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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V23 - Dead or Alive!

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lhwj
post May 19 2012, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 19 2012, 11:25 PM)
Of course I park far far away. If the SA realize I just bought a new Proton, don't think he'll layan me  laugh.gif


Hmmmm I wonder what you would have said if he asked what car you're currently driving tongue.gif

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Speaking of brakes and Perodua, looks like word about Maivee's stock brakes being rubbish is true. I had to press quite deep before the car slows down. Can't imagine driving at speed and needing to stop in a hurry.
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Maybe you're too used to our brakes. I do realise our brakes do bite pretty abruptly, other cars I've driven like the Kamry and Volvo also need to be pressed quite far before it starts to bite properly. Much more progressive. It's been ages since I last drove a Maivee so I can't remember how it felt like. But if you're saying that the LBLP can't brake hard even when you press it to the max then I guess you're right.

QUOTE(Emirates @ May 19 2012, 11:31 PM)
Thanks lhwj and dares for yr replies.

The brakes feel like hard N not spongy enough N does not slow the car down fast enough. I feel like there shud be more feel like gradual slowing down of the car when u brake. Hope i explained clearly. thanks guys
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It's the characteristic of the car, I guess. If you're still not happy with the brakes by the first service or so then maybe change the pads or something. Perhaps others can advise you on this.

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post May 19 2012, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 19 2012, 11:48 PM)
You gotta leave some time for the brake pad to grind in with the disk brakes, so as the shoes at the back drum brakes to grind in with the drum. 15" wheels does make a little different to the brakes as compare to normal 14" SAGAs. Those brakes are made sufficient for 13",14" wheels, I'm using 15" wheels now and I can really feel the difference compare to previous stock 13" steel rims.

However, just patiently drive this 1000km and wait for the 1st service. Its better to let your children to run in this 1000km for you. After this then only you try the brake again before service! You'll probably feel the difference between a new disc VS a 1000km seasoned disc. If all that does not satisfy you, you may get the SC to check on your brake line see whether 'bubbled". If yes they'll proceed to release air and top up some brake fluid for you to ensure all 4 brake lines are running at optimal instead of sending bubble to the brakes smile.gif
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Thanks davidke20. Will do. You guys have been really helpful.
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post May 20 2012, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 20 2012, 12:39 AM)
Hmmm, mine works fine, comparable to the old gen Vios in my family. Maybe try using it for a while and see if it improves as the brake pad beds in.
There is only one Proton COE lols. COE = Center of Service Excellence, at Subang Jaya off Kesas highway.
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opps..buat malu jer.. blush.gif
hahaha..anyway,thanks alot!!! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post May 20 2012, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ May 19 2012, 11:49 PM)
Hmmmm I wonder what you would have said if he asked what car you're currently driving tongue.gif
Maybe you're too used to our brakes. I do realise our brakes do bite pretty abruptly, other cars I've driven like the Kamry and Volvo also need to be pressed quite far before it starts to bite properly. Much more progressive. It's been ages since I last drove a Maivee so I can't remember how it felt like. But if you're saying that the LBLP can't brake hard even when you press it to the max then I guess you're right.

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He did ask, I simply spout out Kelisa tongue.gif

As for the brakes, I am also comparing to the Vios, not just our gaga. blush.gif


QUOTE(Emirates @ May 19 2012, 11:52 PM)
Thanks davidke20. Will do. You guys have been really helpful.
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I think I should add this: I had my rear drumbrakes replaced before, before the replacement the brakes felt a bit spongy and slow to bite, but after the replacement it improved quite noticably. Maybe there were air bubbles in the brake lines before, I'm not sure.

QUOTE(mizynee @ May 20 2012, 12:03 AM)
opps..buat malu jer.. blush.gif
hahaha..anyway,thanks alot!!! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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No worries smile.gif

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MildLO
post May 20 2012, 01:14 AM

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Hi guys,

I want to ask,how much service charge + windscreen at doctor cermin for double layer?

If at service center,how much for it include insallation?

1 more thing,if our insurance don't cover windshield,can I apply it before renew my roadtax?

Thanks smile.gif
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post May 20 2012, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 19 2012, 07:54 PM)
Someone once explained to me for the following desirable for brake pads:

Minimal brake dust
Strong bite
Quiet

You only get to pick 2 for your brake pads. Dunno how true is that.


Added on May 19, 2012, 7:55 pm

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never heard of that......brake should bite as tight as possible there is almost impossible to measure it.....

if it can be measure then it will be disaster.

only cheapo brake pads makes those dust out
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post May 20 2012, 05:33 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 19 2012, 07:54 PM)
Someone once explained to me for the following desirable for brake pads:

Minimal brake dust
Strong bite
Quiet

You only get to pick 2 for your brake pads. Dunno how true is that.


