Leicester and Queens, I understand.

there is a website which lists the conditional offer grades of all uk med schools, unfortunately i can't find it now.....

what i remember from the list, which was based on the 2011/12 round (and the beginning of the a* grade which was first awarded the year before) was that while most med schools was still offering aaa, several have already started asking for at least 1 a*, starting with oxbridge which ask that for practically all courses....

i am quite sure this round (13/14), the majority of med schools will already be asking for a*aa....that is still a pretty wide net, encompassing about maybe 12% of all a levels candidates....

there will still be the odd low offers, for people they really want....ie with attributes other than sheer academic powess.....eg sportsman, musicians etc...

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Medic...el_Requirements

ah thanks....and it hasn't changed much, still mostly aaa....which includes the top 18% of all candidates.....

the ps, entrance exam and interview are going to be hugely important.....and they are going to find lots of people with 3a* and 2a*a with no offers....and i suspect few with offers will not make the aaa asked....

Leicester. Will be heading there in 2 weeks.

Medical degree: A dream or nightmare?
B Nantha Kumar
| September 12, 2013

Pursuing a medical degree is no longer glamorous. It burns pockets and bankrupts families.

PETALING JAYA: Her name is Subha (not her real name). She had an ambition to be a medical doctor since the age of 10.

Now as a 27-year-old, she is a second year houseman in a government hospital. It will then take another three years for her to complete her compulsory government service as medical officer before she qualifies for the full registration with the medical council.

Yes, Subha achieved her childhood dream. But is she really happy with her achievement today?

Speaking to FMT, Subha claims that she is indeed delighted to be a doctor but is still paying a high price for her happiness.

According to her, she graduated from a local private college and her degree cost her RM400,000.

“My CGPA point was 3.96, but all the local universities rejected my applications. Thus I was forced to pursue my medical studies in a private college,” she said.

Subha said she managed to obtain a RM150,000 loan from PTPTN while the balance amount was covered with her father’s savings and borrowings from other sources.

“I pay about RM2,000 a month to settle my education loans, including the PTPTN loan,” she said, adding that she still has to settle the outstanding amount for the next 20 years.

She further stressed that most of the Malaysian doctors are having a hard time paying their loans and debts.

Pains of a medical degree

Taking into account Subha’s predicament, this brings us to the question: is it really worth pursuing a medical degree in Malaysia with such high fees; which is indeed endorsed by the government?

A check by FMT revealed that there are more than 40 public and private universities, and colleges offering medical courses in Malaysia.

Though a medical degree may cost around RM150,000 in public universities, the fees in private institutions are anywhere between RM300,000 to even a million.

It is compulsory for all medical graduates to practice in a government hospital for five years to complete their housemanship.

During this period they are classified under two different grades, namely UD41 and UD44. For UD41, the salary ranges between RM2,600 to RM4,000.

As housemen they work for a minimum of 12 to 15 hours a day. After two years, they are upgraded to UD44.

They are also promoted as medical officers and salaries range between RM4,500 to RM5,000. After the final year they have an option to continue their career in the government service or private concerns.

However after 12 years and spending half a million, is it worth just to earn RM5,000 to RM6,000 as a doctor?

Working more than 12 hours a day (for some longer, as they supplement their income doing locum in clinics) just to settle their debts has raised concern over their profession.

Is low income or exorbitant fees the core issue here? The answer is obvious – fees imposed by private institutions are mind boggling.

for prospective medical students who have poor academic results and a 'passion' to be a doctor and wanting to enrol in unrecognised med schools, do note that the new mmc guideline now prohibit such students from attempting the mqe if the don't satisfy the minimum qualifications for entry into med schools....basically, you pay for a useless piece of paper, you can never be registered as a doctor...

http://mmc.gov.my/v1/index.php?option=com_...=111&Itemid=161

it's about time....and i think it is still too lax....other countries restrict their med students to straight a students or >atar95....

Tell the aussies about atar 80 for medicine, and they will think it's the funniest thing ever.

Straight As for Medicine. No problem.

