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Some poison for RoadBike.

Frequently Asked Question on what kind of bikes to get:

1) Aluminum bike - 10 speed Tiagra (maybe mixed Tiagra - Sora), priced around RM3k up- this would be the absolute lowest point i would say to start from... any lower and you will land outside of 10speed equipment and any upgrades will certainly be more than the difference you saved not buying this bike.. shimano launched tiagra with 10speed beginning of this year making this a considerable choice... also, this grade of bike will have a more common grade of cockpit (handlebar, stem, seat post, saddle) and cheaper wheels

2) Aluminum bike - 10 speed 105 (maybe mixed 105 - Tiagra), priced around RM3.8k up- most likely the same frame above with a different paint livery, this would be an entry level into shimano's definition of competition components... tiagra would be what they called the top tier among the enthusiast group.. although both 10 speed... but materials and feel... tiagra has a shift indicator while the 105 does not hence giving you a pro feel (what the bike shop will tell you)...mostly.. tiagra has a bit more plasticky bits than 105... some slightly more expensive models might even start offering slightly better wheels like mavic aksiums along with better slightly better graded cockpit...

- i would not try and go past 105 on a aluminum bike... the best brands like specialized or bmc will be selling an aluminum bike equipped with 105 for a little over RM5k... going 1 notch up into ultegra will lead you to start looking into higher end bikes as those bikes will surely creep past RM6k and most likely a mismatch between frame and component grades... you will be practically trying to pair a set of RAYS CE28N onto a Perodua Myvi if you get what i mean in car terms...

3) Carbon bike - 10 speed 105 (possibly not full 105), priced around RM7k up- this would be a foray into performance bicycles... although a carbon frame... but this are not the best carbon has to offer for 2 reasons... carbon cloth grade (less modulus, less weave, lower grade binding agents) and the man power / time needed (less complex layup schedules) to layup the carbon layers into producing a frame... basically a mass produced frame with the lowest production cost possible... not all that bad... it should still be on par if not better with the best of the aluminum frames in terms of stiffness.. basically, component should be similar or slightly better than the aluminum 105 bike depending on the price you pay...

- here i would name one which shocked me quite a bit recently... saw this Look 566...this http://www.lookcycle.com/en/int/route/velo...-bike-2013.html , but i guess a previous year model...... carbon frame with Mavic Aksium wheels... not a complete 105 with some downgraded cranks and calipers... a carbon frame with comfort geometry retailing for RM7.1k if my memory serves me right...

- price is slightly high for some people... but if you look at it...maybe under 30% more if you are looking at a Apex or 105 equipped Specialize Allez

4) free for all - death - bankruptcy - you name it...
- step into this and there will be no return...

Credit: YB　Butthead


Previous thread: Cycling V2

Updated: 2nd Nov 2012

This post has been edited by vin_ann: Nov 2 2012, 03:23 PM

first c0cker to arrive

any info suggestion for 1st post to add?

like:

1. where the bike shops in KL?
2. how to buy a bike?
3. where's the cycling route that Roadbike cyclist go? or mountain biker go?

and first to defile it

cycling is a sport related to foot fetishes...


you ride like nuts on days that has no ends (must like SM a lot, M more if not S)... and can suffer like a dog ran over by an 18-wheeler...


after that, get back up... smile and pretend like nothing happened when your buddies get to the end of a bike ride looking like they got ran over by a truck and diss them for being slow pokes.... and giving them the loser salute...


but, your suffering gets offset by nice scenery that is often not available here...


occasionally... you hope for some eye candy (pretty gurls in lycra) to cancel out some of the pain....


which you seldom get... and when you do get them... you know the drill... (act like a horny idiot who has never seen a girl in 5 centuries and howl like a wolf to creep them out)


and when your salary comes out at the end of the month... you take the whole lump of it to buy something that does not make any sense even to Obama (assuming you don't pawn your house or sell your car to do it)

(jus so that you can show off your shiny new bike to your bike buddies who will get so jelly and try to sell their organs in the coming month to buy a better bike than yours)

sooner or later, you will find yourself so deep in divorce, or your girlfriend leaving your ass for sleeping more with your bike than with her...

(not a big deal since you are already bankrupted anyways...the judge with sympathize with you for not even being able to afford her alimony or child support fees and you will have no inheritance to split with her which is a plus)

So, in a nutshell... cycling is a sport where you have to love hurting yourself, and your wallet even more... earn your bragging rights with epic rides.. or a cool bike if you are a tub of lard that cannot pedal more than 5KM without needing a a block of lurpak...

at the end of a tough day where you took the shortcut home... log on to forum after getting your B2B massage, post up tons of BS about anything and everything, pictures of your cam whoring activities, B2B massage reports, and occasionally act like werewolves when any mention of a girl comes up... that is if you are not busy poisoning one another into bankruptcy...

summary, cycling is for idiots and lonely fappers... jus kiddin

start your journey to hell heaven, i meant with some local cycling magz or if you have no $

http://www.baikbike.com/

from there on, get your first cheap bike (which you will ultimately regret) from a shop very very far away from where you live....

http://www.baikbike.com/bicycle-shops/

then further poison yourself with some of the international cycling sites and land yourself in further misery for knowing you just got conned into getting the wrong one and must now go sell your tushy to make more money for your new fancy shmancy shiny bike...

http://velonews.com
http://www.bikeradar.com

or come here to get a few jabs of poison needles from our resident doctors who specialize in evilsm and hypnotic and subliminal poisoning...

nuff said...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 10:47 AM

this is so ridiculous...

