So you think the agents who helped the owners rented out their units, whose tenant happened to be PHs are unethical ( you wrote unethnical ! ) ? Cows don't drink water you cannot force the cows to bend down the heads, without the owners consent, can the units be rented out ?

Come on lar, don't charge the agents, they are just doing their job. If there is a demand, there is a job which require the service.

So you think the MPs can do magic lar ? Go ahead, I am ready to be accept that I am wrong if the MPs can do wonders in this aspect !

Petition or so wont do anything much but adding preassure will make the owners think twice.

Most importantly, the main culprits are not the PHs but these unethical agents. Back at my housing area we been trying to hunt down the agents who rented many units to the PHs. We even banned them from coming but seems they can find a way here. Looks like there a possbility they are in SW.

Classic Perkasa kind of thinking.

As much I not sure if our MPs can do something here, but its worth a shot. Looking at the big picture the main culprits are the loose enforcement on immigration and our higher education sys which somehow attracts these PHs. Yet there no proper enforcement which leads to these PHs do something sinister rather than to obtain education. So involving MPs will make them aware on their problems on their consistuency and then argue during the future parliment sessions. Do not that the ruling gov does not have 2/3 so this time our MP can do something.

I more like pointing the agents are unethical rather than these PHs. I already seen some agents in Puchong conning some locals that they renting to locals until actually they renting to PHs. I have no comment towards these PHs. I know not all of them are bad, but just that the percentage of good ones are sadly outnumbered by those bad ones.

OK involving the MPs to do something in the government level is the right job for the MPs.

Initially I thought you want the MPs to enforce special rules pertaining to
blocking PHs from renting SW. This to me is asking for the impossible.

How can the owners be conned ? You mean the tenancy agreement is signed with locals and yet the actual occupants are PH ? Is this what's happening ?

This post has been edited by puchongite: May 28 2013, 10:07 AM

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This post has been edited by puchongite: May 28 2013, 10:06 AM

if I have such mentality I will stress SW to have 80% bumi only Haha back to the topic.....

Yup glad you got me. Of coz MP cant simply block PH from renting SW and even getting Jibby wont do anything. Even if say Jibby went for a walk in SW n got attack by these drunken PHs, at most they swarm the area with cops and then kick the hell out of them. Until parlimentaly session and 2/3 obtained to stricten the law to say no to PH then this will happen. Of coz u know that not going to happen

The point is the MP of they elected area will know the problems on their areas and then bring forward on parliment. At very best, new laws will be created to say to curb/control these PHs or something like that, or the home minister/PMO will instruct immigration to be strict and the police to keep a close eye on them (i bet the Puchong Police are doing this now) and cooperate with the MOE to work on a sys to attract quality students only.

So this is a stepping stone as I suggest. If our MPs refuses to act on this, in 5 years time, u know what to do . But knowing our ADUN and DUN in Puchong I believe they are capable ppl with high calibre here, unlike the losing folks in blue

There already a few cases where in Puchong when agents bought locals to rent, then agreement was signed only to found out that local is actually a sleeper agent to bring PHs in. Its hard to fight back as they can claim the PHs are married to them and so on. Be very careful, morever if u deal with a potential tenant who is a single female and claim to bring in her family (malay and indians so far, not to be racist )

What I read on the threatening SMSs by agents is seriously disturbing. I strictly consider something needs to be done here.

This post has been edited by HydraSkins: May 28 2013, 10:31 AM

OK we are at least in sync on the MP portion.

The agent/tenancy part: I don't have the data to support me, but I tend to think that what you mentioned is probably the fewer cases and for these, there is something can be done about it.

Just bring this to the attention of the owners. Tenancies are not to be sub-rented out, ie only the signed tenants ( and the relatives ) are allowed to stay and not someone else unrelated. In this case, the owners have to right to ask the PH not to stay there.

However, I tend to think most of the owners are indeed aware that they rent the units out to PHs. That's why I say we cannot force the cows to bend down the heads to drink water.

I would like to be proven wrong on this if someone can provide data or personal experience.

This post has been edited by puchongite: May 28 2013, 10:39 AM

Now most importantly to unite those investors who are on the same league, which is to control these PHs out. I believe some also must have been victims of con cases or act out of desperation. I seeing this is done right now

Next, get support from the ADUN of Kinrara first. Provided if he came and provide support during the day you guys face the ppl in SPSetia, that a plus sign. But first report this problem first and see what he can do and advice. The ADUN will be DAP's Ng Sze Han, who is formerly from MPPJ/MPSJ.

