Let's stop talking nonsense. Just because a university isn't in any international ranking list, it does never mean the university is not good. As a good example, UiTM ranks nowhere but its graduate employment rate is the highest amongst our public universities, even surpassing that of those four THES-ranked, so-called Research Universities (RU). 85-90% of UiTM graduates are either employed or admitted for further studies within three months after graduation (i.e. upon getting their final results and confirmed as graduated).

the international ranking is primarily based on research works and does not reflect the marketability of the graduates.

how well you sell yourself before your prospective employer is much (i mean MUCH) more important than which university you graduated from. employers are looking for graduates, not universities, to hire.

one more, i believe there's no such "bad university". there are only bad-performing students (can talk about university ranking but neglect his/her own ranking) who can't manage to sell themselves well. (jangan marah nanti kena jual... )

it doesn't matter how well your university ranks. it is your rank amongst the huge crowd of graduates that count.

and why should anyone be angry of your question?

i'm talking based on my point of view as a postgraduate student with working experience.


This post has been edited by average.joe: Sep 16 2007, 11:39 PM

I did never mean to irritate you or anyone else, and I just wanted to clear out the myth. Look into yourself first before you ever equate me (or anyone else) to "a low-qulification" person.

Perhaps my reply was a bit too strongly-worded (I'm really sorry for that) for you to accept, but at least I brought up my points clear.

If you think the way I write was improfessional, then your previous questioning of UTP's standing was also not professional enough either (is it ever fair to question the international standing of a relatively new university?). Thus, is it wrong for me to answer according to your level? Don't have to pity me, pity yourself instead.

It's even more irritating when people talk on things they did never really know. Before we ever talk about those so-called ranking, do we ever aware of the myriad methodologies taken by those ranking-makers?

It's pretty embarrassing to find out why did to of our universities got ranked so high by THES in their 2004 ranking. Those "smart" (yes, very smart) THES researchers had mistakenly classified ethnic Chinese and Indian students as"international students" when they are truly Malaysians by nationality, thus erratically booming the marks under the international student proportion category.

If even those ranking-makers can do silly mistakes like this, could we ever rely on the rankings they have made?

No need to remind me to google more. I know the facts about UiTM because I googled more. I could answer you more and more and this would even be more annoying to some, but i guess you could find the answer on your own by doing exactly what you told me to do, yourself.

but as a good argument about UiTM, let's read this http://www.bernama.com/selangor_maju/newsb...=209270&lang=my

...especially the last two paragraphs:

Beliau (UiTM VC Prof. ato. Dr. Ibrahim Abu Shah) menyangkal statistik yang dikeluarkan oleh Kementerian Sumber Manusia bahawa graduan UiTM merupakan jumlah yang tertinggi menganggur iaitu seramai 3,000 orang berbanding universiti lain.

Ibrahim berkata jumlah itu tidak menepati prinsip asas statistik kerana jumlah 3,000 itu sepatutnya dibandingkan dengan 30,000 graduan yang dikeluarkan oleh UiTM dan bukan dibandingkan dengan keseluruhan jumlah graduan menganggur yang kerana ada antara mereka datangnya dari universiti yang mempunyai jumlah pelajar yang kecil.

look, out of 30,000 UiTM graduates in a year, only 3,000 can't land a job. this is where i get the percentage i mentioned before. other universities each produce an average of 5,000 graduates per year, yet 1,000+ of them failed to land a job or to further their study.

This post has been edited by average.joe: Sep 17 2007, 01:18 AM

It is not the university's fabricated statistics like you've (baselessly) claimed, but rather a centralised mandatory survey imposed upon graduates, conducted by the Ministry of Higher Education, which is then submitted to the Ministry of Human Resources. every fresh graduate MUST answer the survey otherwise they will never receive their official scroll and academic transcript. There's no way any university could intervene to falsify the data.

And here, obviously you still want to defend your baseless, weakly-founded, ill-informed "benang basah". If you don't even trust the information from those Ministries, then conduct your own survey, if you ever can.

Obviously you have "googled a lot" to the extent that you are relying only on few blog articles. It's rather easy even for any 15-year-old to say without any data that "there are thousands of graduates from that Sipolan-Sipolan University don't get any job". But, who will ever trust your words then? Even right now, you are answering just for the sake of answering and frankly speaking, you are now talking even more nonsense.