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2...-olympic-bikes/

secret squirel club

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...l-sort-off.html

the bike looks horrid...






This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 11:23 AM

lure more people join the cycling ma...

save ur hassle to reply each time same questions asked.

just put "refer to 1st post"

this is so ridiculous...

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2...-olympic-bikes/

secret squirel club

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...l-sort-off.html

the bike looks horrid...

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Added on July 30, 2012, 11:41 amyou are evil... you will pay for your sins...

haha... refer to 1st post... is like "talk to the hand, cos the face ain't listening"...

people will ask anyways... cos, they like a to be whipped silly... and that give us more chance to mock people.. mwahaha

in view of this serious matter... we have to appoint someone who has a serious attitude and more importantly.. passion for cycling.. and that person is..... isssss.... issssssssssss... not me, not you, not sky, not miaopurr, not hianboy, not lot101...

so, who?

dinraxx??? he puasa la... no energy to tap the keyboard... and kena "internet fasting" also...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 11:45 AM

V3 = Butthead and vin_ann chat thread?

There's a small line hole.. can see thru if you fold it over.. feels scary



tht's right haha

reporting in

you all haven't wake up ma... that is why only 2 of us...

how small is small??? i lived with a sizeable slit around 2-3mm before on my rear detonators... noticeable if you forcefully flip it inside out... i just took one of the tire boots from my birzman patch kit and stuck it inside covering the slit jus to be safe... and it ran for quite some time until the next couple of puncture luckily not over that area and all the way until the tire got worn down to it's kevlar layers...

it totally depends on you... if you feel that the peace of mind is important to you... then, it is money well spent... for me, worst case even if i forgot to bring a spare tube is to walk home from taman tun...

but frankly, every puncture will more or less create a small damage or hole on the tire... it is just a matter if you spotted it.. the only one that is not recommended to ignore is the sidewall damages... that has to be changed out as soon as possible...

here is what the tire boot looks like... not all patch kits are supplied with them...a thicker material and more tough to add another layer over the tire for temporary use...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=13249

in the case of birzman ones.. the boot is the bigger square piece with lotsa wordings...
http://www.birzman.co.uk/tyre-repair.html


This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 02:01 PM

loaning my bike to a friend to do powerman, afraid that something would happen to him.
I tried many pump but still cant get the air pressure to enough level after changing the tube

hand pump? enough pressure for you is??? 110psi?

hand pump tak boleh la... even though they claim max pressure is 160psi... you'll need arms like


to pump it that high... even my cacated floor pump that says it is capable of 160psi also very hard to get past 110psi... have to throw my body weight on the down stroke to force the air in... the claimed max pressure means that the seals will hold up to 160psi of pressure being pumped in... not that it can be done easily...

furthermore, such short stroke pumps is gonna kill your arms before powerman does... jus meant for emergency road side repairs and easy portability only...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 02:20 PM

I think at most it reach 30 psi only..

30psi cannot ride one wor... you climb on the bike only.. the rim will be touching ground already...

was using topeak pocket rocket last time until the presta adapter fell off and went to another dimension... and now on a mini birzman... both can easily get it up to 50-60 pounds... if you want to force it, maybe 70++ is possible...

last i pumped during puncture.. i went home to use floor pump to top it up and it started off pumping around 75psi... which meant that after 200-300 odd strokes in front of some un-appealing aunties watching me stroking in the middle of nowhere... i got it up to 70 odd psi...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 02:36 PM

btw, my Sunday ride from Batu 18 to Titi.... 108KM...

yesterday was my second time riding to Titi with P2K since March this year where i had 3 flats in the last 10KM... =.='''

i reached very early, we have breakfast at cina apek kopitiam at the junction. i cant believe my own luck, there's two chicks having breakfast there too... i believe it's going to be awesome ride!

we have about 20 cyclists joining the ride... awesome... plus 2 guai lou riders... hehe...
From batu 18 to the Genting Perez kaki bukit, is about 17KM... our speeds were avearge above 30km/hr... i feel like wore out just before reaching the kaki bukit...

climbing hills... Perez... for second time.. feel some improvement on the feel good factor... must be along the way spotted few chicks... haha... 1 chick is using yellow green white Cippolini bike le..! oh yeah, another 2 chicks using Giant TCR SL3 ! same bike with me!!! 3 SL3 bikes gathered at top of Genting Perez!!! so nice! Too bad, forget to take photo!

we stopped at Titi for wan tan mee... while we were eating, a group of super bike arrived and stop at the same shop having wan tan mee too! one of the guai lou motorist is wearing SiDi shoe! 500 euro aka RM2,000, but it's cover until below knee ! lagi worth than RM1,000 SiDi cycling shoe...

Going back... climbing 12KM long of hills... anyway, must be the leftover feel good factor still there, i does not feel terrible like 1st time...

no flat ! nice ride!

