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This post has been edited by WingKalimdor: Jan 29 2007, 08:19 AM

日本人？　英語上手ですな。。。。

だから。。。？！？

同意しませんか

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wow you must taken the JLPT many many years ago! (at least more that 10 years ago ) The syllabus/test requirements have actually evolved quite significantly compared to the way you describe it. Nowadays, there are 4 levels to the JLPT, the easiest is lvl 4 and the hardest is lvl 1. There is no longer any written or essay test but you have to start learning kanji from the lowest level as well as go through a listening component from level 4 onwards. However the leap from level 2 to 1 is still huge.
Refer to this link

The test is still hard enough to pass even though it is all in an objective format.
By passing level 1 of the JLPT, one is *supposed* to be as technically proficient as a japanese high school student. Though in my personal experience, that is sometimes not the case

Written kanji proficiency is now tested in the Kanji kentei shiken which is even more difficult (even for some Japanese!)

This post has been edited by oe_kintaro: Jan 30 2007, 08:02 AM

あなたの英国は熟練している今でも日本語非常に弱い.......ハハでありではない。

Sorry boss...can't understand that.
I not really fluent in Japanese, you know...
Care to explain?

Cheers!

It's something like your English is very good but Japanese is very weak.

OK, enough already, chilllllll......

Neither the English nor the Japanese here is fantastic, so please don't anybody intimidate beginners with negative comments.

上級者 can start some new topics/threads in full Japanese script discussion like the Cantonese/Hakka ones, etc. and be as crude as you dare!

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This post has been edited by oneeleven: Feb 7 2007, 11:34 PM

What's wrong with you. I merely do a lousy translation for "あなたの英国は熟練している今でも日本語非常に弱い.......ハハでありではない。" and you quote my message like I have done something terrible. 差劲の家伙。

停止!!

"あなたの英国は熟練している今でも日本語非常に弱い.......ハハでありではない。"
It mean even your english is very good but weaken in Japanese.....haha..

Only that I mean .

This post has been edited by WingKalimdor: Feb 9 2007, 07:47 AM

did you use some translator software?

the first time I read that, I was not sure what you meant (though it did seem that you were insulting somebody )

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Added on February 9, 2007, 1:48 pm一言を言わせていただきます：
Previously there was another thread for japanese speakers also but it died a slow and painful death because there was nothing interesting going on. None of the advanced learners would say much since there was nothing worthwhile discussing. If we can't move beyond the "Loookie me speakum japanese" or Hello World phase, this thread may go the same way too. In the 4 years or so that I have been lurking in this forum, I have noticed at least a few fairly advanced users of the language but I have not seen much interaction. In order for such a thread to survive there must first be something worth talking or debating about. As for being "crude" like the Cantonese or Hakka thread (I take your word for it since I don't speak either dialect) I really hope that is not the direction that this thread should take. Perhaps it would be more interesting if we discussed the finer points of the language or life in Japan or cultural interaction with the Japanese people.




This post has been edited by oe_kintaro: Feb 9 2007, 01:48 PM

Yes, especially if something we can't get on a hundred other J-practice forums.
Maybe if there are Japanese words for our tropical things, etc., dunno.

This recent banter was because of cultural insensitivity (using "Jap"), about which I believe the gang here aspiring to learn JPNS was just naive and needed to hear it witnessed from someone who feels hurt by it.

Anyway, to move on, I'll contribute info about some learning sites. Search iTunes Store Podcasts and you'll get tons of free Japanese lessons. (You don't need anything more than your PC.) Follow up by printing out texts from the websites listed.

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Since we are on the topic of learning Japanese, perhaps we could talk about our own experiences in learning the language and interacting with native speakers (beyond the class room). It would be interesting to distill the experiences of the more advanced non-native speakers as well as the inputs of native speakers like oneeeleven-san.

Let me start the ball rolling:
In the beginning:
I started learning seriously about 7 years ago, and spent 4-6 hours a week learning at a language night school. Being rather busy with work most of the time, in retrospect I think I was rather lucky to have gotten as far as I have. (I estimate my current proficiency to be somewhere between Lvl2 and Lvl1) I was always late for class and almost never turned in my homework

Turning point:
When we all start to learn a foreign language, there always comes a point when we realize that we could actually *speak* in the language (as opposed to just memorizing stuff in the text book or making up sentences for homework). I think for me, this was when I participated in the national level 弁論大会 about 3-4 years ago and got to know people who spoke japanese well.

Hitting a wall
I was not educated in a chinese medium and as such had immense difficulty with kanji. However this was not an issue until I hit level 2. Even now I still struggle (in part, due to my own laziness)

現状：
I'm busier than ever and never seem to get around to studying seriously for level 1.
At my current level, I'm more or less able to deal with my Japanese counterparts at work. I also began teaching elementary level students late last year, and so there is still much room to grow.

Dun deserve the label.... I'm not a native speaker but many trips to Japan. In fact, I am several stages behind most -- fluent broken stuff, struggling with grammar, sorta like early Kintaro-san, not Chinese educated.

My story's unusual, so not really relevant to others here. However, I brought up the "Jap" no-no because of personal encounters with J's who complained. When a real Japanese spoke up right HERE at LYN, I wanted to show it to everyone.

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そうですか。。勘違いをしてしまって失礼しました

Hi guys,

New to learning japanese here. However just to get things rolling a little, how long should we actually wait from the first day of a Japanese class to learn Hiragana and Katagana. I've actually gone thru Hiragana before my classes and successfully remembered it almost 99% of the time. But now that I plan to do Katagana, i'm almost mixing up both writing systems.

Do enlighten me, how far apart should the learning of both writing systems be? When do I start learning Kanji? It pisses me off when I see a Japanese noodle package in a store near my house and I can only read a few letters and not the whole thing Anyway, will work my best and start speaking here often!

You're doing OK. "Rome wasn't built in a day."

I know that noodle package feeling..... try shopping in a supermarket in Japan! After you know what you're buying, then take it home and figger out how to use it!

That should suggest a good manageable project for lessons here. Vocab for deciphering noodle packets! How about it, Master Senseis???

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Thanks 111. Anyway, I'm wondering...what do you do in Japan? Do you live there? Takes so much effort to browse each forum page and read all the previous posts. I plan to move to Japan as well, and I know sometimes it sounds a little childish and all. But i'm already a working person and have been in love with the culture since i was young. Anyway I'll continue my noodle deciphering project now. Off to a sundry shop now.

actually, why do u want to move to japan? if possible i would rather raise my children away from here. bullying is just too bad, i dont want my child to jump off my apartment building! japan is not rosy at all.

noodle dechipiring.. not easy! but then i never look at instructions .

Oi, Clem, how did you get such a bad impression? Surprising, since Toyota-shi is such a rich and suburban like place.

The problem is mostly the parents. Don't you think you could be a better parent than those workaholics? You aren't Japanese, so no need to be like them.

And dear Mahou (magic), you can't just move to Japan. I pass through often and visit close friends, sometimes for months. Hope you got a skill in high demand and a job offer before you go. You might be able to just HIDE there, but then what kind of life can you expect? Prepare first, don't rush and make hasty mistakes!

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