Kenny won the PL with a Alan Shearer led Blackburn team in the 94-95 season...but we can now add Mancini to that list

Personally I think the dismissal of Kenny is justified. Had Hodgson spent 100mil and ended up in 8th place he would've been slated by fans. Kenny claims that his Liverpool team plays great football but only lacking in the finishing department, I somewhat disagree. It's pretty obvious that all this team can do is pass around in our own half pretending we are Barcelona whilst lacking creativity and flair in the final 3rd. Its true that we have been rather unlucky this season with all the shots hitting the post but that's not an excuse, his should have made signing a true out and out goal poaching striker a priority to compete with Suarez and Carroll. Splashing 20mil on Downing and 16mil on Henderson were horrendous decisions. 20mil for a player who didn't make an assist or scored a goal, when he was signed Kenny openly praised his high cross completion rate expecting him to create goal scoring opportunities from the wing for Andy Carroll. But he failed to realize that Downing has no pace and dribbling ability whatsoever to be effective from the wing, how do you expect someone to make plays from the wing when he can't dribble past even one defender. All I saw from him was standing around on the wing waiting for a pass and when he has the ball he passes it away because he can't find a way past the defender marking him. The signing of Henderson is somewhat more understandable because he is young and has the potential to succeed in the future. I'm not saying these players are bad players but at that price I'm pretty sure Kenny could've signed some foreign players that are cheaper and much better than those two.

Don't think reappointing Rafa is the right choice as well, thanks for his CL win but he won it with Houllier's team except for a few. He made some really poor signings at first but he finally got it right eventually and we came close to a title before his outburst at Fergie, maybe not entirely Rafa's fault we failed at the end but the beginning of the meltdown was when he wanted to get rid of Alonso for Barry. This decision baffled probably everyone who follows english football. Also to be honest under Rafa, we played some really boring football that's based on defense and closing down opponents forcing them into mistakes instead of focusing on creating our own chances. The tactical genius he is he often chooses certain tactics and players to counter our opponent's threats even at home games against lesser teams, why worry about them, why not attack and make them worry about us? I still miss Xabi very much

Roberto Martinez, poor choice! Wigan has been in the PL for 7 years, prior to Martinez's appointment they finished in 11th place under Steve Bruce, after his appointment it was relegation battle year after year showing no improvement whatsoever. Yes he had to operate under a tighter budget than it was for Bruce but look at Everton, Everton have one of the tightest budgets in the PL and they finished ahead of us this season (depressing!) Even newly promoted Norwich and Swansea who were tight on budget and lacking top flight experience did better than Martinez's Wigan.

Pep and Mourinho are nothing but fantasy for us when even Brendan Rodgers rejected our advances. Latest rumour is Michael Laudrup, not sure about him though, he has had some success with Getafe playing attacking football a few seasons back if I remembered right. Personally at this moment our best choice would probably be AVB. A protege of Sir Bobby Robson along with Mourinho, worked with Mourinho's championship winning team at Chelsea, had considerable success at Porto, plays free flowing attacking football, young and hungry, and most importantly he will want payback for what he received at Chelsea. Unlike Chelsea where there's a bunch of old guards who were resisting changes he was trying to implement, Liverpool are a club in transition and would be more willing to learn and revive the club together, player and manager. If FSG are willing to give him time to make his mark unlike Mr. Roman Impatient Abramovich, he would have more chance for succeeding with us than Chelsea.

YNWA

tl;dr = No Martinez, Yes AVB

I wasn't trying to say Rafa doesn't deserve the credit, in fact I think he deserves it and I thank him for it. My point is when he was given a chance to build his team, he finally made it and came close to success but due to his poor man management skills, his near title winning team broke apart of his own makings. That's all I'm trying to say.

Like I said I give Rafa credit for what he managed to achieve and I did say the rant wasn't exactly why we failed in the end and it wasn't entirely Rafa's fault we failed. The BUT here is what could have happened had he not indirectly forced the irreplaceable Alonso out of the club for Barry, strengthen even more during the off season and finally get the holy grail? And in my opinion, pressing =/= attacking football, we resort to pressing because of our overall incompetence in passing and close control that leads to losing the ball often but yes this is only my personal opinion and is subjected to debate so this isn't exactly the point I was trying to make, it was the Barry for Alonso incident. Well Rafa had his chance, so maybe someone else?

Yes Kenny was viewed only as a short term solution to stabilize the club, but it is understandable why FSG wants a change following 100mil spent and 8th place finish where Everton who spent much less finished above us. Important point here is Kenny wasn't FSG's first choice and will never be given time to perform.

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 20 2012, 03:00 AM

1. We were a club in turmoil and no one better to stabilize the ship than the legend, a successful 2nd half of his first season back in charge had fans pressure FSG into appointing Kenny to a permanent role.

2. Let's not forget a huge chunk of the 100mil came from Mr. Abramovich, so FSG didn't actually fork out that big a sum of money out of their pockets.