STOP IT!!!

you are killing me...

yesterday... i only saw a big bunch of aunties... ride also no mood...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 02:45 PM

you were there yesterday?

are you hanging out with ur gang at the junction when you saw a huge group of cyclists swing by?

wonder which one is you.... gotta refresh me scanning memory...

i am not there la... i was at my usual riding ground... jus no guuurrls yesterday... jus a bunch of aunties... so blardy disheartening...

and i only slept for less than 4 hours the night before and i had to forcefully get out of bed to go riding with high hopes...

well, it's true wat they say... the higher your expectations... the bigger the disappointment...

my weekend

that's weird.. I've done up to 70psi on my topeak hand pump before. (the words are so faded I can't tell which it is anymore, but its one of the rockets).

if u were with that same group that went the wrong way that I think you were, the last guy who decided to cycle all the way had done a total of 196km that day. and he was recovering from a hairline fracture on his ribs too.

This post has been edited by malleus: Jul 30 2012, 04:18 PM

sound like me when im on running fever. Run.Run.Run.

Running have much higher percentage of bump into chicks...

btw, why bother how many psi pump using hand pump. jandi Boleh jalan, nothing much u can ask for when you're puncture!

Janji Perjalanan Diteruskan!

maybe sky's arms are only that muscular...

at least it's very aerodynamic

that guy must be a tough dude... or he is afraid that his wife will bite his head off for kaciao'ing her in the midlde of a RM288 facial session jus to pick him up...



unfortunately.. i hate running.. and the irony... i like chicks...

vin_ann... you are seriously messing with my life with this chick thing...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 05:01 PM

My apologize on messing your life Butthead.

Allow me to post the below:

yeah right... that's helping a lot.. and a track star too..

bet she can give a 1300W kick to my head and my fish balls will shoot out of it's sack...

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Added on July 30, 2012, 5:04 pmi've got a very very sick and twisted evil thought all of a sudden...

what happens to that saddle after the shoot? i wonder if there is some people from the shoot wanting only the saddle as memorabilia

or what happen if miss victoria finds one of the photography assistants sniffing that saddle

mwahaha... busted

lance armstrong did something similar too.. i don't want to post the picture.. spoils the mood... i am sure no one wants that saddle...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 30 2012, 05:15 PM

hmm i am not that.. i tried a few pumps when i was having break with dave they all, i think it's around 50~60psi coz i still able to ride up klawang and go down hill around 60+kph without much problem. I just felt too worried that's it.

btw.. I got lost but only 20km extra, din do the whole thing as I have appointment at 5pm. Took taxi from klawang to Tekala, cost me Rm100 for that.

Hmm, looks like I am still not comfortable doing long distance, after 60km I felt like cannot cycle any more (partially reserving energy to do nuang the next day)

good god... i dunno wat nuang is... but doesn't sound like a B2B massage to me...dun expect too much... you are not on EPOCERA.. you can't ride like those world tourdoperscyclist

your mates must be wondering why you are getting frisky with their pumps

wow.. 100 bucks.. rather get my head bitten off by my wife...

more like worried that his wife will ban him from ever cycling again which she almost did when he had gotten that fracture

like anything else... she can keep him from doing it physically... but mentally, he is out there ridin' (whichever way you interpret this )

RM100 is better than FFK appointment of 15 ppl, i scare kena chop by ppl haha!!
Nuang is that mountain at pangsung, slightly further from Batu 18, highest peak in Selangor. haha i spent my entire weekend in Hulu Langat

V3 already? I'm reporting in. Hehe. What else to buy..my bike's journey to perfection is complete!

No... there's no such perfection thing in cycling world...

although you might feel it's the most perfect, but as time fly, 1 month, 3 month, half year, 1 year, 2 years time, you will soon find your perfections are not perfect anymore...

there's newer groupset available, newer, lighter, features packed, lighter etc etc... you will find urself upgrading...

Let's welcome the latest gadget in town...

2013 Compagnolo Athena 11 EPS









dammit! i knew it! My next upgrade on groupset ! Campagnolo Centuar triples ~! Let's set the timeline 2015. Gotta whack mileage kaw kaw on my 105 before upgrade in 2015. Fair enough right... 1 day save USD1, should be able reach my goal!

oh waits... before i forget.

here's the link: http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/new-bi...11-eps-launched

what the different between triple crank and double crank (or what they call compact)?!

triple crank has got 3 chain rings. double crank has got 2 chain rings.

compact crank tends to be a 50/36 compared to the normal 54/39

Waht does having triple crank will do? Meaning more gear choices on different variety of condition?

kind of. you get more choices on the lower gears, at the expense of weight of an additional chain ring

i'm back... prepare to file for bankruptcy...

let's start off with something a little lighter...

a groupset change...

as we know... electronic shifting is just a hype, so, mechanical we go...SRAM Red 2012 -> RM5.5k... i think


throw out the calipers for a set of the ever cool and ultralight eebrakes -> RM2k


swap the Red chain rings with the TDF winning osymetric "oval but not exactly oval" rings


with all the crazy gear... how can you leave out the pit for cocksters (cockpit)... expect no less from the crazy germans and their composite products...



if you don't mind the price and the occasional visit to the hospital for accidentally lodging your carbon seat post up your a~hole...all in the sake of lightweight


if you prefer brand purity... ditch the eebrakes for an even cooler set of AX lightness calipers -> price? ball busting

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Added on July 31, 2012, 9:44 amall this and compromise shifting and braking performance with a set of lousy cables... NO WAY!!!...

