Well lately, I've seen a lot of new courses appearing in MMU. My batch, they introduced Artificial Intelligence course, after my batch Security Technology. This coming June intake, they will introduce Bio-related IT course. A new faculty is coming soon too. Well, if a student who took this new courses, one of the worries are LAN, JPA and MOHE. Sometimes student thought that this courses that are offered are already LAN approved not knowing it when they applied for it .Well, MOHE certainly will approved the course, but what will happen to the first batch of student that has not been approved by LAN? As I know JPA won't give out the scholarship for the LAN not approved programmes. And how about PTPTN? In the initial state,my friend who took Artificial Intelligence, had a shock when they heard that PTPTN has not approved the loan for his programmes. Luckily somehow after discusion between administrator and PTPTN, they allowed it. How about this new courses? Will PTPTN abandoned them because of not LAN accreditated?

This is what I quote from MMU website on LAN accredation. Just wondering,what will happen to the degree of the student from the first batch because they are the white mouse. How if LAN not approved it? What consequences this student face? Another thing is how to differentiate a good University or Colleges? University /Colleges that provided more programmes are deemed good? MMU alone have 111 programmes itself from diploma to PhD but true . Can anyone share your opinion about this question?

This Questiion can be applied anywhere not only in MMU. Just share what you know.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: Feb 24 2006, 09:09 PM

Since MMU is a local university, i don't see a problem why LAN or the education ministry want to reject it

But how about the overseas Uni or colleges? What are the quality deemed to be fit for their assesment? Different in what terms? Well, sometimes you can't say because it is a local university, they won't reject it. There is still probabilty for them to reject too.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: Feb 24 2006, 09:06 PM

All courses offered at all private colleges are approved by LAN. The issue is about accreditation, not approval.

The probability is low. My 2 cents

Do you know oversea university like Southern Pacific University from US also get accrediation from LAN ? Did you aware or know this U ?

no inti pls .

yeap. That is what I mean
So, is it counted as their degree are accreditated although they are still doing the assessment and coming with the result? Since FYP is usually offered in final 2 sem for us in MMU. If the accreditation is given after they receive their scroll, meaning their degree is accreditation approved or the next batch after them?

good for them.....
I wouldn't know. You shouldn't worry too much if you intend to have nothing to do with the government after your studies.

For local institutions, in order to get LAN accrediation, the institution itself has to have experience lecturers, well-balanced IT and library facilities and other aspects need to be considered!

If let say have no other choice , have to work with government, they won't be hired?

Okay, let say this college/Uni programmes is LAN accreditated. Somehow when the student study half way, LAN take back their accreditation(don't know if this possibe to happen or not ), then counted as degree without LAN accreditation?

It is possible.

u can say so

here's what i can share:

in order for a college to get accreditation, they have to start the course first with the first batch of students. part of the accreditation process is that the students' works are reviewed and scrutinized by experts from the related field. for example, new artificial intelligence courses in college ABC will be assessed by malaysian experts in artificial intelligence, probably some people from other established universities or industry. if the course is relatively new in malaysia, LAN will appoint external experts to assess.

usually, in establishing a new course, the college will need qualified lecturers and most importantly, the structure of the course. facilities could come second. this structures are easily adapted using established overseas courses.

in order to obtain certification (not accreditation) from LAN, they will have to prove that their course complies to the minimum international standards. once it has been confirmed, they can start the course.

usually, the first 3-4 batches are will not get an accredited degree, but their degree is certified to comply with minimum standards, which means, still fit to practice, although not necessarily 100% accepted by everyone.

for example, only 4 out of 16 schools of architecture in malaysia are accredited to award full architectural degrees. so what about the other 12 (including LUCT, taylor's, UPM, UIA, UKM, etc)? the graduates are qualified enough to work, but they will need to seek individual accreditation themselves from the respective bodies.