Added on May 19, 2012, 7:55 pm

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lol strong bite....

The correct term is maximum operating temperature.

BTW, there are a few types of brake sets which fits the criteria above: one of them being carbon composite brakes or carbon ceramic composite brakes.



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post May 20 2012, 06:17 AM

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QUOTE(Invalid Username @ May 19 2012, 08:03 PM)
is he in this thread? haha.  blush.gif
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may i help u??lol
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post May 20 2012, 08:27 AM

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Hi & Good Morning, Everyone!! notworthy.gif

Juz2share...

There's a round black rubber plug at side of each door in line with door handle.
Remove that "plug".
A Philips head screw can be seen in centre of hole.

Chk if that screw is fully tightened.

Fyi mine was : 1 fully tightened BUT the other 3 were VERY LOOSE!!

I hv oledi tightened them. smile.gif

Dunno, if not tightened, this cld be a source of noises from door or might cause any probs in future... tongue.gif
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post May 20 2012, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ May 20 2012, 05:33 AM)
lol strong bite....

The correct term is maximum operating temperature.

BTW, there are a few types of brake sets which fits the criteria above: one of them being carbon composite brakes or carbon ceramic composite brakes.
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post May 20 2012, 09:10 AM

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I change my driving style and end up my FC even worse sad.gif
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post May 20 2012, 09:23 AM

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Kenape bila masuk gear 1 or 2,mase nak tolak ke kiri untuk masuk gear 1,terasa longgar...ade benda patah ke?
Kerata sy saga blm
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post May 20 2012, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(sepulramli @ May 20 2012, 09:23 AM)
Kenape bila masuk gear 1 or 2,mase nak tolak ke kiri untuk masuk gear 1,terasa longgar...ade benda patah ke?
Kerata sy saga blm
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Ada spring 2 batang dalam shiftstick. 1 tarek kiri, 1 lagi tarek kanan. Kalu macam hang punya, sama ngan gua punya, yg kira dah patah. Masuk gear 1 & 2 rasa longgar, gear 3 & gear 4 selalu miss. Pi Plotong tuka, khabarnya beberapa ringgit je, tak sampei 10 pon. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:36 am
QUOTE(mieza @ May 20 2012, 09:10 AM)
I change my driving style and end up my FC even worse sad.gif
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Try to refill your tank before 200km up on the trip meter. Do that every time so you get faster fuelly reading. Another advantage is, given less room for the fuel inside the tank to wash around, it reduces the rate of evaporation(NOT SCIENTIFICALLY TESTED, but it helps me to get 0.5km/litre so far). Drive slow does not mean save petrol, but pickup slow does help. CVT doesn't do free rolling, far far see traffic light then let the car roll doesn't work because the engine brake would have stop your car before you reach the traffic light. Just brake like usual, drive like usual. Pickup slow and drive smoothly, you'll get to see wonders nod.gif


Added on May 20, 2012, 9:58 am
QUOTE(MildLO @ May 20 2012, 01:14 AM)
Hi guys,

I want to ask,how much service charge + windscreen at doctor cermin for double layer?

If at service center,how much for it include insallation?

1 more thing,if our insurance don't cover windshield,can I apply it before renew my roadtax?

Thanks smile.gif
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Best to keep your original windscreen if it's repairable.

“After a windshield has been replaced, there is no reliable test to determine if the replacement
was done properly and safely” Leo Cyr, Vice President - National Glass Association, Auto Glass Division USA

Prices as below:
Normal laminated <RM200
Tempered laminated <300
Moulding seal RM80
Glue RM25 x 2
Labor charge, please negotiate by yourself. Normally around RM50 if all stocks you bought from them.

This post has been edited by davidke20: May 20 2012, 09:58 AM
mieza
post May 20 2012, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 20 2012, 09:30 AM)
Try to refill your tank before 200km up on the trip meter. Do that every time so you get faster fuelly reading. Another advantage is, given less room for the fuel inside the tank to wash around, it reduces the rate of evaporation(NOT SCIENTIFICALLY TESTED, but it helps me to get 0.5km/litre so far). Drive slow does not mean save petrol, but pickup slow does help. CVT doesn't do free rolling, far far see traffic light then let the car roll doesn't work because the engine brake would have stop your car before you reach the traffic light. Just brake like usual, drive like usual. Pickup slow and drive smoothly, you'll get to see wonders nod.gif
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I always refill when got 3 bar empty.. Thinking to change from Petronas to Shell after this.. I've high expectation coz recently during 1k service I've use full synthetic.. Thank u for your advice rclxm9.gif

Slalu mau isi minyk penuh.. Tp bila start engine, reading less 1 bar.. I wonder why..
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post May 20 2012, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 20 2012, 10:00 AM)
I always refill when got 3 bar empty.. Thinking to change from Petronas to Shell after this.. I've high expectation coz recently during 1k service I've use full synthetic.. Thank u for your advice  rclxm9.gif

Slalu mau isi minyk penuh.. Tp bila start engine, reading less 1 bar.. I wonder why..
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Try Esso or Caltex.

