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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V35, Hali hali bikin keleta ooh, haiyoh...

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post Nov 14 2012, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Nov 14 2012, 11:31 AM)
i sedang blur... means after the RM200 invested = no effect like sg999 ones ?
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I have not install, but intended to buy from sg999 directly, since he's the fucker who poisoned me. I've done thorough survey and found welding cable price ranged from 80-150/meter @ 300amp. Sg999 have not confirmed me, but around RM200/1.5meter % 400amp. Sohigh oso can do the calculation, sg999 deal is worthy. Besides, letting our GaGa citizen earn some petrol wage sound really cool, just like supprting Marhaihai & pak SiuYi.

My current concern is, what happened if there's short circuit? Does the 400amp cable came with fuse box? Circuit breaker? 1 way diod to refrain electric flow from battery to alternator? Once all these being iron out, I will negotiate for bulk. Finger crossed hmm.gif

QUOTE(asrul @ Nov 14 2012, 11:33 AM)
that GC if use in FLX effective also ka?
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I dare not say how good sg999&eltonloo's GC are. The only thing I know is, those chiplak "HK5" cable doesn't work with my BLM. I feel no difference to the car AT ALL! However, those chiplak cable work like a charm in my then old iswaga & my current Gabby. Don't ask me, I don't know why. My next project is to source for 6 gauge power wire to customize grounding kit, also look for silver clip for best conduction. Another finger crossed for my BLM project.

QUOTE(eltonloo84 @ Nov 14 2012, 11:37 AM)
Haha, maybe after uncle David done the project you others also get poisoned by him.
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Elton, people in forum love & hate me for the same reason. I komplen a lot, whine about FC, diao about performance, fcuk people selling expansive stuff that does nothing to performance. Love me for exploiting other weakness, hate me for finding alternative. People don't get to earn much from me. However, this time sg999 touched me. He kept on bugging me regarding VS+GC effect that I bad mouthed about, even come to TT just to correct my wrong perception. Since he managed to poisoned me, I promised if I were looking for any mods related, I will buy from him directly, no question ask.一言九鼎. I'm arrogant, but I'm reasonable. I was wrong about the no effect side, I wanted to explore more on this matter. Cheers.
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post Nov 14 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Nov 14 2012, 02:28 PM)
is it brighter than stock?
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Brighter than my fog lamp ph34r.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Nov 14 2012, 03:27 PM)
David u not drive savvy to work ah?hahaha
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I usually drive Gabby. Today butt itchy, so take a chance to see the difference between a stock BLM with your car, and now butt hurting. Anyway, tonight will post some summary on erictioh VS.
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post Nov 14 2012, 08:09 PM

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TQ Z1 for the confirmation. However, I have more finding in 1 day, may be more than erictioh himself. Here we go for the detail:

Initially, after magician charged the VS from a static charger, we saw its already stable at 13.9V, so I disconnect it, bring it over to the car. As I walked towards my car, I figured the LED started to dim. Until I fully loosen the terminal, reconnect the VS, I figured it started to discharge drastically. Magician use a test meter to load the VS, left 11.8 volt. Magician was dulan, ripped off the VS & found inside lined up with rolls after rolls of capacitor. We found the voltage was 16V. So magician quickly came to a conclusion, reason for 16V is bcoz our car charging at 14.5V optimal, terefore a 12V capacitor could overheat very quickly, that's why eric ue 16V instead. However, the downside will be current quickly get discharged if not fully charged at 16V. That 1 hour when I was posting my previous post has gone down to drain, waste of time to dry run the capacitors.

2nd round, we disconnect the wires from the terminal, left the terminal attached at the battery, we took the entire battery + terminal hooked up with the VS,charge the entire battery+VS at the sametime for 2 hours! After that, we disconnect static charger. This time we tested reading stays at 13.2V for more than 10seconds togather with the battery!!! "Dry run in" success!!! We hook back up the whole battery + VS, everything is in order. We start the engine as usual.