Last week, LAN and IEM came to assess a degree course in MMU Melaka Campus. The assessed course is BEng(Hons) Electronics majoring in Robotics and Automation.

Assessment can be only be performed if the new course got final year students who are working for their final year project as well.

Ohana Means Family

This post has been edited by David83: Feb 27 2006, 02:58 AM

accreditation = good college?

Not exactly true that expression ...

Ohana Means Family

not necessarily.

accreditation means it complies to the standards that have been set by the industry and other academics. this is something that is agreed upon prior to the accreditation, and they publish the criterias of accreditation so that everyone could refer to it.

accreditation criteria has a much higher standards than criterias of setting up a course. setting up a course have a minimum requirements that doesnt really comply to the industry's standards.

accreditation simply means that ur future employer wont have to double check ur background in order to confirm u r qualified. well, they could just put u into a probation period for 3-6months, but not many are willing to pay u just to test u.

It seems not that fair to the 1st batch to the student who take the degree ain't ? Hmm, so much trouble for taking a non-accreditated programmes really
After all, they are the benchmark for the coming batch. One get and one doesn't get.
After all, theytook the risk to choose the new course which is relatively new to the country and which might be usefull in future.

Now I see what you meant.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: Feb 28 2006, 10:58 AM

I would like to ask that if a college's courses that have approval by LAN and also have minimum Standard Courses for the approved courses. but does not
achieved Accreditation by LAN.

Will the course suddenly be terminated because of not achieving Accreditation by LAN?

LAN will only terminate the course if they deem it unfit or fell below the minimum standards. but there are other reasons why a course could be terminated, for example, by the school itself on reasons like not enough students, not feasible and stuff like that; or reasons from higher up like the ministry of higher education on reasons like breach of agreement or stuff like that.

but i believe LAN or the MOHE will not terminate a course without consideration. a lot of courses both in public and private colleges still have not achieved LAN accreditations, and students still go there, no problem.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Mar 3 2006, 02:49 AM

Mr azarimy:
i need ur advice, i found out that lot of colleges in Penang with "certification of Accreditation" are very expensive. Because of my finacial problem as well, i feel very tention, don't know whether i should just go for a degree course that only approved by LAN(more cheaper,around RM26,000) or i should go for degree course that achieved Accreditation(more expensive,around RM36,000)?

Different between will be RM10,000.

Pls advice,really out of idea.........

This post has been edited by Janice88: Mar 3 2006, 03:15 AM

Do you mean approval by MOHE?

Getting to a course with accreditation might benefits you later if you plan to works with government agencies. If you're not bother to work with government agencies, there is not much problem too. Read our previous post on this issue. Have you heard of PTPTN? Don't worry. PTPTN will give you the scholarship (loan) if you fulfill the requirement.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: Mar 3 2006, 06:22 AM

what stevan said is generally true. although PTPTN only give out study loans to LAN accredited courses only. that's why non-accredited courses are cheaper. they had to. if not, no one will apply to their courses. it's partly a marketing strategy.

in my opinion, non-accredited courses isnt that bad. but there are a bunch which are just there to prey upon unsuspecting students. to be safe, my opinion is that u apply to courses that have been there for several years with several batches of graduates. try and get opinions from them about the course and job availability.

some courses are quite good despite not having accredited by LAN. they do this by catering EXACTLY what the industry needs, but usually foregoes other stuff like research and development.

Sorry stevanistelrooy,i dont understand the term of MOHE?

Actually i have checked through the college that i wanted to study at the LAN website
http://www.lan.gov.my/english/index2eng.htm , and its under the list of approval and minimum standard. So can i assumed that is approved by LAN?

But its not under the list of achieved Accreditation and obtained their Certificates of Accreditation: -

So the real problem that i consider is whether my bachelor that without accreditation will affect me looking for job in private banking sector or others industries like logistic industry?

