To be fair, not all accredited degree by our malaysian govt means that it is good.

There is a certain public U which produce graduates which can hardly speak or present good
English and your son definitely won't qualify even with 12A+. I have seen a 2 pages english report submitted by
a guy to our proffesional body and based on that and interview , he qualified as a Ir or Register Architect
I think my kid in form 5 can write better than that and I am serious.

Just because it is set up by the govt , all its course HAD to be recognised.

Of course I don't meant Sheffield Hallam is one of the top U in UK.During Margaret 's time she decided to upgrade
all UK degree awarding colleges to Univ status ( so that it looks good ) and SH is one of them,if I remember correctly.

Sometime it is a tick for tack thing. Because our Univ standard is low overseas govt
do not recognised our degree so in return we do not recognised theirs.

I just went to one of our accredited agency provided by this forum, I could not find the compatible degree standard for the engineering degree ( all faculty ) for National Univ of Singapore.
Imagine my shock . One of the top Univ in this legion even beating our best Univ by a long shot is not listed.

Similarly the ITT in India which provided one of the best engineers in the world and which are grab by US employees are not listed . I take it as not recognised by our govt. So you see it is a joke.A dumb guy not recognising a genius.

Having say all this , the most important thing to weight is whether the your kid learn anything from the study
eg good lecturer always come first before any other things like facilities and equipments.
A good lecturer is able to bring out the core of the subject and make it interesting for all the students.
Don't worry about the equipments ( you are not doing Master or PhD ).You will have yours chance when you start
working in the real world albeit a bit slow but then with a good foundation it should be OK )

Remember even our moronic minister says that we have the best equipments in the world but all our experts migrate overseas ( actually just migrate to our neighbour country) and nobody to operate.

I know that I only apply 5% of what I learn in diploma course in the real world ( 30 years working experience)
,unless you are in the research & development (R&D) which I also had work in but struggling and constantly
need to upgrade your knowledge. So I quit the R&D job

Again practical world does not really need your fantastic Additional Math calculation .Elementary maths will do
Remember ! you are not into research.
So now I only use 5% of what I learn.

A recognised or a Ivee league degree will get you the interview and\or job.

How you climb the social ladder depends on how \who your kids minggled with , the type of lecturers,etc and etc which will build up the kids' character in the long run.

Actually during the old day , people here normally register with a oversea professional body , mostly UK
( with their unrecogised degree ) and then our professional body will have no choice but to register them as well.

Of course they cannot work as civil servant but then who cares ? They can still open their own professional firm
or command professional salary.

The level of english will not improve drastically in the 3 month.I don't blame them .Its our education.Imagine for 12 years of their best year , they are not taught by qualified teachers and BM is given so much emphasis

Honestly speaking, if someone comes and tell me I can upgrade a diploma to a degree in 3 months,
I will say thanks but no thanks

A degree need to be earn with hardship , no free lunch and no short cut.

I told my kids to go thru STPM way and not the short cut matriculation because I want them to stay in school
as long as they can so that they can enjoy school life.
I say " Don't worry you only study 17 years BUT you need to work for ４0 YEAR　！！！！！！！！！！！．
Ｓｏ　ｎｏ　ｈｕｒｒｙ　ｔｏ　ｃｏｍｅ　ｏｕｔ　ｔｏ　ｗｏｒｋ　＂

I had a old friend who have only certificate (age 40+ and probably without full MCE)
did a MBA from a institute locally which were set up by former russian federation state.
Paid 21K and graduate in 7 months ( 5 month part time and 2 month full time because retrenchment
benefit came in and can survive 2 months without job with the money )

He ask the institute is the MBA recognised ?.Answer : We are applying to Govnt.

Not many private sector , again I exclude public sector , know about whether a Univ is bogus or not.

US alone had 5000+ genuine college\Univ and of course some are very low standard nevertheless genuine.

Without reference book ,I don't think Americans name them not to mention our people.

Anyway , if the SH degree is genuine , I don't think the private sector will know how you get it and
it will be recognised.

Provided that it is not in the medicine\engineering\law\accountancy and a few others where they need to be register with the respective Society governing their practices.

If you notice , most 1st and 2nd class Univ do not set up branch overseas.They have more than enough students
in their own countries.

In my opinion , there is no way that our overseas twinning degree is on par with the mother Univ.
The facilties ,eg library , lab , football field , vast recreation land\space is so lacking at all the private Univ.

A truly quality Univ should be build like our Univ Malaya in PJ ，USM in penang ,etc.

Once I was having my lunch at a coffee shop in PJ and on the same row a few shops away is a private Univ.
The shops are 2 storey.The private Univ occupied about 5 lots.Imagine ,coming down from the univ , you are already
1 meter from the public road and all the kedai mamak ，and all the cars on the road shoulder.
This is not the branch but the HQ ( actually no other branch )
I was like , WT shit , what kind of Univ is this ? How it get a Univ status is truly a joke.