3. The instruction was to sign young players with potential and will have decent sell on fee in the future. It means that even if a new manager was to come in, these young players can either contribute if the new manager likes them or be sold on for a decent fee if he doesn't.

4. Kenny was dismissed almost as soon as the season ended proving FSG's lack of confidence in him to lead the club forward. Some said it was because of the Suarez saga but I doubt that alone is a good enough reason to dismiss the legend. Didn't we have some sort of a director of communications? Was it because of the Suarez saga that led to his dismissal?

Well coming back from 3-0 down wasn't actually attacking football, it was 6 mins of madness and we had to survive an onslaught after that.

Beating big teams doesn't signify attractive football, for example beating Barca, Rafa was in especially given credit for deploying Arbeloa at left back nullifying Messi, same goes to Juve I still remember that awesome Garcia goal in the 1st leg to this day but the 2nd leg was just defending all the way. Do anyone still remember one game we had against Arsenal in which we trashed them but I forgot what the score is...I think it was during the 08-09 season. That game for example shows how good Rafa is tactically, his tactics are almost always based on hard working players closing down opponents to nullify their threat, forcing them into mistakes that leads to goal scoring opportunities. You can say its counter attacking football at its best but definitely not attractive and creative when compared to Arse or Manure.

Not saying we never had any attacking performances under Rafa, its just that he is often very cautious with his approach. Tactical genius but more defensive than offensive.

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 20 2012, 03:54 AM

Like I said a tactical genius who implements not attractive but effective football. But Barry is not and never will be anywhere as good as Xabi Alonso. Likewise Xabi had just won the La Liga from the grasp of Barca.


Why would they join a non-CL team

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 20 2012, 04:10 AM

And yet they still end up with a 3rd place finish after a disastrous start to the season and still consistently competing for top 4. Doesn't really matter anyway, rumours have it Rafa isn't anywhere near the top of FSG's wanted list.

oh oh oh ze germansssss mullerrrrrrr

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 20 2012, 04:26 AM

So I guess you agree with Rafa's decision of replacing Alonso with Barry which I think is his biggest mistake with us. Went from 2nd place to 7th place the following season after Xabi's departure. That's the only complaint I have for Rafa.

oh wow drogba hero to zero?

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Added on May 20, 2012, 4:47 amnot! LOL cech the hero!

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 20 2012, 04:47 AM

I guess in a way it was H&G's fault because Rafa actually planned to sell Alonso to fund for Barry during the January window that led to Xabi wanting out at the end of the season.

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Added on May 20, 2012, 4:55 amI want Bayern to win though, injustice to Spurs if Chelsea wins and I love watching Abramovich's sad face

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 20 2012, 04:55 AM

Mario Gomez has been too wasteful...might come back to haunt them. Thought they parked the bus too early subbing in van buyten for muller.

Dejavu like you said, have a feeling Chelsea will finally win it through a shootout without Mr. Terry there to screw them over this time

LOL NEUER 1-0 CECH

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Added on May 20, 2012, 5:30 amoh damn sucks to be a spurs

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europa i think

Andre Villas-Boas will this weekend be interviewed for the vacant managerial post at Liverpool.

Villas-Boas, who has been out of work since losing the Chelsea job in March, fits the criteria of the Liverpool owners as they target a young coach who can remain in the job long-term. Wigan manager Roberto Martinez, 38, also remains in the frame for the post.

and that is why all i'm hoping for liv now is challenge for the top 4 spot consistently

yup and i read somewhere dave whelan is advising martinez to go to villa and martinez is in fact leaning against villa

pretty sure it wont be capello though...not the young manager they want

Wigan Athletic chairman Dave Whelan has warned Roberto Martinez against taking the Liverpool job, suggesting that the Reds "don't know what they are doing".

Whelan confirmed on Thursday that he has granted Martinez permission to speak with Liverpool, who are seeking a successor to sacked manager Kenny Dalglish.

The Reds' shortlist for a new boss is said to be extensive - as many as ten names in the frame - and among those targets was Swansea City coach Brendan Rodgers.

But Rodgers has rebuffed Liverpool's advances as he is settled at the Liberty Stadium, and Whelan feels the Ulsterman's actions should serve as a warning to Martinez.

He told ESPN: "When Liverpool asked for Wigan's permission to speak to Roberto, it was willingly given, and you would have thought they wanted him for the job. But now it transpires they are looking at quite a few possibilities.

"The fact that Brendan Rodgers has opted out after they approached Swansea should get Roberto thinking he might be better off at Wigan. There is a suspicion that Liverpool don't know what they are doing, certainly it is clear now they don't know who they want as manager."

EDIT: Wigan Athletic boss Roberto Martinez is leaning towards taking the Aston Villa job over Liverpool.

The Daily Mail says Villa have also approached Martinez about their managerial vacancy and held talks on Thursday - the same day Wigan chairman Dave Whelan gave him permission too also speak with Liverpool.

The discussions were positive, to the point Martinez is giving serious consideration to succeeding Alex McLeish rather than leaping into the highly-scrutinised role at Anfield.

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 20 2012, 05:47 AM