All the courses will be approved first by Ministry of Higher Education( MOHE). After getting approval, they can offer the programmes to us. Take note that all the programmes that have getting approval from MOHE,not all of the approval programmes by MOHE are LAN accreditated. If the college / Uni that you are applying are in the list, make sure what courses that have been accreditated by LAN. You can try by checking the respectitive Uni or college website.

Janice, it is not a problem if you have a degree without a LAN accreditated.But take note that some company prefer to hire LAN accreditated student because they have set a benchmark for that programmes.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: Mar 3 2006, 01:27 PM

Course Approval and Course Accreditation is two distinctive criteria to determine a course quality. An approved course may not be an accreditated course but not the other way round.

MOHE is doing the approval and LAN is doing the accreditation. For Engineering courses, there's IEM cooperation with LAN for accreditation.

Ohana Means Family

This post has been edited by David83: Mar 3 2006, 02:14 PM

that's what i'm worry about.....May i know which college or Uni are u in?
by the way,thx for ur help and azarimy as well!

He's in MMU Melaka campus under the umbrella of FIST (IT faculty).

Ohana Means Family

You're welcome.
I'm from MMU. If wanna ask anything, drop me a PM or visit MMU thread.

Well, it is advisable to take up courses with LAN accreditation though. You can't predict what will happen in future. Taken first precaution is much better rather than regret later on.

U r right then i think only Kolej- Disted Stamford in Penang suit me because their Bachelor of Commerce is LAN Accreditation. www.disted.edu.my

Besides that,i also consider Unitar(University Tunku Abdul Razak) as well but my friend said that their quality is doubtful www.unitar.edu.my

Inti and KDU in Penang are very expensive

About the MMU - B.IT Security Technology & Artificial Intelligence, how long/much to expect for the quality?

How they actually evaluate the accreditation and recognition, for example, if the LAN and JPA accredited and recognized after the 4th batch of students, what happen to previous batch student's degree? accredited and recognized as the 4th batch students, or considered not recognized?

This post has been edited by Angela.X: Mar 4 2006, 01:01 AM

Once the course is approved and accredited, previous, current and future students will get the recognition throughout Malaysia.

Ohana Means Family

i'm definitely sure about the current and future students, but i dont think they'll give accreditation automatically to the previous students. in UTM, the part time architectural degree is currently undergoing accreditation, and i was part of the committee working on the accreditation (until i took study leave).

LAN didnt award full accreditation for the course, and told us accreditation is pending a few adjustments and additions that they require, but, the current graduating batch and the one before it gets full accreditation. we asked about the other previous batches, they said those graduates could apply accreditation individually. it's too far back over the years for them to give accreditation automatically.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Mar 4 2006, 04:16 AM

You may right about the accreditation to the previous batches of students. I apologize for that statement ...

Ohana Means Family

well, i'm not sure about that. if they give full accreditation to the course, they MIGHT give all previous batches accreditation as well. but here's the procedure:

during the accreditation assessment, they want to see ALL works done by the current AND previous students. and they werent kidding about ALL works. students that were granted accreditation during our times were those who had ALL their works. those who have less than 70% of their works (especially the final year dissertation/project) were not given accreditation.

so if u've graduated by an unaccredited course, keep all ur works. i mean EVERYTHING!

As for my course, my seniors have been through what you have been through.

Last month, some of friends were attending the accreditation evaluation session as described as you. If everything is sailing smoothly, the course will be accreditated by LAN and IEM.

MMU does have cases where the degree is failed to get accreditated for the first time but that won't stop the APAC and faculty to keep on pressing the LAN-IEM buttons.

Ohana Means Family

that's true. if they couldnt get accreditation this year, they could apply next year and every single year until they get it. UTM part time courses (known as SPACE) have been working for accreditating architecture degree for about 5 years now. still havent got the full accreditation process. some people wanted to give up applying, because it is a very tedious process...

i'm glad that i'm away now...

