can build a WD that can farm high mp.
2h & 1mojo both hv their pros & cons .. personally i prefer 2h since 2h wpn (esp Skorn) hv very high base dmg which results in higher crit dmg per hit .. slower attack speed of 2h also favors Bears since it wont burn mana too fast .. i'll go into pros & cons of each maybe tomorrow .. its alrdy late n i need to sleep  biggrin.gif
i build my wd initially with 40m .. startup zuni set with 1h+mojo which i slowly upgrade n finally switched to 2h now ... i can farm efficiently up to mp7 .. mp8-9 will be a bit slow with ocassional death .. mp10 is risky lolz
if u gear up ur wd for zombie bear build, definately u can use it as well for acid cloud (which is useful in lower mp speed farming) .. for low mp u dont need very high mana pool & u can get mana back very fast using Sacrifice/Pride.
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Completed my ZD 0CD build.

Still need some finetuning.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 15 2013, 12:45 AM)
Completed my ZD 0CD build.

Still need some finetuning.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ALeUNe-6127/hero/25402752
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congratz bro..
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Thanks.
I didn't get SoJ because it's too expensive for me.
I got a Skull Grasp + Sever (instead of having +2x% elite damage bonus, i opt for demon damage bonus).

Low paper DPS but high real damage per second.

Suicide dogs and zombie bears are the viable builds for burst damage.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098/+254

It's fun to play. Just need to spam key like CM Wiz. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 15 2013, 03:47 AM)
Thanks.
I didn't get SoJ because it's too expensive for me.
I got a Skull Grasp + Sever (instead of having +2x% elite damage bonus, i opt for demon damage bonus).

Low paper DPS but high real damage per second.

Suicide dogs and zombie bears are the viable builds for burst damage.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098/+254

It's fun to play. Just need to spam key like CM Wiz.  laugh.gif
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I like your idea of getting rare helm with reduce ZD cd and skull grasp..
it is very effective and economic nod.gif

will learn from you when i want to play the 0cd ZD...hehehe

btw the the skull grasp cost you how much?

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I like your idea of getting rare helm with reduce ZD cd and skull grasp..
it is very effective and economic nod.gif

will learn from you when i want to play the 0cd ZD...hehehe

btw the the skull grasp cost you how much?
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125m for the ring. Yeah, i know it is expensive.
But it's the cheapest i could find at the time (therefor you see it has STR affix instead of INT).
It is good for me anyway since I need some armor and a lot of HP.

Basically I need 3 gears to have 0CD.
Ring/helm/mojo, cost me 280m in total. sweat.gif
These are still cheaper than a piece of SoJ, generally.

There are some other gears that you may need to replace.
You need to stack up health globe bonus.
I replaced my Vile Ward & Zuni Chest in order to have 24K health globes & more VIT.

P/S Forgot to mention, you need to stack up as many HP as possible too. IMO, you need at least 65K. The more the merrier.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 15 2013, 12:45 AM)
Completed my ZD 0CD build.

Still need some finetuning.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ALeUNe-6127/hero/25402752
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bro u need more armor...

and we can go for another round with Skywavex... tongue.gif

u 0cd c4 dogs, Gecko, Skywavex and myself go for DPS...

i think can clear liao...
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jan 15 2013, 09:57 AM)
bro u need more armor...

and we can go for another round with Skywavex... tongue.gif

u 0cd c4 dogs, Gecko, Skywavex and myself go for DPS...

i think can clear liao...
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With bears build, I have 560K EHP.
With the 0ZD build, I have 410K EHP.

Yes, i'll find a way to upgrade my armor.
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MP6 with Sever.
Very nice damage at low MP.

You can pretty much 1-shot most white mobs @ MP0-3.



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MP6 with Sever.
Very nice damage at low MP.

You can pretty much 1-shot most white mobs @ MP0-3.


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yum...

bro, u r ready for uber mp10...

sadly tonite maintenance... else we can test power liao...
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yum...

bro, u r ready for uber mp10...

sadly tonite maintenance... else we can test power liao...
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wanna try this build ? icon_rolleyes.gif
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wanna try this build ?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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yum...

bro, u r ready for uber mp10...

sadly tonite maintenance... else we can test power liao...
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Yeah, we can make a run tomorrow. laugh.gif
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125m for the ring. Yeah, i know it is expensive.
But it's the cheapest i could find at the time (therefor you see it has STR affix instead of INT).
It is good for me anyway since I need some armor and a lot of HP.

Basically I need 3 gears to have 0CD.
Ring/helm/mojo, cost me 280m in total.  sweat.gif
These are still cheaper than a piece of SoJ, generally.

There are some other gears that you may need to replace.
You need to stack up health globe bonus.
I replaced my Vile Ward & Zuni Chest in order to have 24K health globes & more VIT.

P/S Forgot to mention, you need to stack up as many HP as possible too. IMO, you need at least 65K. The more the merrier.
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oh dear, you coulda told me you're looking for 0 dogs, cause i got 2 pieces left, the helm and the mojo.
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post Jan 15 2013, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Skywavex @ Jan 15 2013, 09:08 PM)
oh dear, you coulda told me you're looking for 0 dogs, cause i got 2 pieces left, the helm and the mojo.
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Keep the 0CD dog gears. We may need you as supportive players. laugh.gif
Show me the helm and mojo in the game.
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witch doctor 1 changes for 1.0.7 woohoo
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complete my mp0 WD using existing gears and bargain deal at GAH.. thanks bro Gecko for skill build advise.. notworthy.gif

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good news guys !
WD is owning every classes in the PVP at the moment, its time for us to shine !
I've also tried the PVP this morning. there's only one class that i got killed pretty easily and very anoyying, and guess what, that's WD. WD killed me so fast ! ( 250k dps him 1mil ehp, 202k dps me 600k ehp )
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QUOTE(Skywavex @ Jan 16 2013, 09:51 AM)
good news guys !
WD is owning every classes in the PVP at the moment, its time for us to shine !
I've also tried the PVP this morning. there's only one class that i got killed pretty easily and very anoyying, and guess what, that's WD. WD killed me so fast ! ( 250k dps him 1mil ehp, 202k dps me 600k ehp )
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yes + 1
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I didn't expect that pets can be such a nuisance to other chars where dueling is concerned.

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Oh boy, u have no idea.

I had no DISC, got hex into a pig and the dogs came and BOOM.
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I will order 1 wd for duel mode.

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QUOTE(Skywavex @ Jan 16 2013, 09:51 AM)
good news guys !
WD is owning every classes in the PVP at the moment, its time for us to shine !
I've also tried the PVP this morning. there's only one class that i got killed pretty easily and very anoyying, and guess what, that's WD. WD killed me so fast ! ( 250k dps him 1mil ehp, 202k dps me 600k ehp )
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really??? come come share the vid here...
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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 16 2013, 07:03 AM)
complete my mp0 WD using existing gears and bargain deal at GAH.. thanks bro Gecko for skill build advise.. notworthy.gif

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sabenar...6/hero/30568103
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yw bro

QUOTE(2890 @ Jan 16 2013, 10:02 AM)
Oh boy, u have no idea.

I had no DISC, got hex into a pig and the dogs came and BOOM.
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now ppl know how kulle feels when he gets hexed biggrin.gif

QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Jan 16 2013, 10:12 AM)
I will order 1 wd for duel mode.
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come2 moba level a WD up for pvp biggrin.gif free second set of life via Spirit Vessel passive (no matter how high any char dps is they cant 1-shot u lolz) ... 3 sec invulnerability via Spirit Walk and can dash towards target and hex them defenseless biggrin.gif and pets keep them busy as well
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