Nokon matched to Power Cordz...price? -> so cheap you won't bother asking



and how in freakin heavens can we forget the things that enables us to roll around... Lightweight is so yesteryear and mass produced... Zipp, Corimas and Fulcrums are too common...

a custom built set of Enve 1.25 laced to Dash ultra light hubs with white bladed spokes with full ceramic speed bearing upgrades from wheelbuilder.com -> expect no less than a ass whopping, brain blowing USD4k




This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 31 2012, 09:44 AM

unless you appointment is with 15 gangsters waiting to hack you into 18 pieces... i would not give a flying crap about it... not even meeting my mother in law will warrant a 100 buck taxi ride...

can buy all 15 fellas cha time with that money leh...

there is perfection in the cycling world... there is however, no such thing called "SATISFACTION"

electronic shifting is over-rated... get the new mechanical DA instead... Giant and Campy is like Nobita and Giant.. can never mix... heck, you don't even see any of their lineup using campy as stock components...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 31 2012, 09:50 AM

=.=''

really ah?

maybe by 2015, carbon frame become better and cheaper... can upgrade frame as well...

so even the advance TCR not match with campy? "Giant and Campy is like Nobita and Giant"

or Giant and SRAM a better combo?

difference between triple and double? 3 - 2 = 1... the difference is 1

there are a total of 4 types of un-awesomely worthless riders...

1) compact crank users - useless weaklings
a 50/34 crank so they have a lighter set of gears while keeping weight considerably low

2) hybrid compacts - bastards who do not want to admit they are a useless bunch of asswipes
a 52/36 crank, usually a standard BCD 130 crank with 52/39 swapped with a 36 inner chain ring, wants a lighter gear but does not want to show people that [s]he is riding a BCD 110 crank like a weakling

3) triple crank users - no words to describe them...
this people is so rubbish that they need a mountain bike granny ring to survive, never mind the weight.. you need a mid cage RD, UN-conventionally long chain which makes shifting sloppy and the ability to bear the laughter of the public...

4) the ultimate weakling - triple or compact crank paired with a wide range 11-32 or 11-34 mountain bike cassette
this people might as well put a motor on their bike... needs to be shot in the face if you meet them... usually, they will produce excuses like they climb hills a lot.. which is generally an outright lie...

i am in category 4 and i climb lotsa hills

triple crank will produce a lot of gear overlap... but it will give the lowest possible gear inch in any sort of combination even without a wide range cassette...

even roberto heras in the USPS days won his vuelta title with a triple crank riding up alto de l'angliru

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Added on July 31, 2012, 10:21 amwhen have anyone been satisfied? give you 2cm you want 2 inch... give you big mac you want megamac...give you iphone 4 you want iphone 4s.. give you ipad2 you wants new ipad2...someone give you 2 mil and you will want 2bil... get a hot wife who gives you wonderful sex life and you want to go out and call dirty prosty... company give you Beemer F10 and you will want a Ferrari 458 italia...give you ecstasy, you want cocaine... give you semi-d you want 3 storey bungalow... satisfaction is never achievable... our brains are never connected properly in that department... people who are satisfied are people who has dementia...or brain dead...

there will be carbotanium or nobrac material by 2015... carbon will be worthless like aluminum now...and the irony... you will want nobrac by then...

when have you seen a taiwanese speak in italian? tak ada mah... at least you see taiwanese speaker in english...even though taiwanese dun speak japanese... they still watch and learn from japanese AV, culturally similar at least... that or at least kanji is quite close to chinese writing...

Giant has bikes equipped with SRAM... never seen a Campy equipped Giant before..

some more... here no real campy pro shop... campy rosak damn the cialatness.. and replacement parts are not cheap... another whole new level of cialatness...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 31 2012, 10:28 AM

i am in category 1. why u no talks about big crank? how's the big crank thing?

i'm got a feel, im going to upgrade my compact crank to big crank as my next upgrade that's if im decided to leave my compact crank comfort zone...

you in category 4? dont bluff la... you must be using Rotor crank... oval shape or big crank!

big crank??? big crank is normal rider la... nothing bad, but also nothing good to mock about...

you can take it a step further by swapping the big ring for a 55T tt ring the fixies use.. looks like a pizza hut small 6" pizza pan....

I am a Cat 4 rider la... in fact.. i think i am the first one to pakai 50/34 - 11-32T combo in KL.. cos no one got the balls to do it... (actually, i am just damn faceless) i rather be seen with a big round cassette than pushing my bike up a hill...

even before SRAM's 11-32T got to malaysia... i was already the laughing stock riding a 50/34 matched to 11-29T cassette on a mid cage ultegra RD i very susah payah bid from ebay... guess i killed half those buggers by making them laugh until their lungs cramped when i swapped to a 11-32T...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 31 2012, 10:34 AM

dammit...

butthead, y u so evil trying to trap people...

i forget, i need to upgrade my legs power 1st before any upgrades.

last few days suddenly thought about stem... my original 90mm Giant stem doesnt make my cycling photo looks like other cyclist bending...

anyway, current stem gives me no problems. just gatal gatal thinking about it, and relates to other cyclists on their discussion about stem.