Want to ask furthermore about the accreditation period.
How long they assess it for one time, before proceeding to list it succeed or failure? And is there any time limitation for the acreditation purpose? Like can apply for it until how many times or something like that?

once an accreditation is awarded by LAN, its accreditation cannot be terminated depending on the number of years its awarded. this accreditation needs to be renewed every few years, and thats when the courses will be reassessed again.

for mmu, optical major should be getting their accreditation next year, as the first batch of students will be graduating this year. as for nano tech and bio-instrumentation major, assessment will be done in 2-3 years time, when the first batch of students graduate. personally i wouldnt worry too much about the accreditation, cuz it will come sooner or later .

the accreditation process usually takes between 2 to 4 years for a first time accreditation. that's AFTER the 1st graduates. it's not about bureaucracy, but more on waiting for the next batch to graduate and be assessed, and the batch after that and so on until they're satisfied.

once a full accreditation process is awarded, it will be valid for 5 years (commonly). reaccreditation process is shorter. usually takes between 6 months to a year.

Btw, do employers in the private sector EVER ask whether or not your course is LAN accredited? :/

It depends and mostly not.

hardly. but it would be easier for them to choose potential employees when they know that u have an accredited degree, compared to those doesnt. but in architecture firms, regardless whether u come from accredited course or not, if u're a crappy worker, u'll get the boot by the end of the week. most employers seek the individual, not the degree. but certain posts require certain qualifications. u cant become a professional architect (which carries the title AR. infront of their names) if u dont have an accredited architectural degree. this applies to other commonwealth countries as well.

so i assume other professional courses have this regulation as well.

I am planning to do my Foundation of Arts in Help, and based on the LAN's site, this Foundation course is not in its 'Accredited course' list.

What does it mean? HELP's A-Levels' are Accredited and so are some of their degrees, so what does it mean if this Foundation course in HELP isn't Accredited?

Thanks!

it doesnt mean a thing actually.

foundation is a field specific course, and in malaysia unfortunately, foundation is a field-specific, course-specific and school-specific course. which means that if u're taking foundation of arts in HELP, u can only continue studying in degree of arts in HELP.

foundation courses were meant to be open, meaning if u take foundation of arts in HELP, u should be able to continue for ur degree in any other universities offering degree in arts. however, we have yet to come to that point yet, coz foundation courses arent centralized yet. well, atleast not in malaysia.

this brings us back to ur question. what does it mean?

it means that, if it's not accredited, it doesnt really matter. why? because foundation is not ur final certificate/qualification. working outside, people just look at ur last qualification (and if they even bother, check on the accreditation of ur last qualification).

what u really need to worry about is ur last qualification. if u're planning to stop at degree in arts, then make sure ur degree in arts is accredited. since u're planning to take foundation in help, make sure help's degree in arts (or whatever relevant) is accredited.

To all MMU students ,

- I got just my Diploma in Computer Science(collaboration with Universiti Sains Malaysia) in Stamford Collage . i been thinking doing my Degree in MMU for quite awhlie . Do they take examtion for some particular subject , which is related to the my subject which i hav taken at stamford. I khow i need bring along my diploma course outline .
( More info About my Diploma http://www.stamford.edu.my/Courses/details...egoryid=2&id=5)

- What is the requirements to PTPN loan at MMU ? Because , as far as i khow , each Uni or Collage has their own requirements in order to get the PTPN loan....( correct me if i'm wrong... )

I can't view your course subject. Probably kind enough to post it here?
About subject exemption, it depends. If MMU think it is not relevant, you need to take the particular subject offered by MMU.

