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 Aug 12 2013, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(e3b @ Jul 23 2013, 08:20 PM) Hello All, I am just undecided should I register myself to this University called LINCOLN University at PJ. My marks is bad so I cannot applied to TAYLOR/HELP without 1 year foundation again. I filled up the enquiry form in the website and they offered me the course, Bachelor in Hospitality Management. I check in MQA, the course I wanna enrol is not in the list. However, when I check on the LINCOLN website: http://www.lincoln.edu.my/programmetemplat...F1-09F78D4DE815there is the code written: KPT/JPS(PA0794)01/17 What does the code means. It means this subjected is accredited right?Please correct me if I wrong. I am confused.  I never heard of this Uni before. How is the UNi, any ex students from this Uni. Mind to share. I have a friend got JPA and being offered to study Pharmacy in this UNI. Since JPA also offered to study at this UNI, so I assume this Uni is like UTAR,Taylor , etc. Good reputation kind. I ask around, no one seems to have infor about the UNI. I am also confuse about the subject is it accredited or approved by LAN. As I plan to apply PTPTN loan. Please help. Anyone. Thanks in advance.  If your result is not good, definitely, they will encourage you to take up diploma instead of degree.... Even students with good result, they have to study for a year of foundation. Unless, you have completed foundation with so-so result. My advice, check with them and see what do they offers you. Check the offer letter. Definitely, something is amiss. Apart from that, check their hospitality management facilities.... not many universities in M'sia have full facilities for example: Berjaya. Paid a visit to Berjaya or Sunway and experience what is hospitality management and you will have the idea of what to expect from your programme. Check if this programme merely classroom centered, however hospitality programme requires practice; then you should be able to decide if they are the right place for you to study. To me, it is all about your future... About time, to pick up and focus on your future by having better grades... or else, you will suffer again when you are choosing your occupation later.... Code: It is just a registration number with MOHE/MQA. Get the offer letter because there are even con-counsellor who know nothing about local regulation or they purposely attracts you to join them. After the induction session, they will reveal the true color... good luck |
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Aug 12 2013, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(fredolim @ Mar 20 2012, 01:34 PM) is the summer program that tarc do wih sheffield hallam uni recognised by the malaysia government?heard many ppl say its actually quite controversial that 3 months can get a degree from advance diploma. can anyone shed some light here?i had called the useless office in tarc and no one can come clean on it. my son is enrolling in it so you can imagine my anxiety when i hear these.
Added on March 21, 2012, 3:23 pmA letter to the media from a parent of my son's classmate Dear All
I’m a father of 3 college going young adults. The eldest just completed his studies while the other 2 younger one is still studying at the same local college in Kuala Lumpur. My Eldest son is did engineering, 2nd son is doing his advance diploma in Accounting and the youngest one doing his A-Levels.
This letter is written as a result of what happened to my eldest son.He graduated with a degree from via the summer program route in UK, which is held in collaboration with the college that he was with.It was a short 3 months program held in collaboration with the local college for student to obtain their Bachelor degree qualification. While embarking on his job search after graduation he was told by many employers during his interview of a few scenarios,1) that his qualification is not being recognized in Malaysia and thus, his application was declined, 2)while some actually told him he will be considered as a diploma graduand and thus, be accorded to the salary range of that level, 3) the worst case was that he was declined outright even when he mentioned that he is willing to start from scratch and be given the opportunity to show what he can do and he proposed a salary of $1500rmfor a start.
Some kind HR Managers and interviewers advised him take a proper recognized degree all over again so that he can be better equipped for his job search. Despite all the disappointment and frustrations, I searched through a few local universities that provided similar bachelor courses to enquire whether he be able to undergo perhaps additional studies in their bachelor degree(in a similar field) and whether he can be given exemptions for the studies but to astonishment, he was told that he has to start from year 2 for his degree studies despite the fact that he had completed more than 4 years of study after his SPM, and had gotten a Diploma, Advance Diploma and a Summer degree, which is a Honours degree in the UK! His previous study was only recognised to be equivalent to that of a diploma. That is a complete waste of time and money that I’ve poured in for so many years, not to mention all the hard work that my son had went through. While I must admit it was partly my fault not to make sure the pathway taken is fully recognized in the industry and the Malaysia Government, it is very sad to know that the college who claimed to be affiliated to the education ministry, with former high ranking minister as its patron and with such long history in Malaysia, is actually providing pathways which are not properly recognised in both the industry and relevant authorities.
