By the way, what was the issue the other day after change bat3 kenot start? Might be useful. Even if it's stupidity, atleast create awareness mar.

This morning went to crank again the damn car, ekk....ekk....ekk, still slow motion and can't start. So i just open the engine cover to check the fuel rail and tubing as suggested by YAB, all are intact. So i just walk to the shop i bought batt3 yesterday look for the magician.

The magician told me this problem is common on Saga when the car running out of batt3, after change it will very difficult to start, but once start, it will revive.

So the magician walk back to my car, put in the key and crank. ekk...ekkk....ekkk.......ekk..ekk..ekk.ekk ekkkekk vroommmm.... he crank the car for almost 1 minutes and the starter is running more and more faster and finally engine started. But dead again once he release throttle. Crank again, started in few cranks. After that my engine is revive.

I'm like WTF, i could do that also if i crank it longer yesterday, just afraid the batt3 will spoil if crank too long. After that the magician told me, when we fail to crank especially running out of batt3 for many times, the fuel that pre-injected by fuel pump (TEEEEE sound when u turn ur key to ACC) is flooding the combustion room, thats why it makes it more and more harder to start the engine.

Batt3 story finished, so don't know how to thanks him, so just let him change my EO. Mobil1 5w50.

After change EO, i can feel the engine now is damn heavy, like putting extra 100kg into my car I think this time is not placebo effect, becos i've been using 5W30 EO for more than 40k, this 5W50 really make a huge different in engine response Even my last 11k Petronas 5W30 EO is much better than this new EO. Nvm la, just get used to it.

not my problem. lol

tomorrow i will just return the car. lol
his magician say, after replace batteri, must crank crank crank long long one. Saga BLM is like this one.

To be honest, i'm not sure the theory he said is correct or not la...but he did encounter such problem several times before.

He told me for Saga, dun change batt3 only when it dead, have to change earlier.

so next time must crank kaw kaw after change bat3
Make sense on the TEET part that flooded. But then it supposed to make the crank sound FAST, not slow Nevermind la. Normally if I know previously ady TEET, I wont check engine geh I'll crank straight away. The only good thing without ABS

That's the part i not understand too. Before i change batt3, i only attempt engine restart once, one i heard it crank slowly, i know the batt3 is gone. I thought before that the ECU got some kind of 'memory', thats why when i hook up new batt3, the 'memory' still there and it crank slowly. But starter supposed not controlled by ECU, no?

- Drum Brake
- 2 Airbags
- No Paddleshift
- No Cruise Control
- Not leather wrapped steering
- No buttons on steering
- No auto sensor(s) on windscreen and for lights

GaGa starter very the efficient geh, sumore can detect if flywheel spinning the solenoid refuse to crank geh, and it's not control by ECU I believe. If ECU control, you'll have to reset ECU everytime change bat3 lor

Crank sound fast and slow basically differs by the presence of rich air fuel or no fuel supply.
1) If crank likel Wuekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke slightly slower then normal start but kicking long time also kenot start, meaning not enough petrol
2) IF crank very fast Wuekekeke....KEKEKEKEKEKEKE(very fast)....kekekekekeke(back to slow)...KEKEKEKEKEKE(very fast) then it's flooded

Starter is 1 of the most basic equipment in the engine bay. Power come, solenoid push the spinner to crankshaft and spin. That's it

I dunno whether to laugh or cry at the stupidity that continues to plague our automotive industry 

Honda Jazz Hybrid CKD – From 89,900
All the good stuffs thrown out, for a measly RM5k in price reduction from a CBU unit. And when the tax exemption is retracted, we are once again stuck with a sub-par sushi hybrid car.

Such features reduction alone should cost down more than 5k, somemore consider CKD, only 5k from CBU is non sense.

from the beginning, 95,000 for a tax free hybrid is already a joke, considering the petrol variant costs RM105,000 with tax. lol

Then mine is strange problem. Nvm la, next time u guys if encounter such problem just die die crank it until start.

I wonder how it would sell after the tax exemption is retracted 

It is so stripped down the only reason to buy it is because of it's low FC. But I can probably get the upcoming Kia Rio or Chevy sonic for...say....RM70-80k? RM10-20k is alot of petrol 

Not to forget that Honda's IMA isn't really as efficient as Toyota's HSD.

I also wonder what the CKD Prius C will be like   

use 45k buy a saga and the rest of 45k use to bath in petrol also can lo. lololol.

Not sure what time I free...the minute I'm free I'll straightaway go there, after wash straightaway cabut, no time to TT   

ooo... then nick nick how ?

hi all, maybe im late on the news, dunno whether u already noted coz this saga thread is really fast n furious,just sharing a bit info. Ecu n tcu reflash for iafm+ for flx n flx se is available now, but not sure whether all already has that. For the moment i heard only branch sc has it,whether prtn@eon. If u updated the ecu n tcu, do share ur review. Bye.

hi all, maybe im late on the news, dunno whether u already noted coz this saga thread is really fast n furious,just sharing a bit info. Ecu n tcu reflash for iafm+ for flx n flx se is available now, but not sure whether all already has that. For the moment i heard only branch sc has it,whether prtn@eon. If u updated the ecu n tcu, do share ur review. Bye.

Any details as to what aspects of the ECU/TCU does the update addresses?

wanna drive ur fiesta in to update kah?

Just curious ma, maybe even more low end power like the Preve update...