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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 22 2012, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 22 2012, 10:48 AM)
Think again though imagine if he was only a small partner/investor in FSG while Roma is of his own property, he invested a sum of money in FSG, FSG in turn buys Liverpool but the club does not belong to him or any other partners because legally FSG is considered to be another entity (a person). Depending on how much he invested in the investment group he will get an annual return for his investments whereas at Roma, his Dibenedetto group that purchased the club consists of other investors as well but he is the largest shareholder and also the current president of the club.

So if it were you, would you have a better manager at a club you have more shares in (Roma) or less (Liverpool)? Maybe he saw some negatives of AVB and decided not to go with him.
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I'm not one to advocate conspiracy bu how much is the exact return of his investment in FSG ? Because FSG do not only own Liverpool, it has others sports ventures i.e. Red Sox, Nascar, cable tv etc. Perhaps the current earning (or the potential earnings should Liverpool become FSG cashcow), is substantial enough for him to prioritize Liverpool over his own club.


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post May 22 2012, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 22 2012, 11:33 AM)
if you were Dibenedetto would you want to piss off fellow shareholders and chairman?

there is no reason why avb wouldn't do well at roma.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 11:34 AM)
I'm not one to advocate conspiracy bu how much is the exact return of his investment in FSG ? Because FSG do not only own Liverpool, it has others sports ventures i.e. Red Sox, Nascar, cable tv etc. Perhaps the current earning (or the potential earnings should Liverpool become FSG cashcow), is substantial enough for him to prioritize Liverpool over his own club.
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Well DiBenedetto AS Roma LLC owns 67% of Roma whilst we don't know how much stake he has in FSG but I think its safe to assume that he doesn't have as big a stake compared to that of what he has at Roma because FSG is controlled mainly by John Henry (principal owner) and Thomas Werner (chairman) along with more than 15 stakeholders as compared to DiBenedetto AS Roma LLC's 4 stakeholders.

If you claim that DiBenedetto would piss off his other partners at FSG just because he is trying to employ AVB, are you implying that his FSG partners would threaten him into not signing AVB? If so then I have serious questions about their integrity.

But yes of course its subjected to debate as we are not the ones behind the scene but this is what he said that could shed some light on which club he would prioritize more...
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“Being Italian-American and growing up with a father who loved all things Italian helped me," DiBenedetto said.  “When my partners at the Fenway Sports Group purchased Liverpool, I decided to go out on my own. When the opportunity came up with Roma, I knew it was my time and I knew it was the chance for us.”
Another interesting point is that UEFA rules states that "No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a Uefa club competition". This is defined as "holding a majority of the shareholders' voting rights" or "being able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club". Judging from this, he obviously has a major stake in Roma so I guess he does not have any decisive influence in FSG. Just my own interpretation on this matter, both clubs have yet to qualify for the same european competition so I'm not exactly sure what would happen.

Roma too tried to implement a Barca system by hiring Luis Enrique but it failed and ended up appointing a former player who bleeds Roma. On the other hand, we sacked Kenny who bleeds Liverpool and possibly trying to emulate Barca's structure? Would DiBenedetto's experiment at Roma have any influence on FSG's decisions with Liverpool?

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post May 22 2012, 12:46 PM

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SO, if we brace it... that AVB is coming, how would you guys think? Actually, I've a personal preference, why not martin o neill? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cksoon @ May 22 2012, 12:46 PM)
SO, if we brace it... that AVB is coming, how would you guys think? Actually, I've a personal preference, why not martin o neill? tongue.gif
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I actually rate him quite highly for what he had done at Villa, wanted him to replace Rafa instead of Woy at the time and right now he is doing quite a decent job at Sunderland. But he might still hold a grudge against us when Rafa tried to "tap" Barry away from Villa cheaply, not sure if its against us or just Rafa.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 22 2012, 12:54 PM)
I actually rate him quite highly for what he had done at Villa, wanted him to replace Rafa instead of Woy at the time and right now he is doing quite a decent job at Sunderland. But he might still hold a grudge against us when Rafa tried to "tap" Barry away from Villa cheaply, not sure if its against us or just Rafa.
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I think he would suit us well. Rebuilding the squad with backing from current owners, I think it will be great with him. Not forgetting he did not work with big budget and yet get results. And when he does get results, I think it's fair to back him up with good transfer kitty so that he can build for further greatness
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post May 22 2012, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 22 2012, 12:42 PM)
Well DiBenedetto AS Roma LLC owns 67% of Roma whilst we don't know how much stake he has in FSG but I think its safe to assume that he doesn't have as big a stake compared to that of what he has at Roma because FSG is controlled mainly by John Henry (principal owner) and Thomas Werner (chairman) along with more than 15 stakeholders as compared to DiBenedetto AS Roma LLC's 4 stakeholders.