A stem look important?

did i not mention i was evil that 6666 times? hope i didn't give the wrong impression that i am an angel of some sort... i am nothing short of the dark price... hell.. i make ozzy osbourne look like a humanitarian...

A stem look important? that is a question you should have with your "back"...

if you want pro look... look no further than the -17 degree stems... and at least 110mm in length

on a giant somemore

and you have to slam it all the way down like how you slam your bi@tch...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jul 31 2012, 11:00 AM

Le Butthead~ BUY BUY BUY~~~

http://bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=116698

One question

What the difference between Fulcrum racing 1 and 0 2-way-fit apart from the price of the wheel itself?

lighter, carbon, road tubeless compatible, ceramic bearings

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Added on August 1, 2012, 9:43 ambit more details... hard to thumb on the phone..

1) carbon hub shell
2) zero 2 way fit is lighter by 25grams... zero (non-2 way fit by 55 grams)
3) one has different rim heights from and rear
4) USB ceramic ball bearings on the hubs

the rest, 2:1 spoke lacing, momag, dynamic balance are all the same

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 09:43 AM

Le Butthead!!! BUY BUY BUY~!!!

http://bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=165651

8.5k...gila...expensive than 2012 version...

limited la pundet... says it's a 2011 frame...

anyways... i don't want a dopers bike...

this version is limited meh...

it's a 2007 bike... if re-produced in 2011 frame with astana color schemes.. why is it not limited?

just because there is no more Pro Machine SLC01 in BMC lineup.. they jus simply made an astana livery race machine..

this is the actual pro machine slc01 back in 2007.


This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 11:57 AM

oOOOooOoo

looks familiar... oh yeah... one of my gang member riding BMC Astana bike...............................................

dun understand wats so nice about it?

i like the one with the bare carbon... as jeremy clarkson says..."it's a symphony of evil"


and you can go into stealth mode at night...

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 12:52 PM

But u are not Bruce Wayne...

JENG!!! JENG!!!

TM01


with Di2


This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 01:46 PM

.......er.......

never bother whatever BMC le.......................................

that's why i put so many dot dot dot behind...

i cant really express anything out...

wei, are you Pedalsport fansi ??

yeah lah... only idiots like hianboy can understand... all the arty farty con my party shit...

no la... i jus pass by to buy tube jeh (only shop left opened past 8PM )... no more spare at home.. nanti saturday morning no hot pants to see, then stress build up and no where to release... huh... i kenot imagine... it's a monday to friday 5 day build up... saturday if no release... critical level adi... nanti become like fukushima daiichi...

suddenly see they all snapping pictures of this bike... thought apasal so fantastic... so, i join and snap also la... like flashmob

i heard it is in the region of over RM25k... owner got some own parts taruh masuk...

until the day i can afford to buy a BMC race machine from them.. then i masuk kelab la...

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 02:01 PM

Pedalspot is where he will be when he cant get enough chic in yoga pant...

kenot use fansi...must be more accurate... use "Fan屎"

fansi is like ah beng pronunciation li tat... calling people "sweet potato"...

eh...

This post has been edited by hianboy: Aug 1 2012, 02:09 PM

suddenly ran into this in google...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_Chinese_profanity

remember my college friend from china keeps screaming this cuss at people...肏你妈的屄.... never heard it from locals before... you have to have the chinese accent to make it work...

rather interesting too...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diu_%28Cantonese%29

didn't know it had a character for this...
屌

and leading it further... japanese profanity... suddenly attended profanity class today
http://funkyblegug.blogspot.com/2006/04/wi...-profanity.html

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 02:22 PM

to be honest, how frequent you can use ur TT bike for ride.

it's too precious to ride on malaysia holes everywhere road here...

once a hot chic Triathlete told me, why use TT bike? it's not allowed in some races. plus, if too light, cant join also. She said best still is a roadbike... can masuk any races...

BMC vs LOOK TT bike.. which one better?

wait i tonight post LOOK TT pokka dotted design here to counter BMC...

the non UCI legal shiv for tri events...

or this... if the event allows...The famous and now rare Zipp 2002


that or the Cervelo P5 for most other events...

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Added on August 1, 2012, 2:33 pmit's purely a competition bike ma... not for daily use...you train on a normal roadie and switch up to the race rig jus to get accustomed to it before race weekend...

that is how this shit works.. if you have the dough...

TT bikes are generally very stable and mild in handling... not agile like our road bikes...so, hitting rough roads are not too bad unless you are dealing with very bumpy roads and deep potholes... most people are more terrified of pure TT bikes (disc wheel with deep dish up front) hitting heavy cross winds... possible to get blown off your line by heavy gusts of wind... and much like how Andy Schleck hit the deck and broke his pelvis...

in my view... i need at least 3 bikes...

1) training roadie, with tough wheels and tougher tyres
2) race weekend roadie, super light and no common sense...
3) a TT bike.. even if i dun TT... just for the fun of owning one..