Result was slightly better than my usual drive. I hit the pedal, there's significant improved on throttle lag response. I can see some different this time despite the VS was in the car for long time previously. Call it placebo, but it does show some difference. I do not have ECU "NUT" tunning in my car, so any improvement on engine response can be felt immediately. Pedal response is immediate. I hit the road for a long test drive whole afternoon until now, reach Kemuning, waiting for Nazri in the car typing this message. Overall, erictioh VS is very useable after a PROPER run in. Believe it or not, I've been using the VS since August, I have never felt the effect until today - get to fully charge the damn thing with a static charger!!! If compare it with the expansive VS my poison master sg999 is using, I believe its nothing to compare. Erictioh VS still lose half a kilometer. The initial acceleration has been improved, but the pedal lifting response still lag. I believe it improved a little bit, but when I drag from 1,2,3,4th gear, the lifting response still can be seen. For example, 1st gear WOT, the car went BEM.......6.5krpm,declutch,lift gas pedal,RPM suddenly jumped to 6.8krpm whilst I'm engaging 2nd gear.

Magician got a theory, but wasn't able to prove it. However, I'd like to share it here for speculation. The reason for my VS not fully functional despite its been running in my car for 3 months, its because our alternator voltage was not static. Before the medium/large capacitor being fully charged, aircon kicks in & draw power off from the small caps. Everytime we off engine, voltage drops back to 12V, and that is not running the VS afterall. Do remember we found out those capacitors was 16V. In order to have optimal charging, it needs 16V, so 14V charging could take much-much more longer time to "run in" the capacitors, may be years. So, we guess it could be the case that when the capacitors are fully charged, the driver already got used to it and forgotten the goodness of having VS assistance. We believe erictioh couldn't use anything lower than 16V otherwise the VS reliability will become questionable.

Lastly, we conclude that everytime we disconnect the VS, it needed another full run in before we can feel the effect of a fully functional voltage stabilizer.
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post Nov 14 2012, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Nov 14 2012, 08:52 PM)
Bro, u got the point!!!
If u unplug my vs to ur car and test, u cant feel anything.
u need to drive it , off ur engine, start again, that is the time... brows.gif  brows.gif
and may i know how long is the eric vs LED last after u unplug it from charging?
if not read wrongly from ur review, is an hours then dim already?


Added on November 14, 2012, 8:53 pm
me brought from my friend which is a diy seller from sarawak
the brand is EDGE
However there is no uF data provided. smile.gif
and the design is very ugly compare to pivot qmax hot imaza......
if u guy wan i can help u guy order
so i can earn abit yamcha money . brows.gif
14days money guarantee back if u feel unstatisfied and one year waranty provided.
Lastly, a serious reminder, for campro car pls install gc first. If not u will throw egg to me after brought the vs.... thumbup.gif
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I did not wait until the VS fully discharged, but within 5 minutes I think I saw it dimmer than when I just got it off from the static charger. May be lighting affect a the charger located at dimmer place, I might see the LED brighter there. However, the tester shows 11.8V. I'm guessing the small cap quickly discharged whilst started to draw power from the medium/high caps. We concluded, if doesn't wanna let the vehicle's alternator to slowly charge up the VS, the only way is to static charge both VS+battery at the same time, so we do not let the small caps discharge when disconnect from the static charger.

The 2nd time we ran a full charge for both VS+battery, that spent 2 hours proved our theory worked better than charging the VS alone, bcoz we didn't disconnect the VS from power supply. As we disconnect from static charger, the battery itself acted as a big VS that refrain the erictioh VS from lossing charge.

Anyway, I personally believe erictioh's VS will take a very-very long time to fully functional. The VS has been in my engine bay since August, until this morning I still couldn't feel the significant of it. After the 2nd "dry" run in with the static charger, I guess all the 100kUf has been fully charged, after that only I able to tell the difference.

We came to a conclusion that high capacity VS should never disconnect from the vehicle, otherwise a full "training" is needed before it fully functional like it used to be.

I will follow up with a video as soon as I have a hold on my PC.
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post Nov 14 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Nov 14 2012, 09:29 PM)
The 16V means the highest voltage you can apply to the capacitor, in engineering term, this is just point of safety limit. Larger voltage limit with same capacitance will result in larger physical size, which often limits our design. Not so sure how it affects discharging practically.