Thus I’m writing in today to urge all parents and students who to check with the Ministry of higher education (MOHE) or Malaysia quality assurance (MQA) and even the public service commssion (JPA)before enrolling into any programs, particularly those with overseas link up and too good to be true diploma to degree conversion. I am amazed by how fast and efficient the MOHE and MQA assisted me with my request whole-heartedly and gave me affirmative reply on my query on the recognition on my son qualifications. (Yes, it was informed that the qualification is indeed not recognised in Malaysia) It’s just a very simple and easy step by calling both MOHE and MQA to check on your registered course. Their number can be easily obtained online which makes it so easy to ensure that the pathway taken by students is a proper and valid one.
Lastly, I wished to express my utmost disaapoinment with the UK university in which my son graduated which continues to provide dubious and non-accredited program for pure profit and not even care whether the students degree are even useful or recognised in Malaysia.
Thank you.
Added on March 24, 2012, 8:59 pmFor the reading pleasure of those students who wants to do Sheffield Hallam University summer program at TARC after advance diploma. This is the F*#! up attitude of the University people towards my query. In short, the summer program is not recognised by JPA. Read the email from below to top for better understanding. From: Freddy Lim [mailto:XXXXXXXXX.com]
Sent: 23 March 2012 04:11
To: Wah, Swee Hwa; enquiries@shu.ac.uk;
Subject: Re: Summer program at Sheffield Hallam University
Dear Mr Wah, Director of Sheffield Hallam University, South East Asia office,
I had went to the link you mentioned a few times and called the MQA hotline : 03-79687002 and spoken to the duty officer manning the phone. Please try and call and asked whether your university summer program is recognised or not and you will know. Me and a group of concerned parents had called MQA and JPA, as well as running our own online checks and views. The JPA link you sent, the summer program is not there, so please do not tell me your Universities has 1000 courses etc, the purpose of my email is to ask specifically about the summer program.
Mentioning YOUR UNIVERSITY in the same breath as Harvard University? There is not a comparison nor an example. This is a travesty. Please do not assume you are an Ivy league University. Before you continue your spurious facts, let me kindly enlighten you here, you punch in the keyword "University of Wales" in the same page and you will get this as a recognised overseas university. Therefore, please have all your facts ready before shooting your mouth off, or in this case, keyboards. If my son is going to an Ivy League University, rest assured that i will not be sending queries as such. However, my son is now enrolling onto your University, which not many people out of TARC college had known of and therefore, the result of this email query.
I have never doubted the good intentions of TARC and your University. I m now asking certain questions, which i m sure you will agree that as a parent and the person who is paying for the tutition fees, have the right to do so.
Teaching me or telling me that my son should enter government Universities is uncalled for and it seemed ridiculous that you are even sugessting it. Are you saying that TARC students are not suitable to enter Civil Service? or are you implying that I had made the wrong choice by sending my son to TARC and now I have no choice and should not be asking so many questions? In which ever ways, i m very disappointed that someone representing the University replied in such a condescending attitude.
Using your faulted logic and example of TARC students lecturing in Sheffield Hallam University and working as government servant in the UK etc, i think you entirely missed the point i m driving here. Totally amazing to me and my group of TARC student parents, whom i had copied in this email as well.
Also, you mentioned that you do not have the knowledge how many students are working within the government department is again uncalled for as it wasn't part of my query in the 1st place. However, since you mentioned this, then I would like to ask "do you mean to say that students who graduated from the summer program usually do not go to government departments or is it just to camoflage the fact that they are rejected from serving in the civil service or worst, are you implying that the graduates from your summer program is too high and almighty and do not need to work in the malaysia civil service?" Please be clear here.