PTPTN loan is eligible to all, and it is not under MMU power to decide who gets it or not.

hi, i also need your guys help....currently i m doing DIp in E&E at INTI subang jaya and will be finishing in 1 more sem...One of my options was to MMU to do my degree locally....I would like to ask ppl out there, does MMU offere BEng in E&e????... and does it lan - IEM accredited? does it recognize? heard that MMU only have telecomunications...So can anyone out there mind tellin me

Please refer to this link MMU LAN accreditated courses

Courses that MMU offers

Good day,
I am from SEGI college ( prime + systematic colloge). They have some course dont have any LAN approval. I can't get loan from Bank Rakyat because no LAN approval for my course in degree of Computing.

So, please check the college and the course LAN status before sign up for the course. Do it before it is too late.

my degree is not recognise by JPA.. so i can't use my degree to apply gov job.. i use my diploma so much salary differetnt between diploma n degree holder

This post has been edited by magnum: Apr 18 2006, 04:57 PM

u can't use yr degree to apply for gov job but can u go for private sector???

yes.. i can..private sector doesn't care wheter your degree is recognise or not.. waht they want is as long as u have teh knowledge to work...

Private sector prefers skills over academics but some companies prefer higher CGPA. The degree recognition and accreditation did not affect much.

that's almost right..i still remember when i was in one interview...becos the MD was so busy (konon..) he ask all of us to presnt ourself in the meeting room.. one of this hot looking chicks was really sell her self... graduated in UK..best student someone..was offered by the UK gov to work there but she refused and return home to contribute to the country la...bla..bla...bla.. The MD was so interested in her...
when my time up, i only say a few words about me in just 5 mins..and then he said NEXT.............

later, only me that got the job...huahaha

hei, i have a question. What if i apply for ptptn loan with my engineering diploma is it possible because i am actually an art stream students so if i use my SPM to apply high possibilities they might not approve...I heard that art stream students can't do engineering nevertheless will they approve the loan.

lets get something clear:

do u already possess an engineering diploma, or applying FOR an engineering diploma?

a. if u already have an engineering diploma:

they wont so much look into ur SPM other than to justify the grades and make sure u qualify for the minimum requirements. in any applications, they will always look for the latest qualifications.

b. if u r applying for an engineering diploma:

well, u can, but it'll be harder. priority will always be given to students with science background, but it doesnt mean they will throw ur application out the window.

i am in the final sem of my engineering diploma...my concern is to apply ptptn for my degree....next, if the degree course i enrol only achieve the minimum requirement of standard accreditation by LAN will the loan approved??? The course is not accredited by BEM too...

PTPTN does not give out loans to unaccredited courses. there's no other way around it, atleast not that i know of.

what do u mean by achieving minimum standards of LAN? it's either the course is accredited, or not. that's what matters to PTPTN. if it is accredited, regardless of minimum or outstanding, PTPTN WILL offer the loan to prospective students.

do check on the course accreditation at LAN's website. or just put the name of the course and also the university u're applying here, someone might be able to give a different advice.

i had check the web but the name of the course is under the "List Of COurses (Approval and Minimum Standards) ".....i am plannin to go INTI college mAlaysia as i did my diploma here in INTI subang....The program is 3+0 Bradford UK, BEng Electrical and electronics engineering......

What is your diploma course name? It is hard for us to help you if you are unwilling to tell us. Without that course name, we just merely can tell you what we know.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: May 2 2006, 08:26 AM

i had mention i did my diploma in engineering in INTI College subang jaya....Once again, i am doing my DIPLOMA IN ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS ENGINEERING.....I had also said i am plannin to further my studies at INTI COllege Malaysia a ( 3+0 Uni. Bradford BEng in ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS engineering) ..Are these infor enough??????

Your diploma is under PTPTN list. So nothing to be worried about. Your intended degree programs are also under PTPTN loan scheme. As for LAN, nothing to worries. If you works in private sector, most of them will not even bothered to ask.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: May 2 2006, 04:38 PM

allrite, thx for helping me out ....Thanks a lot....i will go apply ptptn for my degree studies

Is Unitar courses accredited by LAN... Is the certificate recognised worldwide? It is the quality not good?