I have a suggestion, we can buy those battery chargers that are intended to be plugged in for long term to our car like this: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1169104/all

Optimate: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2280546
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Thanks for the info. I have little knowledge in electronic engineering

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 14 2012, 09:39 PM)
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Few points i would like to share here.

1. Capacitor run in is a myth, until today. This run in term often used in audiophile, and argueable forewer.

2. The capacitor rated voltage is voltage it can withstand and store before the cap damge. So for a cap with rated 16v and 25v, if both are charged to same voltage, the discharge time will exactly the same, no such thing that if the cap is charged lower than its rated voltage it will discharge quickly.

3. Depends on the R fo LED, LED will drain around 5mA, so when u disconnect from charger, the volltage drop is normal as the charge is drained by LED.

4. i disagree 25v need more time to "run in" compare to 16v cap if charged by same voltage.. Cap will degrade over time, especially inside the engine with high heat, it will accelerate eletrolic dried up inside the cap, thats why solid cap AKA condenser is used by those pivot or whatever well known brand, a year to run in an eletrolytic cap? i will say it performance will reduce rather than 'fully run in and perform better".

5. Again, a cap that always charged near to its rated maximum voltage will degrade faster than charge lower from that. So if i'm going to DIY, at least 25v cap will be used. Our alternator when running is around 14.4, cold start @ 14.8v, is way too near to the 16v limit. DC multimeter can only show average voltage, so the reading is stable, If using osciloscope, u will not surprise if you find the spike with higher voltage than that.

6. Capacitance will increase in high temp, as high as +20% from the rated capacitance. So it is not surprise if the performance after u purposely charge or after long run is differ than cold start.

7. The reason why higher voltage (25v) is not used in commercial product is mainly due to more expensive and size is larger, accomodate for the cap require larger casing, so further increase the cost.
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I do not disagree with you as I have no prove to all that. The only thing I know is, this morning the engine response was not there despite its in my engine bay for 3 months. It happened AFTER the VS being charged for 2 hours with the battery itself. It could be the battery, not the VS. But so far I'm amazed and surprised by the performance I have, despite its incomparable with the fucker who poisoned me. Anyway, I see some lights now and will move forward. I'll be taking out the possibility of getting the RM860 VS. I'll move forward with a sound grounding kit and the huge ass welding cable as soon as I hold some solid info rolleyes.gif

Btw, thanks for spend time educating me. Learnt alot from your post. icon_rolleyes.gif May be I should go and buy a 250V 1.5Farad cap and plonk it inside my boot laugh.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 14 2012, 10:45 PM)
unker, u haven reply my question pun. purposely ignore me ya?
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Which question? rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 14 2012, 07:23 PM)
i told u jor the design u want is much expensive from my side. paiseh ar. smile.gif
eeeeeeeeeee...tarak tau malu...... notworthy.gif
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This 1 ar? You're a seller right? That's why I say people love and hate me for the same reason la laugh.gif OK seriously, may be nobody likes me also doh.gif

QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 14 2012, 08:28 PM)
can i say we charge the VS by starting the battery, but not the engine? i mean 1st click of the key, but not ignition.

and i'm very curious sg9999's vs is from which seller or brand?
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By right the alternator send charge of 14.5 volts to the capacitor. When you off engine, the VS will send 14.5 volts to continue charge your batter until both VS and battery normalized at an agreeable value, then slowly discharge GUA. To find out more, better consult erictioh himself. These are my theory nia.

Like coolkwc say, if you use a something super duper machine gun radar jammer chaohigh frequency meter to detect, you'll see the electric flow actually vary from time to time. The normal test meter only can show the round up figure. Me and magician have very little knowledge about electronics, but according to him due to the vary of voltage being sending in to the voltage stabilizers, the small capacitor actually very hard to fully charge itself and to send similar charge to medium/high capacitors is another pain in the butt. However, static charge might actually reduce the variance. Theoretically my way of "dry run in" with a static charger works even better then letting the alternator alone to charge the VS up.

