So basically you're just branding yourself as a sheep.. who only follow what others do, without having any standpoint of your own. How sad.

Don't be sad because many people feel this way about Sony. Only Sony think they
are still a premium brand and can charge a premium price for their products. Many
consumers dont agree thats why they are loosing billions every year. That being said
I think RX100 is at the top of its class now and I will buy it but I still wish it was some
other brand instead of Sony

This post has been edited by aquos: Jul 31 2012, 04:08 AM

i nvr said i am following anyone. Just that what makes Sony thinks they can sell that camera premium?

Yes the sensor of it is just tat bit bigger than those enthusiastic P&S. But then it does not shine in any other things, first design it is seriously outmatch by Fuji x series (for the classy and elegant premium look), second it is not have the fastest lens in it rank (it doesn't even win the year old Olympus XZ-1), third it does not look like a serious P&S like G1X (yes the size is big but hey at least the main sell point is the sensor size + all the control). fourth its feature doesnt even come near Nikon 1 series which is really wow in this factor. Last but to least, it is not the smallest in the rank too (canon still give us a good s series).

So what i see Sony is... they are trying to achieve everything but end up does not do anything as good as their opponent. For the price they ask for, i think is still abit too much for a jack of all trade master of none P&S.

Seriously? The cameras that Sony offer for the same price compared to its competitors offers much much more features and value for me.

And only Sony Malaysia is pricing it this high. Like what other forummers have mentioned, Taiwan/Singapore/Hong Kong are selling it at much cheaper prices. If you wanna bash also bash the correct entity la.

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Added on July 31, 2012, 9:21 amLol. You have to use so many cameras to compare against this rx100 to find its flaws? I fail to see your analysis is fair when you dont even bother to mention about detail rendering/high ISO performance/ AF speed/ video mode/ Etc.

An have you even tried the rx100 by yourself before claiming that other cameras are much better? by the way te sensor is not a bit bigger than P&S sensors, it's at least twice the size bigger. It's not a jack of all trades, the whole point of the camera is having a large sized sensor P&S with a bright f1.8 Zeiss lens on the wide end that is pocketable. It doesn't look 'serious' because buyers would like to be discreet with theis camera. If they wanted attention they would have used their DSLRs. If you are looking to shoot far away objects with this camera in low light then I totally agree with you that this camera is not for you.

Just wondering, how do you define 'wow' factor though?'wow because the button layouts for the Nikon 1 is so thoughtfully arranged?'

This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 31 2012, 09:21 AM

Well that's the point of having competition.

guess we all have different point of view. Just enjoy the camera. No point argue also. Ppl like it will still buy it. Not like i hate the camera just i dont like the way they price it only. Ok peace peace for all the others.

as quoted from my friend:

Ferrari good meh?
I read from a proton reviewer said lousy wei...
the brake no as good as BMW
Low power vs veyron
no aero like lambo
Lousy la
Lucky I didn't test drive it...
Problem?

This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 31 2012, 09:46 AM

Oh look. RM2388 at Shashinki.

http://j.mp/NgB0Le

If Shashinki can sell it at 2388 I believe street prices should be around 21XX

Admittedly.. My first reaction was also "uh-oh.. Where's sony gonna screw up this time".

Cant help it as my previous limited experience with Sony is that their products are designed by marketing department for uber specs to look good on paper. Like my hx9v.. Awesome vid but as a camera.. Exp comp is in a menu.. P and M mode is there for show only.. Totally unusable etc.

But looking at the RX100 thus far.. Shud applaud Sony for finally getting out of their variation of a theme mentality and making an enthusiast product lo.

I think their pricing make sense since X10 started this price point. G1X also at this price point and RX100 as a package has strong enough sell point to counter them. Biz must make money wat... But as cheapo consumer.. Probably will wait for price drop

The X-Pro1 is fairly priced, considering the sensor technology that it has. Fuji's X-Trans CMOS sensor cost a lot to build from scratch, plus it doesn't have the numbers as traditional 2x2 pixel Bayer layouts. So, regardless of who makes the sensor for Fujfilm, you can bet that it costs way more simply because it doesn't have economies of scale, same thing as the Foveon. However, the output from that X-Trans sensor needs to be experienced firsthand to believe just how much better it is compared to Bayer (though it does still lose out to Foveon albeit slightly).

Here, download this photo and see for yourself. http://www.magezinepublishing.com/equipmen..._1331483113.jpg

Mind you, no AA filter, yet no moire. Try sharpening the file just slightly and see if you like it better.

This post has been edited by gregy: Jul 31 2012, 10:42 AM

You're right. I forgot that they make their own sensor. Must've cost a lot for R&D and stuffs.

Maybe you're waiting for XZ-2?

Sniper, I've tested the rx100. Overall it's a good PnS. But coming from a dslr background, the only thing lacking in a PnS is the ability to quickly shift focusing points. Something which can be easily overcome with a touchscreen. Wide area AF sometimes just doesn't cut it. It's unpredictable. My dad's GF3 is nice to use because of that, can't say the same of my nex3. Makes me feel like wanting to upgrade to NEX 5n for the same reason. In the rx100, I feel it's missing this feature. Else it's a very very capable camera esp with the f/1.8 at the wide end.

Haven't personally played with one so reserve judgement first.

You mean cannot switch to single AF point and move it around?

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Added on July 31, 2012, 11:30 am*fingers crossed*

Hopefully Oly and Sony are now good friends.

This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Jul 31 2012, 11:30 AM

Can, but it's very slow to move from one side of the screen to the other. It's faster on a dedicated system like a dslr/t, and not to mention, touchscreen.

It's only Sony Malaysia doing this. They overprice their products which are priced comparatively cheaper in other countries.

In fact, Nikon & Canon do tend to overprice their products globally.

Scenes of Jalan Alor shot by someone with RX100 and posted on Dpreview.
Nice

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=42172185

Hmmm... the dynamic range doesn't look too good here.

Sony Msia RM2499
YL Camera RM2480
Shashinki RM2388

anyone know any other prices in KL?

could always use DRO to boost to DR.

someone told me he found 22XX but not sure where