Finally, i m very surprised at the ever condescending and pompous attitude that you had displayed here. Failing to answer my queries, going round in circles with spurious arguments and dodgy examples is already bad enough. The fact that you are now asking me to withdraw my son ASAP, without even the slightest intentions of answering my queries takes your condescending attitude to the next higher level. It does seemed to us that Sheffield Hallam University condone such attitude.
I have no intention of arranging a meet up, neither do the rest of the parents concerned as your burlesque reply and spurious examples had made all of us decide to withdraw our kids from your program and i will defintely make an official withdrawal when i m back in KL in another 10 days.
Thank you very much for assisting me on making the choice to withdraw. I guess my son will be very much transformed after this decision.
Freddy Lim
From: "Wah, Swee Hwa" <S.H.Wah@shu.ac.uk>
To: Freddy Lim <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com>
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012, 0:59
Subject: RE: Summer program at Sheffield Hallam University
Dear Mr. Freddy,
May I know the name of the MQA Officer that you spoke to as I also need to ask him for clarification. If you go to their Malaysia Qualfication Register; link as per below:-
http://www.mqa.gov.my/mqr/english/ecarianakr.cfm
You only will find Higher Education Institution in Malaysia. Try to type in "Harvard University", and you will get "Your search does not return any result. Please try again." So does this means Harvard University is not recognised by MQA and Malaysia Government ?
JPA on the other hand we do have quite a number of courses registered with them previously but definitely not all our 1,000 courses are registered. You can search for the qualification in this JPA website:
http://pengiktirafan.jpa.gov.my/
The collaboration between TARC and Sheffield Hallam University is with full good intention to provide high quality education to students that are looking for cross-cultural exposure so that it will benefit the student when they are in the work force.
As for government job, every government have their own employment policy. As far as I know if your son wants to work for the government, he should study in UM, UKM, UPM, UTM,USM and other govenrment universities which usually will be easier to be absorbed to the civil service.
At the same breath, I don't really know how many TARC students actually work with the government department ?
We do have TARC students that are lecturing now in Sheffield Hallam University, earning UK Government salary as a government servant.
May I suggest that we meet up so that I can give you more detail explanation.
Let me assure you that there is no obligation at all for you to put your son through this program. The choice is yours and if you think this program is not suitable for your son then do withdraw your son from the program soonest possible.
Thank you so much for your input and hope we can meet. (I should be back by next Wednesday)
Warm regards,
Wah Swee Hwa
Director
Sheffield Hallam University
South East Asia Office
Suite 19A-21-3A, Level 21
UOA Center, 19 Jalan Pinang
50450 Kuala Lumpur
MALAYSIA
Mobile: +6013-602 8833
Tel: +603 21712239
Fax: +603 21712396
Email: s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk<mailto:s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk>
Web: www.shu.ac.uk
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From: Freddy Lim [XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:36 PM
To: Wah, Swee Hwa
Subject: Re: Summer program at Sheffield Hallam University
Hi Mr Wah
From my tele conversation yesterday with the MQA officer and also the JPA officer, they mentioned that some UK and overseas Universities are recognised by them. Therefore, there is some contradiction in your reply by saying that MQA is only relevant in Malaysia. I had done some checks on my own and realised that your University is indeed not recognized by MQA, MOHE and most importantly JPA, while some UK Universities are. This means that if my son wants to enter civil service in Malaysia, he will not be able to do so as a degree level applicant with the summer program degree from SHU! This has been confirmed to me by Encik Mohd from JPA when i called him and there had been many cases that students were being rejected with the degree from your University!!!
I m very disappointed that the much touted and popular program in TARC and your University is actually not recognised by our own malaysia government!!
My son applied for the building and construction management.
Would you clarify please? It is making me very worried as well.
Freddy Lim
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From: "Wah, Swee Hwa" <S.H.Wah@shu.ac.uk>
To: Freddy Lim <XXXXXXXXXXXX.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012, 21:43
Subject: RE: Summer program at Sheffield Hallam University
Dear Mr. Freddy,
Thank you for your email.
MQA recognition is for local institution and does not cover overseas universities. Sheffield Hallam University is a public university owned by the government of UK and are subject to "QAA" quality audit.