Anyways, these are all theory and butt dyno effects. It could be my poor battery is going to drain, and after the static charged the engine response became powderful can also caused by the battery itself instead of the VS. blink.gif

Eating dinner(supper) now, will post video after shower yawn.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 14 2012, 11:21 PM)
so in the end, i still dun get what u mean. if i wanna get a fully working VS device, i needa full charge each and every biji of caps in my VS, yes? then to do so, i needa charge it using a 3rd party device aka socket charger? hmm.gif
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My 1st charge, only the VS without the battery. As soon as I disconnect the VS from the charger, it quickly discharge by itself.

My 2nd charge, I attached the VS on my car battery, and charge both together with the static charger. After 2 hours, even I disconnect the static charger, the VS does not quickly discharge as it hold by the power of the car battery.
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Anyway, here's a short video comparison. I forgot to shoot a video without the VS, so I'm using someone else's komplen video as a comparison. You do the judgement la.

Someone komplen DbW delay


I was having a little fun with my not quite statisfying, but finally call it acceptable engine response after all that buttache charging work.


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Frankly, driving from Shah Alam back to Sri Damansara alone already make me numb about the recent improvement. I guess by tomorrow I'll be totally forgetting about the DbW lag already
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Need to study more on GC and the huge ass welding cable for alternator now. Thanks again sg999 for poisoning me. Call you the fcuker was a joke, don't get angry ya laugh.gif I admit I came to a conclusion too early previously, but wasn't expect the erictioh I had so useful notworthy.gif I may not buy the VS from you since erictioh version is working, but I'm sitting on the fence of getting the huge ass welding cable, and you're the only 1 I'm looking for when the time has come brows.gif
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post Nov 15 2012, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 14 2012, 11:51 PM)
so 1st case is, battery makan ur VS power. 2nd case is VS and battery both equilibrium state. then? blink.gif
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Then ma story end lo, bcoz both VS and bat3 also will self discharge de ma nod.gif
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post Nov 15 2012, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 15 2012, 12:11 AM)
U reminded me why I study IT instead of engineering  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif It's like studying my Basic Electronics textbook again

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I'm at the exact opposite side, my lecturer said I should have gone engineer instead of computer science because I brain in PICTURE. If you know what I mean, you start to draw diagram in your mind from what coolkwc wrote, then its easy to understand sleep.gif
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post Nov 15 2012, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 15 2012, 12:05 AM)
then how u can make ur VS become so responsive leh? by charging it inb4 u race?
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I don't know blink.gif I reach magician in the morning, as I told him about sg999 case, he started to explain the VS thingy, then suddenly the "training" program struck my mind. Therefore we train the VS and the result lasted until just now I got home blink.gif

Anyway, if tomolo it become lag again, then my theory of training wouldn't work liao yawn.gif
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 15 2012, 12:21 AM)
then u inform me when it doesnt last after 3 days of driving. il like to see how a responsive VS can be practice out.
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The trouble is, I don't drive that car often laugh.gif So, its haily possible by tomolo the VS ady drained/normalized by the battery liao doh.gif

QUOTE(sg999 @ Nov 15 2012, 12:25 AM)
no giv up pls
during the runing process of vs
there will be unstable stage. : )
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Refer the above, I guess the real effect is the huge ass welding cable that provide stable current that can charge up the VS every day, that's what I have in mind and wanted to make it my priority hmm.gif

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 15 2012, 12:26 AM)
seriously u should gone mechanical engineer and we partner open a assesories shop, u mainly for engine part, i mainly for electrical part, we cons 9 customers with air surbo, GC etc.... laugh.gif
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1) Last month I draw a diagram, get the electronic shop unker make me a set of delayed key ring light timer+auto off with key switch, I burnt a few strip of LED with that useless board, thats exactly the same day kenjilew come ask me whether my "project" success sleep.gif

2) Last week, I submitted my 2nd draft of diagram to the unker, make me another set of delayed key ring light timer+auto off with key switch, I set the board on fire doh.gif luckily got fire extinguisher sweat.gif

