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post Feb 24 2006, 08:28 PM, updated 18y ago

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Well lately, I've seen a lot of new courses appearing in MMU. My batch, they introduced Artificial Intelligence course, after my batch Security Technology. This coming June intake, they will introduce Bio-related IT course. A new faculty is coming soon too. Well, if a student who took this new courses, one of the worries are LAN, JPA and MOHE. Sometimes student thought that this courses that are offered are already LAN approved not knowing it when they applied for it .Well, MOHE certainly will approved the course, but what will happen to the first batch of student that has not been approved by LAN? As I know JPA won't give out the scholarship for the LAN not approved programmes. And how about PTPTN? In the initial state,my friend who took Artificial Intelligence, had a shock when they heard that PTPTN has not approved the loan for his programmes. Luckily somehow after discusion between administrator and PTPTN, they allowed it. How about this new courses? Will PTPTN abandoned them because of not LAN accreditated?

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If the Minister grants approval for the programme to be conducted, MMU can then admit students for the approved programme. After the programme has been conducted for about two years, MMU will then apply for accreditation of the programme. This two years' experience is required because parts of the evaluation requirement are:

1. the programme must have final year students
2. students' final year project/thesis will be evaluated by the LAN assessors.

For the accreditation exercise, a LAN team will visit MMU usually over a two day period to conduct the following:

+ interview with the lecturers
+ interview with the students
+ interview with the administrative staff
+ observation on selected lectures
+ visits to academic facilities (laboratory, library, lecture room, etc.)
+ to verify relevant documents (exam papers, staff and student file, administrative matters, etc.)

Subsequent to this visit, the team will submit a report to LAN on its finding. This report will be considered by the Board of LAN and a decision will then be made on whether the accreditation shall be granted or denied.
This is what I quote from MMU website on LAN accredation. Just wondering,what will happen to the degree of the student from the first batch because they are the white mouse. How if LAN not approved it? What consequences this student face? Another thing is how to differentiate a good University or Colleges? University /Colleges that provided more programmes are deemed good? MMU alone have 111 programmes itself from diploma to PhD shocking.gif but true . Can anyone share your opinion about this question?

This Questiion can be applied anywhere not only in MMU. Just share what you know.

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post Feb 24 2006, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Feb 24 2006, 08:54 PM)
Since MMU is a local university, i don't see a problem why LAN or the education ministry want to reject it smile.gif
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But how about the overseas Uni or colleges? What are the quality deemed to be fit for their assesment? Different in what terms? Well, sometimes you can't say because it is a local university, they won't reject it. There is still probabilty for them to reject too.

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post Feb 24 2006, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(feynman @ Feb 24 2006, 09:05 PM)
All courses offered at all private colleges are approved by LAN. The issue is about accreditation, not approval.
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yeap. That is what I mean blush.gif
So, is it counted as their degree are accreditated although they are still doing the assessment and coming with the result? Since FYP is usually offered in final 2 sem for us in MMU. If the accreditation is given after they receive their scroll, meaning their degree is accreditation approved or the next batch after them? unsure.gif
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post Feb 25 2006, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(feynman @ Feb 24 2006, 09:21 PM)
good for them.....
I wouldn't know. You shouldn't worry too much if you intend to have nothing to do with the government after your studies.
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If let say have no other choice , have to work with government, they won't be hired?

QUOTE(felixwhoals @ Feb 25 2006, 01:30 AM)
For local institutions, in order to get LAN accrediation, the institution itself has to have experience lecturers, well-balanced IT and library facilities and other aspects need to be considered!
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Okay, let say this college/Uni programmes is LAN accreditated. Somehow when the student study half way, LAN take back their accreditation(don't know if this possibe to happen or not sweat.gif ), then counted as degree without LAN accreditation?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 27 2006, 02:10 AM)
here's what i can share:

in order for a college to get accreditation, they have to start the course first with the first batch of students. part of the accreditation process is that the students' works are reviewed and scrutinized by experts from the related field. for example, new artificial intelligence courses in college ABC will be assessed by malaysian experts in artificial intelligence, probably some people from other established universities or industry. if the course is relatively new in malaysia, LAN will appoint external experts to assess.

usually, in establishing a new course, the college will need qualified lecturers and most importantly, the structure of the course. facilities could come second. this structures are easily adapted using established overseas courses.

in order to obtain certification (not accreditation) from LAN, they will have to prove that their course complies to the minimum international standards. once it has been confirmed, they can start the course.

usually, the first 3-4 batches are will not get an accredited degree, but their degree is certified to comply with minimum standards, which means, still fit to practice, although not necessarily 100% accepted by everyone.

for example, only 4 out of 16 schools of architecture in malaysia are accredited to award full architectural degrees. so what about the other 12 (including LUCT, taylor's, UPM, UIA, UKM, etc)? the graduates are qualified enough to work, but they will need to seek individual accreditation themselves from the respective bodies.
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It seems not that fair to the 1st batch to the student who take the degree ain't ? Hmm, so much trouble for taking a non-accreditated programmes really sweat.gif
After all, they are the benchmark for the coming batch. One get and one doesn't get.
After all, theytook the risk to choose the new course which is relatively new to the country and which might be usefull in future.

QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 27 2006, 04:04 PM)
not necessarily.

accreditation means it complies to the standards that have been set by the industry and other academics. this is something that is agreed upon prior to the accreditation, and they publish the criterias of accreditation so that everyone could refer to it.

accreditation criteria has a much higher standards than criterias of setting up a course. setting up a course have a minimum requirements that doesnt really comply to the industry's standards.

accreditation simply means that ur future employer wont have to double check ur background in order to confirm u r qualified. well, they could just put u into a probation period for 3-6months, but not many are willing to pay u just to test u.
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Now I see what you meant.

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QUOTE(Janice88 @ Mar 3 2006, 03:14 AM)
Mr azarimy:
i need ur advice, i found out that lot of colleges in Penang with "certification of Accreditation" are very expensive. Because of my finacial problem as well, i feel very tention, don't know whether i should just go for a degree course that only approved by LAN(more cheaper,around RM26,000) or i should go for degree course that achieved Accreditation(more expensive,around RM36,000)?

Different between will be RM10,000.

Pls advice,really out of idea.........
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Do you mean approval by MOHE? blink.gif

Getting to a course with accreditation might benefits you later if you plan to works with government agencies. If you're not bother to work with government agencies, there is not much problem too. Read our previous post on this issue. Have you heard of PTPTN? Don't worry. PTPTN will give you the scholarship (loan) if you fulfill the requirement.

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QUOTE(Janice88 @ Mar 3 2006, 11:51 AM)
Sorry stevanistelrooy,i dont understand the term of MOHE?

Actually i have checked through the college that i wanted to study at the LAN website
http://www.lan.gov.my/english/index2eng.htm , and its  under the list of approval and minimum standard. So can i assumed that is approved by LAN?

But its not under the list of achieved Accreditation and obtained their Certificates of Accreditation: -

So the real problem that i consider is whether my bachelor that without accreditation will affect me looking for job in private banking sector or others industries like logistic industry?
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All the courses will be approved first by Ministry of Higher Education( MOHE). After getting approval, they can offer the programmes to us. Take note that all the programmes that have getting approval from MOHE,not all of the approval programmes by MOHE are LAN accreditated. If the college / Uni that you are applying are in the list, make sure what courses that have been accreditated by LAN. You can try by checking the respectitive Uni or college website.

Janice, it is not a problem if you have a degree without a LAN accreditated.But take note that some company prefer to hire LAN accreditated student because they have set a benchmark for that programmes.

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QUOTE(Janice88 @ Mar 3 2006, 02:46 PM)
that's what i'm worry about.....May i know which college or Uni are u in?
by the way,thx for ur help and azarimy as well!  smile.gif
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You're welcome.
I'm from MMU. If wanna ask anything, drop me a PM or visit MMU thread.

Well, it is advisable to take up courses with LAN accreditation though. You can't predict what will happen in future. Taken first precaution is much better rather than regret later on.
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Want to ask furthermore about the accreditation period.
How long they assess it for one time, before proceeding to list it succeed or failure? And is there any time limitation for the acreditation purpose? Like can apply for it until how many times or something like that?
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QUOTE(Haza_izzz @ Apr 14 2006, 10:13 AM)
To all MMU students ,

- I got just my Diploma in Computer Science(collaboration with Universiti Sains Malaysia) in Stamford Collage . i been thinking doing my Degree in MMU for quite awhlie . Do they take examtion for some particular subject , which is related to the my subject which i hav taken at stamford. I khow i need bring along my diploma course outline .
( More info About my Diploma http://www.stamford.edu.my/Courses/details...egoryid=2&id=5)

- What is the requirements to PTPN loan at MMU ? Because , as far as i khow , each Uni or Collage has their own requirements in order to get the PTPN loan....( correct me if i'm wrong... )
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I can't view your course subject. Probably kind enough to post it here?
About subject exemption, it depends. If MMU think it is not relevant, you need to take the particular subject offered by MMU.