Our Education Blueprint will make it happen.

Lololol "A THIRD of Victorian school leavers with an ATAR of 98 or above applied to study medicine at Monash University last year. And 90 per cent of students with an ATAR above 90 choose a course with a cut-off within 10 points of their own ranking, new analysis by equity expert Andrew Harvey has found."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-edu...x-1226716360354

the so called 'spend effect'....

but it's the same for all exams, and all selection process into higher education...in a meritocratic atmosphere, everybody wants to maximise return on their 'asset', ie exam results.....because that atmosphere accord differential value to all courses, a value which is real in society, whether in money terms or otherwise.....

it is perhaps less so in countries with broadly banded results, eg a levels in uk....and more marked in countries with finely differentiated results, like australia's atar rank and us's sats scores.....

So I've heard - good teachers are hard to come by these days...

In other news, update on internships in Aus:

Rural Doctor Training Pipeline Internships

The Rural Doctor Training Pipeline (RDTP) will increase capacity to train medical interns in alternative settings, such as private hospitals, and in rural and regional Australia, where there are traditionally fewer options for internship training. The RDTP will involve private hospitals, accreditation agencies and state and territory governments developing new internship training opportunities funded by the Australian Government. As all domestic medical graduates are expected to be placed into an internship by states and territories, RDTP positions will only be available to international full-fee paying international medical graduates who have completed their medical course in Australia in 2013 and who have not yet accepted an intern place for 2014. This information sheet has been developed to provide an overview of the RDTP initiative.

Applications will be called in mid-September 2013, in line with the national schedule of offers expected to be made by state and territory governments (it is expected that the second audit of state and territory intern acceptances and unplaced applicants will be complete by this time).

ELIGIBILITY
Applicants will have to meet all eligibility requirements. Applicants will have to:
• have completed their medical course in Australia in 2013; and
• have met, or will have met prior to commencement of internship, the Medical Board of Australia (MBA) English language requirements for registration purposes; and
• not be an Australian Citizen; and
• meet immigration requirements to allow them to work in Australia in 2014 (refer to the Department of Immigration and Australian Citizenship website for details http://www.immi.gov.au/ ).
Applicants will not be eligible for an RDTP internship if:
• their medical degree was undertaken in an overseas campus of an Australian university;
• they have already accepted an internship position from a state or territory for 2014;
• they graduated in, or prior to, the 2012 calendar year or will graduate in the 2014 calendar year.
• they do not meet the MBA English language requirements before commencing internship.

APPLICATION
When the application round opens in mid-September, interested medical students will be asked to submit an application to the Department, including the following information:
• full name;
• university;
• date medical degree completed (or will be complete);
• Intern Placement Number (as provided to them by their medical school);
• email address/es;
• current home address or mailing address;
• a current telephone number (mobile or landline); and
• a short statement confirming that (1) all eligibility requirements for the RDTP described above met and (2) the student understands that accepting an RDTP internship will involve a Return of Service obligation (see below).

In the application, students will be able to include additional supporting information for forwarding to participating hospitals to help them determine which applicants may be more suitable candidates for the internships they are offering:
• a short description of any particular interests they may have as a medical intern; and
• the name and contact details of a referee related to their medical studies.

Applications should not be provided, and will not be accepted, until applications open. It is expected that this will be in mid-September. More information will be provided closer to this date. Applications will close one week from the opening date. (Applicants will need to agree that any details they provide can be forwarded, in confidence, to stakeholders (including private hospitals and state and territory governments) for the purposes of facilitating the allocation of medical internships in Australia for 2014, including as part of the National Internship Audit Process).

ALLOCATION PROCESS
Once applications have been received, details of all applicants will be made available to participating hospitals. These hospitals may contact applicants to discuss their interest in an RDTP internship. Participating hospitals will be requested to make offers during a specified time period. Applicants will then have a specified deadline to accept any offers.

If the applicant accepts an offer, both the applicant and the hospital must separately confirm to the Department that an agreement has been reached. The requisite documentation to formalise this decision will then need to be completed and submitted to the Department if the internship is to progress.