So, you and me both Ipork home boi open a shop, then I go and burn other people's bulbs and set their car on fire whilst you're trying to fix it doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Nov 15 2012, 12:44 AM)
har ? on fire ?
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yes! the unoehuat we talked about when we met at Sri Petaling for the ChiPad repair mini TT. the 1st draft only burn LED, but the 2nd draft can self destruct flex.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Nov 15 2012, 12:54 AM)
RM 2,220 1 roll

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It is very expansive sad.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Nov 15 2012, 01:24 AM)
i wan go curi from tiang telefon edi

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 15 2012, 09:26 AM)
The Polo sedan is the most pointless product from VW in this market. It doesnt have the performance of its slightly more expensive siblings, but it is more expensive than most B segment sedans here. Even if it may have better NVH and build quality, but I would much rather get the City or Forte in that price bracket.

The only reason ppl buy is is for its badge.
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QUOTE(alister88 @ Nov 15 2012, 09:31 AM)
badge as in the logo/emblem?
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Yes badge is important!

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QUOTE(nickzkuso @ Nov 15 2012, 10:06 AM)
Yaya.. They only like the badges!!
VW = Very Wonderful rclxms.gif
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What is a MAG ar? I tried to search and this thing came up blink.gif
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I started my computer journey with this yawn.gif
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QUOTE(gogoman86 @ Nov 15 2012, 12:53 PM)
Yeah, same here. Only keyboard available, no mouse yet. Using 720kb 5" floppy disk, need to flip down that switch when accessing it.  sweat.gif
Boot into windows using command prompt...  doh.gif
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5.25inch 360kb oni blink.gif DOS 2.0, no windoe
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QUOTE(zeone @ Nov 15 2012, 02:09 PM)
Hi Everyone!  notworthy.gif
Looks like VS & GC Debate is over liao...
Was a good example of A respectable & healthy discussion by mature ppl!  notworthy.gif
cheers.gif 2all who participated!!

Was very interesting read 4a change...
Presentations of tech know-how plus facts! rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
As alwaz, with understanding comes knowledge...
A good ending.... icon_rolleyes.gif

ps. This thread shld hv more of this type of invaluable sessions... nod.gif  rclxms.gif
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I'm sorry I have not stop exploring. After this morning, I've decided to stop open discussion as I have even more shocking findings that will affect some other's commercial interest. Once I have the full setup/diagram, I will call for a small bulk PRIVATELY between the few who have been working hard together with us these few months.

QUOTE(billy520 @ Nov 15 2012, 03:26 PM)
then i also notice there is slight unburnt petrol small coming out from exhaust...it is normal too? @_@ but weird thing is that i also monitored my FC. add a few km (<3-5km) for each bar of petrol... if there is unburnt petrol shouldn't FC become worse?
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FS might help. Meanwhile, our discussion on ground cabling/alternator cable/voltage stabilizer was a different thing than FS and does different effect. I'm aware you've seen these poisonous stuff by some bastards, I hope that doesn't stop you from getting the FS as many of our forumers benefited from such affordable mod. Those electrical mods regarding GC/VS and the huge ass welding cable have bearly benefited any of them right now, and I dare not to promise after spending few hundrad dollars of investment on electrical mod to an outcome of PLACEBO.

QUOTE(Mahihi @ Nov 15 2012, 03:31 PM)
i wanna ask,the alternator cable dat is connected to the bat,is tap to where???tap to the original alternator cable dat is connected to the bat or??
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Both end joint with lug. 1 side connect to alternator OUTPUT, 1 side to 100A fuse, then extended to another lug, to bolt on the battery POSITIVE terminal(not on cable, its bolt the lug on the battery terminal).

QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Nov 15 2012, 03:39 PM)
Ytd drove up to sg petani.. Noticed that my steering tends to go left side when driving on a straight road.. doh.gif
Ala apa things to take note when i bring it to adjust back the alignment?
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It is particularly feeling more significant the car pulling left side when doing long distance, because the road was designed slant towards the drain, otherwise very easy to dakung air at the middle of the road. Please test alignment inside shopping mall kapak.

Alignment is alignment. Price between 15~25. Other rubbish whatever camber crap no need to do unless you went through a pothole at 100kmh.


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