the whole L*N, M**E accreditation thing is all about M***y issue lah. sorry for typing like this....because of sensitive issue... if you study this whole accreditation process.... you will understand why i say like this...

sorry to those who are offended by this statement

This post has been edited by seisuichai: Oct 15 2007, 12:27 AM

hey bro....i never said anything about the malays. it was never intended to offend any malays... u are just assuming i am saying it as for the malays because its a government sector. i dun care who is working in there, chinese, malays, indians....

tell me...what is the real purpose of accreditation? i am a student started my college days since 1998. that time programmes weren't accredited and there was no need for one. LAN has not even existed till 1999 and they started the whole LAN subject thing.

i can understand the good purpose of the LAN subject thing. back 2003 till 2004, everyone can borrow PTPTN loan for any programme when 2200+ programme out of 25000++ programme were accredited. the PTPTN mission went wrong when many people borrow money but never return. and then u know what happen in the middle of the process lah...

and then when PTPTN says they need LAN accreditation to borrow money, all colleges started to apply for accreditation and within one year additional 8000+ programme were accredited. but does the process help the student any better in terms of their education?

i am sure u know how much the college are paying for accrediation process per programme?

i know LAN checking and the process is to ensure better administrative work and education quality in the college and students get what they pay for. but does it require the college to pay so much for accrediting a programme.? I know its hard work to do all the checking, you think i am just a student right?

small money issue?? i doubt so..

sorry lah if u feel offended ok..... this is not intended to offend anyone... just voicing out my view..

This post has been edited by seisuichai: Oct 15 2007, 01:36 AM

how much we pay... in short....a lot lah... a lot of programme mah

so if u are saying that if a student studies for a programme nobody has ever heard of.then the big boys like taylors, sunway, monash, kdu, inti all masuk longkang ler...

actually...to make things easier and less taxing, PTPTN can accept and reject any application they see fit or no fit mah..

like the dunno which department these days, simply let any tom, d*** and hary open college. that's is why the newer colleges are spoiling the market. if MoHE and LAN is concern about education quality, they wouldn't have let anyone simply open college and approve new programmes... it all comes down to "Encik, nak open college kena bayar berapa, nak programme approval kena bayar berapa?"

clearly, the big colleges are well known for their diploma and degree programmes, but if dun have LAN accrediation then how? cannot borrow? as i know... per accreditation costs about 5k for diploma, 7k for degree and 10k-15k for Masters and PhD level. wah... banyak tu...

sorry ah..off topic a bit... then all the money collected...used for funding the space programme, i heard is about 90 million or.... i dunno whether its worth while or wasting money....

anyway....

i know the simple process of programme approval, minimum standard and accreditation... for whatever how long and tedious the task is.... at the end of day its all about the money ler.... like you say LAN only came in at 1997... then those graduated before 1997 with no LAN accreditation cannot work in government sector?

if like that, may i say that all our PMs and Ministers, Police force, All Head of Government officers also didn't study a LAN accredited programes, so how can they work in government sectors?

like a lot universities these days who are offering masters programmes, criteria to enter, an accredited degree, so how about those who graduated with programmes without accreditation cannot do our masters?

just my 2 cents ler... actually is no point pursuing this matter....

end of the day. a good uni or a good college is decided by lots of research... and cannot be determined solely by JPA, LAN or MoHE....
Malaysia have a lot of good college with twinning programmes with top universities from overseas....

its up to the parents and students to study.... right or not?

aiyah... u and me both mixed up,... doesn't matter ler... life goes on... and please be a little more polite and do not point to any one "you"(with underline)

i didn't pursue this matter at all... just expressing my views... that all...