PARTICIPATION IN THE RDTP IN 2014
It is important to note that:
• participation in the RDTP is voluntary;
• an application to the RDTP initiative will not guarantee an internship for 2014;
• undertaking an internship under the RDTP will not guarantee employment after the internship;
• an RDTP internship may include a Prevocational General Practice Placement Program term;
• graduates who accept an RDTP internship position will need to complete 12 months’ return of service if the internship is not served in a rural or regional area;
• failure to complete the internship year or the return of service period will result in the applicant having to repay the cost of providing the internship place. This may be up to $130,000;
• if part or all of the internship is completed in an approved return of service location, this will count towards the 12 month return of service period; and
• any internship which is offered cannot be swapped with another intern, cannot be undertaken part-time and cannot be deferred.

RELATIONSHIP TO STATE / TERRITORY INTERNSHIP PROCESSES
RDTP is separate to state or territory intern allocation processes. However, work is continuing with state and territory governments to streamline the internship application and allocation process in each jurisdiction. In an effort to reduce the inefficiency and confusion which may emerge where one student submits several applications, the following policies will apply to the RDTP:
• RDTP applicants who accept an offer from a state or territory, will be removed from the RDTP process; and
• RDTP applicants who accept an RDTP internship offer will have their details provided to states and territories, which may alter the status of any offers or acceptances they have made with the applicant.

http://www.medicaldeans.org.au/rural-docto...nternships.html

So there is no fear of the shortage of
Internship places, as long as you are a cash cow and you won't mind put in remote areas.

Bolehland graduates have yet to reach such a state, at least for now.

a bit more incentive for international students to go to OZ....

Greetings people,

Any recommendations on patellar hammer for a fresh medical student? Wish to get something affordable that I could use in the long run, which I don't have to worry about upgrading or getting a replacement too soon. Ideal budget would be RM45 or below.

Is 3M Littmann Classic II Stethoscope for RM190 a good bargain?

Thanks in advance.

This post has been edited by cakes&cream: Sep 17 2013, 08:55 PM

There is .... EBAY and Amazon.com....
If you have a debit card... or better yet... a credit card... you can get some good deals on medical stuff not usually available in Malaysia...

http://www.ebay.com/

http://www.amazon.com/

exactly

btw, for the rural internship thing, does Tassie count as part of 'rural' areas? if it is, then yay.

International fees soar to £200k for a degree

21 August 2013
Cambridge is the most expensive medical school for international students who must pay almost £200,000 for their degrees.
The Complete University Guide has set out the annual fees for students on undergraduate courses around the UK.
Cambridge tuition fees for international students come to £165,345 over the five-year course, while compulsory college fees of up to £6,500 a year take the total to £197,845.
Edinburgh students face charges of £153,102 for their degrees.
The least expensive courses for international students are at Newcastle, £111,415 and Liverpool, £115,540.
The BMA has long highlighted the economic benefit to the UK of medical students coming from overseas.
BMA medical students committee joint deputy chair James Warwick (pictured above) said international students contributed to the UK in social, cultural and financial terms.
He said: ‘The increased cost of tuition fees is hard for home students but for many international students even a small rise in the already large fees that they pay could lead to many people not applying.’
Read the BMA's guide to medical student finance

More information about all types of university fees

Leicester also has one of the most cheapest fees, being 114,750 quid.

Can't believe the prices are soaring at tremendous rates.. It will be difficult for internationals, especially Malaysians to study medicine in UK in the future. Sigh..
The strengthening of the sterling pounds ain't helping either. D:

hi people, my bro, currently he's in ain shams and because of mom was super worried, so she prefer him to just continue degree here. things get worst when mara & jpa dont give scholarship nimoar because of the incident in egypt. meanwhile if he just bail outta there and enroll in msia, yes he will get the scholarship.

wanna ask which uni should my bro go for.

1. Asia Metropolitan university
2. AIMST University
3. MAHSA University College

thanks