This are the courses that are accreditated by LAN for UNITAR

Course Name(Axxxx) ->Serial Number->Accreditation Date->Accreditation Start->Accreditation Ends

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: Jun 26 2006, 08:53 PM

Wat does tat mean with Accredition ends? Mean the assesment of the courses are completed or the accredition have to renew again? Is LAN only does matter if u want to work in govt sector?

I noticed that most of you are concerning of LAN or any accreditation issues, why can;'t you look into the quality of your studies, and is the program really help you in long run?

I have replied your PM
Yes, I understood what you said. But then, we don't how, when or where our future is. Some of us might ends up with government agencies. And they looks into it.
And this is because, some of us afraid that the courses that they are currently taking is "Paper Terbang", where you don't trust them and their teaching stuff.
There are many other issues that are more important that all of us must acknowledge, not only LAN accreditation.

accreditation assessment does not apply forever. look at it as a method of keeping track that what they teach/education that they give in those institutions are according to the standard that have been set by the industry (which includes both government and private). although LAN is government, the assessment of each courses are conducted by respected professionals (both gvment and private). once they agree that everything offered is in order, they'll award accreditation.

accreditation is a tedious process, where the assessors will have to go through each and every detail they have. this includes going through virtually every paper submitted by students, projects, exams, exam questions, group works, presentation and so on. accreditation is only valid for 5 years. after that, the institution is responsible to renew it, by setting up another assessment for their school to get accreditation for the next 5 years.

and so on, and so forth. it's a check and balance system. imagine ur parents checking up on ur homework every 5 hours...

i think u'd have to acknowledge the fact that all sponsors and loans in malaysia requires the students to enrol into accredited courses. that was the primary concern of most whom discussed in this particular thread. i'm sure if they have the money they'd be studying atleast in australia by now.

also, the main concern with most students going to tertiery education is that they are not aware of the standards of education. PMR, SPM, STPM is all the same everywhere. so as A-levels, matrics, int. baccalaurette etc. but law in UIA is definitely different from UM. architecture in LUCT is of totally different standard from UTM. the question that pops to their mind is, "why is it different? cant u have one standard for all? will i learn more here or there? what about job prospects?" etc.

i'm sure u're aware of all these questions.

If the LAN expired,will it be dangerous?Scare no one recognised the certificate.How about Curtin

dangerous? no it wont kill u if that's what u think.

lets say u will finish ur degree in 2007. the school accreditation expires in 2006. if the school did not get themselves reaccredited, u'll find urself graduating with a non-accredited degree. in such cases, it will REALLY depends on ur seniors' reputation.

if they have good reputation, it'll be easier for u to get a job. but i cant say the same if u want to continue ur studies (ie, diploma -> degree).

I see and thanks for your clarification. Seniors reputation you mean those seniors that graduated from that uni is it?


One more question. Is double major courses offered by Curtin approve by LAN?

This post has been edited by nightzstar: Jul 4 2006, 01:40 PM

Anybody answer please

check at www.lan.gov.my if it is there,then it is accredited,if not sorry man

what courses that is acredited by LAN in UTAR? smoneone knows please tell me..

It's not true that PTPTN gives out loans to accredited programmes ONLY.

Although PTPTN announced that they will only give out loans for accredited programmes only from July 2006 submission onwards, there have been cases where they do provide PTPTN loan to courses that has minimum standards.

You have rightly pointed out that even very well run programmes that has minimum standard approval can't get accreditation until they have run the full programme (they have final year students graduating).

However, LAN does give out provisional accreditation, for minimum standards. This is recognised by PTPTN. They do provide loans for courses that receive provisional accreditation, even for those courses that have been recently approved with minimum standards.

Simple, just check the LAN website. www.lan.gov.my

Do note that UTAR is a relatively new university and may not have many accredited programmes. But they have provisional accreditation anyway....which allows for PTPTN loan applications.