If you claim that DiBenedetto would piss off his other partners at FSG just because he is trying to employ AVB, are you implying that his FSG partners would threaten him into not signing AVB? If so then I have serious questions about their integrity.

But yes of course its subjected to debate as we are not the ones behind the scene but this is what he said that could shed some light on which club he would prioritize more...
Another interesting point is that UEFA rules states that "No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a Uefa club competition". This is defined as "holding a majority of the shareholders' voting rights" or "being able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club". Judging from this, he obviously has a major stake in Roma so I guess he does not have any decisive influence in FSG. Just my own interpretation on this matter, both clubs have yet to qualify for the same european competition so I'm not exactly sure what would happen.

Roma too tried to implement a Barca system by hiring Luis Enrique but it failed and ended up appointing a former player who bleeds Roma. On the other hand, we sacked Kenny who bleeds Liverpool and possibly trying to emulate Barca's structure? Would DiBenedetto's experiment at Roma have any influence on FSG's decisions with Liverpool?
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No i'm not implying that FSG are pressuring DiBenedetto, but now that you mentioned it, it does seem probable tho unlikely. My speculation was based on corporate greed - and that DiBenedetto saw it at his best interest in the long run that Liverpool get their man. But yea it's all speculation as we don;t know the ins and outs of DiBenedetto and his stake in FSG. But who knows, may be there are side deals going on behind the scene. Or perhaps it's simply nothing and that the appointment of Montella was strictly a football decision.

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post May 22 2012, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(cksoon @ May 22 2012, 12:46 PM)
SO, if we brace it... that AVB is coming, how would you guys think? Actually, I've a personal preference, why not martin o neill? tongue.gif
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No thanks.Martin O neill is another known admirer of british players.

not sure if liverpool fans can tolerate another few transfer windows of that nonsense.

read this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...own-talent.html and take a look at aston villa now.

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post May 22 2012, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(cksoon @ May 22 2012, 12:46 PM)
SO, if we brace it... that AVB is coming, how would you guys think? Actually, I've a personal preference, why not martin o neill? tongue.gif
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Martin O'neill??..I'd rather we have Houllier..same style of play and boring as hell! shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ May 22 2012, 01:38 PM)
Martin O'neill??..I'd rather we have Houllier..same style of play and boring as hell! shakehead.gif
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yup.at least houllier won something.martin o neill is terribly overrated.
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post May 22 2012, 01:51 PM

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You guys speak as if he want the job. Give him a break. He might just snubbed us like the rest... That would be a sucker punch. lol
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 01:17 PM)
No i'm not implying that FSG are pressuring DiBenedetto, but now that you mentioned it, it does seem probable tho unlikely. My speculation was based on corporate greed - and that DiBenedetto saw it at his best interest in the long run that Liverpool get their man. But yea it's all speculation as we don;t know the ins and outs of DiBenedetto and his stake in FSG. But who knows, may be there are side deals going on behind the scene. Or perhaps it's simply nothing and that the appointment of Montella was strictly a football decision.
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FSG own liverpool, if liverpool is making money then Dibenedetto is getting his share as well, as for roma giving up AVB to liverpool, we might never know the truth, that would depends on the relationship they both have, and money might be involved for DiBenedetto to let AVB go..you just might never know. and if they see something not right about AVB im sure Dibenedetto would inform Henry as well.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 22 2012, 01:51 PM)
You guys speak as if he want the job. Give him a break. He might just snubbed us like the rest... That would be a sucker punch. lol
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It's just that before Valencia appointed Pallegrino, they said they approached AVB but he apparently had taken another job. That job was thought to be Roma and news in Portugal confirmed it as much. But now Roma have appointed Montella, so the plot thickens.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 02:10 PM)
It's just that before Valencia appointed Pallegrino, they said they approached AVB but he apparently had taken another job. That job was thought to be Roma and news in Portugal confirmed it as much. But now Roma have appointed Montella, so the plot thickens.
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I was referring to Martin O Neil actually... lol
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post May 22 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 22 2012, 02:28 PM)
I was referring to Martin O Neil actually... lol
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hahaha that was funny.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 02:55 PM)
hahaha that was funny.
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Seriously, what was the point of bashing someone who is not coming to us at all? Plus, I rate him quite highly actually...So... haha...
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post May 22 2012, 03:16 PM

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Really sols ? I've no comment about Martin because my opinion of him is the less said about him the better haha.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 03:16 PM)
Really sols ? I've no comment about Martin because my opinion of him is the less said about him the better haha.
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My bad... I confused you. I was referring to those bashing him. Meant no offense... biggrin.gif
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So much arrogance here.
We cant choose our managers anymore guys. Be realistic. Just hope FSG knows wut their doing.
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*Sigh* Martin O'Neill, Brendan Rodgers, Roberto Matinez... might as well throw out a few more names along the line:

Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis, Paul Lambert, David Moyes... heck, we should consider Big Sam and Steve Bruce too!
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