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 02:39 PM

Sorry my Question is actually about Fulcrum zero two way fit and Fulcrum 1 two way fit.

Is the fulcrum zero hub better than the ksyriums elite or sl?

3 bikes, that's the ultimate cyclist who achieve his/her top status in cycling world????????

just like a rich man journey,

1st seek money,
got money seek power,
got money and power seek status,
got money and power and status seek for peaceful in mind (where religous come in)

the same applies... only the weight is slightly heavier... another 20 grams more than non 2-way fit...

whether the fulcrum zero hub is better than ksyriums.. hard to tell... the question is from which point, aerodynamically? rolling resistance? durability?

for me... mavic has been around long enough making wheels... and counting that fulcrum is campy backed, they still lack the dedication of mavic for a simillar period of time...so, experience and knowledge is +1 for mavic...

if you look at people's recommendation... the Mavic Elite has been topping a lot of people's choices for their value for money... not so for SL as you get marginal gains only as the main selling point is zicral spokes... 7075 aluminum... and elite is cheaper to reaplce spokes as well..

point is, you can't buy a wheel looking at individual components.. it is an overall thing which is why they like to call wheels as systems nowadays... mavic went to the point of even getting vittoria to produce tires to match the characteristics of their wheels...

the only complaint in fulcrum is spoke replacements costs a bomb..a whopping RM40 bucks here.. for KL.. .Mavic is getting less and less as there are not as many dealers, while fulcrum is gaining leverage...sort of 50/50 market at those levels for now...

if you were to place the ksyrium elite in direct comparison with R0? with the assumption that there is a mavic shop accessible to you... i will take mavic for 2 reasons.. proven reliability and the costs is lower than a set of R0s... performance wise.. +-5 percent in between both wheels...

dun need to be ultimate cyclist to do that (jus need money).. it is just a show that you are in bikegeekdom...

that is jus riding competitively alone...

in overall, you can put on somemore,

1) 1 or 2 offroad bike (XC, DH rig) or 3 if you want an all mountain in as well...
2) 1 commuter / touring bike..
3) 1 single speed for strolling around the park... 2 if you have your other half

that makes 6 bikes easy... then if you are into collections... DIE!!!

i dun agree with your statement.. especially last one...

1st seek money, (how?, back stab people on your way up the corporate ladder, make enemies ondaway)
got money seek power, (back stab more people to get power, make more enemies same time)
got money and power seek status, (polish people shoe lap lap link, those who are not already enemies)
got money and power and status seek for peaceful in mind (where religous come in) WRONG!!! Religion does nothing
peace of mind = FBI WITNESS PROTECTION UNIT SECURITY.. with so much enemies... they will soon come at you one way or another, set house on fire, take 3 nuts out of your car wheels, plant bomb in your car, put drugs in your noodles, cut your dog up and cook soup, leak your home or prostitute sex video, rape your daughters and sell them as prostitutes, torture your family in front of you and ultimately make you watch them die, ..

if you want inner peace??? doubt religion can help in any way...so, macam mana buat? you got money ma.. spend like nobodies business laarrrr... buy fancy cars, eat fancy shit, wear fancy clothes... kaw fancy chicks... slam high class prosties... and... buy all expensive bikes and stuff that people like us can dream off... dun let that inner guilt of yours get a chance to pop up it's ugly head and screw with your mind, throw money at it every change oyu get (got watch the show "when heaven burns" on astro WLT, you know the shit i am saying is true... they even made a movie out of it... TVB somemore, you know...the old man in the wheel chair @ age 103 still can think this shit up)

that is why... rich people always do stupid and dirty things and they use excuse like they are very stressed in a dog eat dog world...f@ck stress, and dogs don't eat dogs (they might eat hot dogs)... they are just trying to calm their inner guilt by slamming that pretty girl you so wanted to be your first love...

so, my theory... cannot play the game... dun ever start it... quiet and easy life is the best... you don't have all the shit...but you don't need to worry & deal with a lot of shit as well...jus dun complain so much...

i have a doctorine in evilogy... dun pray pray with me wei... this shitz is my like my backyard

the only 2 people in this world who this does not apply might be warren buffet and bill gates.. crazy asses trying to give away 99% of their inheritance... but then again... their inner guilt might have made them realize their wrong doings in the past and they are now doing what they need to do to quiet down their inner guilt... hmmmm... intriguing

on the reverse.. the nut job steve jobs is like a fat kid in a candy store trying to hog every darn thing and piss every person off (me, included)... so, he die young.. maybe steve and warren takut they follow jobs path and now give away all the moolah to stay alive... no wonder, die die want to splurge money out fast fast lar... got ulterior motive wan...

i must go take up a doctorine in psychology now... then i can go and work as master strategists in scuderia ferrari and mind f@ck everyone... mwahahahahhaa

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 1 2012, 04:30 PM

Just saw this post! No way I'm getting all those stuffs...haha. I'm upgrading my lungs capacity and endurance
level...stuffs can go queue behind lor..

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Added on August 1, 2012, 6:47 pmAnd interesting read on carbon wheels..