How do i know whether an overseas degree is approved by LAN or JPA?
Also, how to get the correspondance letter from LAN/JPA? How to apply for that? Pls help

This post has been edited by niu_niu: Nov 3 2006, 09:11 PM

Hi, I'm new here =P

Do anyone here know where to find the ranking of Universities in Japan?

I searched for so long.. (T_T) no progress..

care to tell why you wanna know?

you can search for JASSO organization for more study details in Japan.

Interested in knowing it.

For everyone's knowledge

Thanks for the info

This post has been edited by uchan: Nov 9 2006, 10:00 AM

Judging from your picture, you might be more interested with Japanese girls rather than Japanese studies..

oh universities wont adopt LAN standard anytime soon. as they try to fulfill higher standard, like US standard now. well that OBE stuff. Outcome Based Learning. dunno know much bout it, but u can alwiz google. local universities want to compete globally, that's y.

Learning japanese is definitely fun also...haha

If Petronas(UTP) was considered as one of the good university in our country, anyone can prove it by showing the University world ranking? I try to find it, but couldn't find the university in the list .. ...


P/s: Just a question .. No need to be angry ..

even got LAN also no use because not regonize by JPA if wan to go for goverment the cert have to at least got JPA (jabatan perkhidmatan Awam) satified......

if it's recognized by LAN, it will be recognized by JPA. LAN is msia's standard for any certificates, and if LAN recognizes a particular certificate, it would mean that JPA will comply as well.

and JPA DOES NOT accreditate schools. they just sponsor students to accredited schools. but since LAN only accreditates local schools, JPA has a list of overseas schools that is based on each country's rating for each school.

if a diploma course can get the loan of PTPTN from gov, does it mean the diploma course is accredited by gov?

anyone know powertek loan/scholar here ? mind to share ur opinion.. i got diploam n now currently in degree.. hate ptptn wanna change n use my diploma application..

anyone ?

any1 noe any college/uni that offer loans to p/t working adults for doin ACCA? just helping my fren to ask.

how to check a degree whether is accepted by local ?

of course UTP wasn't in world ranking because the university is still new...
they just started a few years ago...
UTP has only a few courses such as engineerings and IT...
& the students still in small numbers...
but the qualification is tougher than the other local universities...
they have interviews individually & by groups...
they have IQ test...
& they also have good facilities in coming...
if they operate for more than 20years i think they will be in top 100 world universities...
i said base on interview experience...
i got it but didn't get the Petronas scholarship, so i turn it down...
for those who received their scholar better go...
much more money than other scholar...
although the fees slightly expensive than other universities...
(not compared to private college)

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Added on August 22, 2007, 1:12 pmwhat do u mean by this?
do u want to pursue study in degree or after grad?

This post has been edited by beelzebulletz: Aug 22 2007, 01:12 PM

Check with JPA or individual professional body in your related field.

Let's stop talking nonsense. Just because a university isn't in any international ranking list, it does never mean the university is not good. As a good example, UiTM ranks nowhere but its graduate employment rate is the highest amongst our public universities, even surpassing that of those four THES-ranked, so-called Research Universities (RU). 85-90% of UiTM graduates are either employed or admitted for further studies within three months after graduation (i.e. upon getting their final results and confirmed as graduated).

the international ranking is primarily based on research works and does not reflect the marketability of the graduates.

how well you sell yourself before your prospective employer is much (i mean MUCH) more important than which university you graduated from. employers are looking for graduates, not universities, to hire.

one more, i believe there's no such "bad university". there are only bad-performing students (can talk about university ranking but neglect his/her own ranking) who can't manage to sell themselves well. (jangan marah nanti kena jual... )

it doesn't matter how well your university ranks. it is your rank amongst the huge crowd of graduates that count.

and why should anyone be angry of your question?

i'm talking based on my point of view as a postgraduate student with working experience.


This post has been edited by average.joe: Sep 16 2007, 11:39 PM