To criticise or to discredit people (or institutions) is easy, but it is the data that count. At least it's much more reliable than those blog articles you have been relying to. Of course I can choose (like you) to listen to myriad stories of this and that bla bla bla... but then, how true is true? Furthermore, do the problems face UiTM graduates only? Can you ever guarantee that everything is OK in the other institutions?

Of course, that figure of 3,000 jobless UiTM graduates is rather large whatever the percentage is. But to be fair, and for your argument to be worthwhile, you should compare those 3,000 to a total of 30,000 graduates leaving UiTM every year. Why are some quarters too afraid to admit the fact that the other 27,000 or 90% have managed to either land a job or further study?

And yes, UiTM (and each other institutions on earth) is not (and never) without weaknesses. Research and postgraduate programmes are still new to UiTM compared to other universities. Logically, what much could we expect from a former vocational-technical institute that was elevated to a university just 8 years ago? but at least, UiTM did it. They managed to produce marketable graduates. Given a rather challenging job market nowadays, it has never been easy for any univesity to achieve 90% graduate employment, but UiTM did it.

This post has been edited by average.joe: Sep 17 2007, 05:13 AM

In return, ARE you even sure those blogs you have been reading and believing are at least partly true that you trust them more than you do trust official data? While some of them might be partly true, the rest are downright 15-year-old after-school talks.

What real job? What menial job? No job is too menial if one really wants to learn. I have seen so many graduates form other universities also working in their parents' shops, selling cakes and ice-cream, tapping their grandfather's rubber plantations, teaching PMR/SPM tuitions, and myriad of other jobs one can ever think of, not only those from UiTM. Unless if you are here with some derogatory agenda, I don't see any reason why should you raise this particular "menial jobs" issue since this is not exclusive to (some) UiTM and IPTA graduates only but also to other graduates.

Just because they are working out of their academic discipline, I does not mean they are not good. Have you ever heard of Synergy Farm Sdn. Bhd. agriculture franchise in Penang? I know its banana plantation in Seberang Prai at which most of the participants are engineering graduates. Nowadays that their first harvest is already out plus many other side-crops they have been working hard on, they are already earning as good as, if not better than, those engineers in average private companies.

Your comments showed how narrow-minded you are. (sorry for bombarding you with strong words again but this time I really think I have to!) No wonder so many fresh graduates nowadays prefer to stay at home all the times "menghabiskan beras mak bapak" rather than at least doing something that earns, just because they can't land their dream jobs. Why? Because they share your mentality. Lazy, yet picky!

I did NEVER say that those official surveys are 100% true, but at least they are MUCH more reliable than those half-truths-plus-some-downright-lies blogs you have been relying on for your information and stand. There is no such 100% accurate thing in this age of information, but at least I can prefer the more reliable ones.

Do you think the govt can't check with the EPF, Registry of Business, the Jabatan Tenaga Rakyat and the likes? Like what I've said before, if you are too skeptical of those official data, then go and conduct your own "accurate", "true" and "professional" survey and share it with us! Nah, this is my challenge for you.

"I don't know why should I involved in this thread." -- Look, you aren't even sure of what do you actually want from (and what do you wish to share in) this thread. Frankly speaking, I can conclude this in only one word - silly. And you clearly said that you were jobless during your graduation, any good idea why did it take noticeably long for you to land your first job? Do ask yourself. And you lied in the survey, stating that you were already working. Is this what you learnt during your 3-4 years at the university - to tell lies? Worse still, you think the other graduates are all liars like you. My goodness!

p/s: "againts"? "most good"? ROFL... no wonder you were unemployed then. Watch your language!

This post has been edited by average.joe: Sep 18 2007, 08:17 AM

Why delete? Is it on advice from a good forum member (not "forummer"), or on fear of more counter-points from me if I ever came across your reply?

Who's that Mr. Nonsense? I guess it's you yourself.

You can't even spell some common words properly. You'd better off spending some time to improve your English grammar rather than putting your pride into a gamble in serious topics like this. Save your time, save your pride.

This post has been edited by average.joe: Sep 20 2007, 07:27 AM

Typing error? If you ever read his/her replies in this thread, he/she has been spelling "againts" instead of "against" all the time. Is it a typing error after all?

Nevertheless, part of the blame goes to me, too. I did admit that my first reply to his/her question was a bit too strongly-worded for him/her to accept but at least I apologised and made my points clear then. However, he/she had clearly started trolling after that, thus deserving my bullets.

This post has been edited by average.joe: Sep 20 2007, 04:47 PM