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/08/wher...arbon-wheelset/

This post has been edited by mrjgx: Aug 1 2012, 06:47 PM

I see thanks for the advice. My bike shop carries both Mavic and Fulcrum( together with Campagnolo wheel). I asked before once what they suggested me mavic (i din mention fulcrum cos i did not know that brand that time) but ultimately they told me to stick to what i have first.

I am trying hard to stick and use what i have currently have. I always said to myself i am not qualified to buy more high end stuff as I am not skillful enough to exploit it. Had to admit the temptation to upgrade is very high.

Was thinking to change to sram rival or force as i feel more comfy for my tiny hand than shima 105 but the labour cost really chop ppl head here in aussie. Maybe i should ride more with watever i have now and jump the gun to sram red 2012 straight away

This post has been edited by minizian: Aug 1 2012, 08:06 PM

Hi experts and newbies, I am new to cycling in urban area. I am looking for a bike that is suitable to travel long distance. I am planning to travel from places to places such as example: KL to Pulau Pinang by bicycle. My budget is under 2k. I plan to get the TREK hybrid 8.3 DS. Do you think it is suitable? Any other suggestion? The price of the 8.3 DS is 2060 ringgit. Do you think it is worth it?

This post has been edited by shienchin: Aug 1 2012, 09:42 PM

what lar.. you asked for upgrades mar...

wheels are the most easy to damage in a crash... i suggest that you listen to the bike shop until you can ride confidently...

frankly... groupset is very personal biased.. so, go with what you like... although not as easy to mess up in the event of a crash... scratches to the shifter and RD is a common thing.. you've got to think this through the same as your wheel..

as for SRAM Red 2012... i would tell you to stay away from it unless you are looking to invest into a sub RM15k bike sometime soon... SRAM Force would be the highest i recommend you to go... and personally on a value for money basis.. even the rival or apex would have done good enough as they function and feel almost the same from top to bottom of the lineup...

i won't say TREK is not the suitable choice... but flatbar is definitely the way to for touring...

another good and cheap example is the Polygon F100.. a hybrid based on a road frame rather than MTB on the TREK...and should fit within your budget.. it has the same triple crank - 24 speed setup but a rigid fork instead of suspension for (more on this later)

http://id.polygoncycle.com/index.php?pgid=...eid=326&par=179

with touring comes the question of mounting panier racks.. and depending on how many bags you intend to mount up front and rear... having a suspension fork is actually not he most recommended since after loading the front of the bike up.. the weight might have taken up most if not all of the fork travel leaving it a pointless thing to have and you have to drag the extra dead weight of the fork along as you ride...

then, also the question of disc brakes...with touring setups... riders tend to choose parts that are most easily sourced and repair even in remote locations.. normal caliper brakes on the polygon should be more easy to repair in case you have a brake failure of any sort on the trek...

most importantly is that it is will be a tough bike as you will be on the road without much support... your dependency on your bike will be very high and you can't be expecting it to fail in times like that.

dude..don't quickly jumpe and buy the fulcrum or whatever high end wheels available in the market. the difference is very marginal..

I agree if you would like to feel a difference in your bike upgrade, apart from a better carbon frame..wheels is the 2nd option. but trust me, it won't make you a better cyclist in terms of speed, or etc. you might gain extra 2-3kmh on your avg speed..but that's all.

as from my experience, i don't find my climbing ability suddenly increase after changing to a much stiffer wheels (from FR Comp to FR0)..nor did I found it easier to climb with.once you upgrade, it is very marginal in terms of performance you expected to have before you purchase.

just my 2 cents.

Thanks for replying! I really appreciate your advice. It cleared quite a number of questions in my mind.

Do you still have any other recommendation beside Polygon F100? I checked out the website you gave me. It seems that it comes only with red (2012) and blue(2011). I know ... color has nothing to do with performance but somehow for me I wanna get the same color as my previous bike (silver, white matte). It is just that I hate colorful color that attract attention. I saw the Helios F300. I like the color but somehow I am not sure whether the parts are easy to find like you mentioned and what made it more expensive than F100. What do you think?

Besides that, do you know any good bicycle shop for customization around Petaling Jaya? Need changes for my friends' bike parts.

Sorry for asking so many questions

This post has been edited by shienchin: Aug 2 2012, 06:39 AM

haha 2~ 3kph is actually a lot,
I would see that 2 ~ 3 kph comes from

your current avg speed - your new speed

25 - 28 = you can easily train this
27 - 30 = same goes here
30 - 33 = hmm sounds not bad
33 - 36 = it's almost time for a new tire
36 - 39 = looks like i really need a tire
39 - 42 = I bought my tire
42 - 45 = wow this tire is ****ing cheap
45 + = u dont need a tire..

lol above is just for trolling purposes..

haha.. from poison needle to poison antidote... you really know how to follow the wind...

it's all in the mind.. it's all in the mind...

this new set of racing quattro's are only a tad over RM1k per pair... a bit un-expected and shocked me a bit when i saw the price...
http://www.fulcrumwheels.com/en/news/2012/.../racing-quattro

last year's F100 is silver and white (the one i saw and someone selling in BBS a couple months ago for RM1.3k / 3month usage).. not sure if rodalink still has the old stock...