So MQA is only relevant in Malaysia Higher Education Institution that delivers program in Malaysia soil not in UK. For UK program you should look at QAA instead.
Hope this explains. May I know what is the course that your son apply ?
I'm currently in Vietnam so might have intermittent internet connection and thus delay in answering you.
Thank you.
Warm regards,
Wah Swee Hwa
Director
Sheffield Hallam University
South East Asia Office
Suite 19A-21-3A, Level 21
UOA Center, 19 Jalan Pinang
50450 Kuala Lumpur
MALAYSIA
Mobile: +6013-602 8833
Tel: +603 21712239
Fax: +603 21712396
Email: s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk<mailto:s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk><mailto:s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk<mailto:s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk>>
Web: www.shu.ac.uk
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From: Freddy Lim [XXXXXXXXXXXXX.com<mailto:XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:08 PM
To: s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk<mailto:s.h.wah@shu.ac.uk>
Subject: Fw: Summer program at Sheffield Hallam University
Dear Mr Wah
My son had enrolled onto the summer program(Business) at your university for this coming intake and already paid the deposit.I had some queries regarding ths program. I went to TARC last week to ask and was then given your email as the most senior representative of the University in malaysia so i like to check with you something. Some of my friends informed me that tis program is not registered nor approved by the Malaysia government, is that true? Is the program recognised by MQA and the JPA? i know TARC and your university is very well established but not sure why people are saying this. Can you please let me know?
Appreciate your prompt response. Thank you very much.
Freddy Lim
 any idea why engineering course is not recognise by board of engineers in m'sia.. engineering courses takes 4 years, but why TRAC+Shallam only 3 years? |
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Aug 12 2013, 04:59 PM
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Too many parents are anxious about their children's future but they are not pretty "educated" in the field of higher education institutions.
I came across few friends who did their 1st degree at private U, but unfortunately, I came from a poor family and did mine at public university far north of M'sia.
To compare with their English proficiency, I believe I am still far away from their Band 6 standard. But, to compare on "employability", I am not far less from them. In fact, the background that I have earned from my dissertation's supervisors who have given me extra length to pursue my doctorate today.
If you wanted to enroll your son/daughter in private U, please check their library rather the swimming pool or tennis court, their lecturers' academic qualification rather the university's ranking, number of intakes in a year, engineering labs and if the engineering programmes are accreditated by the board of engineer M'sia.
Before I joined the world of academia, I thought it is easy to become lecturer. It was infact, true with roadside colleges/ universities where I was required to teach 5-8 subjects, coordinating students' activities and marking of exam papers and scripts all year round because my school has 5 intakes in a year. They are just using the academic staff to print out the money. It is true from the business perspectives.
But, now with this current institution, apart from the printed job responsibilities, the lecturers were rewards for producing papers/ adding knowledge into our own field of study, students that we have supervised have the research skills which they can use for future academic advancements, 2 intakes in a year where rests of the time, we sit down and discuss the learning outcomes of a module/ programme, having games/ activities with our students (organised by students as part of their learning experience), establishing code of professionalism etc.
Choose the one which is best for their future.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 2 2013, 11:48 AM) Sir, What do you think of our IPTA compares to IPTS in term s of quality teaching, graduates that one produces, market employeability per se ? Thanks. Pretty difficult to evaluate who is better. Still, I am a local graduate but I have no problem with employability, learning new skills/ knowledge and development opportunities. But, I can see graduates from those colleges/universities offering degree in engineering which is not recognised by the board of engineer are suffering from unemployment issue. If given me another opportunity, I will choose IPTA. Fees that I have paid is commensurate with the quality teaching and not far less employabilitiness than IPTS graduates unless you are comparing with top notch universities in Malaysia. If you are referring to communication skill in Bahasa Malaysia, bear in mind that there is less books in Bahasa Malaysia than English. Do you think that we can continue in bahasa m'sia when we moving upward (level 1 to level 3 or postgrad)? If you are investigative in nature, you will pick up and learn something which is new to you, unless you are lazy. Not always neighbor's grass is greener. |
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