And when you say changed driving style, means how you drive now?
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QUOTE(dares @ May 20 2012, 10:01 AM)
Try Esso or Caltex.

And when you say changed driving style, means how you drive now?
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At my place don't have Esso/Caltex.. Hehe I drive slowly.. Only few times change to N.. Always drive around 2k rpm.. Slow acceleration..

Before this I'm driving fast and too many times change to N.. Don't even care about rpm.. Fast acceleration..
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guess what... my fc getting worst... now 240km per tank max ! sad.gif


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QUOTE(mieza @ May 20 2012, 10:12 AM)
At my place don't have Esso/Caltex.. Hehe I drive slowly.. Only few times change to N..  Always drive around 2k rpm.. Slow acceleration..

Before this I'm driving fast and too many times change to N.. Don't even care about rpm.. Fast acceleration..
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what phone you using ? if iphone there is an app call Caltex Stations that can locate nearby caltex petrol station... hope this helps... smile.gif

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post May 20 2012, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 20 2012, 10:12 AM)
At my place don't have Esso/Caltex.. Hehe I drive slowly.. Only few times change to N..  Always drive around 2k rpm.. Slow acceleration..

Before this I'm driving fast and too many times change to N.. Don't even care about rpm.. Fast acceleration..
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Bt the way, remove your 1st fuelly for the empty tank whilst you receive your car with empty tank, you'll get a 99.999% accurate reading instead. it doesn't make sense for 12km for 29litres of petrol. Your car is fairly good FC if you remove that 1st column.


Added on May 20, 2012, 11:52 am
QUOTE(kenjilew @ May 20 2012, 10:19 AM)
guess what... my fc getting worst... now 240km per tank max ! sad.gif


Added on May 20, 2012, 10:23 am

what phone you using ? if iphone there is an app call Caltex Stations that can locate nearby caltex petrol station... hope this helps... smile.gif
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Now no more go Yau Yip la, in in out out puchong kl thats why left 240km/tank la izit? brows.gif


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QUOTE(Emirates @ May 19 2012, 11:14 PM)
My daughter got her Saga FLX 1.6 SE (Red) today. The car looks good and drives well. Fit n finish also pretty good. But i just have 2 questions n i hope the sifus can help.

The paint work has a lot of swirls like the waxing or polishing job by proton was not good. How do i get rid of the swirls ?

The brakes feel very wooden. Can i do anything to improve the feel N bite ?

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Hi there, the actual way of getting rid of the swirls is by proper polishing job. FYI, waxing's main purpose is to create a sacrificial layer for the paintwork, so that it'll temporarily protects from environmental damages. As time goes by, the sacrificial layer will get thinner and eventually wears off. I'm pretty sure that most ppl out there will mention that waxing can cure this prob that prob and bla bla....but you'll have to know that these sort of waxes contain fillers & some cleaning abrasives. Thus, you'll often see ppl mentioning that swirl marks re-appears after a couple of car washes (provided they used the proper technique & tools of washing a car) which is mainly due to the worn out fillers. Thus, a regular waxing session is a good way to take care of your paintwork. smile.gif

Back to the proper polishing job, the polisher should have the knowledge of understanding the characteristics of paint job as well as the combo of products to be used for tackling the swirls. Which of course, they are many ppl out there in the market are using the polish fillers (it is part of the polishing chemical; but contains a filling agent which aids to produce flawless finish at initial stage). There are also some reputable detailers / polishers whom has the proper way of dealing the swirls too. Goodluck in finding a reputable detailer !!

Should you have any doubts / inquiries, feel free to drop me a PM. smile.gif

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post May 20 2012, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 20 2012, 10:12 AM)
At my place don't have Esso/Caltex.. Hehe I drive slowly.. Only few times change to N..  Always drive around 2k rpm.. Slow acceleration..

Before this I'm driving fast and too many times change to N.. Don't even care about rpm.. Fast acceleration..
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Need to see how you actually drive before I can comment. Now I keep at 2k even during acceleration, very noticable improvement in FC, my city drive at regular 80-90kmh stretches with the occasional congestion is almost as good, if not better than my highway FC at 120kmh.

Other factors like the traffic condition and road condition also have to be taken into account, one driving style is not always suitable for all conditions.

OR, wait for your FC to improve as your engine "matures".

Actually, I see in your fuelly you get the occasional 11km/l is quite good compare to mine before the first service.

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