The F300 is just an upper grade helios flatbar series.. the good thing with it is that it comes with 27-speed, but both 9 and 8 speed drivetrain is on their way out of the market anyways... so, i guess if upgrade is a thing in the roadmap.. it doesn't matter... you won't get much cassette selection if you want to get out of the 11-25T anyways...

i've seen pedalspot fixing a merida flatbar for their customer... not sure if it is a Merida stock flatbar or one they converted with SRAM MTB parts...not sure about the price either... you can call them up to ask before you go over...

as for PJ bike shops... depends on what you want to do... more mid range shops would be pedalspot and ksh in ttdi.. there is also bikepro, joo ngan son, bikeplus, GH, godzilla, KH Cycle within driving distance in PJ...

apa u cakap? the reality is this...

25 - 28 = you can easily train this
27 - 30 = same goes here
30 - 33 = give up, doppage
33 - 36 = doppage
36 - 39 = doppage
39 - 42 = doppage
42 - 45 = doppage
45 + = Grubber Assist, like cancellara...

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Added on August 2, 2012, 9:28 am
The other Armstrong repeats Olympic time trial gold

great news for the new K-Edge chain catcher... not so good news for me expecting it to be cheap


Wiggins win and Cancellara loses in deep pain.. sad...



woooo... berner oversize pulleys...

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 2 2012, 09:33 AM

Wow! Thanks for all of the information! I checked out Bicycle Buy and Sell website and found this:
http://bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=165734
Do you think it is a bargain? I am not sure about the parts whether or not it is okay for the price cuz I don't know how to judge. What do you think?

those pictures don't tell much... if the bike is in good condition... wheels don't look banged up and parts don't look worn out.. then RM750 is really a good value since the new bike itself is around RM1.6k - RM1.8k if i am not wrong... best if the frame does not have serious paint chips and damage indicating any crash...

as far as touring is concerned... a new bike is not necessary since it is unavoidable that you will get it banged up sooner or later.. at least you don't have to deal with the heart break of causing damage to your new bike

the parts on a touring bike is a take it or leave it thing with touring bikes... the whole point of a touring setup is to have a bike that is tough and can endure rough terrain.. and if things fail.. parts are easy to locate at bike shops of remote area...

no point having the best and lightest wheel in the world utilizing special straight pull spokes when it cannot be replaced at a bike shop somewhere in thailand (sorry, bad geographical knowledge) for instance...

but that being said.. be prepped with a bit of money to spend on replacing some parts on the bike... at least chain, cables and tyres might be a valid concern no matter how good the previous owner takes care of the bike...

for me... my definition of a touring bike

1) non-composites frame (a must), steel is preferable for a softer ride, aluminum is acceptable as well and titanium if you are not scared of it getting stolen
2) comfortable upright frame geometry (tall head tube) so it's easier on your back for long hours in the saddle
3) 32 or 36 spoke wheels laced 3-cross to box type rims (mavic open pro) for maximum abuse
4) lots of clearance on the fork, seat and chain stays in case wheels get stuck full of mud
5) most important of all... a well padded big fat saddle..

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 2 2012, 06:50 PM

Yea.. you got a point. I will check on the frame whether if there is any serious damage or not. Well I just wanna make sure things are going smooth enough for myself to work on cuz I need to help my friends on their bike too. I may not be experienced but I really wanna start this tour with my friends. It is some kind of achievement and I think the experience rewarded will be great.

Well talking about Thailand... hope that someday I can have a tour in there.

And again thank you so much for your advice Mr.Butthead!!!

Can I PM you if I need more advice?

i jus come here and blow water only... so, it's an equal honor that you trust the words that i type onto the page

you might as well start looking at panier racks as well... jus so, you can gauge if the bike frame is fitting for a panier rack.. which it should since hianboy manage to stick a panier rack onto his helios as well which should be theoratically the same frame as the F100...

sure, you can PM me.. but be warned that i am a lousy PMer cos i don't look at the top right of the page and neither do i check my emails...

LOL

I will check out the pannier rack after I get the bike.

Hahaha... No problem man. I can wait for PM.

This post has been edited by shienchin: Aug 2 2012, 08:02 PM

Thanks for the word guys, really appreciate it. My first ride after my last accident will be on this satruday. Anxious about it . Going to ride with a fellow malaysian there. For sure i am going to be equip with arm/knee/ass protection.

Today went to my lbs and bought Pearl Izumi arm warmer, its XS but it still feel big on my small arm/wrist

Saw one of the customer collecting his custom build pinarello paris sdg. The shop gave him complemetry red wine to thanks him for the purchase

This is teh actual bike pic taken from my lbs website



This post has been edited by minizian: Aug 2 2012, 08:41 PM

Mr.Butthead.....

WAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHAH

haha butthead...i can be as poisonous as you are..but to tell other fellow beginner like myself so that he could save a few thousands RM in exchange for a very minimal feeling is noble whatttt

I like FR0, that's a true fact. although my fastest speed decending Genting Sempah was only 70kmh is quite low compare to those other experienced cyclist out there, I know the wheels or whatever technology it has inside did helped me to achieved that speed.

I swoop corners confidently..and freewheeling like a breeze...my friends are pedalling just to keep up with my freewheeling..that's true...

but i'm not being poisonous here.. lol

70kmh in sempah??????