If SP setia refuses to burge, then involve MP to stress this in Parliment and this case Gobind Singh. if you follow our politics, you know his is very capable and a fighter. I hope he wont let us down on this.

If u can get Star Metro or Selangortimes to expose/cover this issue, that will be a bigger publicity to humiliate/pressure SP Setia but in the same time it will bring SW's name down for a while.

Anyhow decision is urs.

This post has been edited by HydraSkins: May 28 2013, 10:49 AM

Thx HydraSkins for the great inputs. Yes we would try all possible means to stop the despicable attempt by the few agents..

I would be back in KL this thu morning and may I seek the help from you and others to immediately form a "SWAT team" to prepare for the upcoming June8 d-day?

Those interested pls PM me as we hv quite a few things to do b4 the June8: prepare a "memorandom", contact state and parliament politicians, approach SP Setia CEO & COO, loop in local presses, invite as many people to attend June8's session etc.

Taikor HydraSkins & Taikor Davkong and Datuk Sri UFO-ET and Tun Linkor & Tan Sri Maxc331 & Tun Yuan88, can we meet up this thu for a drink? Pls PM me..

This post has been edited by bizklguy: May 28 2013, 02:25 PM

Datuk Sri! Naik pangkat liao!
Too bad I am away till Sunday mon, Sun afternoon onwards ok for me..

Just back fr SW mngt office, many complaint calls pouring into the service counter, mngt team had been informed of the coming gathering

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: May 28 2013, 02:30 PM

Aiya, this Thursday company outstation work trip to Perak, not sure what time will be back as others will be driving.

Unfortunatelly i opt to stay away from this. I not a resident/investor of SW so best if you guys handle this. I just giving suggestions to see what else you can do.

But should u need presence during the meeting with SP Setia and should the timing is right, perhaps i drop by

And what could Ng Sze Han or Gobind Singh do?

Hire gangsters to kick them out?

There are no laws that says Africans and Blacks cannot stay in one place. And there better be not, otherwise Malaysia would appear in CNN for being a racist country overnight and there will be boycotts against tourism etc...etc...

If you didn't notice lately, one of our gomen's goal to attract foreign capital is to be a cheap education hub in the world. And when the students come (from poor countries naturally), well we complain

What you guys could do is to form a strong JMB that put up house rules that have to be strictly enforced.

Constant monitoring is required.

To do otherwise would be futile.

one of the more effective responses so far.

pressure points are not the ADUNs, agents or owners.

IMHO it's the JMB, in-house security team and subtle use of legalize gangsters to solve this problem.

Could you please be more elaborate as to how JMB could be the most effective vehicle to this problem ? What is an example of "legalize gangsters" ?

It's already the job of JMB to ensure the condo security, whether or not there is PH in the place !

You CANNOT ask JMB to implement discriminative regulations against the PH.

I still hold to my view, ie you can only convince, persuade or sweet talk the respective owners VOLUNTARILY not to rent to PH. Period. Anything else is barking at the wrong trees.

Involving MPs and what's not are governmental topics. Nothing specific to a particular condo will be relevant.

bro/sis, I respect your view but unfortunately there is no element of strategy and tactics to solve this problem. think, when u go for a SP Setia function, who mans their traffic flow and security function? why and how to use SP Setia's connection to SW's advantage?

ask yourself, now that PHs are already in SW, what are the implications. one can expect some fights and possible harassments etc. then what.

Think a few steps ahead la.....

For starters, start an online petition prior to the June 8 meeting la. Else how to pressure JMB??

Know your enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated ~ Sun Tzu

Can some expert help to look at the Deed of Mutual Convenant under Schedule 3 part 1, I believe with most of resident of said parcel lodge complaint and sign all, it will hv effect to against such hostel setup in the private residential units. With part 1.7, JMB involvement, community rules can be amended to curb such hostel or un welcome occupancy renting out by other owners. Owners hv no 100% right over a service apartment. Unless they own a non gated bungalo. There are still some restriction of parcel utilisation.

Wish good luck for those owner rent that unit to PH.
Foresee the unit will have "extra renovation" by PH

Just wonder, rental market not good meh, why got so many unit left for PH....