PTPTN loan is eligible to all, and it is not under MMU power to decide who gets it or not. wink.gif

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QUOTE(ldhong @ Apr 18 2006, 03:19 AM)
hi, i also need your guys help....currently i m doing DIp in E&E at INTI subang jaya and will be finishing in 1 more sem...One of my options was to MMU to do my degree locally....I would like to ask ppl out there, does MMU offere BEng in E&e????... and does it lan - IEM accredited? does it recognize? heard that MMU only have telecomunications...So can anyone out there mind tellin me
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Please refer to this link MMU LAN accreditated courses

Courses that MMU offers


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QUOTE(ldhong @ May 1 2006, 09:38 PM)
i had check the web but the name of the course is under the "List Of COurses (Approval and Minimum Standards) ".....i am plannin to go INTI college mAlaysia as i did my diploma here in INTI subang....The program is 3+0 Bradford UK, BEng Electrical and electronics engineering......
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What is your diploma course name? It is hard for us to help you if you are unwilling to tell us. Without that course name, we just merely can tell you what we know.

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QUOTE(ldhong @ May 2 2006, 03:14 PM)
i had mention i did my diploma in engineering in INTI College subang jaya....Once again, i am doing my DIPLOMA IN ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS ENGINEERING.....I had also said i am plannin to further my studies at INTI COllege Malaysia a ( 3+0 Uni. Bradford BEng in ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS engineering) ..Are these infor enough??????
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Your diploma is under PTPTN list. So nothing to be worried about. Your intended degree programs are also under PTPTN loan scheme. As for LAN, nothing to worries. If you works in private sector, most of them will not even bothered to ask.

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 25 2006, 05:05 PM)
Is Unitar courses accredited by LAN... Is the certificate recognised worldwide? It is the quality not good?
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This are the courses that are accreditated by LAN for UNITAR

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CERTIFICATE OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
(A 0268)  0188  17 SEPT 2001  18 SEPT 2001  17 SEPT 2006
CERTIFICATE OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
(A 0269)  0189  17 SEPT 2001  18 SEPT 2001  17 SEPT 2006
FOUNDATION COURSE (MANAGEMENT)
(A 0499)  0336  16 AUG 2002  17 AUG 2002  16 AUG 2006
DIPLOMA IN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
(A 1268)  01219  19 DEC 2005  22 APR 2005  21 APR 2010
BACHELOR OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
(A 0260)  0198  17 SEPT 2001  18 SEPT 2001  17 SEPT 2006
BACHELOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY (HONS)
(A 0259)  0214  26 NOV 2001  27 NOV 2001  26 NOV 2006
BACHELOR OF MANAGEMENT (HONS)
(A 0509)  0315  15 JUL 2002  16 JUL 2002  15 JUL 2007
BACHELOR OF INFORMATION SYSTEMS (HONS)
(A 0500)  0341  30 OCT 2002  11 AUG 2002  10 AUG 2007
MASTER OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT
(A 0257)  0197  15 OCT 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
MASTER OF INFORMATION AND MULTIMEDIA TECHNOLOGY
(A 0256)  0196  15 OCT 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
MASTER OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
(A 0258)  0213  26 NOV 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
MASTER OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION (ONLINE)
(A 0271)  0215  26 NOV 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY (MANAGEMENT) BY RESEARCH
(A 1154)  01113  22 AUG 2005  07 JAN 2005  06 JAN 2010
Course Name(Axxxx) ->Serial Number->Accreditation Date->Accreditation Start->Accreditation Ends

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 26 2006, 08:59 PM)
Wat does tat mean with Accredition ends? Mean the assesment of the courses are completed or the accredition have to renew again? Is LAN only does matter if u want to work in govt sector?
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QUOTE(juliangoh @ Jun 26 2006, 09:02 PM)
I noticed that most of you are concerning of LAN or any accreditation issues, why can;'t you look into the quality of your studies, and is the program really help you in long run? 
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Yes, I understood what you said. But then, we don't how, when or where our future is. Some of us might ends up with government agencies. And they looks into it.
And this is because, some of us afraid that the courses that they are currently taking is "Paper Terbang", where you don't trust them and their teaching stuff. wink.gif
There are many other issues that are more important that all of us must acknowledge, not only LAN accreditation.
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QUOTE(crypt1k @ Mar 18 2008, 01:46 PM)
where can u check if a certain programme offered by IPTS is atleast approved by MOHE?
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Guess you can check out this :- http://www.lan.gov.my/eskp/index.cfm (provisional accreditation and approval by MOHE)

http://www.lan.gov.my/mqr/index.htm (have received MQA/LAN accreditation)

 

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