i thought Monbukagakusho is easier le.... icic....thanks anyway...
are you at japan right now? may i noe how you go there? private o scholarship?

I need some help identifying the highlighted kanji. I looked it up using Microsoft's Japanese IME. I tried the writing pad as well as the stroke count. (Should be 8 strokes right?). Can't find it. And it is not the kanji for god or hope.

if you are referring to the one highlighted in yellow, it is 9 strokes and most certainly is "kami" or "god"

in this context it is "kamigami" or "gods" because of the extra character after that
神々

the reading is in kun-yomi.
if you use it as on-yomi, it's pronounced as "shin"

Thanks alot. The charater in the picture looks different form　神　

This is what it looks like to me. [URL=http://www.imagehosting.com] [/URL

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Added on February 22, 2007, 3:12 pmOk need a little bit more help. Is this how it should be read?

Wareware(our) no kamigami(gods) mo wareware(our) no kibou(hopes) mo,
mo(just) haya(what is this for?) tada(merely) kagaku(scientific)
teki(like/ical) na mono(stuff) de shika-nai(only)
to sureba(in the condition of, also makes the sentence conditional/if)

wareware(our) no ai(love, is this the charater for ai?, looks different abit)
mo-mata(also) kagaku teki de atte(in the state of) ikenai(should not?)
iware(what is this for?) ga arimashou(kinda understand but dunno how to explain this) ka(question mark)

Is this how rhetorical question are constructed in Japanese?

This post has been edited by mumeichan: Feb 22 2007, 03:14 PM

that's because the image isn't clear.

This had me stumped for a moment. The translation given is already fairly ok I think
but you could perhaps also say
"If our gods, our hopes, are now merely but scientific phenomena, then is there any reason that our love is not scientific as well?"

The example given is rhetorical in nature but if you use it in everyday life, you might end up sounding rather pompous
"iware" is another way of saying "wake" or reason

On another site, someone said mohaya is anymore. Is that right. Is mohaya a word on it's own or is is a combination of mo and haya?

That guy also said that mono in this sentence equals to phenomena. My dictionary has not explanation on that. What is the difference between mono and genshou(現象) if mono does mean or can be use to mean phenomena.

What is the difference between iware and riyuu (理由).

This part should be read like this right



riradan(what is this?) - [mirai(future) no('s)ivu(eve)]

One thing I noticed is that the katakana for vu is not in my kana index. Is there something special about it. It seems that my kana index doesn't have the double small line version of all the kana for a,i,u,e,o . Is there a va,vi,vu,ve,vo in Japanese?

i just looked up the dic, mohaya = anymore but its the 1st time i've seen it. mono=things/happenings so phenomena is pretty alright.

urm, i think va,vi,vu,ve,vo does exsit.. even ti as well but only for katakana.

I just remembered, I used to have fun reading the way Japanese pronounce English and french words. In all the words that I have seen, the v in english is always changed to b in japanese. For example television is terebi and not televi. I have too lookup more in this.

The other person just pointed out to me that riradan is how Japanese pronounce, L'Isle Adam, the French author who wrote L'eve Future. Gosh, I learned so many words today.

This post has been edited by mumeichan: Feb 22 2007, 10:03 PM

u're right about japanese changing the v to b but there are a few rare cases i've learned quite a bit on this as well. thanks for sharing, post more in the future!

This has nothing to do with Japanese, but this is just for reference because someone indicated that the translation present in the screenshot may have been a translation directly from french, the language L'eve Future was original written in.

"Si(if) nos(our) dieux(gods) et (and) nos(our) espoirs(hopes) ne-sont (are not) rien(nothing) d'autre(of other/but) que(that) des phénomènes(phenomena) scientifiques(scientific), alors(then) notre(our) amour(love) est(is) également(also) scientifique(scientific)."

This post has been edited by mumeichan: Feb 23 2007, 12:47 AM

when translating from one language to another, there is always a danger that one gets too caught up in the detailed meaning of individual words. My personal opinion is that instead, one should focus on the phrasing and context to better understand what is trying to be communicated.
mono and genshou are not always interchangeable, but in this context they obviously overlap. (mono, in general, has a wider meaning)

I've got another question.

Why do they use wareware no kamigami mo wareware mo kibou mo instead of wareware no kamigami to wareware no kibou or wareware no kamigami ya wareware no kibou ya ?

This post has been edited by mumeichan: Feb 24 2007, 06:55 PM

mo actuallys means also , to is and while ya is and but usually added with nado at the end to mean etc..

i guess all would be somehow acceptable. but mo just sounds cool

i'm talking rubbish

I got questions here, where else can I download the JLPT pass year paper? The gmail provided here gave me corrupted RAR/ZIP files

and how much is the exam fees for JLPT lvl 4 usually? Where is the venue of exam in KL?

hajimemashite...

Oi hentai otoko, dozo~

ano hentai janai yo~ kare mada eichi shitakunai yo~ honto dayo~

since when va vi vu ve vo exist?
if it exist...please write the hiragana & katakana please

what i know is only that "we" & "wi" exist only...

the last character in the picture is the katakana for vu

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Added on March 26, 2007, 3:00 amヴァ　ヴィ　ヴ　ヴェ　ヴォ

this is what i get when i type va vi vu ve vo into my computer. There seem to be other ways to write them as well. But I can't input it with the Microsoft IME.

This post has been edited by mumeichan: Mar 26 2007, 03:02 AM

Can someone help me translate this. It's an announcement that is played at train stations I think.