Now a day , education is a big $$$$$$$$$ sign and everybody is jumping into it.
Even Berjaya ( and Genting , if i am correct ) also set up a college. Most probably Sime Darby will do the same (joke)

Anyway , generally most people do not know which private Univ is better. Only those people who have work with the Univ graduates can tell but then one rotten egg will spoilt the whole crate too.

Long time ago , I take that TARC had the best standard even among public Univ.
I judge that by the number of 3rd engineering diploma year students coming to my work place for industrial training.Most of them had already pass all the final papers for the UK Engineering Council exams which
qualify them to register as Chartered Engineer , which is like ACCA in account

I don't know how TARC is now a day

Can any one comment ????

Few years ago , I was sitting beside a few private Univ ( quite reputable one ) students and I overhead a junior asking a senior how is the quality of teaching.
The senior said " They used to have a lot of foreign lecturers but now most are replace by local
lecturers "
So you see , it can start of good ,but then profits step and so employed locals which we know is very very
much cheaper than the foreign.

Do you know who actually sit on the accreditation agency in our country ? .
I mean the quality of the people who actually give the accreditation. Did they major in linguistic or even archeology
or any.Are they PhD holder ? Or they just go thru the questionnaires that are sent in by the private Univ?.
Who actually sit \work in the education ministry ?

Just an example. at least engineers sit on the Board of Engineer (BEM) albeit some are from our local inferior Univ
Like I said , other than a few profession that need to be register (law\account\engineer ,etc ) most overseas degree are on their own and our education ministry agency do not have a complete list.
Even BEM cannot do that for engineering alone.BEM sometimes take the short cut way by recognizing a overseas
accreditation group as qualifying mark.

The safest way is to take the final year degree in UK and everything is OK and of course I will never understand
the logic.Why ? A engineering degree from Berlin Univ \Paris Univ\TzinHua Univ\etc will have a lot of difficulties
to register.You need to fight your own way thru.Frustrating , right ?

Unless your kid have every intention to work in the public sector , which I don't , seeing the slim chances and other factor , a recognized degree is just to helps to get the interview and possibly the job. Five years down the line , and it don't make the different unless you want to work overseas or migrate.

Hai Fredolim,

I just just gone thru your posting again.I realise that your eldest kid did a diploma and then a advance diploma (advance ??) , in engineering.

Correct me if I am wrong.
1 . Normally from a diploma from TARC , you move to a degree oversea for a year because of all the 3 year diploma ( exemption given ).
There should not be a advance diploma.
During late 70's , my classmate with MCE can only do certificate in engineering. Diploma needs HSC\A level.
How come your kid can do diploma with SPM (SPM?????????????).
My friend quit even after paying contribution fees.
2 . I have mention in previous post that most diploma candidate in TARC will have taken and past all\final
papers for the CEI ( now Engineering Council, UK). They will qualified to register as chartered engineer , UK
after a few years of working experience , our IEM\BEM will have to recognized them as such.

That is why I mention the engineering course in TARC are good quality.Imagine HSC (now STPM ) and A level
students ( university grade candidates ) only can take the diploma.

How come your kid did not take\pass all the EC papers during TARC time with all the tutoring available?
Waiting for your clarification

Is it because their standard have drop ??

I might sent my kid there too so I also start worry now.

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Added on September 3, 2012, 6:45 pmNormally if I am time and access ( all teen have that nowaday (internet) , not like 30 years ago,
you should check out
1 . How long it was established.
2 . All professors and lecturers' academic qualification
3 . Place ( eg conducive for study,etc )

That would be the minimum

This post has been edited by rainmankl: Sep 3 2012, 06:45 PM

During the 70s and 80s , a MCE is qualified to take diploma at most private colleges like Jaya Institute,Mega Institute,FIT if I remember correctly, BUT not TARC( refer to my classmate above).
I don't know since when they drop the entrance standard.

Due to the TARC diploma is NOT recognized at that time and therefore cannot enter the public services as technical assistant and also they cannot award degree therefore the students are all encouraged to go the EC route and get register as Chartered Engineer.

Most private\public University student do not (even back in the 70s until now ) sit or know about the EC route.
Because their degree is recognized so why bother.It cost money and not easy to pass.
They will have to compete with the WHOLE of the commonwealth countries including the best brain from India
,Hong Kong,Singapore,etc if they sit the EC exam.

Its open to everyone who do not go the easy way thru Univ. like having a unrecognized local diploma or even degree.

I remember I consult my college principal.He said there is an UNOFFICIAL quota for passing ie they restrict the number of passes each year so its difficult.He said the easiest route is still going to UK for a year or two.